If you are interviewing for HC jobs shouldn’t you have the staff you want in mind, for the most part, before you even take the job? Why not swiftly put together your desired staff unless you can’t get the guys you want... or maybe that just isn’t how it works at all... just seems like, for example, Rhule knew he wanted to make the jump to NFL HC, had the staff he wanted to bring with him in mind... and he got it done, anything else leaves room for me to believe they are only doing the best they can instead of getting the guys they really do want.
He did great with Dak, Zeke and Witten and I think our own trio of DJ, Saquon and Engram is not too shabby.
But the single most important thing to me is, he was in the Dallas draft room when they drafted 3 all pro OL in Tyron, Travis and Zack. He knows what a good OL prospect looks like and we need help identifying them!
If you are interviewing for HC jobs shouldn’t you have the staff you want in mind, for the most part, before you even take the job? Why not swiftly put together your desired staff unless you can’t get the guys you want... or maybe that just isn’t how it works at all... just seems like, for example, Rhule knew he wanted to make the jump to NFL HC, had the staff he wanted to bring with him in mind... and he got it done, anything else leaves room for me to believe they are only doing the best they can instead of getting the guys they really do want.
Outside of 2 coordinators and a DL coach, 1 of whom coached with Rhule at Baylor, who has Carolina hired?
I tend to except that HC candidates come to the table with assistants already lined up. So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.
he has this thought out. The process doesn't happen in a vacuum, time doesn't stand still while he interviews and reflects. There are other teams that can grab the people he might want while he's contemplating his options. Time will tell.
Other than Shula and Garrett. So, I’m wondering maybe tomorrow morning news comes out which one of the two he is hiring?
Assuming he hasn’t talked with anyone else, that would disappoint me because why not talk to as many qualified people out there? Like Gruden.
It is possible he wants to interview an OC from one of the 4 remaining teams but wouldn’t he also have to make them an assistant HC too, otherwise it would be a lateral move?
I predict tomorrow we will know! Tonight Judge is talking this over with Giant management and pondering it all while he sleeps. Tomorrow morning he wakes up with the answer.....
get it as right as he can in his first go around ... Rivera had a couple of weeks head start and just finalized his staff mostly from Carolina this week. McCarthy had a year with nothing else to do and went with familiar guys.
Rhule has hired a bunch of unproven college guys ... I’m good.
Other than Shula and Garrett. So, I’m wondering maybe tomorrow morning news comes out which one of the two he is hiring?
Assuming he hasn’t talked with anyone else, that would disappoint me because why not talk to as many qualified people out there? Like Gruden.
It is possible he wants to interview an OC from one of the 4 remaining teams but wouldn’t he also have to make them an assistant HC too, otherwise it would be a lateral move?
I predict tomorrow we will know! Tonight Judge is talking this over with Giant management and pondering it all while he sleeps. Tomorrow morning he wakes up with the answer.....
The rules changed. Asst Head Coach does not mean anything. It would be considered a lateral move by the NFL for any existing OC.
If you are interviewing for HC jobs shouldn’t you have the staff you want in mind, for the most part, before you even take the job? Why not swiftly put together your desired staff unless you can’t get the guys you want... or maybe that just isn’t how it works at all... just seems like, for example, Rhule knew he wanted to make the jump to NFL HC, had the staff he wanted to bring with him in mind... and he got it done, anything else leaves room for me to believe they are only doing the best they can instead of getting the guys they really do want.
rhule's OC and DC were college guys. of course he got them sooner.
a playoff loss, a loss that he prepped all week for - he wasn’t reaching out to potential staff, IMO.
Some of his staff has already been hired as well. OC there seems to be a bunch more candidates for so he’s taking his time and going through it. It’s strange to think that he chose his DC but someone Gettelman is forcing the OC on him?
If you are interviewing for HC jobs shouldn’t you have the staff you want in mind, for the most part, before you even take the job? Why not swiftly put together your desired staff unless you can’t get the guys you want... or maybe that just isn’t how it works at all... just seems like, for example, Rhule knew he wanted to make the jump to NFL HC, had the staff he wanted to bring with him in mind... and he got it done, anything else leaves room for me to believe they are only doing the best they can instead of getting the guys they really do want.
Outside of 2 coordinators and a DL coach, 1 of whom coached with Rhule at Baylor, who has Carolina hired?
He got his top picks at offensive and defensive coordinator, thats not debatable and Joe Brady was hands down easily the hottest coordinator in all of college football... when you move like that I say “he got his guys”... when you take your time and pick from what’s left afterwards you leave room for people to be unsure if you got your top choices is all I was saying
If you are interviewing for HC jobs shouldn’t you have the staff you want in mind, for the most part, before you even take the job? Why not swiftly put together your desired staff unless you can’t get the guys you want... or maybe that just isn’t how it works at all... just seems like, for example, Rhule knew he wanted to make the jump to NFL HC, had the staff he wanted to bring with him in mind... and he got it done, anything else leaves room for me to believe they are only doing the best they can instead of getting the guys they really do want.
rhule's OC and DC were college guys. of course he got them sooner.
Ok I see our point. But still, Joe Brady was sought after by a handful of NFL Head Coaches including a couple of guys looking to be a NFL H/C for the first time... fact is Rhule got him. Teppers checkbook could be a factor as well...
...... So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.
Where does this shit come from?
Just a point that's been discussed on the board plus the fact that Garrett's been rumored to be a fav of the owners and has now been interviewed.
Garrett was a backup QB on the Giants, so they may like him.
And, well since the team needs an OC, it would make sense to interview probably the best one on the market. I do not know that he is the owners fav or not.
Im thrilled to hear Callahan's name tossed around Â
Definitely. I thought both McaAdoo and Shurmur rushed the staff hiring process and the results suffered. The frenzy instinct is understandable but it's born from panic.
There are literally thousands of football coaches in the NFL and major colleges to consider. I'm not advocating interviewing them all but doing true due diligence on the ones you may have good intel on makes sense.
I’m much more comfortable in general about the Giants Â
I think we finally found a HC that will steer this thing in the right direction. At the very least I think nyg’s days of sucking balls are coming to an end. Everything about judge is uplifting.
I think they were waiting for JGs contract to officially be up and i think its clear JG and the giants is a great match. hopefully JJ like him today because i think JG as OC is a solid move for us
Mara has a big say in who gets hired as assistants. He might not be forcing anyone on Judge but that doesn't mean he is out of the process.
So, I think part of the reason he is taking his time is that Mara and DG have to be on board, especially with the coordinators. And in Garrett's case, it might be about Judge making sure he is OK with the hire. Both Mara and DG are quite familiar with Jason
My comfort level is not a factor. I'd rather have the right guy later than the wrong guy sooner.
I will NEVER get this we're all in this together delusional bullshit. All the fucking fan hand-wringing over stuff we have absolutely no control over.
It's like saying, "Gee, I really wish my Diet Coke can was orange and black instead of red and white. And I sure hope they change that can from 12 ounces to 14 ounces. And I'm gonna stay up and night, losing sleep obsessing over it, and call into Diet Coke Can Kickoff, and bitch and wring my hands over what isn't, who's running the company, and how badly. And I'll be really upset if they don't change the color and size of the can. How can they not?" But come September, if you've decided to still drink Diet Coke from a can, it'll still be a red and white, 12 oz can.
The only impact you can have as a fan is to not buy tickets. Empty seats are the ONLY thing Maras ever notice that causes changes to happen.
But as for who and what WE want? And what WE think is right? Even when the fans end up being right and the Giants wrong. WE (fans) aren't THEY (the team), and THEY aren't WE.
So I don't give a flying F who Joe Judge hires and how long it takes as long as HE knows what he wants, and has conviction in who he hires. Take your time and get it RIGHT for how YOU want to coach. Not for what I or any fan think looks like a good hire on paper.
I'd rather have a kick-ass no-name than an ineffective, big name retread, any day.
I'm confident that Judge is making the choices that are right for him (and that no one is being forces on him). Whether it happens fast or slow is a matter of the specific circumstances for each candidate.
a couple guys who had jobs. You cant pry everyone away from their current team but at least he was looking for his ideal hires not settling right off the back. of course he worked with both of them so it is somewhat backhanded as a limited search but take your shots.
...... So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.
Where does this shit come from?
When someone has a preconceived notion, Giants way is antiquated and doesn’t work, ..... it slants their view, even when this entire hiring process has been anything but what the doomsayers stated would happen in regard to the coaching search, before the fact.
hires were rushed too. Not saying they wont be good, and i would have been fine with either. But i dont remember seeing this much panic after an offseason to hire a HC
Mara has a big say in who gets hired as assistants. He might not be forcing anyone on Judge but that doesn't mean he is out of the process.
So, I think part of the reason he is taking his time is that Mara and DG have to be on board, especially with the coordinators. And in Garrett's case, it might be about Judge making sure he is OK with the hire. Both Mara and DG are quite familiar with Jason
If we're being honest, I think you're making stuff up here.
Mara has a big say in who gets hired as assistants. He might not be forcing anyone on Judge but that doesn't mean he is out of the process.
So, I think part of the reason he is taking his time is that Mara and DG have to be on board, especially with the coordinators. And in Garrett's case, it might be about Judge making sure he is OK with the hire. Both Mara and DG are quite familiar with Jason
Haven't there been a number of references that directly refutes this notion about ownership recommending or signing off on assistants?
What has been alluded to in the past is ownership stepping in to recommend (or demand) that assistants be fired but for the majority of the time, the ability to choose the assistants has been given to the coaching staff
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Seem overwhelming to me, thus it is difficult to relate to anything they do and formulate a strong opinion.
What impressed me about Judge was he came across as someone detailed oriented to the point on a weekly basis will develop ways to exploit another teams weaknesses by putting his players into position to utilize their abilities. This is preferable to being married to a system which is something we have seen with the Giants for a while now.
How long he is taking to hire his staff I believe is a reflection of his attention to detail, seems like a good thing to me.
So far, I like what I see from Judge, but it'll take at least ½ a Â
Could be a lot of things: he may not know a whole lot of people he could call on, you don't know who has said "no thanks", he needs to check around because he doesn't have a pool to draw on, Mara and Gettlemen are nattering in his ear with "suggestions", no one has any idea.
As for Garrett, that could be a bad situation if he doesn't decide to play nice in the sandbox or if things turn sour and players start looking to the one guy in the room who knows the HC business. I think it is asking for trouble.
He has experience working for the Jones’. What does that mean? Did he pick players, coaches etc. I think other than experience he is an unknown because of where he worked. Cowboy fans hated him for a number of reasons. Some valid and some not.
I am sure Mara wants him for none of the right reasons.
Could be a lot of things: he may not know a whole lot of people he could call on, you don't know who has said "no thanks", he needs to check around because he doesn't have a pool to draw on, Mara and Gettlemen are nattering in his ear with "suggestions", no one has any idea.
As for Garrett, that could be a bad situation if he doesn't decide to play nice in the sandbox or if things turn sour and players start looking to the one guy in the room who knows the HC business. I think it is asking for trouble.
I love your post. It defines your position on almost everything Giants. Everything negative with all the talking points checked off - Gettleman, people bailing, doesn't know anyone, and of course Garrett would "not play well in the sandbox." A guy that just put up with Jerry for years, was dragged through the mud before being fired and who presumably will look to get back to HC is going to undermine Judge. So if he doesn't play well in the sandbox some team is going to hire him? You think that word won't get out that Garrett had done something to destroy a team? Besides the point that that would be out of his character, what would he accomplish be undermining Judge?
I think that refutes the argument that people are being pushed on him. He even asked for permission to interview Daboll for OC, and Garrett and Judge talked without a deal being done yet. To me that says that this is a true interview, rather than a hire foisted upon Judge by management.
Imo, Judge wants guys that share his philosophy. That's why I don't think that Joe Brady was ever a target for him. He wants a balanced attack that punches teams in the nose all game. I saw Brady's talent as being primarily in the passing game. (I could be wrong about that, but that wouldn't be a shock.)
But the single most important thing to me is, he was in the Dallas draft room when they drafted 3 all pro OL in Tyron, Travis and Zack. He knows what a good OL prospect looks like and we need help identifying them!
Outside of 2 coordinators and a DL coach, 1 of whom coached with Rhule at Baylor, who has Carolina hired?
Where does this shit come from?
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...... So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.
Where does this shit come from?
Just a point that's been discussed on the board plus the fact that Garrett's been rumored to be a fav of the owners and has now been interviewed.
Assuming he hasn’t talked with anyone else, that would disappoint me because why not talk to as many qualified people out there? Like Gruden.
It is possible he wants to interview an OC from one of the 4 remaining teams but wouldn’t he also have to make them an assistant HC too, otherwise it would be a lateral move?
I predict tomorrow we will know! Tonight Judge is talking this over with Giant management and pondering it all while he sleeps. Tomorrow morning he wakes up with the answer.....
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...... So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.
Where does this shit come from?
Just a point that's been discussed on the board plus the fact that Garrett's been rumored to be a fav of the owners and has now been interviewed.
Garrett was also on Nick Saban’s staff in Miami
Rhule has hired a bunch of unproven college guys ... I’m good.
Assuming he hasn’t talked with anyone else, that would disappoint me because why not talk to as many qualified people out there? Like Gruden.
It is possible he wants to interview an OC from one of the 4 remaining teams but wouldn’t he also have to make them an assistant HC too, otherwise it would be a lateral move?
I predict tomorrow we will know! Tonight Judge is talking this over with Giant management and pondering it all while he sleeps. Tomorrow morning he wakes up with the answer.....
The rules changed. Asst Head Coach does not mean anything. It would be considered a lateral move by the NFL for any existing OC.
rhule's OC and DC were college guys. of course he got them sooner.
Some of his staff has already been hired as well. OC there seems to be a bunch more candidates for so he’s taking his time and going through it. It’s strange to think that he chose his DC but someone Gettelman is forcing the OC on him?
Doesn’t make sense.
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If you are interviewing for HC jobs shouldn’t you have the staff you want in mind, for the most part, before you even take the job? Why not swiftly put together your desired staff unless you can’t get the guys you want... or maybe that just isn’t how it works at all... just seems like, for example, Rhule knew he wanted to make the jump to NFL HC, had the staff he wanted to bring with him in mind... and he got it done, anything else leaves room for me to believe they are only doing the best they can instead of getting the guys they really do want.
Outside of 2 coordinators and a DL coach, 1 of whom coached with Rhule at Baylor, who has Carolina hired?
He got his top picks at offensive and defensive coordinator, thats not debatable and Joe Brady was hands down easily the hottest coordinator in all of college football... when you move like that I say “he got his guys”... when you take your time and pick from what’s left afterwards you leave room for people to be unsure if you got your top choices is all I was saying
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If you are interviewing for HC jobs shouldn’t you have the staff you want in mind, for the most part, before you even take the job? Why not swiftly put together your desired staff unless you can’t get the guys you want... or maybe that just isn’t how it works at all... just seems like, for example, Rhule knew he wanted to make the jump to NFL HC, had the staff he wanted to bring with him in mind... and he got it done, anything else leaves room for me to believe they are only doing the best they can instead of getting the guys they really do want.
rhule's OC and DC were college guys. of course he got them sooner.
Ok I see our point. But still, Joe Brady was sought after by a handful of NFL Head Coaches including a couple of guys looking to be a NFL H/C for the first time... fact is Rhule got him. Teppers checkbook could be a factor as well...
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...... So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.
Where does this shit come from?
Just a point that's been discussed on the board plus the fact that Garrett's been rumored to be a fav of the owners and has now been interviewed.
Garrett was a backup QB on the Giants, so they may like him.
And, well since the team needs an OC, it would make sense to interview probably the best one on the market. I do not know that he is the owners fav or not.
He seems to have subtle confidence...Like the guy that can sum up a conversation with the perfect example or story.
Reserve but knows the ropes...
There are literally thousands of football coaches in the NFL and major colleges to consider. I'm not advocating interviewing them all but doing true due diligence on the ones you may have good intel on makes sense.
It kind of concerns me it hasn’t come together faster.
I like Judge though, so I hope it works out.
So, I think part of the reason he is taking his time is that Mara and DG have to be on board, especially with the coordinators. And in Garrett's case, it might be about Judge making sure he is OK with the hire. Both Mara and DG are quite familiar with Jason
I will NEVER get this we're all in this together delusional bullshit. All the fucking fan hand-wringing over stuff we have absolutely no control over.
It's like saying, "Gee, I really wish my Diet Coke can was orange and black instead of red and white. And I sure hope they change that can from 12 ounces to 14 ounces. And I'm gonna stay up and night, losing sleep obsessing over it, and call into Diet Coke Can Kickoff, and bitch and wring my hands over what isn't, who's running the company, and how badly. And I'll be really upset if they don't change the color and size of the can. How can they not?" But come September, if you've decided to still drink Diet Coke from a can, it'll still be a red and white, 12 oz can.
The only impact you can have as a fan is to not buy tickets. Empty seats are the ONLY thing Maras ever notice that causes changes to happen.
But as for who and what WE want? And what WE think is right? Even when the fans end up being right and the Giants wrong. WE (fans) aren't THEY (the team), and THEY aren't WE.
So I don't give a flying F who Joe Judge hires and how long it takes as long as HE knows what he wants, and has conviction in who he hires. Take your time and get it RIGHT for how YOU want to coach. Not for what I or any fan think looks like a good hire on paper.
I'd rather have a kick-ass no-name than an ineffective, big name retread, any day.
I'm not concerned. He shouldn't settle...
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...... So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.
Where does this shit come from?
When someone has a preconceived notion, Giants way is antiquated and doesn’t work, ..... it slants their view, even when this entire hiring process has been anything but what the doomsayers stated would happen in regard to the coaching search, before the fact.
So, I think part of the reason he is taking his time is that Mara and DG have to be on board, especially with the coordinators. And in Garrett's case, it might be about Judge making sure he is OK with the hire. Both Mara and DG are quite familiar with Jason
If we're being honest, I think you're making stuff up here.
So, I think part of the reason he is taking his time is that Mara and DG have to be on board, especially with the coordinators. And in Garrett's case, it might be about Judge making sure he is OK with the hire. Both Mara and DG are quite familiar with Jason
Haven't there been a number of references that directly refutes this notion about ownership recommending or signing off on assistants?
What has been alluded to in the past is ownership stepping in to recommend (or demand) that assistants be fired but for the majority of the time, the ability to choose the assistants has been given to the coaching staff
What impressed me about Judge was he came across as someone detailed oriented to the point on a weekly basis will develop ways to exploit another teams weaknesses by putting his players into position to utilize their abilities. This is preferable to being married to a system which is something we have seen with the Giants for a while now.
How long he is taking to hire his staff I believe is a reflection of his attention to detail, seems like a good thing to me.
As for Garrett, that could be a bad situation if he doesn't decide to play nice in the sandbox or if things turn sour and players start looking to the one guy in the room who knows the HC business. I think it is asking for trouble.
I am sure Mara wants him for none of the right reasons.
As for Garrett, that could be a bad situation if he doesn't decide to play nice in the sandbox or if things turn sour and players start looking to the one guy in the room who knows the HC business. I think it is asking for trouble.
I love your post. It defines your position on almost everything Giants. Everything negative with all the talking points checked off - Gettleman, people bailing, doesn't know anyone, and of course Garrett would "not play well in the sandbox." A guy that just put up with Jerry for years, was dragged through the mud before being fired and who presumably will look to get back to HC is going to undermine Judge. So if he doesn't play well in the sandbox some team is going to hire him? You think that word won't get out that Garrett had done something to destroy a team? Besides the point that that would be out of his character, what would he accomplish be undermining Judge?
Imo, Judge wants guys that share his philosophy. That's why I don't think that Joe Brady was ever a target for him. He wants a balanced attack that punches teams in the nose all game. I saw Brady's talent as being primarily in the passing game. (I could be wrong about that, but that wouldn't be a shock.)