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bceagle05 : 1/16/2020 8:02 pm
Well, maybe in 5-10 years. Knicks up three early. Morris and Ntilikina are back. Let's get a win.
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The best news for the Knicks this season  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2020 10:37 am : link
is that NBA television ratings are down. Maybe that will prompt Adam Silver to clean up the mess at MSG - see if Ujiri is interested and facilitate a deal that makes sense.
RE: If RJ's out a few games  
TyreeHelmet : 1/17/2020 10:38 am : link
In comment 14783238 bceagle05 said:
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who's ready for the Payton/Bullock/Morris/Randle/Taj starting lineup?


“Rebuilding”.
Desperately need to find shooters this summer.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2020 10:47 am : link
Davis Bertans, Joe Harris, Malik Beasley - there are guys out there who can help and won't break the bank, but Mills/Perry will opt to overpay a "name" like Drummond or give out one-year deals to scrubs to "maintain flexibility" for all the stars who will ignore us in 2021.
RE: The best news for the Knicks this season  
TyreeHelmet : 1/17/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 14783272 bceagle05 said:
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is that NBA television ratings are down. Maybe that will prompt Adam Silver to clean up the mess at MSG - see if Ujiri is interested and facilitate a deal that makes sense.


Sad thing is even if the Knicks get Masai or Presti, they are still years away from being good. And if Mills and Perry are given another offseason- I’m taking a full break from this team.

I know it’s not the Knicks fault but man does he hurt missing out on Morant. He has MVP talent and would have been perfect for them. Damn shame.
RE: Desperately need to find shooters this summer.  
Enzo : 1/17/2020 11:09 am : link
In comment 14783295 bceagle05 said:
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Davis Bertans, Joe Harris, Malik Beasley - there are guys out there who can help and won't break the bank, but Mills/Perry will opt to overpay a "name" like Drummond or give out one-year deals to scrubs to "maintain flexibility" for all the stars who will ignore us in 2021.

I'd target Harris and Bogdanović. But neither will come cheap IMO.
Nygiants16  
GMEN46 : 1/17/2020 11:11 am : link
The proof is in the stats. His fg % is up 6 percent, 3 point shooting up 4 % and free throw shooting up 10 %. Whose to say he isn’t up to 42 %/ 36% and 80% next year as a 22 year old. He needs time. Devin Booker is a terrible comparison. He was a lights out shooter naturally. If you recall I wanted the Knicks to trade down for booker during the porzingis draft. And just in case anyone forgot I was calling for d mitchell over Frank. So my ability to recognize talent is strong as many of you already know.
How About Stephen Curry?  
Samiam : 1/17/2020 11:14 am : link
Werent they one pick away from him and they ended up with that meh forward from Arizona with the long hair?

Do the Knicks have a plan now? Certainly not a good one or a long term one. I don’t understand bringing in these veterans on one year deals unless they’ll be traded but except for Morris, how much value do they gave? If you’re going to lose, and they will lose playing the kids extensively. The point above about the young kids is valid. No point in keeping Knox or Frank or DSJ on the bench
RE: RE: The best news for the Knicks this season  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2020 11:18 am : link
In comment 14783311 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 14783272 bceagle05 said:


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is that NBA television ratings are down. Maybe that will prompt Adam Silver to clean up the mess at MSG - see if Ujiri is interested and facilitate a deal that makes sense.



Sad thing is even if the Knicks get Masai or Presti, they are still years away from being good. And if Mills and Perry are given another offseason- I’m taking a full break from this team.

I know it’s not the Knicks fault but man does he hurt missing out on Morant. He has MVP talent and would have been perfect for them. Damn shame.


without the amojnt of cap space and flexibility and the picks i think a competent gm can turn this around rather quickly..

But the knicks do not have that and will never have that
the Knicks and their fansd  
djm : 1/17/2020 11:18 am : link
are scarred for life when it comes to dishing out max deals or going all in on greatness. They got burned by Stat, to an extent. Got burned by Melo's second contrac here, to some extent, really not even as bad as Stat, but they got roasted prior to that.

Just go out and get good and great fucking players. Do what the Lakers do. Throw caution to the wind IF and only IF the ends justify the means. If you can get a great player, do it, but with calculation.

I have no doubts the Knicks were terrified last summer. They played it safe, and now have the worst team in the NBA to show for it, but hey, we have cap space going forward and a bunch of picks coming. See how far that takes us if the front office continues to play it safe.

Everyone on this team should be available for the right price, even the sainted RJ Barrett.

And lastly, it might be a good idea to get a fucking point guard in here since every other team in the NBA has better ones than we have. Fucking idiots that run this team. Eldrick Payton....whooopee.
RE: Nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2020 11:20 am : link
In comment 14783324 GMEN46 said:
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The proof is in the stats. His fg % is up 6 percent, 3 point shooting up 4 % and free throw shooting up 10 %. Whose to say he isn’t up to 42 %/ 36% and 80% next year as a 22 year old. He needs time. Devin Booker is a terrible comparison. He was a lights out shooter naturally. If you recall I wanted the Knicks to trade down for booker during the porzingis draft. And just in case anyone forgot I was calling for d mitchell over Frank. So my ability to recognize talent is strong as many of you already know.


He is also shooting less than he did last year.

Also if he was shooting so much better you would think his ppg would have gone up a little bit more.

He is still shooting 37%
RE: How About Stephen Curry?  
Pete44 : 1/17/2020 11:26 am : link
In comment 14783328 Samiam said:
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Werent they one pick away from him and they ended up with that meh forward from Arizona with the long hair?

Do the Knicks have a plan now? Certainly not a good one or a long term one. I don’t understand bringing in these veterans on one year deals unless they’ll be traded but except for Morris, how much value do they gave? If you’re going to lose, and they will lose playing the kids extensively. The point above about the young kids is valid. No point in keeping Knox or Frank or DSJ on the bench


Yes, that is a good one. We ended up with Jordan Hill.
RE: RE: How About Stephen Curry?  
TommyWiseau : 1/17/2020 11:33 am : link
In comment 14783346 Pete44 said:
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Werent they one pick away from him and they ended up with that meh forward from Arizona with the long hair?

Do the Knicks have a plan now? Certainly not a good one or a long term one. I don’t understand bringing in these veterans on one year deals unless they’ll be traded but except for Morris, how much value do they gave? If you’re going to lose, and they will lose playing the kids extensively. The point above about the young kids is valid. No point in keeping Knox or Frank or DSJ on the bench



Yes, that is a good one. We ended up with Jordan Hill.


Should have taken Derozan there like many on here were shouting for. Hill was a bum in college and a bum in the pros
LaMelo's shutting it down for the year.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2020 1:04 pm : link
Just feels like he's going to be a Knick.
RE: RE: Once they made the decision to trade Porzingas  
Vanzetti : 1/17/2020 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14782997 nygiants16 said:
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It was committing to another two years of rebuild

Trade whatever vets you can. Stockpile picks. Even if they are seconds

They have to stick to the plan. Worst thing that can happen is if Perry and Mills try to save their jobs by signing some second tier free agents just to make the playoffs



Bullshit, Mills and Perry did not spend 70 million laat offseason with the idea of tanking again..

If tanking was thr plan they would of used cap space to trade for draft picks..

I dont want to hear this was the plan


Knicks problem is not sticking to a plan and not planning far enough in advance.

Lebron became a fiasco because Donnie had to trade draft picks to unload bad contracts to clear cap space. Then the same thing happened with the pursuit of Durant. They had to use Porzingas as bait to get Dallas to take Lee and THJR's contracts.

If there had been a plan in place, they never would have had those contracts to unload. Everybody knew about these free agent extravaganzas years in advance. Knicks should have been preparing for Lebron and Durant/Kyrie/Kawhi years in advance

And if they had Porzingas locked up, they might have been able to lure some of the FAs last year. Because that's the type of young emerging star, bigtime FAs want to play with. But they had to trade him to open up space. Just poor planning.

Right now, they should be aiming for Giannis in 2021. And I think that is exactly what they are doing. Problem is know-nothing media and fans clamor for them to acquire some second-tier player who maybe makes it a 35-40 win team. And Dolan caves to the pressure.

Just stay the course. If you don't get Giannis, you just keep going and eventually you will land the right guy. Anthony Davis looks like he might opt out. And there will be others. Because the new thing in the NBA is for superstars to become free agents and have everyone court them. That's the new sign of greatness. If Knicks stick to the plan, it will work out.






I will bet a billion dollars  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2020 1:23 pm : link
giannis is never a knicks player and it is a stupid plan to try and sign him
RJ Barrett  
Pete44 : 1/17/2020 1:29 pm : link
RJ Barrett out at least a week = Knicks unwatchable for a week.
Giannis  
Pete44 : 1/17/2020 1:31 pm : link
Giannis has less than no interest in the Knicks, I have that on very good authority. If there was ever a superstar destined to stay in a small market, it is Giannis. He loves Millwaukee, he loves his teammates and their owners will do anything for him. Of course, if they lose, that could change things, but he has zero interest in the Knicks and some of it is from how his brother was treated.
RE: Giannis  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2020 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14783560 Pete44 said:
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Giannis has less than no interest in the Knicks, I have that on very good authority. If there was ever a superstar destined to stay in a small market, it is Giannis. He loves Millwaukee, he loves his teammates and their owners will do anything for him. Of course, if they lose, that could change things, but he has zero interest in the Knicks and some of it is from how his brother was treated.


yup he hates the knicks
Knicks are the only NBA team to give his brother an opportunity  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2020 1:54 pm : link
besides the Bucks, who are only doing it to keep Giannis happy.
Not doubting that he's annoyed with the Knicks,  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2020 1:55 pm : link
but it seems a little ridiculous that he would be.
Right. Like you guys know what Giannis is thinking  
Vanzetti : 1/17/2020 1:58 pm : link
Plus, people change their minds all the time, especially in their twenties. Everyone said Kyrie was going to stay in Boston. Things change.

And its beside the point what Giannis does. I was just using him as an example. Top players are all going the free agent route these days. There will be lots of opportunities over the next few years to sign a bigtime player.

Knicks just have to be in a position to capitalize when it happens.
David Aldridge reporting Beal is miserable in DC.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2020 2:01 pm : link
I have no clue why he signed that extension, but now that he's under contract for the next few years, I'd give up quite a bit to get him. I'm a big fan of his.
Forget giannis  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2020 2:05 pm : link
no max player is signing with this dumpster fire until it looks like it is run like a competent franchise..

We have to pretend this is the st louis knicks rather than the new york knicks
Bucks are in cap hell  
Vanzetti : 1/17/2020 2:11 pm : link
They have no ability to sign any free agents other than the exceptions.

They also lack the second superstar. Khris Middleton is a fine player, especially for a guy picked in the second round.

But he is not Anthony Davis. Maybe Bucks can win it. But their window will rapidly close as guys age.

So, I don't think Giannis is staying in Milwaukee. Of course, he is saying the right things. But I think when he and his agent sit down and look at things in 2021, there will be way better options than the Bucks.
RE: David Aldridge reporting Beal is miserable in DC.  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2020 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14783627 bceagle05 said:
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I have no clue why he signed that extension, but now that he's under contract for the next few years, I'd give up quite a bit to get him. I'm a big fan of his.


He wont be much happier in new york lol
also beal cant be traded until next season  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2020 2:31 pm : link
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Oh good, hopefully we'll have a new team president/GM by then.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2020 2:33 pm : link
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RE: Oh good, hopefully we'll have a new team president/GM by then.  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2020 2:36 pm : link
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you know mills will be here as long as he wants
Berman says Knicks have no interest in trading for Drummond  
shyster : 1/17/2020 6:30 pm : link
This is "according to an NBA source." This is same thing Stefan Bondy reported shortly after the Shams/Begley stories.

Berman does think the Knicks should go after Drummond as a free agent but does not suggest he has any information on whether Knicks management is so inclined.

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According to an NBA source, the Knicks have no interest in a [Drummond] trade despite a report the Pistons approached them about a deal — and it makes absolutely no sense to give up pawns for Drummond if he’s opting out. But it will also make no sense if the Knicks don’t go after Drummond this July, even if they possess a young 7-foot-1 center they think can develop into something special.



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