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CromartiesKid21 : 1/17/2020 7:59 am
Thinning the pass rusher market some more for Yannick to cash in. After the extensions and Franchise tags there won't be too many good players in FA this year
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They can have him.  
Klaatu : 1/17/2020 8:05 am : link
I'm always leery of guys that turn it on in their contract years.
Weak FA year  
TommyWiseau : 1/17/2020 8:09 am : link
Hopefully we can grab a good player or two. Need to hit a home run in the draft
And this is why everyone that say a lot of cap room  
micky : 1/17/2020 8:19 am : link
And players in FA early on, don't calculate it as winding up being true.

Giants will be limited in both
RE: They can have him.  
Saquads26 : 1/17/2020 8:27 am : link
In comment 14783031 Klaatu said:
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I'm always leery of guys that turn it on in their contract years.


Yep like Clowney. Yannick is way to go and hinted he wants to come here. But going to take big money. Let Williams and Golden go if needed.
Good  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2020 8:34 am : link
I didnít want to overpay for a FA that hasnít done much prior to his contract year. The Giants should focus on Ngakoue and Conklin.
Bud Dupree is a cool name  
SomeFan : 1/17/2020 8:35 am : link
That is a dudeís name. Actually, only thing better would be if he were called Dude Dupree.
Is there any real indication Ngakoue wants to come to the Giants?  
Oscar : 1/17/2020 9:22 am : link
I know he posted a picture of Lawrence Taylor but I would think a lot of pass rushers look up to LT. If a basketball player posted a picture of Michael Jordan on their Instagram I wouldnít interpret that as a hint they want to play for the Bulls. Think people are reading too much into it.
Only interested in Ngakoue or Judon  
JonC : 1/17/2020 9:23 am : link
otherwise look elsewhere.
RE: Only interested in Ngakoue or Judon  
Rjanyg : 1/17/2020 9:27 am : link
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otherwise look elsewhere.


Same. Gettlemen has been vocal about the need to add a pass rusher too so we can assume that is the number 1 target.
Would love Ngakoue, most would, imo.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2020 9:27 am : link
That said, Iím all in on Conklin. Heíll not come cheaply, but should be a lot cheaper than Ngakoue and it is an area of need
RE: Would love Ngakoue, most would, imo.  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2020 9:33 am : link
In comment 14783139 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said, Iím all in on Conklin. Heíll not come cheaply, but should be a lot cheaper than Ngakoue and it is an area of need

With how little the Giants are paying Jones and Barkley they can easily afford both Ngakoue and Conklin.
You're looking at $15M per or more for Conklin  
JonC : 1/17/2020 9:38 am : link
and possibly $20M per for the Edge.
RE: RE: Would love Ngakoue, most would, imo.  
Oscar : 1/17/2020 9:41 am : link
In comment 14783142 Jay on the Island said:
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That said, Iím all in on Conklin. Heíll not come cheaply, but should be a lot cheaper than Ngakoue and it is an area of need


With how little the Giants are paying Jones and Barkley they can easily afford both Ngakoue and Conklin.


Saquon is not making *that* little. Heís the 8th highest paid running back in football. Combination of being the second overall pick and running backs in general not being paid much. Thatís part of the positional value conversation with running backs compared to other positions. If you draft a running back really high you never get a discount on the player really.

Saquon is set to make $8.5mm next season, for comparison Nick Chubb who was drafted one round later in the same draft will make about $2mm. I donít think the Giants are getting four times the value out of Saquon. In fact last year Chubb was the better player - obviously Barkley had an injury but I donít think the gap is really that big.
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RE: You're looking at $15M per or more for Conklin  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2020 9:41 am : link
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.


Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasnít picked up.
For comparison  
Oscar : 1/17/2020 9:43 am : link
Jones is set to be the 25th highest paid QB next season and is way, way cheaper than the top end guys. So your point is still on the mark, the Giants have flexibility mostly because of Jones. I just wouldnít toss Saquon into the mix there.
RE: RE: You're looking at $15M per or more for Conklin  
JonC : 1/17/2020 9:46 am : link
In comment 14783155 Big Blue '56 said:
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.



Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasnít picked up.


Crucial info. If it has to do with this knee(s) it's a red flag that must be solved. If it's attitude related, same thing, can't afford to make another painfully expensive mistake on the OL. If the Titans feel he's already in decline, we need to be able to see it and walk away too.
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Klaatu : 1/17/2020 9:48 am : link
In comment 14783155 Big Blue '56 said:
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.



Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasnít picked up.


Most likely his knee injuries in 2018 (I think both on the same knee) plus a concussion. Figure the Titans wanted to see how he'd do in 2019.
RE: RE: RE: You're looking at $15M per or more for Conklin  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2020 9:50 am : link
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.



Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasnít picked up.



Crucial info. If it has to do with this knee(s) it's a red flag that must be solved. If it's attitude related, same thing, can't afford to make another painfully expensive mistake on the OL. If the Titans feel he's already in decline, we need to be able to see it and walk away too.


100% agree with this take
RE: RE: You're looking at $15M per or more for Conklin  
Capt. Don : 1/17/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 14783155 Big Blue '56 said:
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.



Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasnít picked up.


We cannot go into the draft with a need at both tackle spots - that is what forces a reach.

$15M for Conklin seems right. If the Titans had picked up his 5th year they wouldve paid him $12.9M. As most speculate, it seems that they didnt pick it up bc of injury concerns but he started all 16 games this year.

I think Solder gets another year  
JonC : 1/17/2020 10:04 am : link
so they don't create a second OT hole.
RE: I think Solder gets another year  
Capt. Don : 1/17/2020 10:09 am : link
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so they don't create a second OT hole.


I do too.

For lack of a better term, my "hope" is that his play suffered bc of much more important issues with his son has distracted him. Now that his son's health seems to be improved, his play may improve as well.

I hate how that sounds and hope it isnt misinterpreted.
Just donít pay him like Nate Solder  
90.Cal : 1/17/2020 10:13 am : link
If he is going to play like Nate Solder.

And I can see us dishing out another OV type deal to another Edge. Barrett, Yannick, Clowney... somebody
RE: RE: RE: You're looking at $15M per or more for Conklin  
Klaatu : 1/17/2020 10:30 am : link
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.



Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasnít picked up.



We cannot go into the draft with a need at both tackle spots - that is what forces a reach.

$15M for Conklin seems right. If the Titans had picked up his 5th year they wouldve paid him $12.9M. As most speculate, it seems that they didnt pick it up bc of injury concerns but he started all 16 games this year.


What happens if we don't sign Conklin, for whatever reason? There isn't much left in the UFA OT market. Daryl Williams had a terrible year, although Carolina did move him around a lot, LT, LG, RG. At least he appeared healthy, played in all 16 games with 12 starts. He could be Plan B.
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BleedBlue : 1/17/2020 10:37 am : link
this is an OL rich draft.

the fact is the defense needs immediate help.
maybe its best to spend FA dollars on mostly defense and go into the draft looking for offensive talent. I know this could cause a "reach" but i dont think it would. this draft is loaded with OL talent. you can still go BPA in first round but in second and third, i think id look OL.

Maybe OT and C.

The OL was horrible this year, but it was good enough to help us score some points and with DJ in second year and guys coming back healthy, the offense will be able to score enough to win games. we cant stop anyone.

I am ALL for signing

littleton
judon

and bringing back golden and williams

in first round go okudah and call it a defense.
As much as we need an ER and a RT...  
Klaatu : 1/17/2020 10:42 am : link
I'd rather not go into the draft needing an OC, too. I'd make every effort to sign Ted Karras.
Again on Conklin  
WillVAB : 1/17/2020 11:26 am : link
He had a down year last year recovering from the knee injury. Heís been awesome this year fully recovered.

He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.

The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one Iíd feel better about snagging Conklin.
RE: Again on Conklin  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2020 11:36 am : link
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He had a down year last year recovering from the knee injury. Heís been awesome this year fully recovered.

He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.

The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one Iíd feel better about snagging Conklin.


I fully expect Ngakoue to be tagged tho with Jax, who knows? As mentioned by a post yesterday, it would appear that tagging Conklin would be less likely given that they passed on picking up his 5th year option. Of course that was probably because of his knee stuff, so they could decide he is now healthy and rather productive again and tag him
RE: Again on Conklin  
Klaatu : 1/17/2020 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14783349 WillVAB said:
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He had a down year last year recovering from the knee injury. Heís been awesome this year fully recovered.

He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.

The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one Iíd feel better about snagging Conklin.


Okay, fine. But I doubt we'll be the only team bidding for his services, nor will we be the only team with the cap space to sign him, so what if we don't sign him? Do you have a plan B?
RE: RE: Again on Conklin  
WillVAB : 1/17/2020 9:26 pm : link
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He had a down year last year recovering from the knee injury. Heís been awesome this year fully recovered.

He would be a player to get excited about if he hits FA and the Giants are fortunate enough to sign him.

The FA ER market is much more costly and riskier than Conklin. The Giants need both, but if they can only get one Iíd feel better about snagging Conklin.



Okay, fine. But I doubt we'll be the only team bidding for his services, nor will we be the only team with the cap space to sign him, so what if we don't sign him? Do you have a plan B?


I wouldnít spend money for the sake of spending money.

Plan B for the OL is the draft. I think thereís plenty of good RT prospects in the draft up top and plenty of good LT and C prospects late 1st early 2nd. Trade down and attack OL.
Yannick is getting Mack money  
AcesUp : 1/17/2020 9:32 pm : link
On the open market. Thereís an argument that we should pay it but thatís what it will take.

Early indicators are thatís itís deep at top end OT talent and deeper at OC. If overpaying at Edge in FA allows us to go BPA or trade down at 4 and grab best available OL at 36, itís probably the play.
RE: Yannick is getting Mack money  
WillVAB : 1/17/2020 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14784201 AcesUp said:
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On the open market. Thereís an argument that we should pay it but thatís what it will take.

Early indicators are thatís itís deep at top end OT talent and deeper at OC. If overpaying at Edge in FA allows us to go BPA or trade down at 4 and grab best available OL at 36, itís probably the play.


I donít see how Yannick impacts the decision at 4. If Young is there at 4 somehow he will be the pick Yannick or no Yannick.

I think addressing the OL in FA impacts 4 more than addressing ER in FA.
RE: RE: You're looking at $15M per or more for Conklin  
eli4life : 1/18/2020 2:33 am : link
In comment 14783155 Big Blue '56 said:
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and possibly $20M per for the Edge.



Sounds about right. We certainly need an ER big time. Just trying to understand why the 5th year option on Conklin wasnít picked up.


Probably more likely solder gets bumped to the right side and draft a left tackle
RE: Is there any real indication Ngakoue wants to come to the Giants?  
Leg of Theismann : 1/18/2020 4:16 am : link
In comment 14783130 Oscar said:
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I know he posted a picture of Lawrence Taylor but I would think a lot of pass rushers look up to LT. If a basketball player posted a picture of Michael Jordan on their Instagram I wouldnít interpret that as a hint they want to play for the Bulls. Think people are reading too much into it.


Jesus. Is that really the reason people are saying "he wants to come here"? Because he posted a picture of LT? Is there any other evidence?

I have to say-- NY sports fans are so quick to take any slight tidbit whatsoever and quickly assume that every athlete wants to come to their team for the "rich tradition" of the franchise and the big market of NYC.

It reminds me of the way Knicks fans think players of this generation still give a shit about the history and mystique of "the Garden." Newsflash: they don't. And this is coming from a Knicks fan.
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