the only coach that has officially been hired is Joe Judge.
The Giants have not announced ANY other coach being hired. A few reports from media have said we have hired four coaches, but the Giants have not announced those.
The team has done a great job of plugging leaks.
My guess is most of the staff has already been hired.
Some believe it takes time to work out JGs contract.
I wasnt sure Judge was sold on either Shula or Garrett and was wondering if we would be hearing more interviews coming in. No one said what Linehan is being interviewed for so I wonder if it is for OC....heaven help us if it is.
Lastly, some wonder if he is waiting to interview someone from these final 4 teams. I am skeptical on this unless Judge has Andy Reids word the Chiefs will permit Bieniemy to leave even though It is a lateral move.
RE: If Im JG Im deciding if I want to be a HC again
Some believe it takes time to work out JGs contract.
I wasnt sure Judge was sold on either Shula or Garrett and was wondering if we would be hearing more interviews coming in. No one said what Linehan is being interviewed for so I wonder if it is for OC....heaven help us if it is.
Lastly, some wonder if he is waiting to interview someone from these final 4 teams. I am skeptical on this unless Judge has Andy Reids word the Chiefs will permit Bieniemy to leave even though It is a lateral move.
You worry too much. The signs are all pretty clear.
Some believe it takes time to work out JGs contract.
I wasnt sure Judge was sold on either Shula or Garrett and was wondering if we would be hearing more interviews coming in. No one said what Linehan is being interviewed for so I wonder if it is for OC....heaven help us if it is.
Lastly, some wonder if he is waiting to interview someone from these final 4 teams. I am skeptical on this unless Judge has Andy Reids word the Chiefs will permit Bieniemy to leave even though It is a lateral move.
And maybe the JG contract has hit a snag and the Linehan interview is nothing but fog to speed up the process with JG.
RE: If Im JG Im deciding if I want to be a HC again
I cant imagine any team panting after JG to be their HC...possibly some small college team.
Think about it....the man was HC for 10 years and what has he accomplished as HC? Two lousy first round playoff wins. And look at the teams he has coached! Very talented players. No, JG will go down as an UNDERACHIEVING HC, plain and simple. Any team that wants him with that resume is pretty lame. Dont get me wrong, Im sure he is a better OC and That he is a great guy to be around.....but the resume speaks for itself.
RE: If Im JG Im deciding if I want to be a HC again
He's not under contract so he doesn't get paid unless he works. An NFL OC position would be a pay cut for him but going from 100% to 50-60% of income (and still making a very high salary) is something that a lot of people aren't going to turn down.
RE: If Im JG Im deciding if I want to be a HC again
I agree. I think there's enough evidence to indicate Garrett is a really good coordinator, but not a great HC. Nothing wrong with that (just glad he wasn't our HC for 10 years).
Several really good coordinators weren't great HCs.
I think he is trying to put together the staffs that his coordinators want to work with so he does not have, for example, an OL coach working on skills that are useful in a zone blocking scheme and an OC that wants to run a power offense.
Some believe it takes time to work out JGs contract.
I wasnt sure Judge was sold on either Shula or Garrett and was wondering if we would be hearing more interviews coming in. No one said what Linehan is being interviewed for so I wonder if it is for OC....heaven help us if it is.
Lastly, some wonder if he is waiting to interview someone from these final 4 teams. I am skeptical on this unless Judge has Andy Reids word the Chiefs will permit Bieniemy to leave even though It is a lateral move.
Talk a walk. Maybe a Xanax too
Possibility that Garrett is hand picking most of his staff before the
annoncement is made so they can get it over with and start thinking about the draft , the bowl games and other matters. This town will nag you to death unless those things are divulged sooner rather than later.
- does Garrett, a HC for the last 9 years, want to wet nurse a rookie HC?
- the finances? Does JG want to work for what he is being offered?
- does Judge want an experienced HC hanging around and serving as another power center and HC in waiting if he fails, especially if as OC, Garrett gets input in hiring the AC's on the offensive side of the ball?
- was Garrett a Judge idea or a FO idea? If a FO idea, that would just reinforce the point above.
- has Garrett given up any aspirations of being a HC? If not, why bother having him for one year, two at the most before he gets a HC gig?
- does Garrett want to tie his reputation to a rookie HC on a rebuilding team? If Jones has a sophomore slump or the offense has a bad year, does he want the blame to hurt his chances of getting a HC gig?
I think there are enough questions and negatives that this is not going to happen which is reason enough to keep interviewing.
RE: If Im JG Im deciding if I want to be a HC again
Heard more than 1x in recent days the suggestion that if he spent a year off studying the league and presenting his findings in 2020-2021 offseason interviews, it would improve his chances down the line of becoming a head coach again as opposed to taking a job now.
the only coach that has officially been hired is Joe Judge.
The Giants have not announced ANY other coach being hired. A few reports from media have said we have hired four coaches, but the Giants have not announced those.
The team has done a great job of plugging leaks.
My guess is most of the staff has already been hired.
Whats the benefit of not announcing the hires?
RE: RE: If Im JG Im deciding if I want to be a HC again
Heard more than 1x in recent days the suggestion that if he spent a year off studying the league and presenting his findings in 2020-2021 offseason interviews, it would improve his chances down the line of becoming a head coach again as opposed to taking a job now.
Maybe he could build a barn where he could binge eat and watch cartoons all day. Seemed to work for this guy:
The ties to Judge are a little more attenuated than with Garrett. While Garrett and Judge both worked under Nick Saban at different points, LaFleur worked on Dan Quinn's staff and Dan Quinn once coached for Nick Saban. Not to mention, LaFleur's ties are more with Kyle Shanahan than with Dan Quinn. They worked together in Cleveland and Shanahan brought him to Atlanta when he worked for Quinn.
the rumored coaches are probably reluctant to work with Mara and Gettleman, so they need to come in and have face-to-face interviews with ownership and the front office to confirm their suspicions.
Jints Central will be breaking new ground this year. Judge will serve all coaching roles because he can't find any other professionals to work with anyone else!!
the rumored coaches are probably reluctant to work with Mara and Gettleman, so they need to come in and have face-to-face interviews with ownership and the front office to confirm their suspicions.
Jints Central will be breaking new ground this year. Judge will serve all coaching roles because he can't find any other professionals to work with anyone else!!
They need to run a background check on all of the candidates. Right now they're all at Prints Central.
the only coach that has officially been hired is Joe Judge.
The Giants have not announced ANY other coach being hired. A few reports from media have said we have hired four coaches, but the Giants have not announced those.
The team has done a great job of plugging leaks.
My guess is most of the staff has already been hired.
Lol what? How have they done job plugging leaks if all the coaching information we have has come from reporters and not the team?
Jints Central will be breaking new ground this year. Judge will serve all coaching roles because he can't find any other professionals to work with anyone else!!
Or the new spin that Jason Garrett is too good to be the Giants OC since he will just leave next year anyway.
Gotta love how bw's mind works, if the Giants don't get Garrett he would find a way to blame DG or say this is the type of hire that was forced on Judge. Now that appears likely we might get Garrett, he has created a new narrative to use all year that the hiring of Garrett will be a mistake because he will be gone next year and DJ will have to learn a whole new offense.
RE: RE: If Im JG Im deciding if I want to be a HC again
Heard more than 1x in recent days the suggestion that if he spent a year off studying the league and presenting his findings in 2020-2021 offseason interviews, it would improve his chances down the line of becoming a head coach again as opposed to taking a job now.
Not only that, there is little upside and lots of downside to taking an OC job for the purpose of improving his HC chances. Teams arent hiring JG because he is an offense whiz kid, they are hiring him for his exec presence. Even if the Giants start scoring like the chiefs, it will only improve his standing slightly. Then there is the chance we are in the playoffs and he misses the hiring window.
Worst case scenario the O regresses and he get the blame and is no longer a candidate.
Difference between Garrett sitting out and any other fired HCs is that
Sitting out the year wont raise his stock or improve his chances. He is who he is personality-wise. Hes not changing per se. What youve seen is what youll get. If thats desirable, he will receive a HC offer(s).
RE: Difference between Garrett sitting out and any other fired HCs is that
Garrett isnt getting paid to sit. He may feel more obliged to work.
If he sits, he may jump at the first position that opens up early in the season.
Good point. Lots of guys who sit are getting paid.
Also, the young QB coach (or someone else we hire) will likely be told that they will be an OC in training knowing that Garrett will likely leave in a year or two.
Really makes sense for Garrett. The Giants have some talent on offense. A good chance to look good and make a splash.
If we are in speculation land its also possible that his wife ( graduate of Harvard Law School) doesn't want to move around from city to city every year or two years. Many people who have choices don't. We don't know
She could be interviewing here in NYC and or trying to see if there is a house they can settle in. We don't know.
Its also possible that there are trailing attorney to attorney issues with some non compete and confidentiality clauses on his contract from Dallas. We don't know. We don't really think Jerry Jones would give up a chance to be the center of attention if meddling was possible/
Could be he and the Giants have some clauses they need the NFL office to review and approve. We don't know
Could be in the total team no one bigger than the next culture JJ wants that they want to announce all of them at once. We don't know
What's different from the Reese/Ross years is that the leaks from the Giants during FA and pre draft seem to have gone down and if that gains us advantage here and there...good.
RE: Doesnt matter whether he does well as an OC or lousy
Sitting out the year wont raise his stock or improve his chances. He is who he is personality-wise. Hes not changing per se. What youve seen is what youll get. If thats desirable, he will receive a HC offer(s).
This is kinda my point. Siting out keeps him where he is. Taking a job as an OC is more likely to decrease his value than increase it IMV.
But this is all speculation, who know what he or the giants are thinking at this point. Just killing some time playing the if I were in his shoes game.
Some believe it takes time to work out JGs contract.
I wasnt sure Judge was sold on either Shula or Garrett and was wondering if we would be hearing more interviews coming in. No one said what Linehan is being interviewed for so I wonder if it is for OC....heaven help us if it is.
Lastly, some wonder if he is waiting to interview someone from these final 4 teams. I am skeptical on this unless Judge has Andy Reids word the Chiefs will permit Bieniemy to leave even though It is a lateral move.
You worry too much. The signs are all pretty clear.
I agree, this OC selection has me in a tizzy....but what happened to BIG FRIDAY? The Giants could have helped us all sleep easier this weekend by announcing the coaches today......but it appears they are not interested in easing our pain or calming our fears.
Sitting out the year wont raise his stock or improve his chances. He is who he is personality-wise. Hes not changing per se. What youve seen is what youll get. If thats desirable, he will receive a HC offer(s).
This is kinda my point. Siting out keeps him where he is. Taking a job as an OC is more likely to decrease his value than increase it IMV.
But this is all speculation, who know what he or the giants are thinking at this point. Just killing some time playing the if I were in his shoes game.
Understood
RE: In your fervent desires, no one is recognizing
- does Garrett, a HC for the last 9 years, want to wet nurse a rookie HC?
- the finances? Does JG want to work for what he is being offered?
- does Judge want an experienced HC hanging around and serving as another power center and HC in waiting if he fails, especially if as OC, Garrett gets input in hiring the AC's on the offensive side of the ball?
- was Garrett a Judge idea or a FO idea? If a FO idea, that would just reinforce the point above.
- has Garrett given up any aspirations of being a HC? If not, why bother having him for one year, two at the most before he gets a HC gig?
- does Garrett want to tie his reputation to a rookie HC on a rebuilding team? If Jones has a sophomore slump or the offense has a bad year, does he want the blame to hurt his chances of getting a HC gig?
I think there are enough questions and negatives that this is not going to happen which is reason enough to keep interviewing.
Agree. I dont remember anyone praising Garretts expertise as a OC.
RE: RE: If Im JG Im deciding if I want to be a HC again
I cant imagine any team panting after JG to be their HC...possibly some small college team.
Think about it....the man was HC for 10 years and what has he accomplished as HC? Two lousy first round playoff wins. And look at the teams he has coached! Very talented players. No, JG will go down as an UNDERACHIEVING HC, plain and simple. Any team that wants him with that resume is pretty lame. Dont get me wrong, Im sure he is a better OC and That he is a great guy to be around.....but the resume speaks for itself.
He'll get interviews, & if they like him enough they'll convince themselves Jones held him back by taking away his authority.
RE: RE: If Im JG Im deciding if I want to be a HC again
I cant imagine any team panting after JG to be their HC...possibly some small college team.
Think about it....the man was HC for 10 years and what has he accomplished as HC? Two lousy first round playoff wins. And look at the teams he has coached! Very talented players. No, JG will go down as an UNDERACHIEVING HC, plain and simple. Any team that wants him with that resume is pretty lame. Dont get me wrong, Im sure he is a better OC and That he is a great guy to be around.....but the resume speaks for itself.
I'm of the opinion that those rosters were good but often overrated. The popular opinion of any given player tends to balloon as as soon as they put a star on their helmet.
The Giants have not announced ANY other coach being hired. A few reports from media have said we have hired four coaches, but the Giants have not announced those.
The team has done a great job of plugging leaks.
My guess is most of the staff has already been hired.
I wasnt sure Judge was sold on either Shula or Garrett and was wondering if we would be hearing more interviews coming in. No one said what Linehan is being interviewed for so I wonder if it is for OC....heaven help us if it is.
Lastly, some wonder if he is waiting to interview someone from these final 4 teams. I am skeptical on this unless Judge has Andy Reids word the Chiefs will permit Bieniemy to leave even though It is a lateral move.
He's going to be at the top of most lists next year.
Now, he may not ultimately get hired, but he's going to flying around the country taking interviews..
I wasnt sure Judge was sold on either Shula or Garrett and was wondering if we would be hearing more interviews coming in. No one said what Linehan is being interviewed for so I wonder if it is for OC....heaven help us if it is.
Lastly, some wonder if he is waiting to interview someone from these final 4 teams. I am skeptical on this unless Judge has Andy Reids word the Chiefs will permit Bieniemy to leave even though It is a lateral move.
You worry too much. The signs are all pretty clear.
I wasnt sure Judge was sold on either Shula or Garrett and was wondering if we would be hearing more interviews coming in. No one said what Linehan is being interviewed for so I wonder if it is for OC....heaven help us if it is.
Lastly, some wonder if he is waiting to interview someone from these final 4 teams. I am skeptical on this unless Judge has Andy Reids word the Chiefs will permit Bieniemy to leave even though It is a lateral move.
And maybe the JG contract has hit a snag and the Linehan interview is nothing but fog to speed up the process with JG.
I cant imagine any team panting after JG to be their HC...possibly some small college team.
Think about it....the man was HC for 10 years and what has he accomplished as HC? Two lousy first round playoff wins. And look at the teams he has coached! Very talented players. No, JG will go down as an UNDERACHIEVING HC, plain and simple. Any team that wants him with that resume is pretty lame. Dont get me wrong, Im sure he is a better OC and That he is a great guy to be around.....but the resume speaks for itself.
He's not under contract so he doesn't get paid unless he works. An NFL OC position would be a pay cut for him but going from 100% to 50-60% of income (and still making a very high salary) is something that a lot of people aren't going to turn down.
LOL!
Several really good coordinators weren't great HCs.
Lol.
Jerry: we hired McCarthy. He's signed.
Jason: now hold on. Hold on, let's not be hasty here
I wasnt sure Judge was sold on either Shula or Garrett and was wondering if we would be hearing more interviews coming in. No one said what Linehan is being interviewed for so I wonder if it is for OC....heaven help us if it is.
Lastly, some wonder if he is waiting to interview someone from these final 4 teams. I am skeptical on this unless Judge has Andy Reids word the Chiefs will permit Bieniemy to leave even though It is a lateral move.
Talk a walk. Maybe a Xanax too
mike lafleur
- does Garrett, a HC for the last 9 years, want to wet nurse a rookie HC?
- the finances? Does JG want to work for what he is being offered?
- does Judge want an experienced HC hanging around and serving as another power center and HC in waiting if he fails, especially if as OC, Garrett gets input in hiring the AC's on the offensive side of the ball?
- was Garrett a Judge idea or a FO idea? If a FO idea, that would just reinforce the point above.
- has Garrett given up any aspirations of being a HC? If not, why bother having him for one year, two at the most before he gets a HC gig?
- does Garrett want to tie his reputation to a rookie HC on a rebuilding team? If Jones has a sophomore slump or the offense has a bad year, does he want the blame to hurt his chances of getting a HC gig?
I think there are enough questions and negatives that this is not going to happen which is reason enough to keep interviewing.
Heard more than 1x in recent days the suggestion that if he spent a year off studying the league and presenting his findings in 2020-2021 offseason interviews, it would improve his chances down the line of becoming a head coach again as opposed to taking a job now.
The Giants have not announced ANY other coach being hired. A few reports from media have said we have hired four coaches, but the Giants have not announced those.
The team has done a great job of plugging leaks.
My guess is most of the staff has already been hired.
Whats the benefit of not announcing the hires?
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If I do, I sit this year out.
Heard more than 1x in recent days the suggestion that if he spent a year off studying the league and presenting his findings in 2020-2021 offseason interviews, it would improve his chances down the line of becoming a head coach again as opposed to taking a job now.
Maybe he could build a barn where he could binge eat and watch cartoons all day. Seemed to work for this guy:
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They're waiting on somebody on Tennessee or 49ers
mike lafleur
The ties to Judge are a little more attenuated than with Garrett. While Garrett and Judge both worked under Nick Saban at different points, LaFleur worked on Dan Quinn's staff and Dan Quinn once coached for Nick Saban. Not to mention, LaFleur's ties are more with Kyle Shanahan than with Dan Quinn. They worked together in Cleveland and Shanahan brought him to Atlanta when he worked for Quinn.
Gotcha 👍🏾
Jints Central will be breaking new ground this year. Judge will serve all coaching roles because he can't find any other professionals to work with anyone else!!
Jints Central will be breaking new ground this year. Judge will serve all coaching roles because he can't find any other professionals to work with anyone else!!
They need to run a background check on all of the candidates. Right now they're all at Prints Central.
Plenty of unemployed former HCs have gone back to coordinating.
I guess it's also possible JG was on the fence about taking a year off vs. being Giants OC and only time will tell..
the suspense is killing me!
The Giants have not announced ANY other coach being hired. A few reports from media have said we have hired four coaches, but the Giants have not announced those.
The team has done a great job of plugging leaks.
My guess is most of the staff has already been hired.
Lol what? How have they done job plugging leaks if all the coaching information we have has come from reporters and not the team?
No.
Jints Central will be breaking new ground this year. Judge will serve all coaching roles because he can't find any other professionals to work with anyone else!!
Or the new spin that Jason Garrett is too good to be the Giants OC since he will just leave next year anyway.
Gotta love how bw's mind works, if the Giants don't get Garrett he would find a way to blame DG or say this is the type of hire that was forced on Judge. Now that appears likely we might get Garrett, he has created a new narrative to use all year that the hiring of Garrett will be a mistake because he will be gone next year and DJ will have to learn a whole new offense.
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If I do, I sit this year out.
Heard more than 1x in recent days the suggestion that if he spent a year off studying the league and presenting his findings in 2020-2021 offseason interviews, it would improve his chances down the line of becoming a head coach again as opposed to taking a job now.
Not only that, there is little upside and lots of downside to taking an OC job for the purpose of improving his HC chances. Teams arent hiring JG because he is an offense whiz kid, they are hiring him for his exec presence. Even if the Giants start scoring like the chiefs, it will only improve his standing slightly. Then there is the chance we are in the playoffs and he misses the hiring window.
Worst case scenario the O regresses and he get the blame and is no longer a candidate.
If he sits, he may jump at the first position that opens up early in the season.
Sitting out the year wont raise his stock or improve his chances. He is who he is personality-wise. Hes not changing per se. What youve seen is what youll get. If thats desirable, he will receive a HC offer(s).
If he sits, he may jump at the first position that opens up early in the season.
Good point. Lots of guys who sit are getting paid.
Also, the young QB coach (or someone else we hire) will likely be told that they will be an OC in training knowing that Garrett will likely leave in a year or two.
Really makes sense for Garrett. The Giants have some talent on offense. A good chance to look good and make a splash.
She could be interviewing here in NYC and or trying to see if there is a house they can settle in. We don't know.
Its also possible that there are trailing attorney to attorney issues with some non compete and confidentiality clauses on his contract from Dallas. We don't know. We don't really think Jerry Jones would give up a chance to be the center of attention if meddling was possible/
Could be he and the Giants have some clauses they need the NFL office to review and approve. We don't know
Could be in the total team no one bigger than the next culture JJ wants that they want to announce all of them at once. We don't know
What's different from the Reese/Ross years is that the leaks from the Giants during FA and pre draft seem to have gone down and if that gains us advantage here and there...good.
Sitting out the year wont raise his stock or improve his chances. He is who he is personality-wise. Hes not changing per se. What youve seen is what youll get. If thats desirable, he will receive a HC offer(s).
This is kinda my point. Siting out keeps him where he is. Taking a job as an OC is more likely to decrease his value than increase it IMV.
But this is all speculation, who know what he or the giants are thinking at this point. Just killing some time playing the if I were in his shoes game.
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Some believe it takes time to work out JGs contract.
I wasnt sure Judge was sold on either Shula or Garrett and was wondering if we would be hearing more interviews coming in. No one said what Linehan is being interviewed for so I wonder if it is for OC....heaven help us if it is.
Lastly, some wonder if he is waiting to interview someone from these final 4 teams. I am skeptical on this unless Judge has Andy Reids word the Chiefs will permit Bieniemy to leave even though It is a lateral move.
You worry too much. The signs are all pretty clear.
I agree, this OC selection has me in a tizzy....but what happened to BIG FRIDAY? The Giants could have helped us all sleep easier this weekend by announcing the coaches today......but it appears they are not interested in easing our pain or calming our fears.
...?
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an an OC. Hes been both, at times, imv.
Sitting out the year wont raise his stock or improve his chances. He is who he is personality-wise. Hes not changing per se. What youve seen is what youll get. If thats desirable, he will receive a HC offer(s).
This is kinda my point. Siting out keeps him where he is. Taking a job as an OC is more likely to decrease his value than increase it IMV.
But this is all speculation, who know what he or the giants are thinking at this point. Just killing some time playing the if I were in his shoes game.
Understood
- does Garrett, a HC for the last 9 years, want to wet nurse a rookie HC?
- the finances? Does JG want to work for what he is being offered?
- does Judge want an experienced HC hanging around and serving as another power center and HC in waiting if he fails, especially if as OC, Garrett gets input in hiring the AC's on the offensive side of the ball?
- was Garrett a Judge idea or a FO idea? If a FO idea, that would just reinforce the point above.
- has Garrett given up any aspirations of being a HC? If not, why bother having him for one year, two at the most before he gets a HC gig?
- does Garrett want to tie his reputation to a rookie HC on a rebuilding team? If Jones has a sophomore slump or the offense has a bad year, does he want the blame to hurt his chances of getting a HC gig?
I think there are enough questions and negatives that this is not going to happen which is reason enough to keep interviewing.
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If I do, I sit this year out.
I cant imagine any team panting after JG to be their HC...possibly some small college team.
Think about it....the man was HC for 10 years and what has he accomplished as HC? Two lousy first round playoff wins. And look at the teams he has coached! Very talented players. No, JG will go down as an UNDERACHIEVING HC, plain and simple. Any team that wants him with that resume is pretty lame. Dont get me wrong, Im sure he is a better OC and That he is a great guy to be around.....but the resume speaks for itself.
He'll get interviews, & if they like him enough they'll convince themselves Jones held him back by taking away his authority.
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If I do, I sit this year out.
I cant imagine any team panting after JG to be their HC...possibly some small college team.
Think about it....the man was HC for 10 years and what has he accomplished as HC? Two lousy first round playoff wins. And look at the teams he has coached! Very talented players. No, JG will go down as an UNDERACHIEVING HC, plain and simple. Any team that wants him with that resume is pretty lame. Dont get me wrong, Im sure he is a better OC and That he is a great guy to be around.....but the resume speaks for itself.
I'm of the opinion that those rosters were good but often overrated. The popular opinion of any given player tends to balloon as as soon as they put a star on their helmet.