Just the messenger... more OBJ "fun"

Clownshow

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He is just sooooo passionate, it not his fault he acts that way and if you disagree you're clearly a racist.

What a clown show he is.

Off his ass in that video

In comment 14782897 PatersonPlank said:

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Its their fault. If the band wasn't there OB would be fine

hahaha

In comment 14782966 BH28 said:

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His alma mater just won more games in one year than his professional teams have won in the last three years combined. Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl? I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed. I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.

sigh

he's got issues.

In comment 14782911 Eric from BBI said:

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the one-handed catch against the Cowboys was the worst thing that could have happened to him.

Agree with this 100%...

What happened on that day and after really is a true bit of irony. A WR makes a great catch displaying incredible talent in a game the team ultimately lost anyway and that point was lost on the majority of the fans.

Meanwhile, many (including myself) point to many of the outspoken and yet talented WRs in history whose team has never won anything significant during his time on the roster.

A lot of flash, highlights, maybe fantasy points, clicks, youtube video highlights, etc.

to go. This stuff (obviously drugs of some sort) and his clear psychological issues are a freaking disaster waiting to happen. He is not the player he was early on and the more fame and money he gets the more the worst parts of his make up, his character come out on display.

In comment 14782911 Eric from BBI said:

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the one-handed catch against the Cowboys was the worst thing that could have happened to him.

Never should've drafted him in the first place; I don't care how suspect our WR corps was at the time.

The Rams and the Cowboys can't thank us enough.

"Hes only 43, his kids are barely out of middle school. What, youve never smoked some crack while on the way to pick up your daughter and her friends at the mall? I mean, LT would've tried to fuck them, Im not gonna judge a guy for taking a little blast on a Friday night."

in a megaphone - he's a regular Bin Laden.

The shit some of you guys get fixated on. Immature and dumb behavior by a guy who is no longer even on the team.

He also did a lot of charitable things as well, still does.

In comment 14782966 BH28 said:

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His alma mater just won more games in one year than his professional teams have won in the last three years combined. Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl? I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed. I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.

But he is in the public spotlight. With all the perks that come with that status also come some different expectations. OBJ never seemed to understand that, his lack of awareness as to appropriate behavior in the public forum has been consistent throughout his career.

never should have drafted him - arguably the best wr the team ever had, the only offensive weapon we had who opposing teams had to game plan for. teammates liked him.

became a pain in the ass to the staff so they thought return on investment wasn't worth the headache.Fine, I was okay with the trade if that's the decision the team felt they needed to make. But, you guys the fixation and piling on this guy for juvenile knucklehead behavior is f'in ridiculous.

Needs help, desperately. I hope he realizes it and gets it before this becomes a tragedy.

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prima donna receivers who were much, much worse teammates them him; I don't get the hate here, except maybe as sour grapes.

As for his antics at the LSU game, he got drunk/high and made an ass of himself. I'll admit, it was very publicly, and perhaps even spectacularly so. But I'm sure no poster on this board ever woke up the next morning and realized that his or her behavior the night before was not as it should have been. The internet and media are going to paint this as some kind of melt down because it's a "story" or gossip to get clicks. It's not. He's kind of a strange, maybe immature guy, but he's not an addict or a bad guy.

In comment 14783037 bc4life said:

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never should have drafted him - arguably the best wr the team ever had, the only offensive weapon we had who opposing teams had to game plan for. teammates liked him. became a pain in the ass to the staff so they thought return on investment wasn't worth the headache.Fine, I was okay with the trade if that's the decision the team felt they needed to make. But, you guys the fixation and piling on this guy for juvenile knucklehead behavior is f'in ridiculous.

Delusional? Hardly.

Passing on Aaron Donald...
6× Pro Bowl (2014–2019)
5× First-team All-Pro (2015–2019)
2× NFL Defensive Player of the Year (2017, 2018)
NFL sacks leader (2018)
NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year (2014)

And Zack Martin...
6× Pro Bowl (2014–2019)
4× First-team All-Pro (2014, 2016, 2018, 2019)
2× Second-team All-Pro (2015, 2017)

To draft a WR was delusional, and it doesn't matter if he was the best WR the Giants ever had. The game is won in the trenches - both sides of them - not by flashy WR's who make one-handed catches in losing efforts.

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In comment 14783028 j_rud said:

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"Hes only 43, his kids are barely out of middle school. What, youve never smoked some crack while on the way to pick up your daughter and her friends at the mall? I mean, LT would've tried to fuck them, Im not gonna judge a guy for taking a little blast on a Friday night."

Almost spit out my coffee. Nice work

after the fact and post Donald and Martin's stats and make it sound like a no-brainer.

What if they took Ja'Waun James or Dominique Easley?? They wouldn't have done much to improve the trenches.

Beckham was a fine pick. He also ended up being a complete headcase.

In comment 14783037 bc4life said:

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never should have drafted him - arguably the best wr the team ever had, the only offensive weapon we had who opposing teams had to game plan for. teammates liked him. became a pain in the ass to the staff so they thought return on investment wasn't worth the headache.Fine, I was okay with the trade if that's the decision the team felt they needed to make. But, you guys the fixation and piling on this guy for juvenile knucklehead behavior is f'in ridiculous.

I agree.

OBJ is immature and does stupid stuff. But while he was with the Giants he played hard and his teammates loved him.

I get that people supported the trade and I also understand why many think his behavior is bizarre. I just don't understand all the hate.

to the National Championship Game than Ray Lewis had to Superbowl XXXIV. So he has that going for him.

In comment 14783070 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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after the fact and post Donald and Martin's stats and make it sound like a no-brainer. What if they took Ja'Waun James or Dominique Easley?? They wouldn't have done much to improve the trenches. Beckham was a fine pick. He also ended up being a complete headcase.

It damn sure was a no-brainer to me, and I wasn't the only one. No one was putting Ja'Wuan James or Dominique Easley in the same class as Donald and Martin. No one.

the pick was a fine pick. Odell was an excellent player.

Going back now and acting as if it was definitely the wrong pick is revisionist history, and isn't even accurate.

Darnold, Martin and Odell have all been great players.

20-20 hindsight and you're missing the point. You judge the draft pick based on his on the field performance. Does the player's performance justify the rank of the pick. You're arguing that his performance does not - I disagree.

Not going to spend any more time aguing about OBJ - life's too short and it's not that important, which was the main point of my original post

Saquon Barkley was a fine pick and an excellent player, too, but I wouldn't have drafted him at #2, opting instead for Bradley Chubb or Quentin Nelson. For me, the 2018 draft was 2014 all over again. Call it a philosophical difference on how a team should be put together.

you keep naming guys you would have picked who have turned out to be studs.

What if we pick Rosen there? You can argue a RB is poor value at #2, fine. We likely go QB if we didn't take Barkley, or we take Chubb who jut lost an entire year to injury.

You can't argue Odell was a poor value where he was drafted. He was the third WR taken that year.

has a perfect track record of guessing picks, haha.

I generally stay off these threads but some of this stuff is comical. Beckham was absolutely worth the pick, it just didn't end well. Both can be true (and they are).

were quite animated. Mostly recall Donald vs Martin as many on BBI didn't see the OBJ thing actually happening.

Much of the silly rhetoric was around...

- you can't take Martin because you don't pick Guards that high in a draft
- Donald may be fast but he is too small to be a good DT in the NFL and won't hold up

In comment 14783116 UConn4523 said:

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has a perfect track record of guessing picks, haha. I generally stay off these threads but some of this stuff is comical. Beckham was absolutely worth the pick, it just didn't end well. Both can be true (and they are).

agreed.

Although the NYG need to take a break from picking WRs in the first round...for the next decade

In comment 14783110 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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you keep naming guys you would have picked who have turned out to be studs. What if we pick Rosen there? You can argue a RB is poor value at #2, fine. We likely go QB if we didn't take Barkley, or we take Chubb who jut lost an entire year to injury. You can't argue Odell was a poor value where he was drafted. He was the third WR taken that year.

I think it has been widely thought that Chubb was their alternative choice at #2. And his injury isn't relevant to this topic just like Sb's high ankle sprain isn't...

I wasn't crazy about any of them, and I wasn't ready to give up on Eli. I named the guys that I would have picked. It's not like I was suggesting Marcus Davenport or Isaiah Wynn at #2. Chubb and Nelson would hardly have been considered reaches (and no one can predict injuries. That was a cheap shot).

The point is that in my view when you're weak in the trenches you have no business drafting a skill player before you attempt to fortify your lines. I'd make an exception if I had a conviction on a potential franchise QB, but that's it. As for OBJ's value, was it that much greater than Jarvis Landry's, Allen Robinson's, or Davante Adams', who all went in the 2nd Round?

consumption. Thought so when he was here, with the kicking net and fighting with opposing players, and the boat adventure, and I still think he acts like an asshole, as evidenced by putting LSU players in compromising position after the Clemson game. Talented guy, does some good things off the field, but it appears like he’s never going to grow up and I’m glad he’s on someone else’s team. On net, he’s not worth the headaches.

so, yes his value was much higher. For the #12 overall pick, he was outstanding value. His injuries and lack of a brain are after the fact.

I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.

virtually all their attempts and resources spent on the OL failed.

In comment 14782966 BH28 said:

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His alma mater just won more games in one year than his professional teams have won in the last three years combined. Did nobody here get drunk and do anything stupid the last time the Giants won the super bowl? I just think there is a ridiculous double standard when it comes to criticizing the guy. I've done a lot of dumb things at 27, I'm just glad I wasn't in the public spotlight to have it hyper analyzed. I'm also a guy who gladly rooted for LT, so to criticize OBJ and turn a blind eye to LT's horseshit would be hypocritical.

The only double standard here is the length some will go to defend his behavior. This is exactly why he acts like this, he has been probably getting away with this his whole life because of people who think like you. The "oh he's so talented, he's just misunderstood" or worse rationale.

At some point you need to just stand up and tell him he's acting like an ass

Imagine Rob Gronkowski in Beckham's place.

Do the acts give you the same reaction? Or is it just Gronk being drunk frat boy Gronk having a good time goofing off.

I thought most of his antics were overblown. Specifically his earholing Norman, which I saw as standing up to a bully. But I'm glad he's not on the team anymore, so we don't have to talk about him.


oh wait...

In comment 14783160 JonC said:

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so, yes his value was much higher. For the #12 overall pick, he was outstanding value. His injuries and lack of a brain are after the fact. I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.

But to use your analogy, in this case we would've had Zach Martin. And Dallas probably has Johnny Football.

lets not add to the drama. the fact is that the Giants realized that the kid was never going to grow up and traded him which many now see how his talent has diminished since his injury and his antics are still going strong.

A man that is 27 years old needs to make better life decisions. This is a guy that could have been a great ambassador for the game and himself well beyond his playing days and it looks like he is going the Antonio Brown route where his stupidity is out weighing his talent.

OBJ is probably going to cut his own career short by doing something stupid, he is not the type of player I want to root for and not the type of player I want my kids to root for. I am glad he is no longer on this team. its a shame he cant get out of his own way because he could have been one of the greatest of all time and I doubt he ever gets back to the top levels of the game again.

In comment 14783196 FStubbs said:

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In comment 14783160 JonC said: Quote: so, yes his value was much higher. For the #12 overall pick, he was outstanding value. His injuries and lack of a brain are after the fact. I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh. But to use your analogy, in this case we would've had Zach Martin. And Dallas probably has Johnny Football.

It depends on your scouting and grading accuracy (and sometimes bias). OGs tend to not get those high grades, even Martin in my opinion hasn't been the world beater his supporters believed he was.

and he would've been my pick in hindsight.

Thank GOD he's gone.

In comment 14783202 JonC said:

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and he would've been my pick in hindsight.

His lack of size scared the hell out of me.

over and our new coach will assist in drafting players that can actually help us win football games.