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Just the messenger... more OBJ "fun"

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/16/2020 10:39 pm
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Time to look in the mirror. This is embarrassing. And where are the hanger-ons he rolls with regularly to save him from himself in this situation?
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RE: RE: I was wrong about Aaron Donald  
JonC : 1/17/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 14783212 Eric from BBI said:
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and he would've been my pick in hindsight.



His lack of size scared the hell out of me.


Same here, and NYG has done darn well picking DTs in the second round.
FWIW, the clip makes me sad...  
x meadowlander : 1/17/2020 10:08 am : link
...OBJ was a narcissist, a jerk, over-emotional, a primadonna, but he wasn't crazy, wasn't abusive or disrespectful in general, wasn't a substance abuser or alcoholic, didn't have arrests or any of that shit.

Now?

It's tragic. We ALL had visions of this kid hoisting a Lombardi in Giant Blue, of giving us many years of jaw-dropping heroics, of being a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

I feel like OBJ has crested the top of the waterfall. I worry for him.
That video was alarming  
VinegarPeppers : 1/17/2020 10:09 am : link
So shocking and upsetting to see a young man fall that far. Especially a guy we all supported as a NY Giant. I hope someone gets to him and that he has a Harry Carson out there to help him through this.

He’s no longer a Giant but as a former, and a young man with everything to live for, I pray he can turn his life around.

That was very “street-addict” looking to me.

I’m going to pray for OBJ.
I watched  
PaulN : 1/17/2020 10:12 am : link
OBJ practice and thought, Oh my God we could have a player like when we had LT, he was that good, and his talent was never a question, Martin is a fucking guard, and Aaron Donald an undersized DT, taking Beckham when we did was a great move, he was the most dynamic player in that draft. The Giants can't be accountable for how a person matures, or doesn't, you can question if signing him to that huge contract was smart, although I would have done it, no doubt, but to question if we should have drafted him is total bullshit from people looking back and having a 7 year look into the future crystal ball.
I was truly excited about OBJ...  
x meadowlander : 1/17/2020 10:32 am : link
...and so psyched that the Giants were so fortunate to land him.

Until the Josh Norman game.

That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.

I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.
RE: RE: Famous guy gets dunk at national championship  
Section331 : 1/17/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 14782926 Eric from BBI said:
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He's not 17, 18, 19.

And he upstaging kids who accomplished what he couldn't.


I'm pretty sure those kids were in the locker room by that time. Yeah, it looks like he had a little too much, but I watched that video thinking "what did I miss?", and I'm far from an Odell apologist.
RE: OB was a much better player than those WRs  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14783160 JonC said:
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so, yes his value was much higher. For the #12 overall pick, he was outstanding value. His injuries and lack of a brain are after the fact.

I want to get the talent. When you shop hungry and force picks you increase the chances you wind up with Erick Flowers or Justin Pugh.


Mike Evans was the goods...and has absolutely justified his value at #7 with elite consistent production and w/o the drama...
RE: I was truly excited about OBJ...  
UConn4523 : 1/17/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14783259 x meadowlander said:
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...and so psyched that the Giants were so fortunate to land him.

Until the Josh Norman game.

That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.

I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.


That's overly dramatic. We see cheap shots all the time and mostly, its a one off occurrence, save for guys like Burfict or Garrett, etc. Most of the time you get a Gronk/AJ Green scenario and it never really happens again, and it didn't with Beckham.

Beckham's issues are hard to pinpoint. I fully believe most of this started out as a way to pump his brand (which worked) and its recently just gotten to be too much. But, he still hasn't really hurt anyone other than himself (and really only embarrassing himself) so in the grand scheme of things he's just a guy to laugh at.

If Beckham broke out in fame as a Buffalo Bill and then got shipped to Cleveland for the same reasons none of us would care.
Related to 1st round set of WRs  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2020 10:48 am : link
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RE: RE: I was truly excited about OBJ...  
x meadowlander : 1/17/2020 11:16 am : link
In comment 14783293 UConn4523 said:
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...and so psyched that the Giants were so fortunate to land him.

Until the Josh Norman game.

That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.

I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.



That's overly dramatic. We see cheap shots all the time and mostly, its a one off occurrence, save for guys like Burfict or Garrett, etc. Most of the time you get a Gronk/AJ Green scenario and it never really happens again, and it didn't with Beckham.

It wasn't a 'one-off' cheap shot. It progressed over the course of a game, he was being talked to on the sideline and ignored it and on the play in question, it wasn't an instantaneous, anger-in-the-moment event - it was a full run across the field like a missile. It was premeditated, and I think if he'd have actually broken Norman's neck (which that hit WELL could have) the discussion would be much different.

He had years to change his ways. He didn't. He was a fuckstick then, and he's worse now.

His own worst enemy.
I like watching him fail  
giantsFC : 1/17/2020 11:20 am : link
I tried many times to take his side of all these Ordeals he pulls out of the idiot bag.

It’s obvious he was/is a problem that is detrimental to winning in this profession.

Maybe he changes, but by the time he does, he will most likely be a shell of himself.
RE: RE: RE: I was truly excited about OBJ...  
UConn4523 : 1/17/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 14783331 x meadowlander said:
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In comment 14783259 x meadowlander said:


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...and so psyched that the Giants were so fortunate to land him.

Until the Josh Norman game.

That to me showed a deep character flaw. That was a game where he refused to listen to reason, refused to listen to his coaches and chose his own emotions, his own ego over all else. That was the day he ceased being a Giant in my eyes.

I did not believe that was recoverable, and sadly, I was right.



That's overly dramatic. We see cheap shots all the time and mostly, its a one off occurrence, save for guys like Burfict or Garrett, etc. Most of the time you get a Gronk/AJ Green scenario and it never really happens again, and it didn't with Beckham.



It wasn't a 'one-off' cheap shot. It progressed over the course of a game, he was being talked to on the sideline and ignored it and on the play in question, it wasn't an instantaneous, anger-in-the-moment event - it was a full run across the field like a missile. It was premeditated, and I think if he'd have actually broken Norman's neck (which that hit WELL could have) the discussion would be much different.

He had years to change his ways. He didn't. He was a fuckstick then, and he's worse now.

His own worst enemy.


yes it was a one-off. It never happened again after that game. Of course things progressed that day, we see that happen a lot in the NFL. Him being a me first douchebag has nothing to do with that spear hit on Josh Norman.

The two have nothing to do with each other unless you can show me another time he tried to intentionally hurt someone. I actually think he learned a lot from that day, he just regressed in other areas.
Mike Francesa:  
Mr. Bungle : 1/17/2020 11:33 am : link
"I have been Odell Beckham's worst nightmare since the day he stepped into New York."
RE: Re-watch all those clip only this times  
PatersonPlank : 1/17/2020 11:46 am : link
In comment 14783194 rasbutant said:
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Imagine Rob Gronkowski in Beckham's place.

Do the acts give you the same reaction? Or is it just Gronk being drunk frat boy Gronk having a good time goofing off.


When in doubt, jeep playing the race card.
Watched the video  
TommyWiseau : 1/17/2020 11:52 am : link
Again, it seems like this is a security guard not Law enforcement personel. After watching the video again he actually tosses something toward the security guards head before he smacks him in the ass (looks like a piece of paper or something) Then mocks him to his face. Either way, he looks foolish and this is not a good look for him
RE: I watched  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/17/2020 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14783223 PaulN said:
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OBJ practice and thought, Oh my God we could have a player like when we had LT, he was that good, and his talent was never a question, Martin is a fucking guard, and Aaron Donald an undersized DT, taking Beckham when we did was a great move, he was the most dynamic player in that draft. The Giants can't be accountable for how a person matures, or doesn't, you can question if signing him to that huge contract was smart, although I would have done it, no doubt, but to question if we should have drafted him is total bullshit from people looking back and having a 7 year look into the future crystal ball.

There was a big contigent of Martin and Donald guys on bbi. OBJ was a slight "reach" aND not many mentitled him. I was crestfallen Detroit took Ebron XD
Guy  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/17/2020 12:56 pm : link
has lost his sh*t. He has the feel of an addict. Needing the constant high of celebrity. I don't think he is a bad guy per se, but he has turned into a bad teammate in the sense that everything needs to be about him. Great teammates are willing to sacrifice their accomplishments to make the team better, he is the exact opposite.

The constant showing up of the QB in NY was the start. He will be out of football and forgotten before he knows it. Winners ultimately are remembered.
no he clearly has some type  
mdc1 : 1/17/2020 1:49 pm : link
of mental issue. I keep hearing rational adults simply just say that he is crazy and that is why it never stops. Would not be surprised. He can't seem to process his own behavior, reflect and adjust for the good.
those of you defending him  
BigBlueWC : 1/17/2020 1:52 pm : link
are pathetic
It’s a shame  
Les in TO : 1/17/2020 3:02 pm : link
Could have been a hall of famer. But inability to deal with fame and fortune has turned him into a clown.
RE: those of you defending him  
UConn4523 : 1/17/2020 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14783603 BigBlueWC said:
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are pathetic


I’m not defending him, he’s a moron. The only thing I don’t agree with is the Norman cues being a precursor to everything. He never got into an on field altercation again after that day, is that a fact or am I making that up?

He went downhill elsewhere but he wasn’t a dirty player, he had a really bad moment and then it didn’t happen again.
If you have ever tried cocaine ...  
ELI THE GOAT : 1/17/2020 3:56 pm : link
... then you can tell he sure is acting like he is high on coke.
imagine we picked an interior offensive lineman  
Platos : 1/17/2020 4:16 pm : link
#2 overall
RE: You can't go back..  
Matt M. : 1/17/2020 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14783070 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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after the fact and post Donald and Martin's stats and make it sound like a no-brainer.

What if they took Ja'Waun James or Dominique Easley?? They wouldn't have done much to improve the trenches.

Beckham was a fine pick. He also ended up being a complete headcase.
This is the take I agree with.
The apologies for him are getting out of control  
Matt M. : 1/17/2020 8:49 pm : link
First of all 27 is no longer still a kid right out of school. Second of all, he was clearly either highly intoxicated or high or both. But, he was long gone; like out of his mind. Then, there are at least 3 or 4 videos now from that game where he acted strange, out of control, inappropriate, etc. This isn't one isolated incident. This is one thing after another and I wouldn't be shocked if another video or two surfaces from that night.
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