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FOX Sports: 2020 NFL Mock Draft 4.0

GFAN52 : 1/15/2020 9:09 pm
1. Cinncinati Bengals- Joe Burrow QB
2. Washington Redskins - Chase Young DE
3. Detroit Lions - Isaiah Simmons LB
4. New York Giants - Jeff Okudah DB
5. Miami Dolphins - Tua Tagovailoa QB
6. Los Angeles Chargers — Justin Herbert QB
7. Carolina Panthers — Derrick Brown DT


Back to back QBs at 5 and 6.


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Barkley dances when  
JonC : 1/16/2020 11:55 am : link
the blocking doesn't materialize or he's just trying too hard to bust one.
Whereas I typically favor fronts  
idiotsavant : 1/16/2020 12:07 pm : link
Value fronts as does "average Joe.
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If you play 'cover-zero' (roster has no true free safety)

the ball will get out every time before ANY bigs would get a chance to the QB.

So my priority -right now- is back to front:

Free safety-

Inside LB

A front - up at the line - player of some kind, probably an "outside LB or 4/3 end type ."

In that order not reversed.

So okudah could probably represent a -major- improvent over frigging bethea at FS that's a start

Or mcKinney at some point in the draft.

Or both  
idiotsavant : 1/16/2020 12:18 pm : link
Then cluster draft LBs.

Then see you next year .
idiot did I read that right? You want to move Okudah to FS?  
Torrag : 1/16/2020 12:43 pm : link
That only happens if he fails at CB which would be bad. DB's that can flip their hips and play with their backs to the QB have the most value because they are harder to find. That's why they play corner.
I love when people  
MookGiants : 1/16/2020 12:45 pm : link
constantly say trade down.

Unless it's for a QB, what team is trading up? Trade down sounds nice but if there's no blue chip prospects available when Giants pick, why would a team trade up to get a non-blue chip prospect?

RE: I love when people  
figgy2989 : 1/16/2020 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14781872 MookGiants said:
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constantly say trade down.

Unless it's for a QB, what team is trading up? Trade down sounds nice but if there's no blue chip prospects available when Giants pick, why would a team trade up to get a non-blue chip prospect?


Didn't the Saints just do this a year or two ago for Marcus Davenport?
RE: Barkley dances when  
averagejoe : 1/16/2020 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14781692 JonC said:
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the blocking doesn't materialize or he's just trying too hard to bust one.


That is my point. If there is no hole you push the pile and make two yards. He refuses to do this. He stops, hops backward, and then crumbles into a fetal position and takes a loss. And once again we punt.
RE: RE: Barkley dances when  
Eman11 : 1/16/2020 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14781911 averagejoe said:
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In comment 14781692 JonC said:


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the blocking doesn't materialize or he's just trying too hard to bust one.



That is my point. If there is no hole you push the pile and make two yards. He refuses to do this. He stops, hops backward, and then crumbles into a fetal position and takes a loss. And once again we punt.


How is he supposed to do that when he's constantly being hit by penetration behind the LOS?

Maybe he could push the pile for two yards if he could reach the LOS. It sure seems to me the majority of his dancing behind the line was when he had no choice but to try and make something happen.
A mock draft version 4.0  
Mr. Bungle : 1/16/2020 2:23 pm : link
in mid-January.

God help us...
RE: Drafting another db  
Klaatu : 1/16/2020 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14781332 joeinpa said:
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After investing so much draft capital on that position the past two years would bother me a bit. You would hope that need was meant the past two years.

But if he is the best player in the board, I get it.


I feel the same way.
RE: RE: Barkley dances when  
JonC : 1/16/2020 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14781911 averagejoe said:
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In comment 14781692 JonC said:


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the blocking doesn't materialize or he's just trying too hard to bust one.



That is my point. If there is no hole you push the pile and make two yards. He refuses to do this. He stops, hops backward, and then crumbles into a fetal position and takes a loss. And once again we punt.


It ties into him trying to do too much, coach has to drill it into his head. He does it sometimes, and after a number of failures he gets frustrated and tries to create more.
RE: RE: Drafting another db  
Giants in 07 : 1/16/2020 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14782190 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14781332 joeinpa said:


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After investing so much draft capital on that position the past two years would bother me a bit. You would hope that need was meant the past two years.

But if he is the best player in the board, I get it.



I feel the same way.


I kind of feel the same way but you can't have too many good cover corners. And it seems that the Giants like Love at safety anyway
RE: I love when people  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/16/2020 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14781872 MookGiants said:
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constantly say trade down.


Mook, Be honest. You don't really love it, now, do you?

RE: Disappointing crop for OT and Edge  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/16/2020 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14781361 JonC said:
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and I'd rather not reach.

Wildcard could be the WR talent, but right now I prefer the trade down option.


Well the combine, rightly or wrongly, can change the percieved talent level of guys like Gross-Matos and Thomas, who are reportedly superior athletes.
RE: RE: RE: Drafting another db  
Klaatu : 1/16/2020 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14782205 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 14782190 Klaatu said:


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In comment 14781332 joeinpa said:


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After investing so much draft capital on that position the past two years would bother me a bit. You would hope that need was meant the past two years.

But if he is the best player in the board, I get it.



I feel the same way.



I kind of feel the same way but you can't have too many good cover corners. And it seems that the Giants like Love at safety anyway


They could use another Safety. I hope they can sign a good one in free agency.

I don't have a problem with Okudah if he's the highest-graded player on their board when they're up (and he's still available). As you said, you can't have too many good cover corners. Still, I hope the new regime can get more out of Baker, Beal, and Ballantine. We'll see.
Good with Simmons or Okudah.  
TMS : 1/17/2020 3:29 pm : link
Both will be instant starters on this team. Thats what you have to get when you draft this high. So far so good with DG in this area. No developmental OL projects please. Flowers should have taught us that.
Here we go again  
arniefez : 1/17/2020 3:49 pm : link
a CB or some suggesting a WR you people never learn. How about a long snapper with the #2 pick.
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