He says Garrett to NYG is looking good, while Shula to DEN is likely if it ends up this way. Ben Albright is usually tuned in pretty good and he is very well connected into the Broncos thinking. Link - ( New Window )
this guy makes a living off reporting stuff that basically everyone knows is going to happen, and then if it happens, he takes credit. If it doesn't happen, well who cares.
an experienced sounding board for Joe Judge. The part that isn't ideal is that Shurmur and Shula were the core developers of Jones and did a good job with him. I'd have preferred to keep Shula around in some capacity but that seems unlikely now if he has an offer to join Pat in Denver.
this guy makes a living off reporting stuff that basically everyone knows is going to happen, and then if it happens, he takes credit. If it doesn't happen, well who cares.
this guy makes a living off reporting stuff that basically everyone knows is going to happen, and then if it happens, he takes credit. If it doesn't happen, well who cares.
Can’t agree with you on that. He has broken quite a few stories, sometimes months in advance. I can see why someone wouldn’t like him. Kind of brash. Sometimes arrogant, but he’s got connections
'don't really know who spent the most time with him' Â
Shurmur is well known for his coaching of QB's and Shula was literally his QB coach. So we absolutely know they were key parts in training Jones. You want to add Eli in the mix as well that's fair.
But my biggest concern is that he hasn't been an OC since 2010 or something. How creative is he going to be designing plays?
Also I don't really like the prospect of pairing him with Barkley. As an OC a big knock on Garrett was that he got away from the run way to much. Also I'm not sure he is the one to design plays to get Barkley in space.
Shurmur is well known for his coaching of QB's and Shula was literally his QB coach. So we absolutely know they were key parts in training Jones. You want to add Eli in the mix as well that's fair.
... Because at the end of the day we don't really know who spent the most time with him and gave him the best advice.
I wonder if a great deal of his growth is not due to great support and mentoring from Eli.
That last part is so overblown. Throughout training camp and the season, Jones, when asked by reporters about the influence of Eli's mentorship and/or who had been especially helpful to him, he responded consistently in referring to Tanney, Shula, and lastly, the guys in 'the room'. On occasion when pressed, he said, yeah, Eli has been great.
Also I don't really like the prospect of pairing him with Barkley. As an OC a big knock on Garrett was that he got away from the run way to much. Also I'm not sure he is the one to design plays to get Barkley in space.
Also I don't really like the prospect of pairing him with Barkley. As an OC a big knock on Garrett was that he got away from the run way to much. Also I'm not sure he is the one to design plays to get Barkley in space.
I'm not necessarily defending the guy, but I think a lot of that was Kellen Moore being pass happy. And, in all fairness, Zeke won the rushing title a couple years ago and has been at the top of scrimmage yardage since he's been drafted. I'm not saying he always used Zeke correctly, but Zeke got touches there.
RE: 'don't really know who spent the most time with him' Â
Shurmur is well known for his coaching of QB's and Shula was literally his QB coach. So we absolutely know they were key parts in training Jones. You want to add Eli in the mix as well that's fair.
We don't know anything about what Shurmur and Shula did for Jones. We weren't there. We have absolutely no evidence that Jones would have been worse, or better, under different coaches.
this guy makes a living off reporting stuff that basically everyone knows is going to happen, and then if it happens, he takes credit. If it doesn't happen, well who cares.
Can’t agree with you on that. He has broken quite a few stories, sometimes months in advance. I can see why someone wouldn’t like him. Kind of brash. Sometimes arrogant, but he’s got connections
Yea - I've been following him pretty closely the past few years. He gets into fights way too much over who broke a story first, but he's generally right and doesn't post stuff for the hell of it.
That said, he generally doesn't break Giants stuff. He's most plugged in with the Broncos though.
I have to say, though: I am surprised it hasn't gotten done already. Considering we haven't gotten word, that means Garrett left the facilities yesterday without a contract. I hope they don't let this linger, although I guess it could potentially given there have been rumors the Giants may be targeting an assistant or 2 for OC who is coaching this weekend. Imagine waiting until next week and missing out on Garrett and THEN also missing out on whoever they have in mind. Yikes.
RE: Garrett is widely known to be a subservient pushover Â
so I have zero concerns about him overshadowing, politicking or going rogue on a strong willed Joe Judge
This would be an exciting hire. I think Jones would excel in an offense similar to the one Garrett ran with Romo in the Wade Philips era
Exactly why I like this hire so much. Garrett has to have little ego to be able to put up with and survive Jerry Jones for 10 years. I mean isn't he the longest tenured Cowboys coach by far since Jerry took over the team?
Having to take a backseat to Judge I'd imagine wouldn't bother him. He's really the ideal experienced coordinator to have for a 1st year HC.
I have to say, though: I am surprised it hasn't gotten done already. Considering we haven't gotten word, that means Garrett left the facilities yesterday without a contract. I hope they don't let this linger, although I guess it could potentially given there have been rumors the Giants may be targeting an assistant or 2 for OC who is coaching this weekend. Imagine waiting until next week and missing out on Garrett and THEN also missing out on whoever they have in mind. Yikes.
If he left without a contract, we would have heard. I think you've got this backwards.
Shurmur is well known for his coaching of QB's and Shula was literally his QB coach. So we absolutely know they were key parts in training Jones. You want to add Eli in the mix as well that's fair.
We don't know anything about what Shurmur and Shula did for Jones. We weren't there. We have absolutely no evidence that Jones would have been worse, or better, under different coaches.
I didnt want him as HC...I really dont like his Mad Magazine face every week but I think he will do a good job. maybe we can put him up in the booth...lol.
But my biggest concern is that he hasn't been an OC since 2010 or something. How creative is he going to be designing plays?
He's still been in the league though, so he's seen all of today's offenses from the perspective of game planning against them. And, going from head coaching to coordinator gives you a lot of time to focus on just your unit.
Though I think the idea of "designing" plays is a bit overblown. Situational playcalling and execution is what wins. On a week to week basis, you're not seeing teams put up points because of flashy, never before seen types of plays.
But my biggest concern is that he hasn't been an OC since 2010 or something. How creative is he going to be designing plays?
He's still been in the league though, so he's seen all of today's offenses from the perspective of game planning against them. And, going from head coaching to coordinator gives you a lot of time to focus on just your unit.
Though I think the idea of "designing" plays is a bit overblown. Situational playcalling and execution is what wins. On a week to week basis, you're not seeing teams put up points because of flashy, never before seen types of plays.
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And, going from head coaching to coordinator gives you a lot of time to focus on just your unit.
NTTAWWT! :)
So Garrett was HC in Dallas since 2011 and Callahan was fired... Â
an experienced sounding board for Joe Judge. The part that isn't ideal is that Shurmur and Shula were the core developers of Jones and did a good job with him. I'd have preferred to keep Shula around in some capacity but that seems unlikely now if he has an offer to join Pat in Denver.
I have to say, though: I am surprised it hasn't gotten done already. Considering we haven't gotten word, that means Garrett left the facilities yesterday without a contract. I hope they don't let this linger, although I guess it could potentially given there have been rumors the Giants may be targeting an assistant or 2 for OC who is coaching this weekend. Imagine waiting until next week and missing out on Garrett and THEN also missing out on whoever they have in mind. Yikes.
If he left without a contract, we would have heard. I think you've got this backwards.
Eric-- really? But, assuming he has left the facilities by now, if he did sign a contract, why wouldn't they have announced it yet? Why sign a contract and wait several days to say anything?
RE: RE: RE: I really hope this gets done, and soon. Â
I have to say, though: I am surprised it hasn't gotten done already. Considering we haven't gotten word, that means Garrett left the facilities yesterday without a contract. I hope they don't let this linger, although I guess it could potentially given there have been rumors the Giants may be targeting an assistant or 2 for OC who is coaching this weekend. Imagine waiting until next week and missing out on Garrett and THEN also missing out on whoever they have in mind. Yikes.
If he left without a contract, we would have heard. I think you've got this backwards.
Eric-- really? But, assuming he has left the facilities by now, if he did sign a contract, why wouldn't they have announced it yet? Why sign a contract and wait several days to say anything?
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They probably want to make an announcement with more of the staff identified at one time.
on the staff. He checks every Mara wet dream as a coach. There's no doubt in my mind he'd be the HC if they thought there was anyway they could sell it to the fan base.
Garrett has basically been a figurehead for 10 years. The NFL moves in dog years. His offense is about 70 years old. If that's who Judge wants I'm all for it. But this smells like Mara meddling. If it means that they get Callahan as OL too it might be worth it.
RE: It's no surprise how badly the Mara's want Garrett Â
on the staff. He checks every Mara wet dream as a coach. There's no doubt in my mind he'd be the HC if they thought there was anyway they could sell it to the fan base.
Garrett has basically been a figurehead for 10 years. The NFL moves in dog years. His offense is about 70 years old. If that's who Judge wants I'm all for it. But this smells like Mara meddling. If it means that they get Callahan as OL too it might be worth it.
Stated with zero proof, just opinion
RE: It's no surprise how badly the Mara's want Garrett Â
on the staff. He checks every Mara wet dream as a coach. There's no doubt in my mind he'd be the HC if they thought there was anyway they could sell it to the fan base.
Garrett has basically been a figurehead for 10 years. The NFL moves in dog years. His offense is about 70 years old. If that's who Judge wants I'm all for it. But this smells like Mara meddling. If it means that they get Callahan as OL too it might be worth it.
Let's say you're 100% right. Mara pushed for Garrett and Judge agreed.
Who cares? If it's a good move, then it's a good move.
I'd rather have a good OC with poor motivations behind the hiring than a crappy OC with great motivations.
whether the Giants were interested in having Garrett on staff, and he said the following:
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It's going to be up to Joe ultimately who he brings on as an offensive coordinator. I certainly wouldn't have any objection to that. I have a lot of respect for Jason. At the end of the day, that's going to be Joe's decision.
I can buy that Mara or Gettleman might have suggested that Judge take a look at Garrett, but all evidence points to Judge making the final decisions on his staff.
He is def tuned in
This is simply not true.
I wonder if a great deal of his growth is not due to great support and mentoring from Eli.
Can’t agree with you on that. He has broken quite a few stories, sometimes months in advance. I can see why someone wouldn’t like him. Kind of brash. Sometimes arrogant, but he’s got connections
Also I don't really like the prospect of pairing him with Barkley. As an OC a big knock on Garrett was that he got away from the run way to much. Also I'm not sure he is the one to design plays to get Barkley in space.
I wonder if a great deal of his growth is not due to great support and mentoring from Eli.
You can toss Ryan Roeders name in there as well.
Ryan Roeder was his QB coach.
I wonder if a great deal of his growth is not due to great support and mentoring from Eli.
I believe he was the first to link the Giants and DJ together last year, but yeah he doesn't normally post Giants info.
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Judge: "Hey Garrett, feature Barkley."
Garrett: "Ok."
I wonder if a great deal of his growth is not due to great support and mentoring from Eli.
Alex Tanney, right?
This would be an exciting hire. I think Jones would excel in an offense similar to the one Garrett ran with Romo in the Wade Philips era
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Also I don't really like the prospect of pairing him with Barkley. As an OC a big knock on Garrett was that he got away from the run way to much. Also I'm not sure he is the one to design plays to get Barkley in space.
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Judge: "Hey Garrett, feature Barkley."
Garrett: "Ok."
I'm not necessarily defending the guy, but I think a lot of that was Kellen Moore being pass happy. And, in all fairness, Zeke won the rushing title a couple years ago and has been at the top of scrimmage yardage since he's been drafted. I'm not saying he always used Zeke correctly, but Zeke got touches there.
We don't know anything about what Shurmur and Shula did for Jones. We weren't there. We have absolutely no evidence that Jones would have been worse, or better, under different coaches.
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this guy makes a living off reporting stuff that basically everyone knows is going to happen, and then if it happens, he takes credit. If it doesn't happen, well who cares.
Can’t agree with you on that. He has broken quite a few stories, sometimes months in advance. I can see why someone wouldn’t like him. Kind of brash. Sometimes arrogant, but he’s got connections
Yea - I've been following him pretty closely the past few years. He gets into fights way too much over who broke a story first, but he's generally right and doesn't post stuff for the hell of it.
That said, he generally doesn't break Giants stuff. He's most plugged in with the Broncos though.
Why tomorrow? Could just as easily linger into next week.
This would be an exciting hire. I think Jones would excel in an offense similar to the one Garrett ran with Romo in the Wade Philips era
Exactly why I like this hire so much. Garrett has to have little ego to be able to put up with and survive Jerry Jones for 10 years. I mean isn't he the longest tenured Cowboys coach by far since Jerry took over the team?
Having to take a backseat to Judge I'd imagine wouldn't bother him. He's really the ideal experienced coordinator to have for a 1st year HC.
If he left without a contract, we would have heard. I think you've got this backwards.
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Shurmur is well known for his coaching of QB's and Shula was literally his QB coach. So we absolutely know they were key parts in training Jones. You want to add Eli in the mix as well that's fair.
We don't know anything about what Shurmur and Shula did for Jones. We weren't there. We have absolutely no evidence that Jones would have been worse, or better, under different coaches.
Daniel will be fine...
He principally covers the Broncos so who knows.
He's still been in the league though, so he's seen all of today's offenses from the perspective of game planning against them. And, going from head coaching to coordinator gives you a lot of time to focus on just your unit.
Though I think the idea of "designing" plays is a bit overblown. Situational playcalling and execution is what wins. On a week to week basis, you're not seeing teams put up points because of flashy, never before seen types of plays.
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But my biggest concern is that he hasn't been an OC since 2010 or something. How creative is he going to be designing plays?
He's still been in the league though, so he's seen all of today's offenses from the perspective of game planning against them. And, going from head coaching to coordinator gives you a lot of time to focus on just your unit.
Though I think the idea of "designing" plays is a bit overblown. Situational playcalling and execution is what wins. On a week to week basis, you're not seeing teams put up points because of flashy, never before seen types of plays.
And, going from head coaching to coordinator gives you a lot of time to focus on just your unit.
NTTAWWT! :)
BTW is this the longest friggin' coordinator interview in history or what?
BTW is this the longest friggin' coordinator interview in history or what?
😂😂
I agree my friend...
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I have to say, though: I am surprised it hasn't gotten done already. Considering we haven't gotten word, that means Garrett left the facilities yesterday without a contract. I hope they don't let this linger, although I guess it could potentially given there have been rumors the Giants may be targeting an assistant or 2 for OC who is coaching this weekend. Imagine waiting until next week and missing out on Garrett and THEN also missing out on whoever they have in mind. Yikes.
If he left without a contract, we would have heard. I think you've got this backwards.
Eric-- really? But, assuming he has left the facilities by now, if he did sign a contract, why wouldn't they have announced it yet? Why sign a contract and wait several days to say anything?
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I have to say, though: I am surprised it hasn't gotten done already. Considering we haven't gotten word, that means Garrett left the facilities yesterday without a contract. I hope they don't let this linger, although I guess it could potentially given there have been rumors the Giants may be targeting an assistant or 2 for OC who is coaching this weekend. Imagine waiting until next week and missing out on Garrett and THEN also missing out on whoever they have in mind. Yikes.
If he left without a contract, we would have heard. I think you've got this backwards.
Eric-- really? But, assuming he has left the facilities by now, if he did sign a contract, why wouldn't they have announced it yet? Why sign a contract and wait several days to say anything?
They probably want to make an announcement with more of the staff identified at one time.
Garrett has basically been a figurehead for 10 years. The NFL moves in dog years. His offense is about 70 years old. If that's who Judge wants I'm all for it. But this smells like Mara meddling. If it means that they get Callahan as OL too it might be worth it.
Garrett has basically been a figurehead for 10 years. The NFL moves in dog years. His offense is about 70 years old. If that's who Judge wants I'm all for it. But this smells like Mara meddling. If it means that they get Callahan as OL too it might be worth it.
Stated with zero proof, just opinion
Garrett has basically been a figurehead for 10 years. The NFL moves in dog years. His offense is about 70 years old. If that's who Judge wants I'm all for it. But this smells like Mara meddling. If it means that they get Callahan as OL too it might be worth it.
Let's say you're 100% right. Mara pushed for Garrett and Judge agreed.
Who cares? If it's a good move, then it's a good move.
I'd rather have a good OC with poor motivations behind the hiring than a crappy OC with great motivations.
I can buy that Mara or Gettleman might have suggested that Judge take a look at Garrett, but all evidence points to Judge making the final decisions on his staff.