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Report: Dolphins Trying to Acquire No. 1 Pick to Select Joe

Mr. Nickels : 1/16/2020 5:56 pm
A trade would likely have the Miami Dolphins parting with a similar package as follows.

Cincinnati Bengals would receive:

2020 first-round pick (fifth overall)
2020 first-round pick (18th overall)
2020 second-round pick (39th overall)
2021 first-round pick
2021 third-round pick
Miami Dolphins would receive:

2020 first-round pick (first overall)
Report: Dolphins Trying to Acquire No. 1 Pick to Select Joe Burrow - ( New Window )
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I think it is too early to start packaging picks. Dolphins need the  
Ivan15 : 1/16/2020 8:37 pm : link
All star games and combine to play out, even if all the QBs donít participate.
No way  
PaulN : 1/16/2020 8:41 pm : link
The Bengals are going to lose that QB! No chance.
RE: RE: RE: Who Knows  
Jimmy Googs : 1/16/2020 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14782716 AcidTest said:
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Its possible someone was trying to offer us a similar haul two years ago for number 2 but Gettleman wouldn't pick up



Not saying there is truth to it, but rumors were that Denver was offering its 2019 First Round pick to move up from 5 to 2 to select Darnold (and leapfrog the Jets).



I think Cleveland also offered both their second round picks to move from #4 to #2.


But they got somebodyís voicemail...
QB is king  
Soundtrack : 1/16/2020 8:55 pm : link
Why pass on a potential star for a mystery box of draft picks?
Thats A Large Haul  
lax counsel : 1/16/2020 9:17 pm : link
For a guy who was a one year starter on an outstanding team, and I like Burrow. And no, he's not an Andrew Luck type prospect. The NFL is littered with one year college qb wonders who flamed out. That being said, I agree with those saying if you think Burrow is a franchise qb you don't take any amount of picks and stay put.
RE: QB is king  
Jimmy Googs : 1/16/2020 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14782767 Soundtrack said:
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Why pass on a potential star for a mystery box of draft picks?


You know like 200+ other guys are drafted after the #1 pick and I have heard some of them know how to play...
Burrow vs. RGIII  
Archer : 1/16/2020 9:25 pm : link
Who is a better prospect coming out of college Burrow or RGIII ?
How did that work out for Washington?
Remember when the Giants  
David B. : 1/16/2020 9:50 pm : link
Gave up too much for Eli?

The Giants never recovered, and it set the Chargers up as a multi-championship Dynasty.

That's why you don't do that shit.
A little of "could" and "may" try and trade for Cinn.'s pick...  
GFAN52 : 1/16/2020 9:57 pm : link
I don't see the Bengals missing out on their obvious need for a franchise QB to build around.
RE: I think college football is producing too many quarterbacks  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/16/2020 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14782587 Go Terps said:
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to make a trade like this.

For years I was a big backer of the Eli trade, but in hindsight that trade was so close to not working out, given the way Eli's career developed. I don't know that I would every want to do a trade like that again, even for a prospect as good as Burrow. I'm not sure you have to reach for "your" QB anymore.


They arent making great QBs. The NFL has made it impossible to play pass D. Other than Burrow the rest of the QBs are a crap shoot.
BBI sez: Bengals should do it,  
CT Charlie : 1/16/2020 10:12 pm : link
then tank the entire season and draft Trevor Lawrence in 2021.
Burrow has a great season  
markky : 1/16/2020 10:13 pm : link
But heís a 5th year player, didnít attend classes, older than Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, ... basically a first year pro playing in college. And if you watch the Clemson game, it came down to #1 beating #8man to man leading to 21points. Not sure heís the next Andrew luck or a 1year wonder. I take the trade.
You look at what Burrow did this season  
allstarjim : 1/16/2020 10:33 pm : link
And especially the last two games, against the best CFB had to offer, this dude has stud written all over him.

Look at the ball placement...guy was making NFL throws into tight coverage. Yes, he had great talent around him, but he made those guys look just as good as they made him look.

He has the total package. I just don't see how he can bust. He has the makeup, the scrambling ability, the prototypical size, the instincts, and the accuracy to be a high-end NFL starter.

To me, all the risk is with the QBs not named Burrow. If there is truth to this rumor, there is a reason they are willing to part with that kind of haul when they could just as easily get any of those other QBs you are talking about.
If true...  
bw in dc : 1/16/2020 10:49 pm : link
the Bengals should pull the trigger and prepare for 2021's bigger prize - Trevor Lawrence.

The most physically talented QB in the draft is easily Herbert. If a coach/team can can get his mental part right, which will be the challenge, the sky is the limit...

RE: Burrow vs. RGIII  
BSIMatt : 1/16/2020 11:56 pm : link
In comment 14782797 Archer said:
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Who is a better prospect coming out of college Burrow or RGIII ?
How did that work out for Washington?


So no trade ups for Burrow because of the Redskins and their handling of RG3?
RE: Burrow vs. RGIII  
bw in dc : 1/17/2020 12:24 am : link
In comment 14782797 Archer said:
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Who is a better prospect coming out of college Burrow or RGIII ?
How did that work out for Washington?


Did you for one second think about what you wrote before you hit ďsubmitĒ?
RE: BBI sez: Bengals should do it,  
crick n NC : 1/17/2020 12:33 am : link
In comment 14782865 CT Charlie said:
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then tank the entire season and draft Trevor Lawrence in 2021.


I laughed
RE: RE: BBI sez: Bengals should do it,  
jcn56 : 1/17/2020 12:36 am : link
In comment 14782959 crick n NC said:
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then tank the entire season and draft Trevor Lawrence in 2021.



I laughed


Was he joking? Because it would fit the five year model that so many on BBI were selling as far as rebuilds go.
RE: RE: RE: BBI sez: Bengals should do it,  
crick n NC : 1/17/2020 12:40 am : link
In comment 14782960 jcn56 said:
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then tank the entire season and draft Trevor Lawrence in 2021.



I laughed



Was he joking? Because it would fit the five year model that so many on BBI were selling as far as rebuilds go.


Tomato TomAhto



RE: If true...  
allstarjim : 1/17/2020 12:56 am : link
In comment 14782900 bw in dc said:
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the Bengals should pull the trigger and prepare for 2021's bigger prize - Trevor Lawrence.

The most physically talented QB in the draft is easily Herbert. If a coach/team can can get his mental part right, which will be the challenge, the sky is the limit...


As usual, your take is awful. First, putting Lawrence ahead of Burrow is splitting hairs. So if you have the rare opportunity to get your franchise QB this year, sitting at 1, why would you roll the dice, wait another year to simply have a chance at Lawrence, when all you have to do is take the layup and get Burrow this year?

And Herbert, while physically gifted, is less accurate than Burrow, has a longer throwing motion than Burrow, is slower than Burrow running, so you think Herbert is the guy because what? He's two inches taller and maybe can throw the ball 10 yards farther?

Just look at this throw:

https://youtu.be/x2dnemsUZDA?t=78

That's an opposite hash throw, tight coverage, to the sideline shoulder, 42 yards downfield. He has swag, he's a champion, he's a fiery competitor, Joe Burrow is EVERYTHING you want. He just put up the greatest statistical season a QB has EVER produced. This guy just threw for 5,671 yards in 15 games. ABSURD level of production, and did so with 10.8 yards / ATTEMPT and at a completion percentage of 76.3% and you think the Bengals, who have longed for a long-term, LEGIT answer at QB for as impossibly long as they have, and you want them to wait a year and hope, or drop and take a guy you hope you can fix?

No dude. That's atrocious decision-making, and complete malpractice.

I don't care about the 1-year stuff. He put it together this year, won every game, won the Heisman, put up THOSE numbers, and has THOSE tools...he's going to end up with an extremely high grade...well over 80.

What do you want in a QB? Accuracy is probably #1, Joe Burrow has it in spades. Competitor, winner...check, big-time. Can move in the pocket, has pocket presence, evades defenders, can throw on the run and off-schedule throws with accuracy...check. Doesn't turn the ball over, check.
Highly productive, check. Leader, confidence, check. Size, check. Technical thrower, check.

What are you dinging Burrow on? Arm strength? It's not even a real deficiency, he has plenty of arm, it's not Josh Allen but he has plenty enough.

Justin Herbert might be a great NFL QB, but Burrow is so much more of a sure thing. The Bengals should absolutely not look this gift horse in the mouth, and I don't think they're dumb enough to let this opportunity pass them by.
RE: I will say this...  
Leg of Theismann : 1/17/2020 4:08 am : link
In comment 14782630 Eric from BBI said:
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I can see how their new owner and head coach can talk themselves into making this trade, matching phenom QB prospect with his play-caller. "The future picks will be late round picks anyway!"

If they are absolutely in love with the QB, I would not discount it.


Eric-- what are you talking about? This is Miami trying to trade up, not Carolina.
It's really amazing to me  
Leg of Theismann : 1/17/2020 4:14 am : link
that the Dolphins tried their absolute hardest to tank and get the #1 pick this year, and somehow TRYING to suck they end up with the #5 pick. And because they failed in their tanking attempts they are HOPING they can get the #1 pick after giving up TWO 1st rounders, a 2nd, and a 3rd. That's the price of them failing to lose enough games lol, and it maybe is enough to make them suck even more for the next few years. I don't care how good Burrow is, the Dolphins have literally nothing and other than Burrow they only get a 3rd this year and a 2nd next year and THAT'S IT in terms of the first 3 rounds of 2020 and 2021 combined to try to rebuild their shitty team? Poor Burrow would be walking into a nightmare.
Burrow is an Ohio guy  
jeff57 : 1/17/2020 5:05 am : link
The Bengal fans would never forgive if he goes on to become a star QB.
RE: Burrow vs. RGIII  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/17/2020 7:00 am : link
In comment 14782797 Archer said:
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Who is a better prospect coming out of college Burrow or RGIII ?
How did that work out for Washington?


What on earth? This comparison is bad.
Leg of Theismann  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/17/2020 7:21 am : link
Wow... somehow I read that as Panthers, not Dolphins. My bad.
Remember when the Browns needed a QB and traded out of the  
ZogZerg : 1/17/2020 8:09 am : link
#2 pick to the Eagles and received all sorts of draft picks? BBI was gaga over this move. Well, how did that turn out?

Cincy is not that idiotic. No franchise is.
Cincy  
stretch234 : 1/17/2020 8:31 am : link
Normally I am taking the QB, but if you did that, you then play Finley and suck again and be in the running for Lawrence next year

You would have 5 of the top 39 picks This draft
RE: Burrow has a great season  
Spider56 : 1/17/2020 8:33 am : link
In comment 14782868 markky said:
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But heís a 5th year player, didnít attend classes, older than Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, ... basically a first year pro playing in college. And if you watch the Clemson game, it came down to #1 beating #8man to man leading to 21points. Not sure heís the next Andrew luck or a 1year wonder. I take the trade.


+1. .... every year thereís a college QB that blows everyone away as a canít miss pro ... yet sometimes they do. Burrow looks really strong in every aspect but remember the guy he just passed for most TDs in a single season is named Colt Brennan. Cindy will get pounded in Ohio if they donít take the hometown hero but I still call Carolina first and see what the college coaches would offer.
allstarjim...  
bw in dc : 1/17/2020 8:54 am : link
You seem to have this interesting skill of putting words in my mouth. Where did I saw Herbert was a better QB than Burrow? Or that I would take Herbert over Burrow?

I simply said he was the most physically gifted QB. And he is. Heís bigger, faster, stronger arm, etc. Heís 6í6Ē, runs like a deer (he may run 4.5), and has a great arm. But then I said he needs someone to help with the mental part. So I would take Burrow right now. If someone can figure Herbert out - and thatís a big if - the dividend could be great.

But this is about trade capital. Which is the point of the thread. If Miami gives the Bengals that package of picks, Cincy should jump all over it. And live to fight another day to find a QB. Maybe next year with Lawrence.

Lawrence is a great QB prospect. Tremendous. Burrow isnít in in the same zip code physically. Heís three years younger than Burrow. Heís also bigger, faster, stronger arm. And heís got the football acumen. Burrow has a chance to be an very good NFL QB. So this is no knock against him. Itís just that Lawrence has the physical gifts to be the next Elway. So you should always bet on that...
Cincy:  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2020 8:56 am : link
Ďwhere do I sign?Ē
RE: QB is king  
Tuckrule : 1/17/2020 9:07 am : link
In comment 14782767 Soundtrack said:
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Why pass on a potential star for a mystery box of draft picks?


Key word in your sentence ďpotentialĒ for a box of draft picks that are also ďpotentialĒ
Unbelievable  
Gruber : 1/17/2020 9:20 am : link
Find this hard to believe. They're overpaying by at least their second 2020 first round pick. Sure, if it's true, Cincy should do it, and then aim to get the first pick in 2021 to secure the services of Trevor Bishop. But I just don't believe it.
RE: allstarjim...  
allstarjim : 1/17/2020 9:27 am : link
In comment 14783086 bw in dc said:
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You seem to have this interesting skill of putting words in my mouth. Where did I saw Herbert was a better QB than Burrow? Or that I would take Herbert over Burrow?

I simply said he was the most physically gifted QB. And he is. Heís bigger, faster, stronger arm, etc. Heís 6í6Ē, runs like a deer (he may run 4.5), and has a great arm. But then I said he needs someone to help with the mental part. So I would take Burrow right now. If someone can figure Herbert out - and thatís a big if - the dividend could be great.

But this is about trade capital. Which is the point of the thread. If Miami gives the Bengals that package of picks, Cincy should jump all over it. And live to fight another day to find a QB. Maybe next year with Lawrence.

Lawrence is a great QB prospect. Tremendous. Burrow isnít in in the same zip code physically. Heís three years younger than Burrow. Heís also bigger, faster, stronger arm. And heís got the football acumen. Burrow has a chance to be an very good NFL QB. So this is no knock against him. Itís just that Lawrence has the physical gifts to be the next Elway. So you should always bet on that...


It's not just about physical gifts. If the prospects all have warts, and similar grades, sure, I'm betting on the guy with the superior physical gifts. But Burrow doesn't have warts. He's a guy you can trust the franchise to.

BTW, you think Herbert is faster than Burrow? I'll take that bet. At any rate, football speed, watching them both run, Burrow has faster acceleration and I'd bet you he has faster top speed as well.

Burrow is going to grade out extremely high. Lawrence is going to grade out extremely high. You don't say a prayer and hope you can get Lawrence next year when you have an elite QB prospect this year and all you have to do is take him.
My buddy who is a Phins fan said he would be livid if true  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2020 9:39 am : link
He said that they gutted the roster to load up on picks to tank and then they're going to turn around and trade most of those picks to get the #1 pick? Plus that 2021 1st round pick has a good chance of being another top 5 pick. They are trading all these assets to get Burrow now when they could build up the roster and go after Lawrence or Fields in 2021.

Miami's offensive line is a disaster  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2020 9:41 am : link
They might have one guard spot settled at best. They need to add at least four starting offensive linemen including both tackle spots. If they trade all those picks on Burrow they will not be able to fix that line for him. He will take an absolute beating next season if he starts.
Iíve got to say after watching Lawrence against Ohio State  
BSIMatt : 1/17/2020 9:42 am : link
And then LSU, I came away feeling this guy is being a shade overrated. I still like him a lot, but that was two shaky passing games in a row. More than anything his ball placement was scattershot in both games.
RE: Iíve got to say after watching Lawrence against Ohio State  
Oscar : 1/17/2020 9:45 am : link
In comment 14783157 BSIMatt said:
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And then LSU, I came away feeling this guy is being a shade overrated. I still like him a lot, but that was two shaky passing games in a row. More than anything his ball placement was scattershot in both games.


I agree. Have to factor in that heís only a sophomore of course, but he honestly looked a bit worse this season than last. Still a great prospect but heíll need to tick up a bit next year before I buy that heís the best prospect since Elway or Peyton or whoever.
Since I donít watch college football, I cannot weigh in about  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2020 9:49 am : link
Burrow on any level, I can just generalize. Too many ďcanít missĒ college stars have missed. My concern would simply be this: Heís played just 1 year at this level, correct? 1 year can make some fans leery.
RE: RE: Burrow has a great season  
allstarjim : 1/17/2020 9:55 am : link
In comment 14783055 Spider56 said:
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But heís a 5th year player, didnít attend classes, older than Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, ... basically a first year pro playing in college. And if you watch the Clemson game, it came down to #1 beating #8man to man leading to 21points. Not sure heís the next Andrew luck or a 1year wonder. I take the trade.



+1. .... every year thereís a college QB that blows everyone away as a canít miss pro ... yet sometimes they do. Burrow looks really strong in every aspect but remember the guy he just passed for most TDs in a single season is named Colt Brennan. Cindy will get pounded in Ohio if they donít take the hometown hero but I still call Carolina first and see what the college coaches would offer.


Come on. There is no comparison between Colt Brennan and Joe Burrow. None. Brennan played against Hawaii in an offense that was completely spread out and barely ran the ball, with a lot of short passing and he threw a lot of interceptions. Brennan played for Hawaii in the WAC and barely played any good competition, losing when they did.

And Brennan was a 6TH ROUND PICK. The entire NFL knew he was a system QB in a system that wasn't going to translate.

Burrow is way more than his stats. You can't pick out one fact, that Brennan wasn't a great NFL player and that's whose record he broke, and act like that has any meaning. You are ignoring all context. Burrow is going to go #1 in the NFL draft, and you are comparing him to a 6th round pick that played for Hawaii. Burrow just completed a season where he defeated SEVEN top 10 teams. Not just ranked teams, TOP TEN teams. The fact that Burrow broke Brennan's record with that SEC schedule and the way he did, and superior statistical performances in all other measures...completion %, 10-1 TD to INT...it's just dominant.

His game is going to translate. No prospect has zero bust potential. But his risk of busting is so small, like Peyton Manning small. Daniel Jeremiah says he just had the most impressive QB season of any QB he has ever seen, and he said he spoke with Kevin Faulk, the director of player development at LSU and of course former Patriots RB. Faulk has been telling scouts that Burrow is Tom Brady. Except obviously, Burrow has wheels.
Lmao  
BSIMatt : 1/17/2020 10:15 am : link
At the Colt Brennan comparison...there is absolutely no comparison. I'm not talking about Burrow as a prospect, or wether he will cut it in the NFL...I'm talking about just propping up statistics side by side and saying see, look another guy put up a ton of yards and look what he did in the NFL.

Most of those Hawaii June Jones offenses, were literally spreading the ball out and attempting a ridiculous amount of throws. Same thing with Mike Leach...look at the passing yards and pass attempts from some of those offenses vs what LSU was doing this year. Throw the stats out of the window, and watch the games..watch the type of throws the offfenses ask the quarterback to make...absolutely no comparison at all. Burrow was throwing 40 yard dimes all year, and putting them right on the receiver against one of the hardest schedules college football had to offer...a far cry from the gantlet of teams Hawaii faced. Some really bad takes on this thread.
Normally, I would say take the franchise QB  
Section331 : 1/17/2020 10:29 am : link
(and I would be stunned if Burrow isn't a good to great QB), but that is a franchise altering haul. You could even use this year's 2 1st rounders to move up and get Tua. I would do it if I were running Cincy.
Miami would have a ton of cap  
90.Cal : 1/17/2020 10:32 am : link
And itís fucking Miami Florida! And its tax friendly! And itís Joe Burrow! Get him and they will come join... whatís your other option, dwindle around being in between bad and mediocre another 20 years? Take your shot now Miami give up 5 and all of Houstonís picks and + if you have to..
RE: RE: allstarjim...  
bw in dc : 1/17/2020 10:35 am : link
In comment 14783137 allstarjim said:
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It's not just about physical gifts. If the prospects all have warts, and similar grades, sure, I'm betting on the guy with the superior physical gifts. But Burrow doesn't have warts. He's a guy you can trust the franchise to.

BTW, you think Herbert is faster than Burrow? I'll take that bet. At any rate, football speed, watching them both run, Burrow has faster acceleration and I'd bet you he has faster top speed as well.

Burrow is going to grade out extremely high. Lawrence is going to grade out extremely high. You don't say a prayer and hope you can get Lawrence next year when you have an elite QB prospect this year and all you have to do is take him.


If Cincinnati takes Burrow I wouldn't criticize the pick. But if you assume the speculation of the linked article by the OP, that's an enormous freight Cincy would get back for trading the top pick. Freight that could potentially set them up very nicely for the future and help solve a lot of their needs.

Look, the college pipeline of QBs is pretty good these next few years. Next year you'll likely have Lawrence, Fields, Daniels (SC), Ehlinger, etc.

And then in 2022, you'll likely see Sam Howell (who I love out of UNC), Slovis (good freshman season filling in at SC), Daniels, etc.

So there are going to be other solutions for Cincy at QB if they don't take Burrow...

Burrow moves well for his size and position - true. He's crafty and pretty good short area quickness. But he isn't in the same straight speed class as Herbert. Herbert is going to run better than a lot of WRs in this draft.
RE: Since I donít watch college football, I cannot weigh in about  
BSIMatt : 1/17/2020 10:36 am : link
In comment 14783172 Big Blue '56 said:
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Burrow on any level, I can just generalize. Too many ďcanít missĒ college stars have missed. My concern would simply be this: Heís played just 1 year at this level, correct? 1 year can make some fans leery.


No, Burrow was the LSU starting quarterback in 2018 as well. 2018 gets tossed out the window, because of the increase in his play this season from last. LSU abandoned their old school traditional offense and implemented the New Orleans Saints passing plays that Joe Brady brought in. So, for front offices, there will be some reconciliation between what they thought of 2018 Joe Burrow, and 2019 Joe Burrow. What I will say, is there are some that act as if Burrow wasn't a good player for LSU in 2018, reality is that LSU team won 10 games, and Burrow played his best football towards the end of the year, this was an offense, whose key players in 2019(Jefferson, Chase, Marshall, Edwards-Helaire) were 2 freshman and two sophomores in 2018, and Burrow had arrived in the summer to a new school, new teammates, new offense..and jumped into the SEC west and won 10 games, including a thrashing of top 5 Georgia and a bowl win. Like I said in another post, in his last 4 games of 2018 he averaged over 300 yards of total offense per game and 3tds, and over 67% completion..so he was trending up as the season went on, playing better and better down the stretch. Obviously, this year was insanity with his level of improvement, and the commitment to a new offensive identity certainly had a big impact on that.
2019 Fiesta bowl highlights.started with a pick 6/decleating and finished with 394yds 4tds - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: allstarjim...  
Producer : 1/17/2020 10:46 am : link
In comment 14783268 bw in dc said:
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It's not just about physical gifts. If the prospects all have warts, and similar grades, sure, I'm betting on the guy with the superior physical gifts. But Burrow doesn't have warts. He's a guy you can trust the franchise to.

BTW, you think Herbert is faster than Burrow? I'll take that bet. At any rate, football speed, watching them both run, Burrow has faster acceleration and I'd bet you he has faster top speed as well.

Burrow is going to grade out extremely high. Lawrence is going to grade out extremely high. You don't say a prayer and hope you can get Lawrence next year when you have an elite QB prospect this year and all you have to do is take him.



If Cincinnati takes Burrow I wouldn't criticize the pick. But if you assume the speculation of the linked article by the OP, that's an enormous freight Cincy would get back for trading the top pick. Freight that could potentially set them up very nicely for the future and help solve a lot of their needs.

Look, the college pipeline of QBs is pretty good these next few years. Next year you'll likely have Lawrence, Fields, Daniels (SC), Ehlinger, etc.

And then in 2022, you'll likely see Sam Howell (who I love out of UNC), Slovis (good freshman season filling in at SC), Daniels, etc.

So there are going to be other solutions for Cincy at QB if they don't take Burrow...

Burrow moves well for his size and position - true. He's crafty and pretty good short area quickness. But he isn't in the same straight speed class as Herbert. Herbert is going to run better than a lot of WRs in this draft.


But Burrow is better than Herbert. If you think the kid is elite special, you don't trade him for any haul of picks. What's Mahomes worth? What's Manning worth? That is how you treat Joe Burrow..
RE: RE: RE: RE: allstarjim...  
bw in dc : 1/17/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 14783292 Producer said:
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But Burrow is better than Herbert. If you think the kid is elite special, you don't trade him for any haul of picks. What's Mahomes worth? What's Manning worth? That is how you treat Joe Burrow..


I agree. Right now Burrow is better than Herbert.

And I never said Cincinnati should take Herbert instead. But I wanted to raise the point that Herbert is a very talented prospect.

RE: RE: RE: allstarjim...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/17/2020 11:37 am : link
In comment 14783268 bw in dc said:
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It's not just about physical gifts. If the prospects all have warts, and similar grades, sure, I'm betting on the guy with the superior physical gifts. But Burrow doesn't have warts. He's a guy you can trust the franchise to.

BTW, you think Herbert is faster than Burrow? I'll take that bet. At any rate, football speed, watching them both run, Burrow has faster acceleration and I'd bet you he has faster top speed as well.

Burrow is going to grade out extremely high. Lawrence is going to grade out extremely high. You don't say a prayer and hope you can get Lawrence next year when you have an elite QB prospect this year and all you have to do is take him.



If Cincinnati takes Burrow I wouldn't criticize the pick. But if you assume the speculation of the linked article by the OP, that's an enormous freight Cincy would get back for trading the top pick. Freight that could potentially set them up very nicely for the future and help solve a lot of their needs.

Look, the college pipeline of QBs is pretty good these next few years. Next year you'll likely have Lawrence, Fields, Daniels (SC), Ehlinger, etc.

And then in 2022, you'll likely see Sam Howell (who I love out of UNC), Slovis (good freshman season filling in at SC), Daniels, etc.

So there are going to be other solutions for Cincy at QB if they don't take Burrow...



That cuts both ways. I see no reason to project guys out two years in the future, that is purely guessing, even more than the draft is already guessing. They could not improve. Holes in their skillsets could show. They could turn out to simply be above average college quarterbacks once you have two more years of games you've watched.

There are always going to be quarterbacks in the draft, but not all quarterbacks in the draft are solutions.
RE: RE: RE: RE: allstarjim...  
bw in dc : 1/17/2020 11:56 am : link
In comment 14783367 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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That cuts both ways. I see no reason to project guys out two years in the future, that is purely guessing, even more than the draft is already guessing. They could not improve. Holes in their skillsets could show. They could turn out to simply be above average college quarterbacks once you have two more years of games you've watched.

There are always going to be quarterbacks in the draft, but not all quarterbacks in the draft are solutions.


I get it.

But the trend is clear - it's getting easier and easier for QBs out of college to hit the ground running in the NFL.

I follow recruiting pretty closely. And it's amazing seeing how advanced these QBs are. The way these QBs are being prepared at younger ages gives them tremendous advantages.

Many of the best high schools in the country - IMG, Mater Dei, Aquinas, Gorman, etc - look like pro teams.

And as you know, the college game is more pass oriented than ever.

So while there are no guarantees, I feel better about the "hit rate" (to find a QB) more than ever...
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In comment 14783364 bw in dc said:
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But Burrow is better than Herbert. If you think the kid is elite special, you don't trade him for any haul of picks. What's Mahomes worth? What's Manning worth? That is how you treat Joe Burrow..



I agree. Right now Burrow is better than Herbert.

And I never said Cincinnati should take Herbert instead. But I wanted to raise the point that Herbert is a very talented prospect.


for sure.. after seeming to be the possible #1 or #2 in 2019 his stock dropped. Some were saying out of the first round. Now his stock is rising precipitously, with many mocks have him go to San Diego at #6.

As a buddy of mine likes to say, QB prospects are like new tech stocks, rising and falling on whims. Herbert could be real good, I agree.
That's a large haul..  
BillKo : 1/17/2020 2:36 pm : link
..but if you really think Burrows is your elite QB for the next 10-12 years, you turn it down. And select the LSU QB.

Those extra picks look fantastic...but what do they turn into? Players get drafted, are busts, get hurt etc......

There's one player that's most important on every football team. It's the QB.
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