FOX Sports: 2020 NFL Mock Draft 4.0

Already have a good young MLB in Jarrad Davis. They aren’t taking Simmons.

Or trade down

Trading up to get Tua. I’d think 3 would be the ideal spot for them to move up.

may challenge Young for first defender off the board

In comment 14781139 Ben in Tampa said:

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may challenge Young for first defender off the board

I doubt it. *******A lot.

In comment 14781133 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Already have a good young MLB in Jarrad Davis. They aren’t taking Simmons.

Jarrad Davis isn’t Devin White or Roquon Smith... I loved Davis coming out but he has underwhelmed in Detroit thus far AAANNNDD Simmons is so versatile he could easily play with a Devin White or Roquon Smith let alone a Jarrad Davis

Lattimore has been up and down but definitely more of a plus than a negative. What happened to the OSU corner the Raiders drafted in round 1 a few years ago? Anyway, is Okudah really the real deal...??? I heard about Jalen Ramsay years before he was draft eligible, but some speak of Okudah like he’s the next best corner coming out since Ramsay...

In comment 14781155 90.Cal said:

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In comment 14781133 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: Already have a good young MLB in Jarrad Davis. They aren’t taking Simmons. Jarrad Davis isn’t Devin White or Roquon Smith... I loved Davis coming out but he has underwhelmed in Detroit thus far AAANNNDD Simmons is so versatile he could easily play with a Devin White or Roquon Smith let alone a Jarrad Davis

Detroit has a ton of needs. Why would they take a Linebacker at 3?

way too many permutations possible. So they attempt to rank the talent and place them with their perceptions of need. This year with 7 of the top 14 teams potentially in the QB market it's unlikely only one goes in the Top 5. At minimum someone is going to try and jump Miami for their choice of the #2 QB on the board...or Miami will move pre-emptively to secure that player for themselves.

So the odds are the Giants will have four choices on the clock. Take Okudah/Simmons/OT of choice OR trade down.

Personally I don't see the 'value' in this class of OT's at #4 and I'd also prefer to acquire more draft assets. So I'd look to trade down.

But if Simmons is truly special... and I’m not sure about that either, I like him but... if he is truly special you don’t pass on that regardless of position. However, if I’m Detroit I’m looking at all defense as a smoke screen while I strongly, strongly, strongly consider Tua and these other QB’s. Should be able to fetch a high pick or picks for Stafford or keep him for another year while you wait on Tua to get healthy then look to move Matt Staff

In comment 14781164 90.Cal said:

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Lattimore has been up and down but definitely more of a plus than a negative. What happened to the OSU corner the Raiders drafted in round 1 a few years ago? Anyway, is Okudah really the real deal...??? I heard about Jalen Ramsay years before he was draft eligible, but some speak of Okudah like he’s the next best corner coming out since Ramsay...

I never understood that line of thinking. You'd hesitate on Okudah because of Apple? Lattimore has been much more up than down...either way, all you have to do is watch these guys play to see the difference. Okudah is on a different level than Apple. It's right there in plain sight.

In comment 14781133 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Already have a good young MLB in Jarrad Davis. They aren’t taking Simmons.

Two totally different players. I don't think the Lions will take Simmons, but I don't think Jarrad Davis would prevent them from taking him either. Jarrad Davis is strictly a MLB. Isaiah Simmons is a guy that can probably play at MLB. He can definitely play OLB. He's also going to play some Safety. He's going to line up on the edge and rush the passer. He's going to get put in the slot to cover TEs or go man to man on RBs.

Not the helmet they wear. Okudah is about 100 times better than Apple was coming out of college. There's no such thing as a sure thing, but Okudah is a true blue chip player. Ohio State has put out some good CBs these. Last few years including a guy who went 4th overall and Okudah is better than all of them as a prospect.

In comment 14781208 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 14781133 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: Already have a good young MLB in Jarrad Davis. They aren’t taking Simmons. Two totally different players. I don't think the Lions will take Simmons, but I don't think Jarrad Davis would prevent them from taking him either. Jarrad Davis is strictly a MLB. Isaiah Simmons is a guy that can probably play at MLB. He can definitely play OLB. He's also going to play some Safety. He's going to line up on the edge and rush the passer. He's going to get put in the slot to cover TEs or go man to man on RBs.

His athletic build and speed make him better suited for OLB, and with Patricia being a former DC before, it's certainly possible they could take him.

Don't project trades, but I'd be very surprised if Miami stayed put at 5. I totally expect them to move up to 2 or 3 to make sure they don't miss out on Tua. Especially with the news coming out that he's probably going to have a Pro Day or at least a throwing session for scouts prior to the draft. I guess the feedback he's getting from the Doctors has been really positive.

One more thing. I wouldn't pencil Chase Young in to the Redskins even if they stay put at 2. People did the same thing with Josh Allen last year and said there's no way he'd be available at 6. The Skins have used 3 straight first round picks on the DL. They picked Jonathan Allen at 17, Da'Ron Payne at 13 and Montez Sweat at 26. It's hard to use 4 picks straight on one group especially when you have so many needs. Then knowing you're going to have to spend a ton of money to keep that group together. Most likely they take him, but people are saying to write it down in pen and I don't see that at the moment.

In comment 14781217 Big Rick in FL said:

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Don't project trades, but I'd be very surprised if Miami stayed put at 5. I totally expect them to move up to 2 or 3 to make sure they don't miss out on Tua. Especially with the news coming out that he's probably going to have a Pro Day or at least a throwing session for scouts prior to the draft. I guess the feedback he's getting from the Doctors has been really positive. One more thing. I wouldn't pencil Chase Young in to the Redskins even if they stay put at 2. People did the same thing with Josh Allen last year and said there's no way he'd be available at 6. The Skins have used 3 straight first round picks on the DL. They picked Jonathan Allen at 17, Da'Ron Payne at 13 and Montez Sweat at 26. It's hard to use 4 picks straight on one group especially when you have so many needs. Then knowing you're going to have to spend a ton of money to keep that group together. Most likely they take him, but people are saying to write it down in pen and I don't see that at the moment.

That would be nice for the Giants if they traded out of 2 to a QB needy team.

committed to take a QB and maybe trade Rosen to NE.

Detroit is the wildcard. I can see anything happening here. Simmons, Okudah or trade.

and he's there at #4, we need to draft him.

And then sit back and wait for the best offers. Like having a nice house to sell in a seller's market.

Interesting notion except it's flawed logic as far as a risk-reward scenario. The second you actually hand in the card with his name on it you lose your position of strength leverage. Everyone knows you aren't keeping two Top 10 QB picks. Just as 'Zona did with Murray and Rosen and got bent over on the return garnering only a late 2nd and 2020 5th rounder. You want to trade the pick you do it before you're on the clock. That's how you maximize the return with minimal exposure.

In comment 14781267 Torrag said:

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Interesting notion except it's flawed logic as far as a risk-reward scenario. The second you actually hand in the card with his name on it you lose your position of strength leverage. Everyone knows you aren't keeping two Top 10 QB picks. Just as 'Zona did with Murray and Rosen and got bent over on the return garnering only a late 2nd and 2020 5th rounder. You want to trade the pick you do it before you're on the clock. That's how you maximize the return with minimal exposure.

Not sure if the Arizona situation applies. Jones was way more productive than Rosen and showed he is an NFL starter.

Rosen played okay, but there just wasn't enough there to make a team feel great. Plus, I think there was still this stigma about his personality.

That's an example of the negotiating tactics in play. The offers won't appreciably alter if we pick Tua. Teams will put their best foot forward to get him in a multiple bidder scenario. There's no reason to suppose they would offer more at a later date and our risk increases dramatically. The smart play is deal the pick if there is an offer deemed to be acceptable. If not then pick the player we want. Don't get cute about it.

Yet Gettleman doesn't have a clue?

In comment 14781181 90.Cal said:

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But if Simmons is truly special... and I’m not sure about that either, I like him but... if he is truly special you don’t pass on that regardless of position. However, if I’m Detroit I’m looking at all defense as a smoke screen while I strongly, strongly, strongly consider Tua and these other QB’s. Should be able to fetch a high pick or picks for Stafford or keep him for another year while you wait on Tua to get healthy then look to move Matt Staff

I would say there is 0 chance Det. takes a QB

In comment 14781164 90.Cal said:

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Lattimore has been up and down but definitely more of a plus than a negative. What happened to the OSU corner the Raiders drafted in round 1 a few years ago? Anyway, is Okudah really the real deal...??? I heard about Jalen Ramsay years before he was draft eligible, but some speak of Okudah like he’s the next best corner coming out since Ramsay...

Gareon Conely did an excellent job against the Bills with 6 tackles and added a sack and 5 more tackles against the Chiefs. Texans got him for nothing. They also claimed Vernon Hargreaves and making him useful as well.

While the Giants keep drafting corners and using supplemental picks on them.

In comment 14781134 George from PA said:

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Or trade down

+1. I have wirfs as a top guy as well reminds me of Kmac just a muauler in the run game with the wrestling background. Count me as intrigued. Looks like the best tackle prospect. Even if he plays strictly right tackle. He’s worthy of the selection.

Young is going to the skins. Kerrigan is older and doesn’t have many years left. You can pencil in sweat and young for the next 8 years as bookends. They also have Ryan Anderson, another guy I loved, to backup the 2 spots.

In comment 14781217 Big Rick in FL said:

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Don't project trades, but I'd be very surprised if Miami stayed put at 5. I totally expect them to move up to 2 or 3 to make sure they don't miss out on Tua. Especially with the news coming out that he's probably going to have a Pro Day or at least a throwing session for scouts prior to the draft. I guess the feedback he's getting from the Doctors has been really positive. One more thing. I wouldn't pencil Chase Young in to the Redskins even if they stay put at 2. People did the same thing with Josh Allen last year and said there's no way he'd be available at 6. The Skins have used 3 straight first round picks on the DL. They picked Jonathan Allen at 17, Da'Ron Payne at 13 and Montez Sweat at 26. It's hard to use 4 picks straight on one group especially when you have so many needs. Then knowing you're going to have to spend a ton of money to keep that group together. Most likely they take him, but people are saying to write it down in pen and I don't see that at the moment.

I agree with the premise of not writing Young's name in ink to Washington. Another factor is the Trent Williams decision. While they have changed out the coaching/training/medical staffs, there is no guarantee that the relationship is repaired. Penn was only there on a 1 yr deal. Washington very well might decide to trade down, draft their next LT, or take Young. The likelihood is that they will take Young, but I wouldn't write it down in ink (yet). Let's wait to see how FA shakes out (will they sign another stopgap at LT?). Let's wait to see how Tua looks at his Pro Day and whether Miami and others compete to pick ahead of each other.

I would love to pick up MLB Jarrad Davis in free agency.

Okudah is supposed to be a shutdown corner. We still need help at CB. If he's there, you take him.

After investing so much draft capital on that position the past two years would bother me a bit. You would hope that need was meant the past two years.

But if he is the best player in the board, I get it.

In comment 14781262 bw in dc said:

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and he's there at #4, we need to draft him. And then sit back and wait for the best offers. Like having a nice house to sell in a seller's market.

No you trade out. If both Herbert and Tua are on board you will have offers.

Detroit will prob trade down 1st and out maneuver senile G though.

its going to be hard to pass up on multiple 1st rounders. Mia, LV, and Jax have the 2020 resources, other QB needy teams with 2021 assets.

It may actually work out better if Wash did take Chase, leaving NYG with the better trade down offer, ahead of Mia. Even if Mia moved to #3, they would still be in a pretty decent landing spot for Herbert/Eason/Fromm/Love. Just gotta hope one of these QBs rises in the next few months.

that drop you in the draft. Bah.

Root for a QB hungry team to trade up. If Young and Okudah are gone and we don't like an OT up there, got to try and trade down. Would be the classic time to do it.

In comment 14781333 Justlurking said:

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In comment 14781262 bw in dc said: Quote: and he's there at #4, we need to draft him. And then sit back and wait for the best offers. Like having a nice house to sell in a seller's market. No you trade out. If both Herbert and Tua are on board you will have offers. Detroit will prob trade down 1st and out maneuver senile G though.

Before you call someone senile, you'd best look at yourself. Detroit holds the #3 pick, the one IN FRONT or the Giants. There is nothing to outmaneuver, they already have the better pick.
The rush to look chique is getting dumber by the day.

In comment 14781340 JonC said:

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that drop you in the draft. Bah. Root for a QB hungry team to trade up. If Young and Okudah are gone and we don't like an OT up there, got to try and trade down. Would be the classic time to do it.

And it would be a first time for DG to trade down, but you never know. Maybe Judge will help change that.

he has to look at trading down, the extra picks could be worth more than the talent staring at him at #4.

and I'd rather not reach.

Wildcard could be the WR talent, but right now I prefer the trade down option.

that when it's all said and done and draft day is upon us that 2-3 QBs are selected before NYG picks 4 and if not, a strong trade down offer will come to NYG for the 4th overall pick. QBs historically "rise" closer to draft day...

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he has to look at trading down, the extra picks could be worth more than the talent staring at him at #4.

If Judge has influence here and I believe he will, then look to the Pats and how they draft. Trading down will be a very viable option and could net us more mid round(s) talent (2nd and 3rd rounders).

I like Simmons but not at 4 per se but if Giants like him that much then ok. I would like a trade down a where we get a 2nd 1st rounder and if we can come out of the draft with an impact defensive player and say WR Shenault I would be pretty happy.

Just as Barkley was at number two overall. GIANTS CANNOT CONTINUE TO GET THEIR ASSES BEAT AT LOS. GIANTS NEED BIG MEN TO COMPETE. DE, LB, OL all day every day. We can't control the ball and we can't get off the field without them. A non-Revis CB has no value at all to a team that is rotten at it's core.

In comment 14781425 averagejoe said:

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Just as Barkley was at number two overall. GIANTS CANNOT CONTINUE TO GET THEIR ASSES BEAT AT LOS. GIANTS NEED BIG MEN TO COMPETE. DE, LB, OL all day every day. We can't control the ball and we can't get off the field without them. A non-Revis CB has no value at all to a team that is rotten at it's core.

We were in RB hell before Barkley.

He would trade down so let’s see if Patricia follows that model and pushes for a trade down. That is where the whole draft becomes interesting.

We tend to always say “just trade down” without realizing it takes two teams to do the trade. Just because we’d like a trade down doesn’t mean Giants are just going to take whatever offer they get. Sure, it would be great to move down a few spots and pick up a 2nd and 3rd, if we are lucky a 2020 1st. But if the offers are shit, stand pat and take a great prospect at 4.

He would fill a desperate need.

The problem is we have a multitude of needs.

The value of good Qbs elevates the closer we get to the draft.

The opportunity to cash in on a trade down or two and obtaining more quality picks vs filling a desperate need is the equation that Jint front office needs to solve before going into this draft.

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In comment 14781425 averagejoe said: Quote: Just as Barkley was at number two overall. GIANTS CANNOT CONTINUE TO GET THEIR ASSES BEAT AT LOS. GIANTS NEED BIG MEN TO COMPETE. DE, LB, OL all day every day. We can't control the ball and we can't get off the field without them. A non-Revis CB has no value at all to a team that is rotten at it's core. We were in RB hell before Barkley.

We still are. Barkley is a boom or bust RB that does not move the chains. You can't control the ball with a back that takes losses because he likes to dance.

He is forced to dance because our OL has so many breakdowns that result in defensive players in our backfield

Not only played at safety in high school but was the #1 safety prospect coming out of high school.

"Plays zone and man"

"Keen instinct for schemes"

"Being on an island doesn't phase him"

We might have found our value/need player if our staff has the balls to make the guy a safety.

Maybe draft this guy in 1, McKinney in 2 and run a 4-1-6 with 3 dts

the vast majority of that first Mock round is DBs, OLinemen or WRs

kind of weird

Okudah would plug in nicely.

If you're paying attention to this draft class, the OT are not looking worthy.