This is b.s. so when Hinchs suspension is over and he is available to coach again which the so called experts say he will. How is ok to then hire Hinch. Stupid. The Wilsons caved to the media.
This would have hung over the Mets all season. Not a way to start off with a new manager. And let's see what happens with Hinch in actuality. Even though it looks like Cora was the "mastermind", Hinch didn't stop it even if he wasn't behind or smashed a TV. If he was so against it, he should have said to knock it off and then fired Cora when it kept going on. He didn't. And he acted like a prick in the ALCS when it was brought up. Plus, when more comes out that they were still doing it in 2019 with buzzers, Hinch will end up with the same death penalty that Cora is about to get.
to me that the MLB wanted to mention all of the involved players in the report but couldn't or was afraid to because of the player's union. Since Beltran is a former player and no longer covered by the union, he was fair game.
Give me Buck and all will be fine.
No chance, Mr. wants to come in the managers office whenever he wants
Is hiring Buck
To the people saying this was going to get ugly...exactly how? Would have blown over in a week. The Mets should know bad PR better than anyone.
MLB wasn't suspending him- why the hell does he have to lose his job? Gutless decision by the Mets. But go spew more bullshit about "integrity" Wilpons...your son fired a woman over getting pregnant. Scumbag family.
Beltran was going to survive this. This scandal is a huge black eye on baseball and no way was a rookie manager who was a big part of the cheating operation going to keep his job.
The players haven't been disciplined because Manfred wants nothing to do with going head to head against the players association over things like this. Managers dont get that protection.
I dont think the Mets had any choice. Why would they keep a rookie manager as manager when he lost all credibility before they even started spring training
1. Rojas (ick, now I want a strong vet leader after this circus)
2. Terry Collins (never a fan, but now I think this organization needs this type)
3. Hensley Meulens (doesn't seem to have that Wilpon love like Rojas et al.)
4. David Wright (in house like Beltran)
5. Vet Showalter/Baker/etc
To the people saying this was going to get ugly...exactly how? Would have blown over in a week. The Mets should know bad PR better than anyone.
MLB wasn't suspending him- why the hell does he have to lose his job? Gutless decision by the Mets. But go spew more bullshit about "integrity" Wilpons...your son fired a woman over getting pregnant. Scumbag family.
Are you not aware of how much attention this has already gotten from fans, media and players?
This is Black Sox bad. Worse than the PED era to people who don't cheat.
Beltran was going to survive this. This scandal is a huge black eye on baseball and no way was a rookie manager who was a big part of the cheating operation going to keep his job.
The players haven't been disciplined because Manfred wants nothing to do with going head to head against the players association over things like this. Managers dont get that protection.
I dont think the Mets had any choice. Why would they keep a rookie manager as manager when he lost all credibility before they even started spring training
Beltran was going to survive this. This scandal is a huge black eye on baseball and no way was a rookie manager who was a big part of the cheating operation going to keep his job.
The players haven't been disciplined because Manfred wants nothing to do with going head to head against the players association over things like this. Managers dont get that protection.
I dont think the Mets had any choice. Why would they keep a rookie manager as manager when he lost all credibility before they even started spring training
This would have blown over by next weekend or even sooner if the Mets released a statement in support of Beltran. What the hell are you talking about?
they have no true north star, they have no core values, they have only half-hearted attempts to "win" without investing any of the necessary reforms to make it happen. As much as people bitch about the Mara's, the Wilpons are an example of what a truly f'd up organization looks like. The mistakes are a feature, not a bug.
They hired BVW a year ago bc he sold them by being media savvy, not with any actual credentials.
BVW bought in on Beltran for a lot of reasons, but a few of them were that he was willing to fit into the mets f'd up hierarchy, he was media friendly, and he was cheap.
2 of those 3 just led to him being canned - so we are where we are again because of the Wilpon culture of doing business.
If that culture was actual no nonsense winning Joe Girardi would have been named manager last summer.
Funny how Mickey Callaway didn't get fired when he basically threatened a reporter and then evolved his story of what happened over 2-3 days.
To the people saying this was going to get ugly...exactly how? Would have blown over in a week. The Mets should know bad PR better than anyone.
MLB wasn't suspending him- why the hell does he have to lose his job? Gutless decision by the Mets. But go spew more bullshit about "integrity" Wilpons...your son fired a woman over getting pregnant. Scumbag family.
No way this blows over in a week. Let's see what happens when the full report is out. They haven't even finished the investigation of the 2018 Red Sox. I'm sure MLB has cozied up to the owners to let them know where this is going. They can't suspend all the players, so they have to go after management. The Astros thing was pretty clearly orchestrated. They announce the suspension and the owner fires them in a press conference less than an hour later. That was staged so the owner can come in and say he didn't know what his employees were doing and fired them and now they are starting over.
The Red Sox had to respond in kind with Cora and now the trickle down to the Mets. This might well be the biggest overall scandal in MLB history when it's all said and done. It's one thing for a guy to roid up and break records (see Bonds). His punishment is he's out of the Hall and everyone knows he cheated. The Astros and Red Sox won championships. The Astros clearly have a huge asterisk on them for 2017. Let's see what comes out about Boston to see if the same thing happens to them. And Jomboy, who has been ahead of all this as the reporting came out (and by indications was being leaked stuff himself to look for because organizations wanted to get after Houston...not just the Yankees, and he kept the pressure on MLB not to bury this) and he said he has heard from several sources that the buzzer story on Houston was true in 2019. If you found out that Altuve knew that Chapman was throwing an offspeed pitch in Game 6, would anyone be surprised? No, because Houston is a proven dirty organization.
You have a fairly new commissioner, you have competition for advertisers and a young audience, no one wants the feel that teams are using technology to cheat to this level. So the hammer is coming down. The Mets happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with Beltran.
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First observation about Carlos Beltran:
Why was he the only player mentioned in Rob Manfred's Astros verdict?
Because MLB clearly was stating: "He lied about this. We promised him immunity so we can't suspend him. But we want the world to know he lied."
10:30 AM - 16 Jan 2020
I don't agree with Stark's take here. So everyone from that 2017 team who had anything to do with this, except Beltran, decided to rat on Cora and Hinch?
Beltran was going to survive this. This scandal is a huge black eye on baseball and no way was a rookie manager who was a big part of the cheating operation going to keep his job.
The players haven't been disciplined because Manfred wants nothing to do with going head to head against the players association over things like this. Managers dont get that protection.
I dont think the Mets had any choice. Why would they keep a rookie manager as manager when he lost all credibility before they even started spring training
With whom did he lose credibility? He hasn't even started the job yet. Being fully aware of what's expected, he should've been allowed to do the job.
To the people saying this was going to get ugly...exactly how? Would have blown over in a week. The Mets should know bad PR better than anyone.
MLB wasn't suspending him- why the hell does he have to lose his job? Gutless decision by the Mets. But go spew more bullshit about "integrity" Wilpons...your son fired a woman over getting pregnant. Scumbag family.
Are you not aware of how much attention this has already gotten from fans, media and players?
This is Black Sox bad. Worse than the PED era to people who don't cheat.
JFC...some of your are out of your mind. This team video-relayed the catchers pitch calls electronically to hitters or whatever. Something that is ALREADY DONE by baserunners with their eyes. And it's completely okay. Yes, I get the difference - but the intent is the same. But to compare this to the Black Sox scandal or an entire ERA of records tainted by illegal performance enhancing drugs is a bit off. Nah...way way off. Not even in the same stratosphere. So much outrage.
Trying to justify how "wrong" the wrongdoing is. "It's all cheating and bad, but this cheating is worse (because someone else did it). The other cheating I'm okay with (because I was part of it)." So indicative of where we are in this country.
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First observation about Carlos Beltran:
Why was he the only player mentioned in Rob Manfred's Astros verdict?
Because MLB clearly was stating: "He lied about this. We promised him immunity so we can't suspend him. But we want the world to know he lied."
10:30 AM - 16 Jan 2020
I don't agree with Stark's take here. So everyone from that 2017 team who had anything to do with this, except Beltran, decided to rat on Cora and Hinch?
He's the only player because he's a former player. wont have beef with the players association
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Im told to stay quiet but I refuse sorry Tio Jose Altuve and Bregman wore devices that buzzed on inside right shoulder from hallway video guy.
based on the facts we already know. If he was honest with investigators then he could have been honest about his role and apologized. You are 100% correct that a lot of this depends upon whatever is in the full report, but knowing what we know about how this all came from the top down in Houston, it's hard for me to place enough blame on Beltran for him to lose his job over it.
IMO the only analogous sports situations are some of the things the Patriots have done, and this is like a combination of delfategate and spygate rolled into 1.
The same way Brady took too far what had been a normal practice of manipulating the football by QBs/Ks, Houston took sign stealing too far. Like spygate there was organizational endorsement of practices that went outside the gray area with the utilization of technology. In Brady's case the deflating of the balls wouldn't have happened without him. Period. A punishment was warranted. In deflategate the organization deserved a punishment.
In this case I find it hard to assess that any of this would have been stopped if Beltran didn't take part in it, which isn't the end all be all means of judging the punishment, but it seems wild to me that he is going to have such a severe punishment of losing his job beyond the majority of the principals who deserve the blame at the top of the Houston organization. And I don't trust the Mets FO to judge this fairly because they are always over concerned with random media perceptions. So I guess we wait to see what else comes out re: Beltran's role, but i'm skeptical anything different enough than what we already know will change the equation.
that Altuve and Bregman wore devices that buzzed on inside right shoulder.
I guess that's why Altuve famously didn't want teammates ripping his jersey off after the walk-off HR against Chapman. Fuck that entire franchise, and God bless Jomboy and Beltran's niece.
that Altuve and Bregman wore devices that buzzed on inside right shoulder.
I guess that's why Altuve famously didn't want teammates ripping his jersey off after the walk-off HR against Chapman. Fuck that entire franchise, and God bless Jomboy and Beltran's niece.
Jomboy's been saying almost from the beginning that he had players telling him that.
to me that the MLB wanted to mention all of the involved players in the report but couldn't or was afraid to because of the player's union. Since Beltran is a former player and no longer covered by the union, he was fair game.
Give me Buck and all will be fine.
No chance, Mr. wants to come in the managers office whenever he wants
Is hiring Buck
I think it's more the reverse. No way Buck would take the job work for a "Mr. wants to go in the managers office whenever he wants "
Plus I doubt the Mets would pay what Buck is probably looking for in salary.
I think it'll either be Rojas, Perez and maybe even Collins again.
that Altuve and Bregman wore devices that buzzed on inside right shoulder.
I guess that's why Altuve famously didn't want teammates ripping his jersey off after the walk-off HR against Chapman. Fuck that entire franchise, and God bless Jomboy and Beltran's niece.
Yup, as I mentioned above. They were cheating (again). Hinch won't be back in MLB.
Which actually makes the Nationals win that much more impressive. That said, when you are facing something like this, you are probably too distracted to feel the buzzer go off
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Beltran's niece tweeting about the buzzers, which matches up with what Ive been told from about 5 different parties.
based on the facts we already know. If he was honest with investigators then he could have been honest about his role and apologized. You are 100% correct that a lot of this depends upon whatever is in the full report, but knowing what we know about how this all came from the top down in Houston, it's hard for me to place enough blame on Beltran for him to lose his job over it.
IMO the only analogous sports situations are some of the things the Patriots have done, and this is like a combination of delfategate and spygate rolled into 1.
The same way Brady took too far what had been a normal practice of manipulating the football by QBs/Ks, Houston took sign stealing too far. Like spygate there was organizational endorsement of practices that went outside the gray area with the utilization of technology. In Brady's case the deflating of the balls wouldn't have happened without him. Period. A punishment was warranted. In deflategate the organization deserved a punishment.
In this case I find it hard to assess that any of this would have been stopped if Beltran didn't take part in it, which isn't the end all be all means of judging the punishment, but it seems wild to me that he is going to have such a severe punishment of losing his job beyond the majority of the principals who deserve the blame at the top of the Houston organization. And I don't trust the Mets FO to judge this fairly because they are always over concerned with random media perceptions. So I guess we wait to see what else comes out re: Beltran's role, but i'm skeptical anything different enough than what we already know will change the equation.
Deflategate was reaction to systematic cheating over years and a threat to cut the crap out. It came out that many QBs would mess with the balls and it wasn't that big of a deal. But all the years of all the crap the Patriots would do resulted in that suspension.
I do agree that this is somewhat more in line with the video taping that the Pats did, but again, remember the stories that even Carl Banks mentioned when he said Rex Ryan as a youngster used to get a room at the hotel across Route 3 that saw the Giants practice field during the Eagles week and Parcells knew about it. Hell, the Giants had the rumors of messing with the doors at Giants Stadium for opposing field goals to screw with the winds. There is always some level of "gamesmanship", which is usually policed by the teams.
In this case, the Astros from the top down wanted to come up with a cheating scheme to tell hitters what pitch was coming in real time. And every pitch. That's waaaaaaaaay further than anything that has been seen before when a guy on 2nd can figure out the signs or a pitcher has a "tell".
Again, wait for the full report to come out. And even now with Beltran's niece blowing the doors off on Altuve and Bregman (which those 2 were specifically rumored as trusted team members). Go back and watch the home run and see how Altuve didn't want his jersey ripped off. This will haunt the Astros all season and I wouldn't be surprised to see them fold under this pressure. That was part of what the Mets would have to deal with just having Beltran around.
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Beltran's niece tweeting about the buzzers, which matches up with what Ive been told from about 5 different parties.
11:09 AM - 16 Jan 2020
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Ive heard this from multiple parties too, for what its worth...
To the people saying this was going to get ugly...exactly how? Would have blown over in a week. The Mets should know bad PR better than anyone.
MLB wasn't suspending him- why the hell does he have to lose his job? Gutless decision by the Mets. But go spew more bullshit about "integrity" Wilpons...your son fired a woman over getting pregnant. Scumbag family.
Are you not aware of how much attention this has already gotten from fans, media and players?
This is Black Sox bad. Worse than the PED era to people who don't cheat.
JFC...some of your are out of your mind. This team video-relayed the catchers pitch calls electronically to hitters or whatever. Something that is ALREADY DONE by baserunners with their eyes. And it's completely okay. Yes, I get the difference - but the intent is the same. But to compare this to the Black Sox scandal or an entire ERA of records tainted by illegal performance enhancing drugs is a bit off. Nah...way way off. Not even in the same stratosphere. So much outrage.
Trying to justify how "wrong" the wrongdoing is. "It's all cheating and bad, but this cheating is worse (because someone else did it). The other cheating I'm okay with (because I was part of it)." So indicative of where we are in this country.
Yeah. Youre wrong about it being just like stealing signs. They had devices attached to their bodys that would buzz to let them know what pitch was coming.
But please, give us another long diatribe about how this is, indicative of where we are in this country.
Likely Luis Rojas
This would have hung over the Mets all season. Not a way to start off with a new manager. And let's see what happens with Hinch in actuality. Even though it looks like Cora was the "mastermind", Hinch didn't stop it even if he wasn't behind or smashed a TV. If he was so against it, he should have said to knock it off and then fired Cora when it kept going on. He didn't. And he acted like a prick in the ALCS when it was brought up. Plus, when more comes out that they were still doing it in 2019 with buzzers, Hinch will end up with the same death penalty that Cora is about to get.
Give me Buck and all will be fine.
No chance, Mr. wants to come in the managers office whenever he wants
Is hiring Buck
A total joke.
Players on that team who participated in this for years, got nothing but awards and fat contracts elsewhere.
Hell Espada served on the coaching staff for 2 years while this went on and got a promotion out of the deal!
MLB wasn't suspending him- why the hell does he have to lose his job? Gutless decision by the Mets. But go spew more bullshit about "integrity" Wilpons...your son fired a woman over getting pregnant. Scumbag family.
The players haven't been disciplined because Manfred wants nothing to do with going head to head against the players association over things like this. Managers dont get that protection.
I dont think the Mets had any choice. Why would they keep a rookie manager as manager when he lost all credibility before they even started spring training
2. Terry Collins (never a fan, but now I think this organization needs this type)
3. Hensley Meulens (doesn't seem to have that Wilpon love like Rojas et al.)
4. David Wright (in house like Beltran)
5. Vet Showalter/Baker/etc
MLB wasn't suspending him- why the hell does he have to lose his job? Gutless decision by the Mets. But go spew more bullshit about "integrity" Wilpons...your son fired a woman over getting pregnant. Scumbag family.
Are you not aware of how much attention this has already gotten from fans, media and players?
This is Black Sox bad. Worse than the PED era to people who don't cheat.
The players haven't been disciplined because Manfred wants nothing to do with going head to head against the players association over things like this. Managers dont get that protection.
I dont think the Mets had any choice. Why would they keep a rookie manager as manager when he lost all credibility before they even started spring training
How so? Manfred was going to suspend him?
The players haven't been disciplined because Manfred wants nothing to do with going head to head against the players association over things like this. Managers dont get that protection.
I dont think the Mets had any choice. Why would they keep a rookie manager as manager when he lost all credibility before they even started spring training
This would have blown over by next weekend or even sooner if the Mets released a statement in support of Beltran. What the hell are you talking about?
They hired BVW a year ago bc he sold them by being media savvy, not with any actual credentials.
BVW bought in on Beltran for a lot of reasons, but a few of them were that he was willing to fit into the mets f'd up hierarchy, he was media friendly, and he was cheap.
2 of those 3 just led to him being canned - so we are where we are again because of the Wilpon culture of doing business.
If that culture was actual no nonsense winning Joe Girardi would have been named manager last summer.
Funny how Mickey Callaway didn't get fired when he basically threatened a reporter and then evolved his story of what happened over 2-3 days.
They won't because for some reason they fired him after winning the NY-Penn league title, but they should.
They won't because for some reason they fired him after winning the NY-Penn league title, but they should.
I could get behind this.
MLB wasn't suspending him- why the hell does he have to lose his job? Gutless decision by the Mets. But go spew more bullshit about "integrity" Wilpons...your son fired a woman over getting pregnant. Scumbag family.
No way this blows over in a week. Let's see what happens when the full report is out. They haven't even finished the investigation of the 2018 Red Sox. I'm sure MLB has cozied up to the owners to let them know where this is going. They can't suspend all the players, so they have to go after management. The Astros thing was pretty clearly orchestrated. They announce the suspension and the owner fires them in a press conference less than an hour later. That was staged so the owner can come in and say he didn't know what his employees were doing and fired them and now they are starting over.
The Red Sox had to respond in kind with Cora and now the trickle down to the Mets. This might well be the biggest overall scandal in MLB history when it's all said and done. It's one thing for a guy to roid up and break records (see Bonds). His punishment is he's out of the Hall and everyone knows he cheated. The Astros and Red Sox won championships. The Astros clearly have a huge asterisk on them for 2017. Let's see what comes out about Boston to see if the same thing happens to them. And Jomboy, who has been ahead of all this as the reporting came out (and by indications was being leaked stuff himself to look for because organizations wanted to get after Houston...not just the Yankees, and he kept the pressure on MLB not to bury this) and he said he has heard from several sources that the buzzer story on Houston was true in 2019. If you found out that Altuve knew that Chapman was throwing an offspeed pitch in Game 6, would anyone be surprised? No, because Houston is a proven dirty organization.
You have a fairly new commissioner, you have competition for advertisers and a young audience, no one wants the feel that teams are using technology to cheat to this level. So the hammer is coming down. The Mets happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with Beltran.
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First observation about Carlos Beltran:
Why was he the only player mentioned in Rob Manfred's Astros verdict?
Because MLB clearly was stating: "He lied about this. We promised him immunity so we can't suspend him. But we want the world to know he lied."
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First observation about Carlos Beltran:
Why was he the only player mentioned in Rob Manfred's Astros verdict?
Because MLB clearly was stating: "He lied about this. We promised him immunity so we can't suspend him. But we want the world to know he lied."
10:30 AM - 16 Jan 2020
I don't agree with Stark's take here. So everyone from that 2017 team who had anything to do with this, except Beltran, decided to rat on Cora and Hinch?
The players haven't been disciplined because Manfred wants nothing to do with going head to head against the players association over things like this. Managers dont get that protection.
I dont think the Mets had any choice. Why would they keep a rookie manager as manager when he lost all credibility before they even started spring training
With whom did he lose credibility? He hasn't even started the job yet. Being fully aware of what's expected, he should've been allowed to do the job.
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To the people saying this was going to get ugly...exactly how? Would have blown over in a week. The Mets should know bad PR better than anyone.
MLB wasn't suspending him- why the hell does he have to lose his job? Gutless decision by the Mets. But go spew more bullshit about "integrity" Wilpons...your son fired a woman over getting pregnant. Scumbag family.
Are you not aware of how much attention this has already gotten from fans, media and players?
This is Black Sox bad. Worse than the PED era to people who don't cheat.
JFC...some of your are out of your mind. This team video-relayed the catchers pitch calls electronically to hitters or whatever. Something that is ALREADY DONE by baserunners with their eyes. And it's completely okay. Yes, I get the difference - but the intent is the same. But to compare this to the Black Sox scandal or an entire ERA of records tainted by illegal performance enhancing drugs is a bit off. Nah...way way off. Not even in the same stratosphere. So much outrage.
Trying to justify how "wrong" the wrongdoing is. "It's all cheating and bad, but this cheating is worse (because someone else did it). The other cheating I'm okay with (because I was part of it)." So indicative of where we are in this country.
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Why was he the only player mentioned in Rob Manfred's Astros verdict?
Because MLB clearly was stating: "He lied about this. We promised him immunity so we can't suspend him. But we want the world to know he lied."
10:30 AM - 16 Jan 2020
I don't agree with Stark's take here. So everyone from that 2017 team who had anything to do with this, except Beltran, decided to rat on Cora and Hinch?
He's the only player because he's a former player. wont have beef with the players association
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Im told to stay quiet but I refuse sorry Tio Jose Altuve and Bregman wore devices that buzzed on inside right shoulder from hallway video guy.
Lets get it all out now
1:56pm 16 Jan 2020
IMO the only analogous sports situations are some of the things the Patriots have done, and this is like a combination of delfategate and spygate rolled into 1.
The same way Brady took too far what had been a normal practice of manipulating the football by QBs/Ks, Houston took sign stealing too far. Like spygate there was organizational endorsement of practices that went outside the gray area with the utilization of technology. In Brady's case the deflating of the balls wouldn't have happened without him. Period. A punishment was warranted. In deflategate the organization deserved a punishment.
In this case I find it hard to assess that any of this would have been stopped if Beltran didn't take part in it, which isn't the end all be all means of judging the punishment, but it seems wild to me that he is going to have such a severe punishment of losing his job beyond the majority of the principals who deserve the blame at the top of the Houston organization. And I don't trust the Mets FO to judge this fairly because they are always over concerned with random media perceptions. So I guess we wait to see what else comes out re: Beltran's role, but i'm skeptical anything different enough than what we already know will change the equation.
I guess that's why Altuve famously didn't want teammates ripping his jersey off after the walk-off HR against Chapman. Fuck that entire franchise, and God bless Jomboy and Beltran's niece.
I guess that's why Altuve famously didn't want teammates ripping his jersey off after the walk-off HR against Chapman. Fuck that entire franchise, and God bless Jomboy and Beltran's niece.
Jomboy's been saying almost from the beginning that he had players telling him that.
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to me that the MLB wanted to mention all of the involved players in the report but couldn't or was afraid to because of the player's union. Since Beltran is a former player and no longer covered by the union, he was fair game.
Give me Buck and all will be fine.
No chance, Mr. wants to come in the managers office whenever he wants
Is hiring Buck
I think it's more the reverse. No way Buck would take the job work for a "Mr. wants to go in the managers office whenever he wants "
Plus I doubt the Mets would pay what Buck is probably looking for in salary.
I think it'll either be Rojas, Perez and maybe even Collins again.
I guess that's why Altuve famously didn't want teammates ripping his jersey off after the walk-off HR against Chapman. Fuck that entire franchise, and God bless Jomboy and Beltran's niece.
Yup, as I mentioned above. They were cheating (again). Hinch won't be back in MLB.
Which actually makes the Nationals win that much more impressive. That said, when you are facing something like this, you are probably too distracted to feel the buzzer go off
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Beltran's niece tweeting about the buzzers, which matches up with what Ive been told from about 5 different parties.
11:09 AM - 16 Jan 2020
IMO the only analogous sports situations are some of the things the Patriots have done, and this is like a combination of delfategate and spygate rolled into 1.
The same way Brady took too far what had been a normal practice of manipulating the football by QBs/Ks, Houston took sign stealing too far. Like spygate there was organizational endorsement of practices that went outside the gray area with the utilization of technology. In Brady's case the deflating of the balls wouldn't have happened without him. Period. A punishment was warranted. In deflategate the organization deserved a punishment.
In this case I find it hard to assess that any of this would have been stopped if Beltran didn't take part in it, which isn't the end all be all means of judging the punishment, but it seems wild to me that he is going to have such a severe punishment of losing his job beyond the majority of the principals who deserve the blame at the top of the Houston organization. And I don't trust the Mets FO to judge this fairly because they are always over concerned with random media perceptions. So I guess we wait to see what else comes out re: Beltran's role, but i'm skeptical anything different enough than what we already know will change the equation.
Deflategate was reaction to systematic cheating over years and a threat to cut the crap out. It came out that many QBs would mess with the balls and it wasn't that big of a deal. But all the years of all the crap the Patriots would do resulted in that suspension.
I do agree that this is somewhat more in line with the video taping that the Pats did, but again, remember the stories that even Carl Banks mentioned when he said Rex Ryan as a youngster used to get a room at the hotel across Route 3 that saw the Giants practice field during the Eagles week and Parcells knew about it. Hell, the Giants had the rumors of messing with the doors at Giants Stadium for opposing field goals to screw with the winds. There is always some level of "gamesmanship", which is usually policed by the teams.
In this case, the Astros from the top down wanted to come up with a cheating scheme to tell hitters what pitch was coming in real time. And every pitch. That's waaaaaaaaay further than anything that has been seen before when a guy on 2nd can figure out the signs or a pitcher has a "tell".
Again, wait for the full report to come out. And even now with Beltran's niece blowing the doors off on Altuve and Bregman (which those 2 were specifically rumored as trusted team members). Go back and watch the home run and see how Altuve didn't want his jersey ripped off. This will haunt the Astros all season and I wouldn't be surprised to see them fold under this pressure. That was part of what the Mets would have to deal with just having Beltran around.
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Beltran's niece tweeting about the buzzers, which matches up with what Ive been told from about 5 different parties.
11:09 AM - 16 Jan 2020
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Ive heard this from multiple parties too, for what its worth...
2:17pm 16 Jan 2020
This was interesting, too, though who the hell knows if it's true - Scott Brosius' son throwing out some accusations.
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To the people saying this was going to get ugly...exactly how? Would have blown over in a week. The Mets should know bad PR better than anyone.
MLB wasn't suspending him- why the hell does he have to lose his job? Gutless decision by the Mets. But go spew more bullshit about "integrity" Wilpons...your son fired a woman over getting pregnant. Scumbag family.
Are you not aware of how much attention this has already gotten from fans, media and players?
This is Black Sox bad. Worse than the PED era to people who don't cheat.
JFC...some of your are out of your mind. This team video-relayed the catchers pitch calls electronically to hitters or whatever. Something that is ALREADY DONE by baserunners with their eyes. And it's completely okay. Yes, I get the difference - but the intent is the same. But to compare this to the Black Sox scandal or an entire ERA of records tainted by illegal performance enhancing drugs is a bit off. Nah...way way off. Not even in the same stratosphere. So much outrage.
Trying to justify how "wrong" the wrongdoing is. "It's all cheating and bad, but this cheating is worse (because someone else did it). The other cheating I'm okay with (because I was part of it)." So indicative of where we are in this country.
Yeah. Youre wrong about it being just like stealing signs. They had devices attached to their bodys that would buzz to let them know what pitch was coming.
But please, give us another long diatribe about how this is, indicative of where we are in this country.
LMFAO.
this team already has been designed internally within the Mets org, coaches players system analytics.
whoever comes to take the reins is going to be an internal candidate, not Buck Showalter
Showalter is interviewing in Boston. Same situation. Money talks.
Yup. He should be fired. Im tired of his shit
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