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Wills/Thomas/Wirfs

bigblue12 : 1/17/2020 1:14 pm
If the Giants decide to go tackle with their first pick, it is clear they will have their pick of the best. Coming into the draft, it was Thomas seen as the best guy, but now a lot of prognosticators are projecting Wills as the best guy. I am certainly no scout, but after watching some games and clips of these guys, I don't really see it with Wills. Huge man, but I didn't see great feet. On the other hand, Thomas has unbelievable feet for a man his size. Truly an amazing athlete. Wirfs seems to me to be kind of a combination of the two. I see a lot of Kareem McKenzie in him. With that said, I don't think the value will be there at 4 for any O-lineman. I would love to see them get Austin Jackson in round 2, but I am not sure if he will last that long.
I donít think any are worth the #4 overall  
The_Boss : 1/17/2020 1:18 pm : link
If we could find a QB hungry team and trade down, Iím OK with Wirfs. Thomas reminds me too much of Erick Flowers.
I prefer Wirfs, whom I believe could play LT down the line.  
yatqb : 1/17/2020 1:20 pm : link
I agree with your take on Wills. I just don't see him as a star; solid, but not a star. And Thomas isn't a good run blocker, and his pass blocking technique is inconsistent.

It's time to invest heavily in the OL, and if we don't sign Conklin I'd be excited about Wirfs at 4 (or even better in a small trade down).
wow  
BleedBlue : 1/17/2020 1:21 pm : link
you see quick feet with thomas? i see the opposite. to me he looks like he has slow feet and is wildly inconsistent in his pass set. i dont think he is worth #4 but look forweard to seeing him workout at combine to see if he has improved in those areas
RE: I donít think any are worth the #4 overall  
TommyWiseau : 1/17/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14783533 The_Boss said:
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If we could find a QB hungry team and trade down, Iím OK with Wirfs. Thomas reminds me too much of Erick Flowers.


A QB hungry team will want to move up. Lets hope DG is willing to move down a few spota
becton as me intrigued  
GiantNatty : 1/17/2020 1:36 pm : link
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While this thread is about OTs what about C?  
No Where Man : 1/17/2020 1:37 pm : link
Tyler B. - Wisconsin
Lloyd Cushenberry - LSU
Zack Shackleford - Texas
Matt Hennessy - Temple

Where do these guys get drafted?
RE: wow  
bigblue12 : 1/17/2020 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14783544 BleedBlue said:
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you see quick feet with thomas? i see the opposite. to me he looks like he has slow feet and is wildly inconsistent in his pass set. i dont think he is worth #4 but look forweard to seeing him workout at combine to see if he has improved in those areas



I can't speak on the technique and inconsistencies, but he looks to have amazing feet to me. Check out these clips of you haven't already
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RE: While this thread is about OTs what about C?  
HoustonGiant : 1/17/2020 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14783573 No Where Man said:
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Tyler B. - Wisconsin
Lloyd Cushenberry - LSU
Zack Shackleford - Texas
Matt Hennessy - Temple

Where do these guys get drafted?


I've watched Hennessy in 2 games he was pushed all over the field. I am not sure where his hype comes from.
RE: While this thread is about OTs what about C?  
Klaatu : 1/17/2020 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14783573 No Where Man said:
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Tyler B. - Wisconsin
Lloyd Cushenberry - LSU
Zack Shackleford - Texas
Matt Hennessy - Temple

Where do these guys get drafted?


With the 68th pick in the 2020 NFL Draft...
RE: I donít think any are worth the #4 overall  
jeff57 : 1/17/2020 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14783533 The_Boss said:
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If we could find a QB hungry team and trade down, Iím OK with Wirfs. Thomas reminds me too much of Erick Flowers.


Agree I don't think any are worth the 4
Cushenbury looked awful in the championship game.  
yatqb : 1/17/2020 4:14 pm : link
Shanski blitzed right by him constantly. Whether it was line calls or his own poor reads (he often poked to double the DT with his RG) both are his responsibility.
I was one of the first  
tyrik13 : 1/17/2020 4:22 pm : link
To sour on Thomas, yes he dominated inferior talent, but when it came time to stack up against real quality pass rushers, he shit the bed every time. I agree on his feet, heís sloth footed as hell and is wildly inconsistent. IMHO I think Wirfs will be the best of the 3, and a future star at LT if whoever drafts him wants him there, Wirfs is a day 1 plug and play at RT. Iíve gotta watch more tape on Willis, but Iíve heard heís solid and could rise fast during the pre draft process
Against top competition I've seen Thomas  
JonC : 1/17/2020 4:25 pm : link
fall apart in pass pro ... he can't move his feet and keep up laterally, he starts to turn his body to run, then he starts to bend at the waist and reach and grab, etc. Good run blocker.

Wirfs looks like a RT, plenty of power and snarl.
RE: Against top competition I've seen Thomas  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2020 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14783849 JonC said:
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fall apart in pass pro ... he can't move his feet and keep up laterally, he starts to turn his body to run, then he starts to bend at the waist and reach and grab, etc. Good run blocker.

Wirfs looks like a RT, plenty of power and snarl.


How MIGHT Wirfs translate to OLT down the road, if at all? Feet?
Jon, I think that Barkley would run wild with Wirfs and a  
yatqb : 1/17/2020 4:41 pm : link
TE who could block. (Actually, Smith did a job of it against Washington.)

And I definitely think he has the feet to move to LT in a year. I have fantastic drafting 2 OTs 1 and 2 because RT looks really strong early in this draft. Not the best use of resources for next season but could set us up well for the future.
Fantasies, dammit iPhone  
yatqb : 1/17/2020 4:47 pm : link
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RE: Against top competition I've seen Thomas  
Anakim : 1/17/2020 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14783849 JonC said:
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fall apart in pass pro ... he can't move his feet and keep up laterally, he starts to turn his body to run, then he starts to bend at the waist and reach and grab, etc. Good run blocker.


Not for nothing, but Thomas did REALLY well in nearly shutting down K'Lavon Chaisson, who will be a first rounder in April.
Iím not terribly impressed with Chaisson, although he does have good  
yatqb : 1/17/2020 5:17 pm : link
speed. I think Thomas was inconsistent and a leaner at times. When he kept his base he was solid.
I want Prince Winnebago.  
Klaatu : 1/17/2020 5:28 pm : link
He's on my "Drive Eric Nuts With Your Last Name" Team.
RE: becton as me intrigued  
geelabee : 1/19/2020 2:44 am : link
In comment 14783569 GiantNatty said:
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I've only watched 2 Georgia games so far, but I think it's unfair to  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/19/2020 3:39 am : link
say Thomas has bad feet. In fact, part of his problem may be he is too good both with his punch and his feet!

He is horribly inconsistent in his pass pro set up. It seems to me he is so used to defeating his opponent right at the LOS, he has never developed any sort of consistent kick slide step (is that the right term for it?) to get himself into the "normal" LT position to set a pocket of protection.

I think you actually see it fairly consistently if you take a mega view of Georgia's o-line during drop back (or shotgun) pass attempts when Fromm fires from the pocket. On the right side of Georgia's OL you see the classic upside down horseshoe shape of the pocket, but on the left side Thomas is parked at the LOS, forming a straight line with the LG and OC.

It's striking how often I've seen this, and Thomas is not regularly getting beat despite this flawed technique, because he's nailed his opponent to the LOS.


I haven't watched nearly enough of him yet, but his body type is outstanding for an OL. He's extremely thick and athletic through his lower body, and his initial punch is electrifying. I'd like to see him hold onto opponents better, to lock them up more when he gets mitts on them, a lŠ Will Hernandez.

So far I see a tremendous athlete at LT who has technique issues in his pass drop set up. Something I assume could be coached up, perhaps even easily if he's a willing student of the game.

Where you see awesome feet on him is his run blocking at the second level and beyond downfield.
RE: I want Prince Winnebago.  
Jay in Toronto : 1/19/2020 3:55 am : link
In comment 14783925 Klaatu said:
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He's on my "Drive Eric Nuts With Your Last Name" Team.


Eric, have you ever been driven nuts in a Winnebago??
RE: I want Prince Winnebago.  
bw in dc : 1/19/2020 8:07 am : link
In comment 14783925 Klaatu said:
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He's on my "Drive Eric Nuts With Your Last Name" Team.


These days Iím strong on two tackles - Wanogho and LSUís Saahdiq Charles. Not at #4, but definitely round two-ish prospects.
All 3 guys have good and some bad  
Jimmy Googs : 1/19/2020 8:19 am : link
None are worth the #4 pick but clear risk they don't all make it to Rd 2 spot.

I have seen plenty of Thomas at UGA and would say he projects much better than posters above saying Ereck Flowers, by far.
Itís worth repeating  
djm : 1/19/2020 11:20 am : link
So much will change from now until post combines and pro days. For all we know 2-3 teams are this close to vaulting one of these tackles to blue goose territory, but they need to see them in underwear first.

Nyg will draft one or these monsters at 4 if they pass the smell test next month. It wonít matter how good the corner is. The tackle will win their hearts and minds. Iím hoping it unfolds this way.
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christian : 1/19/2020 11:30 am : link
I want Wirfs at 4 and want him to play right tackle.

There are so few guys coming out of college who are really good at an offensive line position. If you can find a guy who has plus skills at a difficult to source position, take him and be happy. It's frankly what the Giants should have done Nelson.

If by some miracle he shows he can be a left tackle, that's tremendous, but that can't be the prerequisite.

I don't agree with a lot of what Gettleman does, but I do appreciate not getting cute in the first round. He's picked a good running back, good quarterback, good defensive tackle. Baker is a question mark. Add in a good offensive tackle, and that's four first round hits in 3 years.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2020 11:33 am : link
In comment 14785478 christian said:
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I want Wirfs at 4 and want him to play right tackle.

There are so few guys coming out of college who are really good at an offensive line position. If you can find a guy who has plus skills at a difficult to source position, take him and be happy. It's frankly what the Giants should have done Nelson.

If by some miracle he shows he can be a left tackle, that's tremendous, but that can't be the prerequisite.

I don't agree with a lot of what Gettleman does, but I do appreciate not getting cute in the first round. He's picked a good running back, good quarterback, good defensive tackle. Baker is a question mark. Add in a good offensive tackle, and that's four first round hits in 3 years.


You know I have zero knowledge when it comes to college football. However, TO DATE, off of what Iíve been able to learn about him, Iíd be all in on Wirfs at 4. Anticipating Syís take on him.
Wirfs is my guy. And Iíd be fine with him playing RT his whole career  
yatqb : 1/19/2020 11:38 am : link
Itís rare when need meets opportunity so well.
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christian : 1/19/2020 11:45 am : link
I predict Wirfs workouts are going to blow away teams. He's going to have top speed and strength numbers. When goes to the all Star game week, I predict he's the talk of the coaches.
RE: Wirfs is my guy. And Iíd be fine with him playing RT his whole career  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2020 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14785485 yatqb said:
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Itís rare when need meets opportunity so well.


Yup. We didnít do too badly with K-Mac there..
RE: Wirfs is my guy. And Iíd be fine with him playing RT his whole career  
Klaatu : 1/19/2020 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14785485 yatqb said:
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Itís rare when need meets opportunity so well.


I've got dibs on Tristan "Welcome To" Wirfs.
Iíd expect  
Phil in LA : 1/19/2020 12:42 pm : link
We take a bunch of Alabama players going forward.
'Wirfs...He's going to have top speed and strength numbers.'  
Torrag : 1/19/2020 3:18 pm : link
Top speed for an OL doesn't mean much and BP to me is the most useless exercise for predicting success in the history of workouts. Just sayin'. I'll be much more interested in his footwork, agility drills, position work and hand technique. I'd also watch every scrap of wrestling tape there is on him on the planet.

I like Wirfs a lot but he seems a little stiff to me with his core bend. I do think he's the 'safest'/high floor prospect of the top OT's.

It's been said many times but it bears repeating there is no slam dunk 'blue chip' player in this position group. They all have warts.
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