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Albright: “Arrow pointing up with Garrett to NYG”

bigfrank612 : 1/16/2020 12:19 pm
He says Garrett to NYG is looking good, while Shula to DEN is likely if it ends up this way. Ben Albright is usually tuned in pretty good and he is very well connected into the Broncos thinking.
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Only thing I’ve seen him wrong with  
Saos1n : 1/16/2020 12:22 pm : link
Is him saying Garrett was our back up plan to Rhule. Perhaps, that was before the Judge interview.

He is def tuned in
Thanks for the heads up  
whispa : 1/16/2020 12:23 pm : link
I like the move if it is true and pans out.
Get this done  
Ryan in Albany : 1/16/2020 12:24 pm : link
damnit.
If we get Garrett and Callahan  
jvm52106 : 1/16/2020 12:24 pm : link
this would be a massive win for us.
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/16/2020 12:24 pm : link
this guy makes a living off reporting stuff that basically everyone knows is going to happen, and then if it happens, he takes credit. If it doesn't happen, well who cares.

I wish he could provide  
johnnyb : 1/16/2020 12:24 pm : link
some insight into Callahan. he would be a welcomed addition to our coaching staff.
The Broncos really must have had a hard-on  
Mr. Bungle : 1/16/2020 12:24 pm : link
for the Giants' #17 offense in 2018 and #23 offense in 2019.
We'll know by close of business....  
MOOPS : 1/16/2020 12:25 pm : link
tomorrow. I'd think Judge want to get the important positions on his staff finalized.
Had no interest in Garrett as HC,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/16/2020 12:27 pm : link
but fine with him for OC. Hopefully get Callahan too.
A Garrett hire is a smart organizational move and provides...  
Torrag : 1/16/2020 12:27 pm : link
an experienced sounding board for Joe Judge. The part that isn't ideal is that Shurmur and Shula were the core developers of Jones and did a good job with him. I'd have preferred to keep Shula around in some capacity but that seems unlikely now if he has an offer to join Pat in Denver.
RE: ...  
Big Rick in FL : 1/16/2020 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14781800 ryanmkeane said:
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this guy makes a living off reporting stuff that basically everyone knows is going to happen, and then if it happens, he takes credit. If it doesn't happen, well who cares.


This is simply not true.
I wonder about the development of Jones...  
Brown_Hornet : 1/16/2020 12:35 pm : link
... Because at the end of the day we don't really know who spent the most time with him and gave him the best advice.

I wonder if a great deal of his growth is not due to great support and mentoring from Eli.
RE: ...  
Saos1n : 1/16/2020 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14781800 ryanmkeane said:
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this guy makes a living off reporting stuff that basically everyone knows is going to happen, and then if it happens, he takes credit. If it doesn't happen, well who cares.


Can’t agree with you on that. He has broken quite a few stories, sometimes months in advance. I can see why someone wouldn’t like him. Kind of brash. Sometimes arrogant, but he’s got connections
'don't really know who spent the most time with him'  
Torrag : 1/16/2020 12:40 pm : link
Shurmur is well known for his coaching of QB's and Shula was literally his QB coach. So we absolutely know they were key parts in training Jones. You want to add Eli in the mix as well that's fair.
I don't hate it  
madeinstars : 1/16/2020 12:40 pm : link
But my biggest concern is that he hasn't been an OC since 2010 or something. How creative is he going to be designing plays?

Also I don't really like the prospect of pairing him with Barkley. As an OC a big knock on Garrett was that he got away from the run way to much. Also I'm not sure he is the one to design plays to get Barkley in space.
RE: I wonder about the development of Jones...  
Brown Recluse : 1/16/2020 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14781845 Brown_Hornet said:
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... Because at the end of the day we don't really know who spent the most time with him and gave him the best advice.

I wonder if a great deal of his growth is not due to great support and mentoring from Eli.


You can toss Ryan Roeders name in there as well.
RE: 'don't really know who spent the most time with him'  
Brown Recluse : 1/16/2020 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14781858 Torrag said:
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Shurmur is well known for his coaching of QB's and Shula was literally his QB coach. So we absolutely know they were key parts in training Jones. You want to add Eli in the mix as well that's fair.


Ryan Roeder was his QB coach.
RE: I wonder about the development of Jones...  
ColHowPepper : 1/16/2020 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14781845 Brown_Hornet said:
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... Because at the end of the day we don't really know who spent the most time with him and gave him the best advice.

I wonder if a great deal of his growth is not due to great support and mentoring from Eli.
That last part is so overblown. Throughout training camp and the season, Jones, when asked by reporters about the influence of Eli's mentorship and/or who had been especially helpful to him, he responded consistently in referring to Tanney, Shula, and lastly, the guys in 'the room'. On occasion when pressed, he said, yeah, Eli has been great.
Allbright is plugged in with some teams  
Strahan91 : 1/16/2020 12:53 pm : link
but the NYG are not one of them. I don't know if he's ever gotten a Giants scoop before.
RE: Allbright is plugged in with some teams  
Big Rick in FL : 1/16/2020 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14781901 Strahan91 said:
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but the NYG are not one of them. I don't know if he's ever gotten a Giants scoop before.


I believe he was the first to link the Giants and DJ together last year, but yeah he doesn't normally post Giants info.
RE: I don't hate it  
ATL_Giants : 1/16/2020 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14781860 madeinstars said:
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Also I don't really like the prospect of pairing him with Barkley. As an OC a big knock on Garrett was that he got away from the run way to much. Also I'm not sure he is the one to design plays to get Barkley in space.

Fix:
Judge: "Hey Garrett, feature Barkley."
Garrett: "Ok."
RE: I wonder about the development of Jones...  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/16/2020 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14781845 Brown_Hornet said:
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... Because at the end of the day we don't really know who spent the most time with him and gave him the best advice.

I wonder if a great deal of his growth is not due to great support and mentoring from Eli.


Alex Tanney, right?
Garrett is widely known to be a subservient pushover  
Ben in Tampa : 1/16/2020 1:00 pm : link
so I have zero concerns about him overshadowing, politicking or going rogue on a strong willed Joe Judge

This would be an exciting hire. I think Jones would excel in an offense similar to the one Garrett ran with Romo in the Wade Philips era
RE: RE: I don't hate it  
Giants38 : 1/16/2020 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14781910 ATL_Giants said:
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In comment 14781860 madeinstars said:


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Also I don't really like the prospect of pairing him with Barkley. As an OC a big knock on Garrett was that he got away from the run way to much. Also I'm not sure he is the one to design plays to get Barkley in space.


Fix:
Judge: "Hey Garrett, feature Barkley."
Garrett: "Ok."


I'm not necessarily defending the guy, but I think a lot of that was Kellen Moore being pass happy. And, in all fairness, Zeke won the rushing title a couple years ago and has been at the top of scrimmage yardage since he's been drafted. I'm not saying he always used Zeke correctly, but Zeke got touches there.
RE: 'don't really know who spent the most time with him'  
k2tampa : 1/16/2020 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14781858 Torrag said:
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Shurmur is well known for his coaching of QB's and Shula was literally his QB coach. So we absolutely know they were key parts in training Jones. You want to add Eli in the mix as well that's fair.


We don't know anything about what Shurmur and Shula did for Jones. We weren't there. We have absolutely no evidence that Jones would have been worse, or better, under different coaches.
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kash94 : 1/16/2020 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14781855 Saos1n said:
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In comment 14781800 ryanmkeane said:


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this guy makes a living off reporting stuff that basically everyone knows is going to happen, and then if it happens, he takes credit. If it doesn't happen, well who cares.




Can’t agree with you on that. He has broken quite a few stories, sometimes months in advance. I can see why someone wouldn’t like him. Kind of brash. Sometimes arrogant, but he’s got connections


Yea - I've been following him pretty closely the past few years. He gets into fights way too much over who broke a story first, but he's generally right and doesn't post stuff for the hell of it.

That said, he generally doesn't break Giants stuff. He's most plugged in with the Broncos though.
RE: We'll know by close of business....  
GFAN52 : 1/16/2020 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14781807 MOOPS said:
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tomorrow. I'd think Judge want to get the important positions on his staff finalized.


Why tomorrow? Could just as easily linger into next week.
I really hope this gets done, and soon.  
Leg of Theismann : 1/16/2020 1:41 pm : link
I have to say, though: I am surprised it hasn't gotten done already. Considering we haven't gotten word, that means Garrett left the facilities yesterday without a contract. I hope they don't let this linger, although I guess it could potentially given there have been rumors the Giants may be targeting an assistant or 2 for OC who is coaching this weekend. Imagine waiting until next week and missing out on Garrett and THEN also missing out on whoever they have in mind. Yikes.
RE: Garrett is widely known to be a subservient pushover  
Leg of Theismann : 1/16/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14781921 Ben in Tampa said:
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so I have zero concerns about him overshadowing, politicking or going rogue on a strong willed Joe Judge

This would be an exciting hire. I think Jones would excel in an offense similar to the one Garrett ran with Romo in the Wade Philips era


Exactly why I like this hire so much. Garrett has to have little ego to be able to put up with and survive Jerry Jones for 10 years. I mean isn't he the longest tenured Cowboys coach by far since Jerry took over the team?

Having to take a backseat to Judge I'd imagine wouldn't bother him. He's really the ideal experienced coordinator to have for a 1st year HC.
RE: I really hope this gets done, and soon.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/16/2020 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14782054 Leg of Theismann said:
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I have to say, though: I am surprised it hasn't gotten done already. Considering we haven't gotten word, that means Garrett left the facilities yesterday without a contract. I hope they don't let this linger, although I guess it could potentially given there have been rumors the Giants may be targeting an assistant or 2 for OC who is coaching this weekend. Imagine waiting until next week and missing out on Garrett and THEN also missing out on whoever they have in mind. Yikes.


If he left without a contract, we would have heard. I think you've got this backwards.
I'm not saying  
ryanmkeane : 1/16/2020 2:03 pm : link
he's some hack, but there's an easy way to pretend to have a ton of information. Matt Miller is the same.
RE: RE: 'don't really know who spent the most time with him'  
Brown_Hornet : 1/16/2020 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14781925 k2tampa said:
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Shurmur is well known for his coaching of QB's and Shula was literally his QB coach. So we absolutely know they were key parts in training Jones. You want to add Eli in the mix as well that's fair.



We don't know anything about what Shurmur and Shula did for Jones. We weren't there. We have absolutely no evidence that Jones would have been worse, or better, under different coaches.
This is my point.
Daniel will be fine...
I think Garrett is a good OC  
Rudy5757 : 1/16/2020 2:17 pm : link
I didnt want him as HC...I really dont like his Mad Magazine face every week but I think he will do a good job. maybe we can put him up in the booth...lol.
RE: I'm not saying  
GFAN52 : 1/16/2020 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14782129 ryanmkeane said:
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he's some hack, but there's an easy way to pretend to have a ton of information. Matt Miller is the same.


He principally covers the Broncos so who knows.
I can't say I like the idea of Garrett ....  
FStubbs : 1/16/2020 3:25 pm : link
... but he's definitely an upgrade over Shula.
RE: I don't hate it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/16/2020 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14781860 madeinstars said:
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But my biggest concern is that he hasn't been an OC since 2010 or something. How creative is he going to be designing plays?


He's still been in the league though, so he's seen all of today's offenses from the perspective of game planning against them. And, going from head coaching to coordinator gives you a lot of time to focus on just your unit.

Though I think the idea of "designing" plays is a bit overblown. Situational playcalling and execution is what wins. On a week to week basis, you're not seeing teams put up points because of flashy, never before seen types of plays.
RE: RE: I don't hate it  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2020 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14782329 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But my biggest concern is that he hasn't been an OC since 2010 or something. How creative is he going to be designing plays?



He's still been in the league though, so he's seen all of today's offenses from the perspective of game planning against them. And, going from head coaching to coordinator gives you a lot of time to focus on just your unit.

Though I think the idea of "designing" plays is a bit overblown. Situational playcalling and execution is what wins. On a week to week basis, you're not seeing teams put up points because of flashy, never before seen types of plays.


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And, going from head coaching to coordinator gives you a lot of time to focus on just your unit.



NTTAWWT! :)
So Garrett was HC in Dallas since 2011 and Callahan was fired...  
Torrag : 1/16/2020 3:39 pm : link
as OC/OL coach from Dallas in 2014. So did Garrett fire Callahan? Or was jerrah's fingerprints all over that?

BTW is this the longest friggin' coordinator interview in history or what?
RE: So Garrett was HC in Dallas since 2011 and Callahan was fired...  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2020 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14782350 Torrag said:
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as OC/OL coach from Dallas in 2014. So did Garrett fire Callahan? Or was jerrah's fingerprints all over that?

BTW is this the longest friggin' coordinator interview in history or what?


😂😂
If this is true  
5BowlsSoon : 1/16/2020 5:06 pm : link
I’m glad to see Shula has a job no matter what. He is a good guy.
RE: A Garrett hire is a smart organizational move and provides...  
Thinblueline : 1/16/2020 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14781817 Torrag said:
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an experienced sounding board for Joe Judge. The part that isn't ideal is that Shurmur and Shula were the core developers of Jones and did a good job with him. I'd have preferred to keep Shula around in some capacity but that seems unlikely now if he has an offer to join Pat in Denver.


I agree my friend...
RE: RE: I really hope this gets done, and soon.  
Leg of Theismann : 1/16/2020 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14782096 Eric from BBI said:
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I have to say, though: I am surprised it hasn't gotten done already. Considering we haven't gotten word, that means Garrett left the facilities yesterday without a contract. I hope they don't let this linger, although I guess it could potentially given there have been rumors the Giants may be targeting an assistant or 2 for OC who is coaching this weekend. Imagine waiting until next week and missing out on Garrett and THEN also missing out on whoever they have in mind. Yikes.



If he left without a contract, we would have heard. I think you've got this backwards.


Eric-- really? But, assuming he has left the facilities by now, if he did sign a contract, why wouldn't they have announced it yet? Why sign a contract and wait several days to say anything?
RE: RE: RE: I really hope this gets done, and soon.  
GFAN52 : 1/16/2020 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14782815 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 14782096 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 14782054 Leg of Theismann said:


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I have to say, though: I am surprised it hasn't gotten done already. Considering we haven't gotten word, that means Garrett left the facilities yesterday without a contract. I hope they don't let this linger, although I guess it could potentially given there have been rumors the Giants may be targeting an assistant or 2 for OC who is coaching this weekend. Imagine waiting until next week and missing out on Garrett and THEN also missing out on whoever they have in mind. Yikes.



If he left without a contract, we would have heard. I think you've got this backwards.



Eric-- really? But, assuming he has left the facilities by now, if he did sign a contract, why wouldn't they have announced it yet? Why sign a contract and wait several days to say anything?
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They probably want to make an announcement with more of the staff identified at one time.
Leg of Theismann  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/17/2020 7:23 am : link
They haven't announced anyone yet other than Judge.

Usually  
CGiants07 : 1/17/2020 7:57 am : link
They announce entire staff together
It's no surprise how badly the Mara's want Garrett  
arniefez : 1/17/2020 8:50 am : link
on the staff. He checks every Mara wet dream as a coach. There's no doubt in my mind he'd be the HC if they thought there was anyway they could sell it to the fan base.

Garrett has basically been a figurehead for 10 years. The NFL moves in dog years. His offense is about 70 years old. If that's who Judge wants I'm all for it. But this smells like Mara meddling. If it means that they get Callahan as OL too it might be worth it.
RE: It's no surprise how badly the Mara's want Garrett  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2020 8:55 am : link
In comment 14783071 arniefez said:
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on the staff. He checks every Mara wet dream as a coach. There's no doubt in my mind he'd be the HC if they thought there was anyway they could sell it to the fan base.

Garrett has basically been a figurehead for 10 years. The NFL moves in dog years. His offense is about 70 years old. If that's who Judge wants I'm all for it. But this smells like Mara meddling. If it means that they get Callahan as OL too it might be worth it.


Stated with zero proof, just opinion
RE: It's no surprise how badly the Mara's want Garrett  
HMunster : 1/17/2020 8:59 am : link
In comment 14783071 arniefez said:
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on the staff. He checks every Mara wet dream as a coach. There's no doubt in my mind he'd be the HC if they thought there was anyway they could sell it to the fan base.

Garrett has basically been a figurehead for 10 years. The NFL moves in dog years. His offense is about 70 years old. If that's who Judge wants I'm all for it. But this smells like Mara meddling. If it means that they get Callahan as OL too it might be worth it.

Let's say you're 100% right. Mara pushed for Garrett and Judge agreed.

Who cares? If it's a good move, then it's a good move.

I'd rather have a good OC with poor motivations behind the hiring than a crappy OC with great motivations.
Mara was asked specifically  
an_idol_mind : 1/17/2020 8:59 am : link
whether the Giants were interested in having Garrett on staff, and he said the following:

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It's going to be up to Joe ultimately who he brings on as an offensive coordinator. I certainly wouldn't have any objection to that. I have a lot of respect for Jason. At the end of the day, that's going to be Joe's decision.


I can buy that Mara or Gettleman might have suggested that Judge take a look at Garrett, but all evidence points to Judge making the final decisions on his staff.
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