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Just the messenger... more OBJ "fun"

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/16/2020 10:39 pm
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Time to look in the mirror. This is embarrassing. And where are the hanger-ons he rolls with regularly to save him from himself in this situation?
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RE: some of you guys are delusional  
Jim in Tampa : 1/17/2020 8:52 am : link
In comment 14783037 bc4life said:
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never should have drafted him - arguably the best wr the team ever had, the only offensive weapon we had who opposing teams had to game plan for. teammates liked him.

became a pain in the ass to the staff so they thought return on investment wasn't worth the headache.Fine, I was okay with the trade if that's the decision the team felt they needed to make. But, you guys the fixation and piling on this guy for juvenile knucklehead behavior is f'in ridiculous.

I agree.

OBJ is immature and does stupid stuff. But while he was with the Giants he played hard and his teammates loved him.

I get that people supported the trade and I also understand why many think his behavior is bizarre. I just don't understand all the hate.

Odell had a better trip  
St. Jimmy : 1/17/2020 8:53 am : link
to the National Championship Game than Ray Lewis had to Superbowl XXXIV. So he has that going for him.
RE: You can't go back..  
Klaatu : 1/17/2020 8:54 am : link
In comment 14783070 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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after the fact and post Donald and Martin's stats and make it sound like a no-brainer.

What if they took Ja'Waun James or Dominique Easley?? They wouldn't have done much to improve the trenches.

Beckham was a fine pick. He also ended up being a complete headcase.


It damn sure was a no-brainer to me, and I wasn't the only one. No one was putting Ja'Wuan James or Dominique Easley in the same class as Donald and Martin. No one.
The point is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/17/2020 8:57 am : link
the pick was a fine pick. Odell was an excellent player.

Going back now and acting as if it was definitely the wrong pick is revisionist history, and isn't even accurate.

Darnold, Martin and Odell have all been great players.
Klaatu  
bc4life : 1/17/2020 8:59 am : link
20-20 hindsight and you're missing the point. You judge the draft pick based on his on the field performance. Does the player's performance justify the rank of the pick. You're arguing that his performance does not - I disagree.

Not going to spend any more time aguing about OBJ - life's too short and it's not that important, which was the main point of my original post
FMiC  
Klaatu : 1/17/2020 9:10 am : link
Saquon Barkley was a fine pick and an excellent player, too, but I wouldn't have drafted him at #2, opting instead for Bradley Chubb or Quentin Nelson. For me, the 2018 draft was 2014 all over again. Call it a philosophical difference on how a team should be put together.
Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/17/2020 9:13 am : link
you keep naming guys you would have picked who have turned out to be studs.

What if we pick Rosen there? You can argue a RB is poor value at #2, fine. We likely go QB if we didn't take Barkley, or we take Chubb who jut lost an entire year to injury.

You can't argue Odell was a poor value where he was drafted. He was the third WR taken that year.
everyone here  
UConn4523 : 1/17/2020 9:15 am : link
has a perfect track record of guessing picks, haha.

I generally stay off these threads but some of this stuff is comical. Beckham was absolutely worth the pick, it just didn't end well. Both can be true (and they are).
OBJ vs Donald vs Martin pre-draft debates  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2020 9:18 am : link
were quite animated. Mostly recall Donald vs Martin as many on BBI didn't see the OBJ thing actually happening.

Much of the silly rhetoric was around...

- you can't take Martin because you don't pick Guards that high in a draft
- Donald may be fast but he is too small to be a good DT in the NFL and won't hold up
RE: everyone here  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2020 9:20 am : link
In comment 14783116 UConn4523 said:
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has a perfect track record of guessing picks, haha.

I generally stay off these threads but some of this stuff is comical. Beckham was absolutely worth the pick, it just didn't end well. Both can be true (and they are).


agreed.

Although the NYG need to take a break from picking WRs in the first round...for the next decade
RE: Well..  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2020 9:23 am : link
In comment 14783110 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you keep naming guys you would have picked who have turned out to be studs.

What if we pick Rosen there? You can argue a RB is poor value at #2, fine. We likely go QB if we didn't take Barkley, or we take Chubb who jut lost an entire year to injury.

You can't argue Odell was a poor value where he was drafted. He was the third WR taken that year.


I think it has been widely thought that Chubb was their alternative choice at #2. And his injury isn't relevant to this topic just like Sb's high ankle sprain isn't...
I wouldn't have picked Rosen, or any QB in 2018.  
Klaatu : 1/17/2020 9:37 am : link
I wasn't crazy about any of them, and I wasn't ready to give up on Eli. I named the guys that I would have picked. It's not like I was suggesting Marcus Davenport or Isaiah Wynn at #2. Chubb and Nelson would hardly have been considered reaches (and no one can predict injuries. That was a cheap shot).

The point is that in my view when you're weak in the trenches you have no business drafting a skill player before you attempt to fortify your lines. I'd make an exception if I had a conviction on a potential franchise QB, but that's it. As for OBJ's value, was it that much greater than Jarvis Landry's, Allen Robinson's, or Davante Adams', who all went in the 2nd Round?
Drunk, high or sober, the guy acts like an asshole for public....  
Crispino : 1/17/2020 9:40 am : link
consumption. Thought so when he was here, with the kicking net and fighting with opposing players, and the boat adventure, and I still think he acts like an asshole, as evidenced by putting LSU players in compromising position after the Clemson game. Talented guy, does some good things off the field, but it appears like heís never going to grow up and Iím glad heís on someone elseís team. On net, heís not worth the headaches.
OB was a much better player than those WRs  
JonC : 1/17/2020 9:43 am : link
so, yes his value was much higher. For the #12 overall pick, he was outstanding value. His injuries and lack of a brain are after the fact.

I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.
The problem for NYG was  
JonC : 1/17/2020 9:44 am : link
virtually all their attempts and resources spent on the OL failed.
RE: He's 27  
PatersonPlank : 1/17/2020 9:55 am : link
In comment 14782966 BH28 said:
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His alma mater just won more games in one year than his professional teams have won in the last three years combined.

Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl?

I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed.

I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.


The only double standard here is the length some will go to defend his behavior. This is exactly why he acts like this, he has been probably getting away with this his whole life because of people who think like you. The "oh he's so talented, he's just misunderstood" or worse rationale.

At some point you need to just stand up and tell him he's acting like an ass
Re-watch all those clip only this times  
rasbutant : 1/17/2020 9:58 am : link
Imagine Rob Gronkowski in Beckham's place.

Do the acts give you the same reaction? Or is it just Gronk being drunk frat boy Gronk having a good time goofing off.
I liked him while he was here  
GiantsLaw : 1/17/2020 9:59 am : link
I thought most of his antics were overblown. Specifically his earholing Norman, which I saw as standing up to a bully. But I'm glad he's not on the team anymore, so we don't have to talk about him.


oh wait...
RE: OB was a much better player than those WRs  
FStubbs : 1/17/2020 9:59 am : link
In comment 14783160 JonC said:
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so, yes his value was much higher. For the #12 overall pick, he was outstanding value. His injuries and lack of a brain are after the fact.

I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.


But to use your analogy, in this case we would've had Zach Martin. And Dallas probably has Johnny Football.
OBJ was a fine pick, the talent was there  
Rudy5757 : 1/17/2020 9:59 am : link
lets not add to the drama. the fact is that the Giants realized that the kid was never going to grow up and traded him which many now see how his talent has diminished since his injury and his antics are still going strong.

A man that is 27 years old needs to make better life decisions. This is a guy that could have been a great ambassador for the game and himself well beyond his playing days and it looks like he is going the Antonio Brown route where his stupidity is out weighing his talent.

OBJ is probably going to cut his own career short by doing something stupid, he is not the type of player I want to root for and not the type of player I want my kids to root for. I am glad he is no longer on this team. its a shame he cant get out of his own way because he could have been one of the greatest of all time and I doubt he ever gets back to the top levels of the game again.
RE: RE: OB was a much better player than those WRs  
JonC : 1/17/2020 10:01 am : link
In comment 14783196 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14783160 JonC said:


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so, yes his value was much higher. For the #12 overall pick, he was outstanding value. His injuries and lack of a brain are after the fact.

I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.



But to use your analogy, in this case we would've had Zach Martin. And Dallas probably has Johnny Football.


It depends on your scouting and grading accuracy (and sometimes bias). OGs tend to not get those high grades, even Martin in my opinion hasn't been the world beater his supporters believed he was.
I was wrong about Aaron Donald  
JonC : 1/17/2020 10:02 am : link
and he would've been my pick in hindsight.
TRADING OBJ WAS BRILLIANT  
x meadowlander : 1/17/2020 10:03 am : link
Thank GOD he's gone.
RE: I was wrong about Aaron Donald  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/17/2020 10:05 am : link
In comment 14783202 JonC said:
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and he would've been my pick in hindsight.


His lack of size scared the hell out of me.
Hopefully the days of drafting shiny new toys in the 1st round are  
RobCrossRiver56 : 1/17/2020 10:06 am : link
over and our new coach will assist in drafting players that can actually help us win football games.
RE: RE: I was wrong about Aaron Donald  
JonC : 1/17/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 14783212 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14783202 JonC said:


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and he would've been my pick in hindsight.



His lack of size scared the hell out of me.


Same here, and NYG has done darn well picking DTs in the second round.
FWIW, the clip makes me sad...  
x meadowlander : 1/17/2020 10:08 am : link
...OBJ was a narcissist, a jerk, over-emotional, a primadonna, but he wasn't crazy, wasn't abusive or disrespectful in general, wasn't a substance abuser or alcoholic, didn't have arrests or any of that shit.

Now?

It's tragic. We ALL had visions of this kid hoisting a Lombardi in Giant Blue, of giving us many years of jaw-dropping heroics, of being a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

I feel like OBJ has crested the top of the waterfall. I worry for him.
That video was alarming  
VinegarPeppers : 1/17/2020 10:09 am : link
So shocking and upsetting to see a young man fall that far. Especially a guy we all supported as a NY Giant. I hope someone gets to him and that he has a Harry Carson out there to help him through this.

Heís no longer a Giant but as a former, and a young man with everything to live for, I pray he can turn his life around.

That was very ďstreet-addictĒ looking to me.

Iím going to pray for OBJ.
I watched  
PaulN : 1/17/2020 10:12 am : link
OBJ practice and thought, Oh my God we could have a player like when we had LT, he was that good, and his talent was never a question, Martin is a fucking guard, and Aaron Donald an undersized DT, taking Beckham when we did was a great move, he was the most dynamic player in that draft. The Giants can't be accountable for how a person matures, or doesn't, you can question if signing him to that huge contract was smart, although I would have done it, no doubt, but to question if we should have drafted him is total bullshit from people looking back and having a 7 year look into the future crystal ball.
I was truly excited about OBJ...  
x meadowlander : 1/17/2020 10:32 am : link
...and so psyched that the Giants were so fortunate to land him.

Until the Josh Norman game.

That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.

I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.
RE: RE: Famous guy gets dunk at national championship  
Section331 : 1/17/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 14782926 Eric from BBI said:
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He's not 17, 18, 19.

And he upstaging kids who accomplished what he couldn't.


I'm pretty sure those kids were in the locker room by that time. Yeah, it looks like he had a little too much, but I watched that video thinking "what did I miss?", and I'm far from an Odell apologist.
RE: OB was a much better player than those WRs  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14783160 JonC said:
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so, yes his value was much higher. For the #12 overall pick, he was outstanding value. His injuries and lack of a brain are after the fact.

I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.


Mike Evans was the goods...and has absolutely justified his value at #7 with elite consistent production and w/o the drama...
RE: I was truly excited about OBJ...  
UConn4523 : 1/17/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14783259 x meadowlander said:
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...and so psyched that the Giants were so fortunate to land him.

Until the Josh Norman game.

That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.

I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.


That's overly dramatic. We see cheap shots all the time and mostly, its a one off occurrence, save for guys like Burfict or Garrett, etc. Most of the time you get a Gronk/AJ Green scenario and it never really happens again, and it didn't with Beckham.

Beckham's issues are hard to pinpoint. I fully believe most of this started out as a way to pump his brand (which worked) and its recently just gotten to be too much. But, he still hasn't really hurt anyone other than himself (and really only embarrassing himself) so in the grand scheme of things he's just a guy to laugh at.

If Beckham broke out in fame as a Buffalo Bill and then got shipped to Cleveland for the same reasons none of us would care.
Related to 1st round set of WRs  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2020 10:48 am : link
...
RE: RE: I was truly excited about OBJ...  
x meadowlander : 1/17/2020 11:16 am : link
In comment 14783293 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14783259 x meadowlander said:


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...and so psyched that the Giants were so fortunate to land him.

Until the Josh Norman game.

That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.

I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.



That's overly dramatic. We see cheap shots all the time and mostly, its a one off occurrence, save for guys like Burfict or Garrett, etc. Most of the time you get a Gronk/AJ Green scenario and it never really happens again, and it didn't with Beckham.

It wasn't a 'one-off' cheap shot. It progressed over the course of a game, he was being talked to on the sideline and ignored it and on the play in question, it wasn't an instantaneous, anger-in-the-moment event - it was a full run across the field like a missile. It was premeditated, and I think if he'd have actually broken Norman's neck (which that hit WELL could have) the discussion would be much different.

He had years to change his ways. He didn't. He was a fuckstick then, and he's worse now.

His own worst enemy.
I like watching him fail  
giantsFC : 1/17/2020 11:20 am : link
I tried many times to take his side of all these Ordeals he pulls out of the idiot bag.

Itís obvious he was/is a problem that is detrimental to winning in this profession.

Maybe he changes, but by the time he does, he will most likely be a shell of himself.
RE: RE: RE: I was truly excited about OBJ...  
UConn4523 : 1/17/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 14783331 x meadowlander said:
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In comment 14783293 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 14783259 x meadowlander said:


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...and so psyched that the Giants were so fortunate to land him.

Until the Josh Norman game.

That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.

I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.



That's overly dramatic. We see cheap shots all the time and mostly, its a one off occurrence, save for guys like Burfict or Garrett, etc. Most of the time you get a Gronk/AJ Green scenario and it never really happens again, and it didn't with Beckham.



It wasn't a 'one-off' cheap shot. It progressed over the course of a game, he was being talked to on the sideline and ignored it and on the play in question, it wasn't an instantaneous, anger-in-the-moment event - it was a full run across the field like a missile. It was premeditated, and I think if he'd have actually broken Norman's neck (which that hit WELL could have) the discussion would be much different.

He had years to change his ways. He didn't. He was a fuckstick then, and he's worse now.

His own worst enemy.


yes it was a one-off. It never happened again after that game. Of course things progressed that day, we see that happen a lot in the NFL. Him being a me first douchebag has nothing to do with that spear hit on Josh Norman.

The two have nothing to do with each other unless you can show me another time he tried to intentionally hurt someone. I actually think he learned a lot from that day, he just regressed in other areas.
Mike Francesa:  
Mr. Bungle : 1/17/2020 11:33 am : link
"I have been Odell Beckham's worst nightmare since the day he stepped into New York."
RE: Re-watch all those clip only this times  
PatersonPlank : 1/17/2020 11:46 am : link
In comment 14783194 rasbutant said:
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Imagine Rob Gronkowski in Beckham's place.

Do the acts give you the same reaction? Or is it just Gronk being drunk frat boy Gronk having a good time goofing off.


When in doubt, jeep playing the race card.
Watched the video  
TommyWiseau : 1/17/2020 11:52 am : link
Again, it seems like this is a security guard not Law enforcement personel. After watching the video again he actually tosses something toward the security guards head before he smacks him in the ass (looks like a piece of paper or something) Then mocks him to his face. Either way, he looks foolish and this is not a good look for him
RE: I watched  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/17/2020 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14783223 PaulN said:
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OBJ practice and thought, Oh my God we could have a player like when we had LT, he was that good, and his talent was never a question, Martin is a fucking guard, and Aaron Donald an undersized DT, taking Beckham when we did was a great move, he was the most dynamic player in that draft. The Giants can't be accountable for how a person matures, or doesn't, you can question if signing him to that huge contract was smart, although I would have done it, no doubt, but to question if we should have drafted him is total bullshit from people looking back and having a 7 year look into the future crystal ball.

There was a big contigent of Martin and Donald guys on bbi. OBJ was a slight "reach" aND not many mentitled him. I was crestfallen Detroit took Ebron XD
Guy  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/17/2020 12:56 pm : link
has lost his sh*t. He has the feel of an addict. Needing the constant high of celebrity. I don't think he is a bad guy per se, but he has turned into a bad teammate in the sense that everything needs to be about him. Great teammates are willing to sacrifice their accomplishments to make the team better, he is the exact opposite.

The constant showing up of the QB in NY was the start. He will be out of football and forgotten before he knows it. Winners ultimately are remembered.
no he clearly has some type  
mdc1 : 1/17/2020 1:49 pm : link
of mental issue. I keep hearing rational adults simply just say that he is crazy and that is why it never stops. Would not be surprised. He can't seem to process his own behavior, reflect and adjust for the good.
those of you defending him  
BigBlueWC : 1/17/2020 1:52 pm : link
are pathetic
Itís a shame  
Les in TO : 1/17/2020 3:02 pm : link
Could have been a hall of famer. But inability to deal with fame and fortune has turned him into a clown.
RE: those of you defending him  
UConn4523 : 1/17/2020 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14783603 BigBlueWC said:
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are pathetic


Iím not defending him, heís a moron. The only thing I donít agree with is the Norman cues being a precursor to everything. He never got into an on field altercation again after that day, is that a fact or am I making that up?

He went downhill elsewhere but he wasnít a dirty player, he had a really bad moment and then it didnít happen again.
If you have ever tried cocaine ...  
ELI THE GOAT : 1/17/2020 3:56 pm : link
... then you can tell he sure is acting like he is high on coke.
imagine we picked an interior offensive lineman  
Platos : 1/17/2020 4:16 pm : link
#2 overall
RE: You can't go back..  
Matt M. : 1/17/2020 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14783070 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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after the fact and post Donald and Martin's stats and make it sound like a no-brainer.

What if they took Ja'Waun James or Dominique Easley?? They wouldn't have done much to improve the trenches.

Beckham was a fine pick. He also ended up being a complete headcase.
This is the take I agree with.
The apologies for him are getting out of control  
Matt M. : 1/17/2020 8:49 pm : link
First of all 27 is no longer still a kid right out of school. Second of all, he was clearly either highly intoxicated or high or both. But, he was long gone; like out of his mind. Then, there are at least 3 or 4 videos now from that game where he acted strange, out of control, inappropriate, etc. This isn't one isolated incident. This is one thing after another and I wouldn't be shocked if another video or two surfaces from that night.
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