Thinning the pass rusher market some more for Yannick to cash in. After the extensions and Franchise tags there won't be too many good players in FA this year Link - ( New Window )
I know he posted a picture of Lawrence Taylor but I would think a lot of pass rushers look up to LT. If a basketball player posted a picture of Michael Jordan on their Instagram I wouldn’t interpret that as a hint they want to play for the Bulls. Think people are reading too much into it.
That said, I’m all in on Conklin. He’ll not come cheaply, but should be a lot cheaper than Ngakoue and it is an area of need
With how little the Giants are paying Jones and Barkley they can easily afford both Ngakoue and Conklin.
Saquon is not making *that* little. He’s the 8th highest paid running back in football. Combination of being the second overall pick and running backs in general not being paid much. That’s part of the positional value conversation with running backs compared to other positions. If you draft a running back really high you never get a discount on the player really.
Saquon is set to make $8.5mm next season, for comparison Nick Chubb who was drafted one round later in the same draft will make about $2mm. I don’t think the Giants are getting four times the value out of Saquon. In fact last year Chubb was the better player - obviously Barkley had an injury but I don’t think the gap is really that big. RB contracts - ( New Window )
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Jones is set to be the 25th highest paid QB next season and is way, way cheaper than the top end guys. So your point is still on the mark, the Giants have flexibility mostly because of Jones. I just wouldn’t toss Saquon into the mix there.
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Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
Crucial info. If it has to do with this knee(s) it's a red flag that must be solved. If it's attitude related, same thing, can't afford to make another painfully expensive mistake on the OL. If the Titans feel he's already in decline, we need to be able to see it and walk away too.
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Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
Crucial info. If it has to do with this knee(s) it's a red flag that must be solved. If it's attitude related, same thing, can't afford to make another painfully expensive mistake on the OL. If the Titans feel he's already in decline, we need to be able to see it and walk away too.
100% agree with this take
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Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
We cannot go into the draft with a need at both tackle spots - that is what forces a reach.
$15M for Conklin seems right. If the Titans had picked up his 5th year they wouldve paid him $12.9M. As most speculate, it seems that they didnt pick it up bc of injury concerns but he started all 16 games this year.
For lack of a better term, my "hope" is that his play suffered bc of much more important issues with his son has distracted him. Now that his son's health seems to be improved, his play may improve as well.
I hate how that sounds and hope it isnt misinterpreted.
Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
We cannot go into the draft with a need at both tackle spots - that is what forces a reach.
$15M for Conklin seems right. If the Titans had picked up his 5th year they wouldve paid him $12.9M. As most speculate, it seems that they didnt pick it up bc of injury concerns but he started all 16 games this year.
What happens if we don't sign Conklin, for whatever reason? There isn't much left in the UFA OT market. Daryl Williams had a terrible year, although Carolina did move him around a lot, LT, LG, RG. At least he appeared healthy, played in all 16 games with 12 starts. He could be Plan B.
the fact is the defense needs immediate help.
maybe its best to spend FA dollars on mostly defense and go into the draft looking for offensive talent. I know this could cause a "reach" but i dont think it would. this draft is loaded with OL talent. you can still go BPA in first round but in second and third, i think id look OL.
Maybe OT and C.
The OL was horrible this year, but it was good enough to help us score some points and with DJ in second year and guys coming back healthy, the offense will be able to score enough to win games. we cant stop anyone.
He had a down year last year recovering from the knee injury. He’s been awesome this year fully recovered.
He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.
The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one I’d feel better about snagging Conklin.
He had a down year last year recovering from the knee injury. He’s been awesome this year fully recovered.
He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.
The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one I’d feel better about snagging Conklin.
I fully expect Ngakoue to be tagged tho with Jax, who knows? As mentioned by a post yesterday, it would appear that tagging Conklin would be less likely given that they passed on picking up his 5th year option. Of course that was probably because of his knee stuff, so they could decide he is now healthy and rather productive again and tag him
He had a down year last year recovering from the knee injury. He’s been awesome this year fully recovered.
He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.
The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one I’d feel better about snagging Conklin.
Okay, fine. But I doubt we'll be the only team bidding for his services, nor will we be the only team with the cap space to sign him, so what if we don't sign him? Do you have a plan B?
He had a down year last year recovering from the knee injury. He’s been awesome this year fully recovered.
He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.
The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one I’d feel better about snagging Conklin.
Okay, fine. But I doubt we'll be the only team bidding for his services, nor will we be the only team with the cap space to sign him, so what if we don't sign him? Do you have a plan B?
I wouldn’t spend money for the sake of spending money.
Plan B for the OL is the draft. I think there’s plenty of good RT prospects in the draft up top and plenty of good LT and C prospects late 1st early 2nd. Trade down and attack OL.
On the open market. There’s an argument that we should pay it but that’s what it will take.
Early indicators are that’s it’s deep at top end OT talent and deeper at OC. If overpaying at Edge in FA allows us to go BPA or trade down at 4 and grab best available OL at 36, it’s probably the play.
On the open market. There’s an argument that we should pay it but that’s what it will take.
Early indicators are that’s it’s deep at top end OT talent and deeper at OC. If overpaying at Edge in FA allows us to go BPA or trade down at 4 and grab best available OL at 36, it’s probably the play.
I don’t see how Yannick impacts the decision at 4. If Young is there at 4 somehow he will be the pick Yannick or no Yannick.
I think addressing the OL in FA impacts 4 more than addressing ER in FA.
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I know he posted a picture of Lawrence Taylor but I would think a lot of pass rushers look up to LT. If a basketball player posted a picture of Michael Jordan on their Instagram I wouldn’t interpret that as a hint they want to play for the Bulls. Think people are reading too much into it.
Jesus. Is that really the reason people are saying "he wants to come here"? Because he posted a picture of LT? Is there any other evidence?
I have to say-- NY sports fans are so quick to take any slight tidbit whatsoever and quickly assume that every athlete wants to come to their team for the "rich tradition" of the franchise and the big market of NYC.
It reminds me of the way Knicks fans think players of this generation still give a shit about the history and mystique of "the Garden." Newsflash: they don't. And this is coming from a Knicks fan.
Giants will be limited in both
Yep like Clowney. Yannick is way to go and hinted he wants to come here. But going to take big money. Let Williams and Golden go if needed.
Same. Gettlemen has been vocal about the need to add a pass rusher too so we can assume that is the number 1 target.
With how little the Giants are paying Jones and Barkley they can easily afford both Ngakoue and Conklin.
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That said, I’m all in on Conklin. He’ll not come cheaply, but should be a lot cheaper than Ngakoue and it is an area of need
With how little the Giants are paying Jones and Barkley they can easily afford both Ngakoue and Conklin.
Saquon is not making *that* little. He’s the 8th highest paid running back in football. Combination of being the second overall pick and running backs in general not being paid much. That’s part of the positional value conversation with running backs compared to other positions. If you draft a running back really high you never get a discount on the player really.
Saquon is set to make $8.5mm next season, for comparison Nick Chubb who was drafted one round later in the same draft will make about $2mm. I don’t think the Giants are getting four times the value out of Saquon. In fact last year Chubb was the better player - obviously Barkley had an injury but I don’t think the gap is really that big.
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Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.
Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
Crucial info. If it has to do with this knee(s) it's a red flag that must be solved. If it's attitude related, same thing, can't afford to make another painfully expensive mistake on the OL. If the Titans feel he's already in decline, we need to be able to see it and walk away too.
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.
Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
Most likely his knee injuries in 2018 (I think both on the same knee) plus a concussion. Figure the Titans wanted to see how he'd do in 2019.
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.
Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
Crucial info. If it has to do with this knee(s) it's a red flag that must be solved. If it's attitude related, same thing, can't afford to make another painfully expensive mistake on the OL. If the Titans feel he's already in decline, we need to be able to see it and walk away too.
100% agree with this take
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.
Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
We cannot go into the draft with a need at both tackle spots - that is what forces a reach.
$15M for Conklin seems right. If the Titans had picked up his 5th year they wouldve paid him $12.9M. As most speculate, it seems that they didnt pick it up bc of injury concerns but he started all 16 games this year.
I do too.
For lack of a better term, my "hope" is that his play suffered bc of much more important issues with his son has distracted him. Now that his son's health seems to be improved, his play may improve as well.
I hate how that sounds and hope it isnt misinterpreted.
And I can see us dishing out another OV type deal to another Edge. Barrett, Yannick, Clowney... somebody
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.
Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
We cannot go into the draft with a need at both tackle spots - that is what forces a reach.
$15M for Conklin seems right. If the Titans had picked up his 5th year they wouldve paid him $12.9M. As most speculate, it seems that they didnt pick it up bc of injury concerns but he started all 16 games this year.
What happens if we don't sign Conklin, for whatever reason? There isn't much left in the UFA OT market. Daryl Williams had a terrible year, although Carolina did move him around a lot, LT, LG, RG. At least he appeared healthy, played in all 16 games with 12 starts. He could be Plan B.
the fact is the defense needs immediate help.
maybe its best to spend FA dollars on mostly defense and go into the draft looking for offensive talent. I know this could cause a "reach" but i dont think it would. this draft is loaded with OL talent. you can still go BPA in first round but in second and third, i think id look OL.
Maybe OT and C.
The OL was horrible this year, but it was good enough to help us score some points and with DJ in second year and guys coming back healthy, the offense will be able to score enough to win games. we cant stop anyone.
I am ALL for signing
littleton
judon
and bringing back golden and williams
in first round go okudah and call it a defense.
He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.
The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one I’d feel better about snagging Conklin.
He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.
The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one I’d feel better about snagging Conklin.
I fully expect Ngakoue to be tagged tho with Jax, who knows? As mentioned by a post yesterday, it would appear that tagging Conklin would be less likely given that they passed on picking up his 5th year option. Of course that was probably because of his knee stuff, so they could decide he is now healthy and rather productive again and tag him
He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.
The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one I’d feel better about snagging Conklin.
Okay, fine. But I doubt we'll be the only team bidding for his services, nor will we be the only team with the cap space to sign him, so what if we don't sign him? Do you have a plan B?
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He had a down year last year recovering from the knee injury. He’s been awesome this year fully recovered.
He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.
The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one I’d feel better about snagging Conklin.
Okay, fine. But I doubt we'll be the only team bidding for his services, nor will we be the only team with the cap space to sign him, so what if we don't sign him? Do you have a plan B?
I wouldn’t spend money for the sake of spending money.
Plan B for the OL is the draft. I think there’s plenty of good RT prospects in the draft up top and plenty of good LT and C prospects late 1st early 2nd. Trade down and attack OL.
Early indicators are that’s it’s deep at top end OT talent and deeper at OC. If overpaying at Edge in FA allows us to go BPA or trade down at 4 and grab best available OL at 36, it’s probably the play.
Early indicators are that’s it’s deep at top end OT talent and deeper at OC. If overpaying at Edge in FA allows us to go BPA or trade down at 4 and grab best available OL at 36, it’s probably the play.
I don’t see how Yannick impacts the decision at 4. If Young is there at 4 somehow he will be the pick Yannick or no Yannick.
I think addressing the OL in FA impacts 4 more than addressing ER in FA.
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.
Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasn’t picked up.
Probably more likely solder gets bumped to the right side and draft a left tackle
Jesus. Is that really the reason people are saying "he wants to come here"? Because he posted a picture of LT? Is there any other evidence?
I have to say-- NY sports fans are so quick to take any slight tidbit whatsoever and quickly assume that every athlete wants to come to their team for the "rich tradition" of the franchise and the big market of NYC.
It reminds me of the way Knicks fans think players of this generation still give a shit about the history and mystique of "the Garden." Newsflash: they don't. And this is coming from a Knicks fan.