It was. Rangers played an amazing game. And Trouba: soon as I made my wisecrack he comes up with three pretty good plays. Isles do not look impressive.
Butch Goring is extremely annoying. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Rangers had the better of the play from the second period on yet, all he wanted to talk about was how well the Islanders were in control and dominated the play. really? And in a lot of cases the Rangers were lucky.
As far as the cross check on Brassard he whacked Jesper Fast twice. The ref gave him the benefit of the doubt on the first, which I had no problem with one, but when he hit Fast the second time he went down hard face first and just missed face planting into the boards. Conversely Goring conveniently said nothing when Kreider was kneed and Panarin was called for embellishment which was a bullshit call and led to the Islander tying goal.
Butch Goring is extremely annoying. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Rangers had the better of the play from the second period on yet, all he wanted to talk about was how well the Islanders were in control and dominated the play. really? And in a lot of cases the Rangers were lucky.
As far as the cross check on Brassard he whacked Jesper Fast twice. The ref gave him the benefit of the doubt on the first, which I had no problem with one, but when he hit Fast the second time he went down hard face first and just missed face planting into the boards. Conversely Goring conveniently said nothing when Kreider was kneed and Panarin was called for embellishment which was a bullshit call and led to the Islander tying goal.
Butch actually said Boychuk got away with one there and it was a stupid play on his part
Islanders have to match the intensity of the Rangers (this game is NYR's Stanley Cup, after all, since playoffs don't appear in the cards again this year for them). Analytics put Isles up over 60% EG but scoreboard rules at the end of the day. NYR's goalie looks like a keeper (yuck, another one for them?).
Refs shouldn't have called the late penalty but Brassard should know better than to put himself in that position and Isles could, of course, have killed it.
Maybe third time will be a charm next week? Isles have games vs WSH and @Car coming up, so they'll they are at risk of getting into a bit of a slide here and falling closer to the wild card teams rather than home ice.
Butch Goring is extremely annoying. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Rangers had the better of the play from the second period on yet, all he wanted to talk about was how well the Islanders were in control and dominated the play. really? And in a lot of cases the Rangers were lucky.
Butch is a grade A homer. I can imagine how he'd drive an NYR fan nuts while watching the game. I respect everything he's done for NYI but wish we had a better color guy.
Butch is a cool dude though. One time was tailgating at the Coliseum with a large group of friends and Butch pulls up in a Lexus SUV and had a beer with us and took pictures. We totally unsolicited and random.
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Butch Goring is extremely annoying. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Rangers had the better of the play from the second period on yet, all he wanted to talk about was how well the Islanders were in control and dominated the play. really? And in a lot of cases the Rangers were lucky.
Butch is a grade A homer....
Not sure it was Goring or pbp guy, but the comment toward the end of the 2nd was how the Rangers had the better of the play by far in the period.
Islanders have to match the intensity of the Rangers (this game is NYR's Stanley Cup, after all, since playoffs don't appear in the cards again this year for them). Analytics put Isles up over 60% EG but scoreboard rules at the end of the day. NYR's goalie looks like a keeper (yuck, another one for them?).
Refs shouldn't have called the late penalty but Brassard should know better than to put himself in that position and Isles could, of course, have killed it.
Maybe third time will be a charm next week? Isles have games vs WSH and @Car coming up, so they'll they are at risk of getting into a bit of a slide here and falling closer to the wild card teams rather than home ice.
As a Rangers fan I agree this is our Stanley cup but I think we have the brighter future. The isles don't have the offensive talent to be true contenders. And they've struck out three times trying to keep/get some (Tavares, Stone, Panarin) and likely aren't bad enough to get a gamebreaker in the draft. Rangers on the other hand have the potential for plenty of high end skill with kravstov, Chytil, Kakko, this years draft pick to go with Zibby, Panarin, Deangelo and Fox.
Islanders have to match the intensity of the Rangers (this game is NYR's Stanley Cup, after all, since playoffs don't appear in the cards again this year for them). Analytics put Isles up over 60% EG but scoreboard rules at the end of the day. NYR's goalie looks like a keeper (yuck, another one for them?).
Refs shouldn't have called the late penalty but Brassard should know better than to put himself in that position and Isles could, of course, have killed it.
Maybe third time will be a charm next week? Isles have games vs WSH and @Car coming up, so they'll they are at risk of getting into a bit of a slide here and falling closer to the wild card teams rather than home ice.
As a Rangers fan I agree this is our Stanley cup but I think we have the brighter future. The isles don't have the offensive talent to be true contenders. And they've struck out three times trying to keep/get some (Tavares, Stone, Panarin) and likely aren't bad enough to get a gamebreaker in the draft. Rangers on the other hand have the potential for plenty of high end skill with kravstov, Chytil, Kakko, this years draft pick to go with Zibby, Panarin, Deangelo and Fox.
Yea, I was just poking fun since NYR fans used to use the "this is their Stanley Cup" as an excuse everytime a bad NYI team beat an NYR team ahead in the standings.
We'll see about the future. NYR absolutely have a promising rebuild but converting that into a contending team can be tricky. I think they've already given our a poor contract to Trouba. IMO, they should push hard for the playoffs next year. Panarin is so good that you don't want to waste any years from him.
Islanders absolutely need additional scoring (either acquired externally or via an internal breakout from a player) to contend this year. Whether they want to make a move for a rental type or not remains to be seen.
With Trotz locked up long term, the Islanders "floor" appears to be pretty high and that says a lot about their future IMO. We've seen time and time again in the NHL that the best team doesn't always win a cup. Put a program together that can make the playoffs every year and you're bound to go on a run at some point if you're well coached.
Islanders have to match the intensity of the Rangers (this game is NYR's Stanley Cup, after all, since playoffs don't appear in the cards again this year for them). Analytics put Isles up over 60% EG but scoreboard rules at the end of the day. NYR's goalie looks like a keeper (yuck, another one for them?).
Refs shouldn't have called the late penalty but Brassard should know better than to put himself in that position and Isles could, of course, have killed it.
Maybe third time will be a charm next week? Isles have games vs WSH and @Car coming up, so they'll they are at risk of getting into a bit of a slide here and falling closer to the wild card teams rather than home ice.
As a Rangers fan I agree this is our Stanley cup but I think we have the brighter future. The isles don't have the offensive talent to be true contenders. And they've struck out three times trying to keep/get some (Tavares, Stone, Panarin) and likely aren't bad enough to get a gamebreaker in the draft. Rangers on the other hand have the potential for plenty of high end skill with kravstov, Chytil, Kakko, this years draft pick to go with Zibby, Panarin, Deangelo and Fox.
I disagree about this being the Rangers' proverbial Stanley Cup. They're only 6 points out with 2 games in hand, and their next game is against the team they're chasing for that spot. That said, this year's success is not as important as next year and the year after when they can truly compete for a Cup again. In the meantime, Panarin and Zibanejad are good enough to carry the team maybe to a playoff spot. It's just a matter of what they decide to do with Kreider and Tony. I would love for them to find a way to keep both, but I don't see that happening. It's a shame that Staal, Smith, Skjei, and Henrik are eating up so much cap space with so little production in return. Because of those contracts, they may have to lose guys like Tony, Kreider, Fast, Georgiev, Strome.
Lemieux will help, but he can't be the only top six forward with some snarl to him. (As good as CK is, he doesn't play a physical game except in front of the net.)
RE: The Rangers desperately need more forwards with size and grit. Â
Lemieux will help, but he can't be the only top six forward with some snarl to him. (As good as CK is, he doesn't play a physical game except in front of the net.)
I like Nick Ritchie as an option for the third line. What about Julian Gauthier (6'4", 225 lbs) for Kreider?
I think Carolina has the best future in the division. They are already really good and they are young all over the place.
Not worried about Carolina long term. They don’t have the budget or brand name to keep the group together like most franchises can. They already nearly lost Aho.
Would trade George and keep 37 year old declining Hank? Georgie At 23 is better right now.
Don’t get me wrong, as a Leafs fan, I’m excited to welcome Georgie should the trade finally happen.
I know you like asking questions and then, for some reason, ignoring the responses, but this was explained quite plainly to you. If Georgiev is traded, it's not for the purpose of "keeping" Lundqvist.
Would trade George and keep 37 year old declining Hank? Georgie At 23 is better right now.
Don’t get me wrong, as a Leafs fan, I’m excited to welcome Georgie should the trade finally happen.
I know you like asking questions and then, for some reason, ignoring the responses, but this was explained quite plainly to you. If Georgiev is traded, it's not for the purpose of "keeping" Lundqvist.
I heard that answer. I know it was mentioned it was because Rangers believe they have some hotshot goalie coming up. But still, why not keep the hotshot and Georgie? I mean how much more does Hank have left? Keeping hotshot and Hank doesn’t make sense to me. Next year Hank will be 38....how many 38 year old goalies are playing now?
It seems obvious to me teams need two good goalies and not one to really excel. Look at teams like my Leafs and the Habs who struggle when they play the backup. Making the playoffs is tough with so many good teams.....you can’t afford to play a backup 20 times a year who is a cut below very good.
The Rangers NEVER have to worry about playing their backup because their backup is now actually better than the starter. So, if Rangers trade Georgie, then you have the hotshot goalie presumably taking over and I guess you have 38 year old Hank playing 20 or so games as the backup next year.
To me, this makes no sense. You should tell Hank after this season, so long, thanks for the many great years and then roll out the two young guns for how ever long. And if one gets hurt, youre confident in the next man up.
That is how I see it. But if Ranger fans want to keep Hank on the roster for more years, fine by me. I hope the trade is made while people with that thinking are still in power.
That is how I see it. But if Ranger fans want to keep Hank on the roster for more years, fine by me. I hope the trade is made while people with that thinking are still in power.
I don’t mean this to be antagonistic but I am not sure if you really know the Rangers fans thoughts on this.
First releasing or buying out lundqvist has cap implications. Besides that he also has a non-movement clause which makes trading him a bit more complicated. I think most Ranger fans were ready to move on at least a year ago, perhaps more.
Ideally the Rangers would love to have a tandem of Geotgiev and Shetstyerkin.
It would be nice if Hank agreed to a trade, but he seems committed Â
to staying and has all the power regarding that, aside from if the team were to eat the contract. I might rather eat the Staal contract next season, then let Hank expire after next season.
That is how I see it. But if Ranger fans want to keep Hank on the roster for more years, fine by me. I hope the trade is made while people with that thinking are still in power.
I don’t mean this to be antagonistic but I am not sure if you really know the Rangers fans thoughts on this.
First releasing or buying out lundqvist has cap implications. Besides that he also has a non-movement clause which makes trading him a bit more complicated. I think most Ranger fans were ready to move on at least a year ago, perhaps more.
Ideally the Rangers would love to have a tandem of Geotgiev and Shetstyerkin.
I just noticed this reply. Hey, thanks Drew...very informative Post indeed. You are absolutely right, I was not taking into consideration his no trade clause nor the length of his contract. Obviously, this Trumps what I even think Ranger fans think. And yes, you are right again....I can’t speak for Ranger fans nor should I even try. Thanks for showing me the error of my way here, and for doing it in a polite manner. Much appreciated.
LOL. We're not even playing especially well. We're a Jekyll & Hyde team
These are the same refs that think cross checking someone into the goalpost is only a minor penalty
They sure did!
It was. Rangers played an amazing game. And Trouba: soon as I made my wisecrack he comes up with three pretty good plays. Isles do not look impressive.
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They sure did!
LOL. Not our fault Brassard took a mind-numbingly dumb penalty
Weird take seeing the record the past few years between these teams and the current standings.
Now shut the fuck up, turn off the lights and get to BED!! Get off my thread!!
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Weird take seeing the record the past few years between these teams and the current standings.
Yawn. Get past the second round for the first time in 40 years and then let’s chat.
Suck it fish
As far as the cross check on Brassard he whacked Jesper Fast twice. The ref gave him the benefit of the doubt on the first, which I had no problem with one, but when he hit Fast the second time he went down hard face first and just missed face planting into the boards. Conversely Goring conveniently said nothing when Kreider was kneed and Panarin was called for embellishment which was a bullshit call and led to the Islander tying goal.
As far as the cross check on Brassard he whacked Jesper Fast twice. The ref gave him the benefit of the doubt on the first, which I had no problem with one, but when he hit Fast the second time he went down hard face first and just missed face planting into the boards. Conversely Goring conveniently said nothing when Kreider was kneed and Panarin was called for embellishment which was a bullshit call and led to the Islander tying goal.
Butch actually said Boychuk got away with one there and it was a stupid play on his part
Refs shouldn't have called the late penalty but Brassard should know better than to put himself in that position and Isles could, of course, have killed it.
Maybe third time will be a charm next week? Isles have games vs WSH and @Car coming up, so they'll they are at risk of getting into a bit of a slide here and falling closer to the wild card teams rather than home ice.
Butch is a grade A homer. I can imagine how he'd drive an NYR fan nuts while watching the game. I respect everything he's done for NYI but wish we had a better color guy.
Butch is a cool dude though. One time was tailgating at the Coliseum with a large group of friends and Butch pulls up in a Lexus SUV and had a beer with us and took pictures. We totally unsolicited and random.
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Butch Goring is extremely annoying. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Rangers had the better of the play from the second period on yet, all he wanted to talk about was how well the Islanders were in control and dominated the play. really? And in a lot of cases the Rangers were lucky.
Butch is a grade A homer....
Refs shouldn't have called the late penalty but Brassard should know better than to put himself in that position and Isles could, of course, have killed it.
Maybe third time will be a charm next week? Isles have games vs WSH and @Car coming up, so they'll they are at risk of getting into a bit of a slide here and falling closer to the wild card teams rather than home ice.
As a Rangers fan I agree this is our Stanley cup but I think we have the brighter future. The isles don't have the offensive talent to be true contenders. And they've struck out three times trying to keep/get some (Tavares, Stone, Panarin) and likely aren't bad enough to get a gamebreaker in the draft. Rangers on the other hand have the potential for plenty of high end skill with kravstov, Chytil, Kakko, this years draft pick to go with Zibby, Panarin, Deangelo and Fox.
I think a playoff series would do wonders for this squad in terms of experience.
On a macro level, the Rangers will be ascending as the Caps/Penguins descend in the next few years. This rebuild has gone perfectly so far.
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Islanders have to match the intensity of the Rangers (this game is NYR's Stanley Cup, after all, since playoffs don't appear in the cards again this year for them). Analytics put Isles up over 60% EG but scoreboard rules at the end of the day. NYR's goalie looks like a keeper (yuck, another one for them?).
Refs shouldn't have called the late penalty but Brassard should know better than to put himself in that position and Isles could, of course, have killed it.
Maybe third time will be a charm next week? Isles have games vs WSH and @Car coming up, so they'll they are at risk of getting into a bit of a slide here and falling closer to the wild card teams rather than home ice.
As a Rangers fan I agree this is our Stanley cup but I think we have the brighter future. The isles don't have the offensive talent to be true contenders. And they've struck out three times trying to keep/get some (Tavares, Stone, Panarin) and likely aren't bad enough to get a gamebreaker in the draft. Rangers on the other hand have the potential for plenty of high end skill with kravstov, Chytil, Kakko, this years draft pick to go with Zibby, Panarin, Deangelo and Fox.
Yea, I was just poking fun since NYR fans used to use the "this is their Stanley Cup" as an excuse everytime a bad NYI team beat an NYR team ahead in the standings.
We'll see about the future. NYR absolutely have a promising rebuild but converting that into a contending team can be tricky. I think they've already given our a poor contract to Trouba. IMO, they should push hard for the playoffs next year. Panarin is so good that you don't want to waste any years from him.
Islanders absolutely need additional scoring (either acquired externally or via an internal breakout from a player) to contend this year. Whether they want to make a move for a rental type or not remains to be seen.
With Trotz locked up long term, the Islanders "floor" appears to be pretty high and that says a lot about their future IMO. We've seen time and time again in the NHL that the best team doesn't always win a cup. Put a program together that can make the playoffs every year and you're bound to go on a run at some point if you're well coached.
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Islanders have to match the intensity of the Rangers (this game is NYR's Stanley Cup, after all, since playoffs don't appear in the cards again this year for them). Analytics put Isles up over 60% EG but scoreboard rules at the end of the day. NYR's goalie looks like a keeper (yuck, another one for them?).
Refs shouldn't have called the late penalty but Brassard should know better than to put himself in that position and Isles could, of course, have killed it.
Maybe third time will be a charm next week? Isles have games vs WSH and @Car coming up, so they'll they are at risk of getting into a bit of a slide here and falling closer to the wild card teams rather than home ice.
As a Rangers fan I agree this is our Stanley cup but I think we have the brighter future. The isles don't have the offensive talent to be true contenders. And they've struck out three times trying to keep/get some (Tavares, Stone, Panarin) and likely aren't bad enough to get a gamebreaker in the draft. Rangers on the other hand have the potential for plenty of high end skill with kravstov, Chytil, Kakko, this years draft pick to go with Zibby, Panarin, Deangelo and Fox.
I disagree about this being the Rangers' proverbial Stanley Cup. They're only 6 points out with 2 games in hand, and their next game is against the team they're chasing for that spot. That said, this year's success is not as important as next year and the year after when they can truly compete for a Cup again. In the meantime, Panarin and Zibanejad are good enough to carry the team maybe to a playoff spot. It's just a matter of what they decide to do with Kreider and Tony. I would love for them to find a way to keep both, but I don't see that happening. It's a shame that Staal, Smith, Skjei, and Henrik are eating up so much cap space with so little production in return. Because of those contracts, they may have to lose guys like Tony, Kreider, Fast, Georgiev, Strome.
I like Nick Ritchie as an option for the third line. What about Julian Gauthier (6'4", 225 lbs) for Kreider?
Not worried about Carolina long term. They don’t have the budget or brand name to keep the group together like most franchises can. They already nearly lost Aho.
Don’t get me wrong, as a Leafs fan, I’m excited to welcome Georgie should the trade finally happen.
Don’t get me wrong, as a Leafs fan, I’m excited to welcome Georgie should the trade finally happen.
I know you like asking questions and then, for some reason, ignoring the responses, but this was explained quite plainly to you. If Georgiev is traded, it's not for the purpose of "keeping" Lundqvist.
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Would trade George and keep 37 year old declining Hank? Georgie At 23 is better right now.
Don’t get me wrong, as a Leafs fan, I’m excited to welcome Georgie should the trade finally happen.
I know you like asking questions and then, for some reason, ignoring the responses, but this was explained quite plainly to you. If Georgiev is traded, it's not for the purpose of "keeping" Lundqvist.
I heard that answer. I know it was mentioned it was because Rangers believe they have some hotshot goalie coming up. But still, why not keep the hotshot and Georgie? I mean how much more does Hank have left? Keeping hotshot and Hank doesn’t make sense to me. Next year Hank will be 38....how many 38 year old goalies are playing now?
It seems obvious to me teams need two good goalies and not one to really excel. Look at teams like my Leafs and the Habs who struggle when they play the backup. Making the playoffs is tough with so many good teams.....you can’t afford to play a backup 20 times a year who is a cut below very good.
The Rangers NEVER have to worry about playing their backup because their backup is now actually better than the starter. So, if Rangers trade Georgie, then you have the hotshot goalie presumably taking over and I guess you have 38 year old Hank playing 20 or so games as the backup next year.
To me, this makes no sense. You should tell Hank after this season, so long, thanks for the many great years and then roll out the two young guns for how ever long. And if one gets hurt, youre confident in the next man up.
That is how I see it. But if Ranger fans want to keep Hank on the roster for more years, fine by me. I hope the trade is made while people with that thinking are still in power.
That is how I see it. But if Ranger fans want to keep Hank on the roster for more years, fine by me. I hope the trade is made while people with that thinking are still in power.
I don’t mean this to be antagonistic but I am not sure if you really know the Rangers fans thoughts on this.
First releasing or buying out lundqvist has cap implications. Besides that he also has a non-movement clause which makes trading him a bit more complicated. I think most Ranger fans were ready to move on at least a year ago, perhaps more.
Ideally the Rangers would love to have a tandem of Geotgiev and Shetstyerkin.
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That is how I see it. But if Ranger fans want to keep Hank on the roster for more years, fine by me. I hope the trade is made while people with that thinking are still in power.
I don’t mean this to be antagonistic but I am not sure if you really know the Rangers fans thoughts on this.
First releasing or buying out lundqvist has cap implications. Besides that he also has a non-movement clause which makes trading him a bit more complicated. I think most Ranger fans were ready to move on at least a year ago, perhaps more.
Ideally the Rangers would love to have a tandem of Geotgiev and Shetstyerkin.
I just noticed this reply. Hey, thanks Drew...very informative Post indeed. You are absolutely right, I was not taking into consideration his no trade clause nor the length of his contract. Obviously, this Trumps what I even think Ranger fans think. And yes, you are right again....I can’t speak for Ranger fans nor should I even try. Thanks for showing me the error of my way here, and for doing it in a polite manner. Much appreciated.
Likely not. Perhaps if their #1 went down near the deadline?