Wills/Thomas/Wirfs

If we could find a QB hungry team and trade down, I’m OK with Wirfs. Thomas reminds me too much of Erick Flowers.

I agree with your take on Wills. I just don't see him as a star; solid, but not a star. And Thomas isn't a good run blocker, and his pass blocking technique is inconsistent.

It's time to invest heavily in the OL, and if we don't sign Conklin I'd be excited about Wirfs at 4 (or even better in a small trade down).

you see quick feet with thomas? i see the opposite. to me he looks like he has slow feet and is wildly inconsistent in his pass set. i dont think he is worth #4 but look forweard to seeing him workout at combine to see if he has improved in those areas

In comment 14783533 The_Boss said:

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If we could find a QB hungry team and trade down, I’m OK with Wirfs. Thomas reminds me too much of Erick Flowers.

A QB hungry team will want to move up. Lets hope DG is willing to move down a few spota

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Tyler B. - Wisconsin
Lloyd Cushenberry - LSU
Zack Shackleford - Texas
Matt Hennessy - Temple

Where do these guys get drafted?

In comment 14783544 BleedBlue said:

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you see quick feet with thomas? i see the opposite. to me he looks like he has slow feet and is wildly inconsistent in his pass set. i dont think he is worth #4 but look forweard to seeing him workout at combine to see if he has improved in those areas

I can't speak on the technique and inconsistencies, but he looks to have amazing feet to me. Check out these clips of you haven't already
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In comment 14783573 No Where Man said:

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Tyler B. - Wisconsin Lloyd Cushenberry - LSU Zack Shackleford - Texas Matt Hennessy - Temple Where do these guys get drafted?

I've watched Hennessy in 2 games he was pushed all over the field. I am not sure where his hype comes from.

In comment 14783573 No Where Man said:

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Tyler B. - Wisconsin Lloyd Cushenberry - LSU Zack Shackleford - Texas Matt Hennessy - Temple Where do these guys get drafted?

With the 68th pick in the 2020 NFL Draft...

In comment 14783533 The_Boss said:

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If we could find a QB hungry team and trade down, I’m OK with Wirfs. Thomas reminds me too much of Erick Flowers.

Agree I don't think any are worth the 4

Shanski blitzed right by him constantly. Whether it was line calls or his own poor reads (he often poked to double the DT with his RG) both are his responsibility.

To sour on Thomas, yes he dominated inferior talent, but when it came time to stack up against real quality pass rushers, he shit the bed every time. I agree on his feet, he’s sloth footed as hell and is wildly inconsistent. IMHO I think Wirfs will be the best of the 3, and a future star at LT if whoever drafts him wants him there, Wirfs is a day 1 plug and play at RT. I’ve gotta watch more tape on Willis, but I’ve heard he’s solid and could rise fast during the pre draft process

fall apart in pass pro ... he can't move his feet and keep up laterally, he starts to turn his body to run, then he starts to bend at the waist and reach and grab, etc. Good run blocker.

Wirfs looks like a RT, plenty of power and snarl.

In comment 14783849 JonC said:

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fall apart in pass pro ... he can't move his feet and keep up laterally, he starts to turn his body to run, then he starts to bend at the waist and reach and grab, etc. Good run blocker. Wirfs looks like a RT, plenty of power and snarl.

How MIGHT Wirfs translate to OLT down the road, if at all? Feet?

TE who could block. (Actually, Smith did a job of it against Washington.)

And I definitely think he has the feet to move to LT in a year. I have fantastic drafting 2 OTs 1 and 2 because RT looks really strong early in this draft. Not the best use of resources for next season but could set us up well for the future.

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In comment 14783849 JonC said:

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fall apart in pass pro ... he can't move his feet and keep up laterally, he starts to turn his body to run, then he starts to bend at the waist and reach and grab, etc. Good run blocker.

Not for nothing, but Thomas did REALLY well in nearly shutting down K'Lavon Chaisson, who will be a first rounder in April.

speed. I think Thomas was inconsistent and a leaner at times. When he kept his base he was solid.

He's on my "Drive Eric Nuts With Your Last Name" Team.

In comment 14783569 GiantNatty said:

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say Thomas has bad feet. In fact, part of his problem may be he is too good both with his punch and his feet!

He is horribly inconsistent in his pass pro set up. It seems to me he is so used to defeating his opponent right at the LOS, he has never developed any sort of consistent kick slide step (is that the right term for it?) to get himself into the "normal" LT position to set a pocket of protection.

I think you actually see it fairly consistently if you take a mega view of Georgia's o-line during drop back (or shotgun) pass attempts when Fromm fires from the pocket. On the right side of Georgia's OL you see the classic upside down horseshoe shape of the pocket, but on the left side Thomas is parked at the LOS, forming a straight line with the LG and OC.

It's striking how often I've seen this, and Thomas is not regularly getting beat despite this flawed technique, because he's nailed his opponent to the LOS.


I haven't watched nearly enough of him yet, but his body type is outstanding for an OL. He's extremely thick and athletic through his lower body, and his initial punch is electrifying. I'd like to see him hold onto opponents better, to lock them up more when he gets mitts on them, a lá Will Hernandez.

So far I see a tremendous athlete at LT who has technique issues in his pass drop set up. Something I assume could be coached up, perhaps even easily if he's a willing student of the game.

Where you see awesome feet on him is his run blocking at the second level and beyond downfield.

In comment 14783925 Klaatu said:

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He's on my "Drive Eric Nuts With Your Last Name" Team.

Eric, have you ever been driven nuts in a Winnebago??

In comment 14783925 Klaatu said:

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He's on my "Drive Eric Nuts With Your Last Name" Team.

These days I’m strong on two tackles - Wanogho and LSU’s Saahdiq Charles. Not at #4, but definitely round two-ish prospects.

None are worth the #4 pick but clear risk they don't all make it to Rd 2 spot.

I have seen plenty of Thomas at UGA and would say he projects much better than posters above saying Ereck Flowers, by far.

So much will change from now until post combines and pro days. For all we know 2-3 teams are this close to vaulting one of these tackles to blue goose territory, but they need to see them in underwear first.

Nyg will draft one or these monsters at 4 if they pass the smell test next month. It won’t matter how good the corner is. The tackle will win their hearts and minds. I’m hoping it unfolds this way.

I want Wirfs at 4 and want him to play right tackle.

There are so few guys coming out of college who are really good at an offensive line position. If you can find a guy who has plus skills at a difficult to source position, take him and be happy. It's frankly what the Giants should have done Nelson.

If by some miracle he shows he can be a left tackle, that's tremendous, but that can't be the prerequisite.

I don't agree with a lot of what Gettleman does, but I do appreciate not getting cute in the first round. He's picked a good running back, good quarterback, good defensive tackle. Baker is a question mark. Add in a good offensive tackle, and that's four first round hits in 3 years.

In comment 14785478 christian said:

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I want Wirfs at 4 and want him to play right tackle. There are so few guys coming out of college who are really good at an offensive line position. If you can find a guy who has plus skills at a difficult to source position, take him and be happy. It's frankly what the Giants should have done Nelson. If by some miracle he shows he can be a left tackle, that's tremendous, but that can't be the prerequisite. I don't agree with a lot of what Gettleman does, but I do appreciate not getting cute in the first round. He's picked a good running back, good quarterback, good defensive tackle. Baker is a question mark. Add in a good offensive tackle, and that's four first round hits in 3 years.

You know I have zero knowledge when it comes to college football. However, TO DATE, off of what I’ve been able to learn about him, I’d be all in on Wirfs at 4. Anticipating Sy’s take on him.

It’s rare when need meets opportunity so well.

I predict Wirfs workouts are going to blow away teams. He's going to have top speed and strength numbers. When goes to the all Star game week, I predict he's the talk of the coaches.

In comment 14785485 yatqb said:

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It’s rare when need meets opportunity so well.

Yup. We didn’t do too badly with K-Mac there..

In comment 14785485 yatqb said:

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It’s rare when need meets opportunity so well.

I've got dibs on Tristan "Welcome To" Wirfs.

We take a bunch of Alabama players going forward.

Top speed for an OL doesn't mean much and BP to me is the most useless exercise for predicting success in the history of workouts. Just sayin'. I'll be much more interested in his footwork, agility drills, position work and hand technique. I'd also watch every scrap of wrestling tape there is on him on the planet.

I like Wirfs a lot but he seems a little stiff to me with his core bend. I do think he's the 'safest'/high floor prospect of the top OT's.

It's been said many times but it bears repeating there is no slam dunk 'blue chip' player in this position group. They all have warts.