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DanMetroMan : 1/16/2020 1:09 pm
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Eric  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2020 4:03 pm : link
nowhere in your link does it suggest they asked the players to do anything - it was scouts they asked according to the article - and in the MLB report it says it was a players meeting "including Carols Beltran" where the plan was discussed.

Bill2  
Drewcon40 : 1/16/2020 4:05 pm : link
your take is very refreshing and enjoyable. As a Mets fan, I have the utmost respect for the tradition. There are knuckleheads on both sides.

The people who get screwed are the Mets fans. Whether investing with their wallets or hearts, it is gone beyond reasonable what this fan base has to endure.
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 1/16/2020 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14782394 pjcas18 said:
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nowhere in your link does it suggest they asked the players to do anything - it was scouts they asked according to the article - and in the MLB report it says it was a players meeting "including Carols Beltran" where the plan was discussed.


Are you suggesting it's a coincidence that:

1. the Houston FO wanted to engage in electronic sign stealing.

and then

2. the players (with a bench coach heavily involved) engaged in electronic sign stealing.

??
Supposedly not on the list  
giantsfan227B : 1/16/2020 4:08 pm : link
According to Andy Martino

Buck Showalter
Dusty Baker
John Gibbons
Bruce Bochy
Terry Collins
Luis Rojas

Possibly
Eduardo Perez (other reports say he is no longer a candidate)
Robin Ventura
Todd Zeile

Basically he said the Mets are in a really really bad spot with 20 days to go before Spring Training opens.
RE: Supposedly not on the list  
Mike in NY : 1/16/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14782407 giantsfan227B said:
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According to Andy Martino

Buck Showalter
Dusty Baker
John Gibbons
Bruce Bochy
Terry Collins
Luis Rojas

Possibly
Eduardo Perez (other reports say he is no longer a candidate)
Robin Ventura
Todd Zeile

Basically he said the Mets are in a really really bad spot with 20 days to go before Spring Training opens.


No love for Bam Bam? Will this be an interim position? Whoever it is will have to deal with having no say in terms of coaches.
RE: RE: Eric  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2020 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14782404 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14782394 pjcas18 said:


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nowhere in your link does it suggest they asked the players to do anything - it was scouts they asked according to the article - and in the MLB report it says it was a players meeting "including Carols Beltran" where the plan was discussed.




Are you suggesting it's a coincidence that:

1. the Houston FO wanted to engage in electronic sign stealing.

and then

2. the players (with a bench coach heavily involved) engaged in electronic sign stealing.

??


I'm not suggesting anything other than what we know as facts and the MLB report probably would have mentioned the front office initiated it, and they made no such claims.

RE: RE: You  
DanMetroMan : 1/16/2020 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14782389 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14782384 DanMetroMan said:


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know what's wild? Kevin Goldstein privately broke the Beltran signing with the Mets news to me back in 2005.



Was he the same guy who used to send out those baseball prospect updates each day for Baseball Prospectus (or someone)?


Same guy, his Astros job was originally offered to Keith Law, Goldstein took it when Law declined. Always very nice and responsive to me when he had the newsletter.
Drewcon  
Bill2 : 1/16/2020 4:23 pm : link
Agree. It sucks and is unearned for Mets fans. But I think this path works out best for them. Sweep Atlanta or the Nationals and everyone will forget it!!
...  
BrettNYG10 : 1/16/2020 4:27 pm : link
Sweep Atlanta

No.
RE: Yankee fan here  
PhiPsi125 : 1/16/2020 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14782366 Bill2 said:
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Rory: Is the reason Yankee fans are on the radio because they lost in hard fought close playoffs to the systemically cheating Astros? Isnt that more the fuel than any animus to the Mets who did nothing except maybe not enough due diligence on Beltran or they honorably took his word for it?

I don't know that's why imm asking. I don't dislike the Mets and don't understand the reverse take either

PhilPsi: You are aware your takes/bias and rationales are quite emotional? Or not?



Bill, it's a fair question. I'm sure that my responses do come off emotional at times but you can lump most the posters on the site in that group. My initial response was actually to another Mets fan, however.

I stayed away from these threads for a while because they fell into the predictable Mets fan/Yanks fan pissing match. But there's a lot of garbage on here, from both sides. Personally, I'm not as outraged by it but I can understand why Yankee fans would feel slighted by a possible missed opportunity.

But then I'm hearing that Cleveland (and apparently all other teams) knew that the Astros were doing this and the Indians would just change their signs. I'm not naive enough to believe that the league wasn't aware of this. They were. Or that other teams didn't know about it. They did. Or that plenty of other teams were also doing it. They were.

I'm sure plenty more information is going to come out. Should be interesting.
Coming out now that  
Metnut : 1/16/2020 5:01 pm : link
Beltran really wanted to stay and tried to convince the Mets that he could take the heat and still do a good job. Mets were adamant about moving on.
PhiPhil  
Bill2 : 1/16/2020 5:24 pm : link
Yeah. You and I have seen the site when the rabid edges of the fan base made night after night "strikes" trolling the threads of the other team.

Its not a form of interaction in understand.

Now that the Mets are better ( the Yankees likely to be) there are reasons to brag and temptations to spread the emotions.

Hope our summer doesn't have a return to that ( and turbo charged for the NYG have not given any of us much in recent years).

As for this Beltran situation...its not an injury to a major player. Its not a change in how good a team you can field. I just don't think its a negative. Its an emotional suck and after years of bad luck we all tend to categorize sudden change as a loss ...but upon analysis I don't think it is.

RE: Coming out now that  
jpkmets : 1/16/2020 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14782497 Metnut said:
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Beltran really wanted to stay and tried to convince the Mets that he could take the heat and still do a good job. Mets were adamant about moving on.

This whole thing is a shame. I liked Carlos a ton and think he will make (or would have made) a good manager. But I do understand this. Mets are coming off a great second half and, other than Beltran, the enormous story has nothing to do with them.

I feel bad for Betances if him wanting to play for Beltran weighed in his decision to sign.

I feel genuinely sad for Carlos, but this is all avoided if he doesn’t cheat. Personally I’d see if Perez is interested. Otherwise maybe hire Collins for the year and do the search again next year, hopefully when Cohen is more involved.

Shame Fiers didn’t come clean before Girardi was passed on.
RE: Coming out now that  
jpkmets : 1/16/2020 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14782497 Metnut said:
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Beltran really wanted to stay and tried to convince the Mets that he could take the heat and still do a good job. Mets were adamant about moving on.

This whole thing is a shame. I liked Carlos a ton and think he will make (or would have made) a good manager. But I do understand this. Mets are coming off a great second half and, other than Beltran, the enormous story has nothing to do with them.

I feel bad for Betances if him wanting to play for Beltran weighed in his decision to sign.

I feel genuinely sad for Carlos, but this is all avoided if he doesn’t cheat. Personally I’d see if Perez is interested. Otherwise maybe hire Collins for the year and do the search again next year, hopefully when Cohen is more involved.

Shame Fiers didn’t come clean before Girardi was passed on.
RE: Coming out now that  
Rory : 1/16/2020 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14782497 Metnut said:
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Beltran really wanted to stay and tried to convince the Mets that he could take the heat and still do a good job. Mets were adamant about moving on.


ugh, stealing signs or not Mets just blew a huge opportunity to take control of the situation and are going to lose out on the manager who was going to bring this team to greatness.

I truly believed we had turned the corner
RE: Beltran  
Photoguy : 1/16/2020 6:24 pm : link
In comment 14781964 figgy2989 said:
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Yet, players that are still on that Astros rosters go unscathed.

With all the outrage that is out there in the public over this whole thing, away fans better berate the Astros whenever they are on the road this year.


It's going to be hell on wheels for them in Yankee Stadium.
RE: My point being  
HomerJones45 : 1/16/2020 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14782381 Bill2 said:
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That Beltran was highly regarded as a baseball help by players and organizations for years.

It might have been easy to assume he was the same old Beltran.

And he the person likely is. He was too close to the flames and im guessing here stonewalled higher ups that asked.

Natural when you are close to being named to your dream and you have contributed to baseball for so long.

All in all...missing his level of involvement is not a terrible mistake and terminating a major distraction before spring training when it would be a non stop media bombardment...smart organizational move that puts the players and fans first

imo
+1. I don't see how this reflects badly on the Mets at all.
I'm really  
MookGiants : 1/16/2020 7:14 pm : link
puzzled at anyone who thinks the Mets were clueless or wrong for getting rid of him.

He's a rookie manager whose credibility took a major hit before he ever even got to spring training.

Anyone who thinks this story was going away in a week is out of their minds. This wasn't going away anytime soon.

It would have been a distraction to the team. When you have zero experience, you're not going to survive this shit storm.
Shame it went down like this...  
ZGiants98 : 1/16/2020 8:09 pm : link
Only concern is the Mets though and what's going to happen on the field. Get a competent manager that isnt going to personally sabotage multiple games for us like we've been used to lately, and Ill still be happy and ready to kick off this season.

Would really like Buck at this point.
Beltran asked to stay on as MGR  
giantsfan227B : 1/16/2020 8:17 pm : link
Chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon said Beltran and the Mets “mutually decided to part ways.” A source close to Beltran said Beltran wanted to stay, but the Mets insisted on a breakup, wanting to avoid the distraction of what they saw as an untenable situation. Beltran was manager for 77 days and zero games.

Something does smell right in Metsville (Messville). I don't believe for 1 second that MLB had no say in this. Mets ownership went to MLB offices yesterday to get clarity and then decided he needs to go. Beltran did what he was asked to do. MLB publicly said he would face no suspension but BVW and Wilpon were very coy when it came to the conversations with MLB. MLB is not being very transparent which always suggests to me something is going on.

The worst part is that MLB didn't clue the Mets in at any point over the last few months and left them hanging. It's one thing to nail Houston and Boston but why are the Mets suffering? It is because Wilpon has no spine. For a guy that is so image conscious, he sure makes a lot of boneheaded decisions.When they said Beltran was sad I always felt he was sad he lost this opportunity.

At the end of the day what does this highlight. The Mets are a Mickey Mouse organization owned by spineless owners and there is no reason a manager or player should come to the NYM until they sell in a couple of years.
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RE: Beltran asked to stay on as MGR  
giantsfan227B : 1/16/2020 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14782722 giantsfan227B said:
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Chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon said Beltran and the Mets “mutually decided to part ways.” A source close to Beltran said Beltran wanted to stay, but the Mets insisted on a breakup, wanting to avoid the distraction of what they saw as an untenable situation. Beltran was manager for 77 days and zero games.

Something does smell right in Metsville (Messville). I don't believe for 1 second that MLB had no say in this. Mets ownership went to MLB offices yesterday to get clarity and then decided he needs to go. Beltran did what he was asked to do. MLB publicly said he would face no suspension but BVW and Wilpon were very coy when it came to the conversations with MLB. MLB is not being very transparent which always suggests to me something is going on.

The worst part is that MLB didn't clue the Mets in at any point over the last few months and left them hanging. It's one thing to nail Houston and Boston but why are the Mets suffering? It is because Wilpon has no spine. For a guy that is so image conscious, he sure makes a lot of boneheaded decisions.When they said Beltran was sad I always felt he was sad he lost this opportunity.

At the end of the day what does this highlight. The Mets are a Mickey Mouse organization owned by spineless owners and there is no reason a manager or player should come to the NYM until they sell in a couple of years. Link - ( New Window )


Doesn't smell right.
RE: RE: Beltran asked to stay on as MGR  
Shecky : 1/16/2020 8:44 pm : link
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Doesn't smell right.



spill the beans  
Eric on Li : 1/16/2020 9:06 pm : link
k thx.
...  
ZGiants98 : 1/16/2020 10:32 pm : link
keith Hernandez

@keithhernandez
Everybody, calm down. This current crisis is unfortunate to the nth degree, but not insurmountable. We have a solid team, good core of young everyday players, mixed with veterans, and a solid rotation. They have great camaraderie, spirit, a will to win, and they’re hungry
..  
ZGiants98 : 1/16/2020 10:35 pm : link
@keithhernandez
This will all iron itself out. So sit back, enjoy life. Life is good. Stop stressing. Our season will hinge on our bullpen. Betances is a good gamble and he’s pitched in NY. Atlanta and Washington lost key offensive players. Division wide open and very competitive. So relax
Luis Rojas is intriguing to me now  
Rflairr : 1/17/2020 12:08 pm : link
I don’t want guys like Baker or Murphy
is it coincidence that  
Rory : 1/17/2020 12:16 pm : link
Eduardo Perez was not on the lead off spot this morning? ha
If Buck isn't an option,  
Pete in MD : 1/17/2020 12:20 pm : link
I would just promote Hensley Meulens, make DeFrancesco bench coach, and Rojas 1st base coach. Apparently, Bam Bam is being strongly considered for the Red Sox managerial position. MassLive gives him the second best odds behind Jason Varitek.
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Ha! I just looked at that list...  
Drewcon40 : 1/17/2020 12:24 pm : link
..Tim Bogar!! I forgot how his name was the hot candidate for 2 or 3 days.
I know he wants no part of it  
arniefez : 1/17/2020 12:29 pm : link
but Keith would be an incredible in game manager and his post game PCs would be must watch.
per michael baron twitter  
pjcas18 : 1/17/2020 12:55 pm : link
RE: RE: My point being  
Eman11 : 1/17/2020 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14782608 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 14782381 Bill2 said:


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That Beltran was highly regarded as a baseball help by players and organizations for years.

It might have been easy to assume he was the same old Beltran.

And he the person likely is. He was too close to the flames and im guessing here stonewalled higher ups that asked.

Natural when you are close to being named to your dream and you have contributed to baseball for so long.

All in all...missing his level of involvement is not a terrible mistake and terminating a major distraction before spring training when it would be a non stop media bombardment...smart organizational move that puts the players and fans first

imo

+1. I don't see how this reflects badly on the Mets at all.


The only way it reflects badly on them to me is they either knew all about this or should've known.before or during the Beltran hire.

BVW is supposedly tight with Hinch as is Jessica Mendiza. I find it a bit hard to believe BVW or Mendoza didn't at least hear some whispers or given a heads up during the Beltran interview process.

If somehow they didn't know anything it begs the question why didn't they? It's not like this thing came out of the clear blue sky.


RE: RE: RE: My point being  
Rory : 1/17/2020 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14783550 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14782381 Bill2 said:


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That Beltran was highly regarded as a baseball help by players and organizations for years.

It might have been easy to assume he was the same old Beltran.

And he the person likely is. He was too close to the flames and im guessing here stonewalled higher ups that asked.

Natural when you are close to being named to your dream and you have contributed to baseball for so long.

All in all...missing his level of involvement is not a terrible mistake and terminating a major distraction before spring training when it would be a non stop media bombardment...smart organizational move that puts the players and fans first

imo

+1. I don't see how this reflects badly on the Mets at all.



The only way it reflects badly on them to me is they either knew all about this or should've known.before or during the Beltran hire.

BVW is supposedly tight with Hinch as is Jessica Mendiza. I find it a bit hard to believe BVW or Mendoza didn't at least hear some whispers or given a heads up during the Beltran interview process.

If somehow they didn't know anything it begs the question why didn't they? It's not like this thing came out of the clear blue sky.



They absolutely knew, they just can't make that known/public because then the Mets are the team that knew and tried to keep Beltran regardless and had to have their hand forced.

All of a sudden the "lack of integrity bulls-eye" is right back on the Mets
RE: RE: RE: RE: My point being  
Eman11 : 1/17/2020 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14783598 Rory said:
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In comment 14782608 HomerJones45 said:


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That Beltran was highly regarded as a baseball help by players and organizations for years.

It might have been easy to assume he was the same old Beltran.

And he the person likely is. He was too close to the flames and im guessing here stonewalled higher ups that asked.

Natural when you are close to being named to your dream and you have contributed to baseball for so long.

All in all...missing his level of involvement is not a terrible mistake and terminating a major distraction before spring training when it would be a non stop media bombardment...smart organizational move that puts the players and fans first

imo

+1. I don't see how this reflects badly on the Mets at all.



The only way it reflects badly on them to me is they either knew all about this or should've known.before or during the Beltran hire.

BVW is supposedly tight with Hinch as is Jessica Mendiza. I find it a bit hard to believe BVW or Mendoza didn't at least hear some whispers or given a heads up during the Beltran interview process.

If somehow they didn't know anything it begs the question why didn't they? It's not like this thing came out of the clear blue sky.





They absolutely knew, they just can't make that known/public because then the Mets are the team that knew and tried to keep Beltran regardless and had to have their hand forced.

All of a sudden the "lack of integrity bulls-eye" is right back on the Mets


You may be right, and just to be clear I'm not taking a shot at the Mets here. I'd feel the exact same if you replaced "Mets" with any other team.

RE: per michael baron twitter  
giantsfan227B : 1/17/2020 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14783492 pjcas18 said:
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Out of the list below from betonline.ag

Eduardo Perez: +300
Hensley Meulens: +350
Luis Rojas: +400
Tim Bogar: +400
Terry Collins: +700
Tony DeFrancesco: +700
Bruce Bochy: +900
Buck Showalter: +900
Dusty Baker: +900
John Gibbons: +1000
Kevin Long: +1200

I think Perez and Muelens make the most sense (hence the strong odds. I want nothing to do with Rojas. He didn't make it past 1st round the last time. Collins to me would be a stop gap until new ownership takes over. To me a waste. Honestly if Bochy was interested I think he could be an interesting choice. World Series winner. Just not sure how he would work with existing coaching staff or analytics.
How about Ozzie Guillén  
Metnut : 1/17/2020 2:37 pm : link
Would at least make the games entertaining.
Perez sounds unlikely right now.  
Pete in MD : 1/17/2020 2:44 pm : link
The Mets Blog
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Eduardo Perez says Mets haven't contacted him, speaks about Carlos Beltran situation http://dlvr.it/RNFNF9
So the Mets were ultimately responsible for the Houston cheating!  
figgy2989 : 1/17/2020 2:56 pm : link
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Hey @TheClemReport how’s this for full circle! Mets tried to trade Wilmer Flores for Carlos Gomez in 2015 but Mets back out. Milwaukee sends Gomez to Houston with Mike Fiers who exposed the scandal thus leading to the dominos falling including Beltran’s dismissal! Wow!!
Showalter stands out but I doubt BVW does it  
Eric on Li : 1/17/2020 6:58 pm : link
so it will probably be Rojas or Muelens.

If they truly cared about winning it would be Buck or Dusty. Or give Bochy a call and see if he changed his mind about retirement.
RE: Showalter stands out but I doubt BVW does it  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2020 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14783982 Eric on Li said:
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so it will probably be Rojas or Muelens.

If they truly cared about winning it would be Buck or Dusty. Or give Bochy a call and see if he changed his mind about retirement.

Not intended to be provocative coming from a Yankees fan, but I'm shocked that a fan of any team with a good pitching staff would want Dusty Baker as their manager.
RE: RE: Showalter stands out but I doubt BVW does it  
jpkmets : 1/17/2020 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14783988 Gatorade Dunk said:
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so it will probably be Rojas or Muelens.

If they truly cared about winning it would be Buck or Dusty. Or give Bochy a call and see if he changed his mind about retirement.


Not intended to be provocative coming from a Yankees fan, but I'm shocked that a fan of any team with a good pitching staff would want Dusty Baker as their manager.


Indeed.

Personally, I’d go with Rojas or Perez or Meulens if they truly believe in their long-term abilities.

If not, I’d ask Terry Collins to return for one year and do a proper search next November.

My out of the box choices would be Fonzie and an inquiry to David Wright.
All Dusty does is win  
Eric on Li : 1/17/2020 7:56 pm : link
he wouldn't have been my top choice entering the offseason but 3 weeks before ST I'll take a guy who seems to always win 90+ games. But anyone who can set the lineup card correctly will be an upgrade.
RE: RE: RE: Showalter stands out but I doubt BVW does it  
Rory : 1/17/2020 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14783989 jpkmets said:
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In comment 14783982 Eric on Li said:


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so it will probably be Rojas or Muelens.

If they truly cared about winning it would be Buck or Dusty. Or give Bochy a call and see if he changed his mind about retirement.


Not intended to be provocative coming from a Yankees fan, but I'm shocked that a fan of any team with a good pitching staff would want Dusty Baker as their manager.



Indeed.

Personally, I’d go with Rojas or Perez or Meulens if they truly believe in their long-term abilities.

If not, I’d ask Terry Collins to return for one year and do a proper search next November.

My out of the box choices would be Fonzie and an inquiry to David Wright.


Probably the only Mets fan saying this but I like the younger approach to hiring a manager who studies analytics.

Analytics has the power to finding flaws and either exposing or correcting.

Mets have a number of players that need to have their techniques studied and tweaked, Beltran was going to be the perfect fit for that need.

Rojas could be the next best option, however whoever they hire they better lean on Meulens when deciding.
Disagree - in this org the most important thing is a strong culture  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2020 10:00 am : link
and credible experience in building that. The Wilpons are well known clowns. BVW is good at the microphone and may have a team of people to help him make some good decisions here and there, but he knows nothing about how to build a culture in a lockerroom. He simply hasn't done it or been around it.

A young guy with fresh ideas can certainly work, baseball managing isn't the most complicated job in the sports world - but they also don't have experience with the media and can get overwhelmed here. Or not know how to be the right kind of leader. Or make tactical mistakes from never having managed before.

Callaway just did all of those things over the past 2 years and at least last year I think he honestly cost them the playoffs. I believe his awful leadership and terrible command of in-game decisions cost them a lot more games than a typical manager would. If they had 1 extra win for every time he had to publicly apologize to the team/media last year they'd have won 90.
btw here's how close the mets were to playoffs last year  
Eric on Li : 1/18/2020 10:05 am : link
the Mets were 86-76 with a +54 run differential.

the Brewers made the 2nd WC with a record of 89-73 and just a +3 run differential.

Off the top of my head - twice Callaway apologized for pulling Thor too early with low pitch counts, once in front of the whole team if I'm remembering correctly. He did the same with Matz in a game down the stretch when his pitch could was like in the 70's/80's and I think he had a shutout going for a time. And obviously there's the Nats comeback game where he started the 9th inning with like Seawald - another young guy - and then Avilan vs. a righty.

Not firing him in June - when for the 2nd straight year his team literally went in the tank for him to the point of almost ending the season pre ASB - cost them the playoffs.
I’m coming around to Baker  
jpkmets : 1/18/2020 10:09 am : link
Or another older manager with gravitas as a stop-gap here for one or two years. Cohen will probably want his own GM and manager anyway.

I’d really prefer Collins for one year, but Baker, Bochy, Buck to stabilize the mood and let the club work is the call I think.

86 win team that played .634 ball 2nd half - you just want someone who can minimize the distraction and move forward. I say Collins because he obviously knows the job and his players went hard for him.

But man, ready to get this over and get to camp cause it’s hard not to lose sight of the fact that this team had a great run to end the year and has a good shot at improvement with Betances on board and hopefully a bounce back from at least one of Diaz and Familia.

Braves and Nats both lost some key pieces. They can be in the mix with good health and a bullpen resurgence.

So odd to see three manager vacancies in Jan, let alone the 17 & 18 champs and an 86 win team returning the cy young and ROY.
RE: btw here's how close the mets were to playoffs last year  
Rory : 1/18/2020 11:36 am : link
In comment 14784547 Eric on Li said:
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the Mets were 86-76 with a +54 run differential.

the Brewers made the 2nd WC with a record of 89-73 and just a +3 run differential.

Off the top of my head - twice Callaway apologized for pulling Thor too early with low pitch counts, once in front of the whole team if I'm remembering correctly. He did the same with Matz in a game down the stretch when his pitch could was like in the 70's/80's and I think he had a shutout going for a time. And obviously there's the Nats comeback game where he started the 9th inning with like Seawald - another young guy - and then Avilan vs. a righty.

Not firing him in June - when for the 2nd straight year his team literally went in the tank for him to the point of almost ending the season pre ASB - cost them the playoffs.


I'm not sure about that, I watched alot of post game pressers after wins last year with the Mets.

Mets players knew Callaway was on the hot seat and were playing hard for him and constantly credited him for his coaching moments.

Unrelated to this manager search  
bhill410 : 1/19/2020 3:40 am : link
But seeing that BVW is at it again in opening up talks with pirates. Of note in the article was that he was willing to part with Nimmo but that the pirates wanted prospects. I point this out only to highlight what a bad GM he is.

Also if he somehow trades for Marte and it doesn’t include Nimmo (which no one thinks is a good idea) then it may even be dumber unless there is a parallel trade to remove glut of outfielders.
Are the Mets allowed  
Rory : 1/19/2020 7:48 pm : link
to go back to guys like Bogar/Shelton this late in the season?
RE: I’m coming around to Baker  
Mike in NY : 1/19/2020 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14784555 jpkmets said:
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Or another older manager with gravitas as a stop-gap here for one or two years. Cohen will probably want his own GM and manager anyway.

I’d really prefer Collins for one year, but Baker, Bochy, Buck to stabilize the mood and let the club work is the call I think.

86 win team that played .634 ball 2nd half - you just want someone who can minimize the distraction and move forward. I say Collins because he obviously knows the job and his players went hard for him.

But man, ready to get this over and get to camp cause it’s hard not to lose sight of the fact that this team had a great run to end the year and has a good shot at improvement with Betances on board and hopefully a bounce back from at least one of Diaz and Familia.

Braves and Nats both lost some key pieces. They can be in the mix with good health and a bullpen resurgence.

So odd to see three manager vacancies in Jan, let alone the 17 & 18 champs and an 86 win team returning the cy young and ROY.


Don’t want Baker with this coaching staff. Would be fine with Bochy. I am also comfortable giving Meulens a shot. He coached under Bochy and Mets thought enough of him to bench coach a rookie manager.
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