Jordan Raanan
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Time to look in the mirror. This is embarrassing. And where are the hanger-ons he rolls with regularly to save him from himself in this situation?
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He was a jerk well before that.
Well that’s the closest he’ll ever get to a championship
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the one-handed catch against the Cowboys was the worst thing that could have happened to him.
He was a jerk well before that.
Some people can’t handle fame
I don't know anything about his dad, but if he was my son, it would break my heart.
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Welcome to Cleveland, Kevin Stefanski.
Here's hoping he does the smart thing and persuades Haslem to trade OBJ.
He's not 17, 18, 19.
And he upstaging kids who accomplished what he couldn't.
But he is remarkably immature, in every facet of his life. It was bad when he was in his early 20s, but to still show no signs of maturation by this point, well, it gets more and more troubling with every passing day
Ehhh, I kinda feel like its the cocaine
I don’t remember you ever mentioning Odell
As such, good riddance and good trade by management.
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Serious? GoTerps has been after OBJ since 2015’s Panther game
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I don’t remember you ever mentioning Odell
Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl?
I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed.
I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.
Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl?
I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed.
I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.
Wow
There is much more there than being "Drunk".
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I don’t remember you ever mentioning Odell
Yes, he did numerous times. From the Panthers game on Go Terps was on target with him
Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl?
I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed.
I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.
Who the hell is turning a "Blind eye to LT"?
Hey, let's create a ridiculous straw dog argument..LOL
Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl?
I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed.
I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.
So up to what age is allowed to do dumb things? The dude is immature and doesn’t get it.
What a mistake it was drafting him. And giving him the second contract.
hahaha
Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl?
I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed.
I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.
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Agree with this 100%...
What happened on that day and after really is a true bit of irony. A WR makes a great catch displaying incredible talent in a game the team ultimately lost anyway and that point was lost on the majority of the fans.
Meanwhile, many (including myself) point to many of the outspoken and yet talented WRs in history whose team has never won anything significant during his time on the roster.
A lot of flash, highlights, maybe fantasy points, clicks, youtube video highlights, etc.
Never should've drafted him in the first place; I don't care how suspect our WR corps was at the time.
The Rams and the Cowboys can't thank us enough.
The shit some of you guys get fixated on. Immature and dumb behavior by a guy who is no longer even on the team.
He also did a lot of charitable things as well, still does.
Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl?
I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed.
I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.
But he is in the public spotlight. With all the perks that come with that status also come some different expectations. OBJ never seemed to understand that, his lack of awareness as to appropriate behavior in the public forum has been consistent throughout his career.
became a pain in the ass to the staff so they thought return on investment wasn't worth the headache.Fine, I was okay with the trade if that's the decision the team felt they needed to make. But, you guys the fixation and piling on this guy for juvenile knucklehead behavior is f'in ridiculous.
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As for his antics at the LSU game, he got drunk/high and made an ass of himself. I'll admit, it was very publicly, and perhaps even spectacularly so. But I'm sure no poster on this board ever woke up the next morning and realized that his or her behavior the night before was not as it should have been. The internet and media are going to paint this as some kind of melt down because it's a "story" or gossip to get clicks. It's not. He's kind of a strange, maybe immature guy, but he's not an addict or a bad guy.
became a pain in the ass to the staff so they thought return on investment wasn't worth the headache.Fine, I was okay with the trade if that's the decision the team felt they needed to make. But, you guys the fixation and piling on this guy for juvenile knucklehead behavior is f'in ridiculous.
Delusional? Hardly.
Passing on Aaron Donald...
6× Pro Bowl (2014–2019)
5× First-team All-Pro (2015–2019)
2× NFL Defensive Player of the Year (2017, 2018)
NFL sacks leader (2018)
NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year (2014)
And Zack Martin...
6× Pro Bowl (2014–2019)
4× First-team All-Pro (2014, 2016, 2018, 2019)
2× Second-team All-Pro (2015, 2017)
To draft a WR was delusional, and it doesn't matter if he was the best WR the Giants ever had. The game is won in the trenches - both sides of them - not by flashy WR's who make one-handed catches in losing efforts.
Almost spit out my coffee. Nice work
What if they took Ja'Waun James or Dominique Easley?? They wouldn't have done much to improve the trenches.
Beckham was a fine pick. He also ended up being a complete headcase.
became a pain in the ass to the staff so they thought return on investment wasn't worth the headache.Fine, I was okay with the trade if that's the decision the team felt they needed to make. But, you guys the fixation and piling on this guy for juvenile knucklehead behavior is f'in ridiculous.
I agree.
OBJ is immature and does stupid stuff. But while he was with the Giants he played hard and his teammates loved him.
I get that people supported the trade and I also understand why many think his behavior is bizarre. I just don't understand all the hate.
What if they took Ja'Waun James or Dominique Easley?? They wouldn't have done much to improve the trenches.
Beckham was a fine pick. He also ended up being a complete headcase.
It damn sure was a no-brainer to me, and I wasn't the only one. No one was putting Ja'Wuan James or Dominique Easley in the same class as Donald and Martin. No one.
Going back now and acting as if it was definitely the wrong pick is revisionist history, and isn't even accurate.
Darnold, Martin and Odell have all been great players.
Not going to spend any more time aguing about OBJ - life's too short and it's not that important, which was the main point of my original post
What if we pick Rosen there? You can argue a RB is poor value at #2, fine. We likely go QB if we didn't take Barkley, or we take Chubb who jut lost an entire year to injury.
You can't argue Odell was a poor value where he was drafted. He was the third WR taken that year.
I generally stay off these threads but some of this stuff is comical. Beckham was absolutely worth the pick, it just didn't end well. Both can be true (and they are).
Much of the silly rhetoric was around...
- you can't take Martin because you don't pick Guards that high in a draft
- Donald may be fast but he is too small to be a good DT in the NFL and won't hold up
I generally stay off these threads but some of this stuff is comical. Beckham was absolutely worth the pick, it just didn't end well. Both can be true (and they are).
agreed.
Although the NYG need to take a break from picking WRs in the first round...for the next decade
What if we pick Rosen there? You can argue a RB is poor value at #2, fine. We likely go QB if we didn't take Barkley, or we take Chubb who jut lost an entire year to injury.
You can't argue Odell was a poor value where he was drafted. He was the third WR taken that year.
I think it has been widely thought that Chubb was their alternative choice at #2. And his injury isn't relevant to this topic just like Sb's high ankle sprain isn't...
The point is that in my view when you're weak in the trenches you have no business drafting a skill player before you attempt to fortify your lines. I'd make an exception if I had a conviction on a potential franchise QB, but that's it. As for OBJ's value, was it that much greater than Jarvis Landry's, Allen Robinson's, or Davante Adams', who all went in the 2nd Round?
I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.
Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl?
I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed.
I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.
The only double standard here is the length some will go to defend his behavior. This is exactly why he acts like this, he has been probably getting away with this his whole life because of people who think like you. The "oh he's so talented, he's just misunderstood" or worse rationale.
At some point you need to just stand up and tell him he's acting like an ass
Do the acts give you the same reaction? Or is it just Gronk being drunk frat boy Gronk having a good time goofing off.
oh wait...
I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.
But to use your analogy, in this case we would've had Zach Martin. And Dallas probably has Johnny Football.
A man that is 27 years old needs to make better life decisions. This is a guy that could have been a great ambassador for the game and himself well beyond his playing days and it looks like he is going the Antonio Brown route where his stupidity is out weighing his talent.
OBJ is probably going to cut his own career short by doing something stupid, he is not the type of player I want to root for and not the type of player I want my kids to root for. I am glad he is no longer on this team. its a shame he cant get out of his own way because he could have been one of the greatest of all time and I doubt he ever gets back to the top levels of the game again.
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so, yes his value was much higher. For the #12 overall pick, he was outstanding value. His injuries and lack of a brain are after the fact.
I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.
But to use your analogy, in this case we would've had Zach Martin. And Dallas probably has Johnny Football.
It depends on your scouting and grading accuracy (and sometimes bias). OGs tend to not get those high grades, even Martin in my opinion hasn't been the world beater his supporters believed he was.
His lack of size scared the hell out of me.
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and he would've been my pick in hindsight.
His lack of size scared the hell out of me.
Same here, and NYG has done darn well picking DTs in the second round.
Now?
It's tragic. We ALL had visions of this kid hoisting a Lombardi in Giant Blue, of giving us many years of jaw-dropping heroics, of being a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
I feel like OBJ has crested the top of the waterfall. I worry for him.
He’s no longer a Giant but as a former, and a young man with everything to live for, I pray he can turn his life around.
That was very “street-addict” looking to me.
I’m going to pray for OBJ.
Until the Josh Norman game.
That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.
I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.
He's not 17, 18, 19.
And he upstaging kids who accomplished what he couldn't.
I'm pretty sure those kids were in the locker room by that time. Yeah, it looks like he had a little too much, but I watched that video thinking "what did I miss?", and I'm far from an Odell apologist.
I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.
Mike Evans was the goods...and has absolutely justified his value at #7 with elite consistent production and w/o the drama...
Until the Josh Norman game.
That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.
I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.
That's overly dramatic. We see cheap shots all the time and mostly, its a one off occurrence, save for guys like Burfict or Garrett, etc. Most of the time you get a Gronk/AJ Green scenario and it never really happens again, and it didn't with Beckham.
Beckham's issues are hard to pinpoint. I fully believe most of this started out as a way to pump his brand (which worked) and its recently just gotten to be too much. But, he still hasn't really hurt anyone other than himself (and really only embarrassing himself) so in the grand scheme of things he's just a guy to laugh at.
If Beckham broke out in fame as a Buffalo Bill and then got shipped to Cleveland for the same reasons none of us would care.
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...and so psyched that the Giants were so fortunate to land him.
Until the Josh Norman game.
That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.
I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.
That's overly dramatic. We see cheap shots all the time and mostly, its a one off occurrence, save for guys like Burfict or Garrett, etc. Most of the time you get a Gronk/AJ Green scenario and it never really happens again, and it didn't with Beckham.
He had years to change his ways. He didn't. He was a fuckstick then, and he's worse now.
His own worst enemy.
It’s obvious he was/is a problem that is detrimental to winning in this profession.
Maybe he changes, but by the time he does, he will most likely be a shell of himself.
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...and so psyched that the Giants were so fortunate to land him.
Until the Josh Norman game.
That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.
I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.
That's overly dramatic. We see cheap shots all the time and mostly, its a one off occurrence, save for guys like Burfict or Garrett, etc. Most of the time you get a Gronk/AJ Green scenario and it never really happens again, and it didn't with Beckham.
It wasn't a 'one-off' cheap shot. It progressed over the course of a game, he was being talked to on the sideline and ignored it and on the play in question, it wasn't an instantaneous, anger-in-the-moment event - it was a full run across the field like a missile. It was premeditated, and I think if he'd have actually broken Norman's neck (which that hit WELL could have) the discussion would be much different.
He had years to change his ways. He didn't. He was a fuckstick then, and he's worse now.
His own worst enemy.
yes it was a one-off. It never happened again after that game. Of course things progressed that day, we see that happen a lot in the NFL. Him being a me first douchebag has nothing to do with that spear hit on Josh Norman.
The two have nothing to do with each other unless you can show me another time he tried to intentionally hurt someone. I actually think he learned a lot from that day, he just regressed in other areas.
Do the acts give you the same reaction? Or is it just Gronk being drunk frat boy Gronk having a good time goofing off.
When in doubt, jeep playing the race card.
There was a big contigent of Martin and Donald guys on bbi. OBJ was a slight "reach" aND not many mentitled him. I was crestfallen Detroit took Ebron XD
The constant showing up of the QB in NY was the start. He will be out of football and forgotten before he knows it. Winners ultimately are remembered.
I’m not defending him, he’s a moron. The only thing I don’t agree with is the Norman cues being a precursor to everything. He never got into an on field altercation again after that day, is that a fact or am I making that up?
He went downhill elsewhere but he wasn’t a dirty player, he had a really bad moment and then it didn’t happen again.
What if they took Ja'Waun James or Dominique Easley?? They wouldn't have done much to improve the trenches.
Beckham was a fine pick. He also ended up being a complete headcase.