Again, if the blue chip game changers, Burrow, Young and Okudah are not there, trade down.
Philosophically, this should be the mindset of the FO moving forward.
The team is talent deficient - look at this two ways
Scenario 1. The draft is a crapshoot, drafting at 4 vs 14 may be close odds on player success. Since the QB is in place, accumulate more swings at the plate and win more assets to the team.
They should try to double their picks here well into rd 5.
Scenario 2. Gettleman is good at drafting. Ok then! Let's get DG additional 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks. Even if we are picking later in the rounds, let DG do what he does best. He found Slayton and Connelly in rd 5, what could he show us with two 3rd, two 4ths and two more 5ths?
I hope they trade down multiple times to acquire more, build out what the Pats do, they had Brady so they knew they had to supply him with cheap talent all across the team.
They are in prime position to do this with all the QB starved teams right behind them. Build the depth and increase the chances at getting good players, trade down!
Hopefully Herbert and Tua have big combines leading up to the draft and we can get a bidding war going. There's a chance we can still end up with an Okudah or Simmons while getting an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick
Hopefully Herbert and Tua have big combines leading up to the draft and we can get a bidding war going. There's a chance we can still end up with an Okudah or Simmons while getting an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick
Is Tua even going to be able to participate in the combine? Herbert's stock rising will help us a lot if we do want to trade down.
-Colts traded the third overall pick for the sixth overall pick, as well as two 2nds and a 3rd.
-49ers traded the second overall pick for the third overall pick as well as two 3rds and a 4th
-Raiders traded the tenth overall pick for the 15th overall pick as well as a 3rd and a 5th
-Bucs traded the seventh overall pick for the 12th overall pick as well as two 2nds
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I think the strategy is easier said than done, but there is definitely a clear path to do so this year with Miami and LAC picking behind us. Both need a QB and Miami has a lot of draft capital to burn while LAC has fewer holes than a typical team drafting at 6 (they lost a TON of close games last year).
Hopefully Herbert and Tua have big combines leading up to the draft and we can get a bidding war going. There's a chance we can still end up with an Okudah or Simmons while getting an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick
Is Tua even going to be able to participate in the combine? Herbert's stock rising will help us a lot if we do want to trade down.
I think he said he's going to participate but most think he'll be limited at least. I still think he goes higher than people think, especially in a year where the QB talent isn't tremendous. Feel like a bunch of QBs go higher than projected every year.
It's hard to say that should be their draft strategy without knowing what is actually being offered. You can't under-sell the pick simply to get more selections.
Yes, the best hope is a team wants to leapfrog for a QB - but what if that scenario doesn't occur? To label someone a failure for not trading down is foolish because the lack of information at hand.
It's hard to say that should be their draft strategy without knowing what is actually being offered. You can't under-sell the pick simply to get more selections.
Yes, the best hope is a team wants to leapfrog for a QB - but what if that scenario doesn't occur? To label someone a failure for not trading down is foolish because the lack of information at hand.
Will we have the pleasure of reading your write ups on BBI this year? If not, where can we? Thanks!
The team will never admit they drafted a guy too high because no trade down was available - or appealing - so how do you evaluate if the team followed your advice or not?
And if you trade down to 8 or 10, you may still be able to get a guy like AJ Epenesa, who to me is a coin flip vs. almost anyone in the draft — and get a Queen or a Higgins for your trouble.
Luckly, or by design, it's down to parts that ought not cost a top 10 or even a top 20 pick. We will argue about priority -within- this list, but it's almost unanimous what the list is, in no particular order:
Free(i.e. zone dbs) Safeties (my top)
Linesmen (2, one, a center)
Ilb (at least 1, or two; dif types)
Ilb / Edge (1)
There are other positions I'd note but not as much by consensus:
Tight End
#2 RB
*****
One must realize it's a multi-year project. Smart move to keep Tyke Tolbert - this bodes well for one more year with the current roster at wrs. And got residual value from the prior coach. Thank you. Best wishes .
The list on top, need not be the "generational types" . Specific types to run a system or two .
It's hard to say that should be their draft strategy without knowing what is actually being offered. You can't under-sell the pick simply to get more selections.
Yes, the best hope is a team wants to leapfrog for a QB - but what if that scenario doesn't occur? To label someone a failure for not trading down is foolish because the lack of information at hand.
The issue isn't whether we trade down this year, it's that we haven't done so in any round since 2006. Reese never did. Neither did Young. DG has also never done so. Why not? You make it seem as if trading down is next to impossible. But many other teams manage to do so every year.
It sounds great but may be hard to work out.
Running plus sound defense in the entire 11.
Following year you might look back at upside.
Its definitely possible, but you've got to shop!
Its definitely possible, but you've got to shop!
Or answer your phone.
Draft day trades
Steelers trade up for No. 10 pick
Steelers receive:
» 2019 first-round pick (No. 10; select LB Devin Bush)
Broncos receive:
» 2019 first-round pick (No. 20; select TE Noah Fant)
» 2019 second-round pick (No. 52; trade to Bengals)
» 2020 third-round pick
Packers trade up to No. 21
Packers receive:
» 2019 first-round pick (No. 21; select DB Darnell Savage)
Seahawks receive:
» 2019 first-round pick (No. 30; trade to Giants)
» 2019 fourth-round pick (No. 114; trade to Minnesota)
» 2019 fourth-round pick (No. 118; trade to New England)
Eagles move up to No. 22
Eagles receive:
» 2019 first-round pick (No. 22; select OT Andre Dillard)
Ravens receive:
» 2019 first-round pick (No. 25; select WR Marquise Brown)
» 2019 fourth-round pick (No. 127; select CB Iman Marshall)
» 2019 sixth-round pick (No. 197; select QB Trace McSorley)
Redskins trade for 26th pick
Redskins receive:
» 2019 first-round pick (No. 26; select Edge Montez Sweat)
Colts receive:
» 2019 second-round pick (No. 46; trade to Browns)
» 2020 second-round pick
Giants jump back into first round
Giants receive:
» 2019 first-round pick (No. 30; select CB Deandre Baker)
Seahawks receive:
» 2019 second-round pick (No. 37; trade to Panthers)
» 2019 fourth-round pick (No. 132; select S Ugochukwu Amadi)
» 2019 fifth-round pick (No. 142; select LB Ben Burr-Kirven)
Falcons bounce back into first
Falcons receive:
» 2019 first-round pick (No. 31; select OT Kaleb McGary)
» 2019 sixth-round pick (No. 203; select WR Marcus Green)
Rams receive:
» 2019 second-round pick (No. 45; trade to Patriots)
» 2019 third-round pick (No. 79; select DB David Long)
Its definitely possible, but you've got to shop!
Well said.
And this is the answer to all of the people who say it's tougher than is seems. It's merely a cop out.
We can agree to disagree that he is a blue chip, I don't see him that way.
HOWEVER, if he's the next Calvin Johnson, take him!
I'd guess some of the ol fix us schematic....but not all that fix.
Partly
Next year maybe
I applaud our GM last year for doing that and I hope he does the same in 2020.
And it's easier to trade down from 20 or lower like the Pats are every year. The cost is much less to the other side.
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Jeudy is a blue chip prospect all day. Does this 'theory' apply to him Jim?
We can agree to disagree that he is a blue chip, I don't see him that way.
HOWEVER, if he's the next Calvin Johnson, take him!
No one really knows how a player is going to turn out ... see eg Michael Thomas and George Kittle etc ... so if they can a top 10ish and top 40ish for the no. 4, it would be smart to get that extra dart throw.
It's hard to say that should be their draft strategy without knowing what is actually being offered. You can't under-sell the pick simply to get more selections.
Yes, the best hope is a team wants to leapfrog for a QB - but what if that scenario doesn't occur? To label someone a failure for not trading down is foolish because the lack of information at hand.
SY: Do you think this draft is better to trade back in than the average draft? It seems light at the top to me. But I did not watch as much college football this year as normal. So, it could just be a mistaken perception on my part.
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Jeudy is a blue chip prospect all day. Does this 'theory' apply to him Jim?
We can agree to disagree that he is a blue chip, I don't see him that way.
HOWEVER, if he's the next Calvin Johnson, take him!
No one really knows how a player is going to turn out ... see eg Michael Thomas and George Kittle etc ... so if they can a top 10ish and top 40ish for the no. 4, it would be smart to get that extra dart throw.
I'm with you!
And of course there are George Kittles in every draft, lets let DG find them with more picks.
When I mean blue chips, I mean identified pre draft blue chip players. There are typically only a handful every year.
Agreed. If we had blue goose OT or ER, I'd say stay put. Would love to grab multiple at both spots and try to shake out some gold.
+1 . Specifically the yr to grab the OT in rd 1.
What the Colts got from the Jets is an ideal take (and one I think DG should have jumped on). They only dropped 2 spots, and got 2 picks at the top of the 2nd round.
You must have a strong feeling about a 2 or 3 players you don’t want to miss on then. Which ones? By my view, there are a ton of equivalent talent players in the top 15. In a world where JJ Watt went 11 and Aaron Donald went 12 (etc etc), I think it’s best not to fall in love with someone if you can accumulate more darts.
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I'll say this guys, ALMOST EVERYONE wants to trade down and acquire picks. Everyone knows more volume of picks makes success more likely with a draft class.
It's hard to say that should be their draft strategy without knowing what is actually being offered. You can't under-sell the pick simply to get more selections.
Yes, the best hope is a team wants to leapfrog for a QB - but what if that scenario doesn't occur? To label someone a failure for not trading down is foolish because the lack of information at hand.
The issue isn't whether we trade down this year, it's that we haven't done so in any round since 2006. Reese never did. Neither did Young. DG has also never done so. Why not? You make it seem as if trading down is next to impossible. But many other teams manage to do so every year.
The trade down makes it seem like that’s the only way to be successful in the draft.
Gross-Matos is vastly underrated - so far - around here.
giants 1st and 3rd(comp) for Miami's 1st(5th) and 1st(2*th)