Report: Dolphins Trying to Acquire No. 1 Pick to Select Joe

how do you not take that?

but it’s an interesting ‘what if’ for the Bengals

But that is too much. Way too much.

to you. You agree immediately if your are Cincy, take that haul and start wheeling and dealing with all those picks...

In comment 14782567 JayBinQueens said:

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how do you not take that?

How? You say no, I'd rather have the young Aaron Rodgers, or Brett Favre (I'm not even sure who is the best comp for Burrow, but as a prospect he's on the level of Andrew Luck).

You have to consider it, but Burrow is a franchise-altering player. Who cares if you have all those picks when you don't have a franchise QB that can take your team to the playoffs - year in, year out.

Further, if your backup plan is Tua, you're going to probably have to move back up and trade some of those picks you just got to Detroit or NYG, to get the 2nd best guy.

If you believe in Tua, perhaps you do it. But that's an awfully massive risk for a team that just needs to solve that position and is desperate to become a legitimate contender, something they haven't been since THE EIGHTIES.

If I'm Cincinatti, I just take Burrow.

And I love Burrow. But one player doesn’t fix their issues.

you could be looking at 3 difference makers and 2 solid starters out of that haul.

Who knows ?

Who's to say Tua/Hebert/whoever won't be as good or better as the LSU guy? The draft is a crapshoot. Or, maybe they really like Finley. You never know. I would absolutely do it.

Seems legit

There will be at least one trade up to the top three for a QB this year, and i think the trading partner will be Washington.

Joe goes to Cincinnati. Tua will go to Miami at #2. Detroit will field offers when they're on the clock, as well.

It's crazy, but I think the Giants are still in the Chase Young sweepstakes.

to make a trade like this.

For years I was a big backer of the Eli trade, but in hindsight that trade was so close to not working out, given the way Eli's career developed. I don't know that I would every want to do a trade like that again, even for a prospect as good as Burrow. I'm not sure you have to reach for "your" QB anymore.

IF that player is going to change your team for the next 15 years into a contender.

If you think that's a lot, remember RG III netted the Rams three firsts and a second to move the same number of spots, and that was to #2. He was the 2nd best QB prospect in that draft.

And I know, you're going to say, "well, the Redskins are a joke." Well, I agree with you...but when you consider the actual return in the players selected by the Rams, they didn't get much out of all those picks. Of course, the Redskins didn't either, but they might've had they not pushed a clearly injured Griffin to play.

So yeah, if you have the conviction that Burrow is a Super Bowl winning-type of franchise QB, that comp is not too much.

I hear the guy smokes too much. ;)

In comment 14782567 JayBinQueens said:

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how do you not take that?

You don't. 3 1st's, a 2nd and a 3rd to move up 4 spots for a QB who had one fabulous year with the greatest college OL arguably ever? If that was a real offer, it would already be done.

In comment 14782588 allstarjim said:

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IF that player is going to change your team for the next 15 years into a contender. If you think that's a lot, remember RG III netted the Rams three firsts and a second to move the same number of spots, and that was to #2. He was the 2nd best QB prospect in that draft. And I know, you're going to say, "well, the Redskins are a joke." Well, I agree with you...but when you consider the actual return in the players selected by the Rams, they didn't get much out of all those picks. Of course, the Redskins didn't either, but they might've had they not pushed a clearly injured Griffin to play. So yeah, if you have the conviction that Burrow is a Super Bowl winning-type of franchise QB, that comp is not too much.

How can you assume anything about the next 15 years? Who of us saw the last eight years of Eli's career being an abject disaster?

I think if you're mapping beyond four years you're making a mistake.

And if it is true...the Bengals would be crazy not to take it.

In comment 14782580 PatersonPlank said:

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Who's to say Tua/Hebert/whoever won't be as good or better as the LSU guy? The draft is a crapshoot. Or, maybe they really like Finley. You never know. I would absolutely do it.

Yup. Or Fromm. Lots of options and that’s a ton of picks to work with. Have to take it.

Trade.
No way.

QB's compared to Burrow. If they think he is a rare QB you don't trade. If they think they can get a comparable one at 5 then you do imo.

There may be more QB's being developed now but do you want someone that can be a Dalton or just a "starter" or do you want someone that can win you a championship? There are teams that have waited decades for "the" QB and are still waiting.

In comment 14782589 Eric from BBI said:

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I hear the guy smokes too much. ;)

[slaps Eric’s ass]

Atta boy!

our double trade back scenario

Would need all dolphins 1st round pick next 3 years or something crazy like that

hold out for more if I was the Bengals. In terms of future 1sts it’s not that much.

In comment 14782610 ryanmkeane said:

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hold out for more if I was the Bengals. In terms of future 1sts it’s not that much.

You would be getting two more #1s, a #2, and #3 for dropping down four spots.

Who could be one of the top 3-5 QBs in the NFL in a couple of years, then you don't do that deal if you're Cincy.

And don't give me the "they have so many holes to fill how can they not do that deal?" crap.

It's unlikely Cincy will be picking #1 overall again anytime soon. If they have the chance to get their franchise QB then they should stay put.

(And when they do let it be a lesson to the "our team can always trade up for the top QB" crowd. Note: No. You can't always trade up if the other team isn't interested in trading the pick.)

In comment 14782609 90.Cal said:

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Would need all dolphins 1st round pick next 3 years or something crazy like that

What? The guy has accomplished nothing in the NFL yet. There’s no way he’s worth that.

In comment 14782589 Eric from BBI said:

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I hear the guy smokes too much. ;)

Would have been more impressive with a gas mask.

But I have been wondering, recently. What if throughout the draft process, the Bengals fall in love with someone other than Burrow.

Say, it’s Herbert. It would be wild if they fueled some reports about Burrow, Burrow, Burrow and someone called to come up. Say, Miami.

Before they pull the trigger, they get ahold of the Lions and/or Giants to inquire about coming up to their spot, if they were to fall back.

So, just to throw shit on the wall.

Bengals deal down to Miami at 5, and acquire 2 2020 1sts, 2021 1st, 2020 2nd and 2021 3rd.

Quickly get a deal in place with the Lions sending them #5 and the addl first this year, along with a 3rd.

In the end, they get their guy, hypothetically Herbert, a 2nd this year, in place of their 3rd and a 1st and 3rd next year

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I can see how their new owner and head coach can talk themselves into making this trade, matching phenom QB prospect with his play-caller. "The future picks will be late round picks anyway!"

If they are absolutely in love with the QB, I would not discount it.

Coveting more picks just for the love of picks doesnt get you anywhere if you dont have a QB. If the scouting tells you Burrow can be a franchise QB, you take him.

love Burrow, but that is too much to refuse. Plenty of first round "can't miss" QBs have busted, and Burrow was playing with a ton of NFL talent, many of which just declared for the draft. I can't believe Miami would offer that much to move up four spots for anyone.

In comment 14782630 Eric from BBI said:

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I can see how their new owner and head coach can talk themselves into making this trade, matching phenom QB prospect with his play-caller. "The future picks will be late round picks anyway!" If they are absolutely in love with the QB, I would not discount it.

I can see that as well and I can also see the Bengals taking that great offer to fill a lot of holes. Then they could either tank next year for Lawrence or use their additional #1 to move up and get him.

they are in QB Hell.

he played in a true spread at the college level. I wish there was more film on him then just 1 season.

I think he’s kind of boom or bust. He certainly has it when he is out of the pocket.

In comment 14782630 Eric from BBI said:

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I can see how their new owner and head coach can talk themselves into making this trade, matching phenom QB prospect with his play-caller. "The future picks will be late round picks anyway!" If they are absolutely in love with the QB, I would not discount it.

The play caller went to Carolina, not Miami. So it would be Carolina that would need to move up to #1, and I think they pick 7th.

Then use some of it to move up to our #4 spot to take Tua/Herbert/Fromm. Just like us, Miami is 2 years away and all those picks would help immensely

Its possible someone was trying to offer us a similar haul two years ago for number 2 but Gettleman wouldn't pick up

In comment 14782676 Blue Dream said:

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Its possible someone was trying to offer us a similar haul two years ago for number 2 but Gettleman wouldn't pick up

Not saying there is truth to it, but rumors were that Denver was offering its 2019 First Round pick to move up from 5 to 2 to select Darnold (and leapfrog the Jets).

In comment 14782603 ZogZerg said:

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Trade. No way.

That's an Evan Engrams haul right there.

These rumors are so asinine.

In comment 14782681 Giants38 said:

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In comment 14782676 Blue Dream said: Quote: Its possible someone was trying to offer us a similar haul two years ago for number 2 but Gettleman wouldn't pick up Not saying there is truth to it, but rumors were that Denver was offering its 2019 First Round pick to move up from 5 to 2 to select Darnold (and leapfrog the Jets).

I think Cleveland also offered both their second round picks to move from #4 to #2.

In comment 14782571 Go Terps said:

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But that is too much. Way too much.

I agree and I’m all about going all in for the qb. But man that’s a lot. Compare that to what nyg gave up for Eli, it’s not even close.

All star games and combine to play out, even if all the QBs don’t participate.

The Bengals are going to lose that QB! No chance.

In comment 14782716 AcidTest said:

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In comment 14782681 Giants38 said: Quote: In comment 14782676 Blue Dream said: Quote: Its possible someone was trying to offer us a similar haul two years ago for number 2 but Gettleman wouldn't pick up Not saying there is truth to it, but rumors were that Denver was offering its 2019 First Round pick to move up from 5 to 2 to select Darnold (and leapfrog the Jets). I think Cleveland also offered both their second round picks to move from #4 to #2.

But they got somebody’s voicemail...

Why pass on a potential star for a mystery box of draft picks?

For a guy who was a one year starter on an outstanding team, and I like Burrow. And no, he's not an Andrew Luck type prospect. The NFL is littered with one year college qb wonders who flamed out. That being said, I agree with those saying if you think Burrow is a franchise qb you don't take any amount of picks and stay put.