Ed Werder
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Former #Cowboys HC Jason Garrett has agreed to become the offensive coordinator for the New York Giants and first-year head coach Joe Judge, per source:
You guys are going to hear a lot of people, especially Cowboys fans, trash this. Garrett did in fact underachieve with the Cowboys...but that was as HC.
But I want you to think of how well STATISTICALLY Romo did. How well Dak did. How well Zeke did. How well Witten did. Think about that O-Line.
All of that is what Garrett helped develop. Why the Cowboys weren't particularly successful is irrelevant when it comes to this hiring. Some of it had to do with Garrett's clock management, but guess what, that's going to be Judge's job now. Garrett is going to focus SOLELY on the offense.
is that he has an advantage in attracting OC and DC coaches because there is no presumed head chef behind them. I would have preferred Gruden or Turner here but like this hire. He was a forward thinking guy as an OC, I’m hoping he rediscovers that curiosity and ambition. No Linnehan in any capacity though, bring in Callahan as an OL coach and run game coordinator and this is a home run.
I feel better about this hire then i do about shula thats for Â
damn sure . Who knows how it will work out but shula was a DOA.
What i dont understand is what im seeing on twitter. A lot of fans trashing this hire but in the same token praising shurmur as a great hire for the broncos for their OC . What am i missing here ? At least garrett had some success as head coach whereas shurmur was an abject failure and the worst coach i have ever seen. Why was the shurmur hire praised while this is ridiculed ?
RE: I feel better about this hire then i do about shula thats for Â
damn sure . Who knows how it will work out but shula was a DOA.
What i dont understand is what im seeing on twitter. A lot of fans trashing this hire but in the same token praising shurmur as a great hire for the broncos for their OC . What am i missing here ? At least garrett had some success as head coach whereas shurmur was an abject failure and the worst coach i have ever seen. Why was the shurmur hire praised while this is ridiculed ?
Never try to make sense of Twitter.
RE: If Garrett is able to use Saquon the way he used Ezekiel Â
Says who? They had a mediocre season this year and fell under expectations but basically every other year other than this one dallas either met or exceeded expectations. And simply put, Dallas was worse off prior to Garrett taking over and he left Dallas in much much better shape. He turned Prescott into a household name. He never had a losing record. He came terrifyingly (from nyg fan pov) close to getting Dallas the nfc title game on more than one occasion. He won playoff games. Has Dallas been better in any other decade besides the 70s and 90s? Nope.
Dallas is a talented roster but doesn’t Garrett get some of the credit? And is it remotely possible that the Dallas Cowboys roster is just a tad overrated? You know, this is Dallas we’re talking about. They are always hyped up to some extent.The D really was the bigger disappointment in Dallas. Garret’s offense was terrific.
Might have been time to move on but Dallas was pretty well coached the last 9-10 years, as a whole.
You guys are going to hear a lot of people, especially Cowboys fans, trash this. Garrett did in fact underachieve with the Cowboys...but that was as HC.
But I want you to think of how well STATISTICALLY Romo did. How well Dak did. How well Zeke did. How well Witten did. Think about that O-Line.
All of that is what Garrett helped develop. Why the Cowboys weren't particularly successful is irrelevant when it comes to this hiring. Some of it had to do with Garrett's clock management, but guess what, that's going to be Judge's job now. Garrett is going to focus SOLELY on the offense.
Great hire. I'm excited.
I dont think Garrett had anything to do with how elusive Romo was, how strong Zeke is or how well Witten ran routes
Garrett is going to also be the training wheels for Judge.
Not a bad thing, but something to keep in mind...
Damn, even when you say something positive, you say it in a negative way.
"training wheels".. "Not a bad thing"?
To get a really good former OC with 10 f*cking years as HC (with a winning record) in our division who helped an UFA QB and 4th rd QB be pro bowlers, who had the #2 ranked offense as an OC with a RB named Marion... is NOT a BAD THING.
This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
RE: this has potential mischief written all over it Â
This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
C'mon dude. Be happy for once. You were predicting this wouldn't happen just a few hours ago.
RE: this has potential mischief written all over it Â
This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
It's crystal clear that the Giants have made a longterm investment in Judge. He has NOTHING to worry about.
RE: this has potential mischief written all over it Â
This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
Based strictly off their media personas, I don’t see Garrett cucking Judge here. Armchairing the personalities, it’s actually a fit.
Damn, even when you say something positive, you say it in a negative way.
"training wheels".. "Not a bad thing"?
To get a really good former OC with 10 f*cking years as HC (with a winning record) in our division who helped an UFA QB and 4th rd QB be pro bowlers, who had the #2 ranked offense as an OC with a RB named Marion... is NOT a BAD THING.
No, this is a very good thing.
The point is Garrett has nearly a decade of HC experience and should be able to help - "training wheels" - Judge on this maiden voyage as a HC.
This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
wow. I would hate to be so negative.
Judge doesn't seem like the type that will have a problem with anyone questioning who's in charge and Garrett doesn't seem like the kind that's going to be trying to undermine Judge.
Plenty of former HCs with what appears to be much less character (Schwartz?) than Garrett, have managed to go back to coordinating without causing problems for their HC.
Damn, even when you say something positive, you say it in a negative way.
"training wheels".. "Not a bad thing"?
To get a really good former OC with 10 f*cking years as HC (with a winning record) in our division who helped an UFA QB and 4th rd QB be pro bowlers, who had the #2 ranked offense as an OC with a RB named Marion... is NOT a BAD THING.
No, this is a very good thing.
The point is Garrett has nearly a decade of HC experience and should be able to help - "training wheels" - Judge on this maiden voyage as a HC.
Yeah, we all get that. The combination of his really good history as an OC and his experience as HC for Judge to lean on when necessary, makes this an excellent hire.
We just see things differently. I'm generally a positive person, but I see this hire very positively.
This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
What an absolutely ridiculous take. Let me guess, if it wasn't garrett and it was o'shea, shula or whoever..,your take would be we have a head coach with no head coaching experience and no coaches with head coaching experience on the staff to help Judge.
Jason Garrett is not a big personality like a rex Ryan, Gregg Williams or even a Jim schwartz that could potentially create separation among players. Joe Judge comes across as a very commanding presence and someone who will be a leader
RE: RE: this has potential mischief written all over it Â
This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
What an absolutely ridiculous take. Let me guess, if it wasn't garrett and it was o'shea, shula or whoever..,your take would be we have a head coach with no head coaching experience and no coaches with head coaching experience on the staff to help Judge.
Jason Garrett is not a big personality like a rex Ryan, Gregg Williams or even a Jim schwartz that could potentially create separation among players. Joe Judge comes across as a very commanding presence and someone who will be a leader
Not to mention Garrett comes from same Nick Saban line as Joe Judge so it isn’t as tangential as Shula having a connection to Shurmur via Ron Rivera being Andy Reid’s LB Coach
This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
What an absolutely ridiculous take. Let me guess, if it wasn't garrett and it was o'shea, shula or whoever..,your take would be we have a head coach with no head coaching experience and no coaches with head coaching experience on the staff to help Judge.
Jason Garrett is not a big personality like a rex Ryan, Gregg Williams or even a Jim schwartz that could potentially create separation among players. Joe Judge comes across as a very commanding presence and someone who will be a leader
Garrett seems to have just about the perfect personality for this type of situation.
RE: this has potential mischief WITTEN all over it Â
This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
Can’t believe you missed that pun
RE: How did Garrett underachieve in Dallas? (Question djm) Â
Says who? They had a mediocre season this year and fell under expectations but basically every other year other than this one dallas either met or exceeded expectations. And simply put, Dallas was worse off prior to Garrett taking over and he left Dallas in much much better shape. He turned Prescott into a household name. He never had a losing record. He came terrifyingly (from nyg fan pov) close to getting Dallas the nfc title game on more than one occasion. He won playoff games. Has Dallas been better in any other decade besides the 70s and 90s? Nope.
Dallas is a talented roster but doesn’t Garrett get some of the credit? And is it remotely possible that the Dallas Cowboys roster is just a tad overrated? You know, this is Dallas we’re talking about. They are always hyped up to some extent.The D really was the bigger disappointment in Dallas. Garret’s offense was terrific.
Might have been time to move on but Dallas was pretty well coached the last 9-10 years, as a whole.
So, would be ecstatic and very pleased if the Giants under Judge’s leadership for the next 10 years only won two first round playoff games? Is that all you need to make you happy and feel content?
You guys are going to hear a lot of people, especially Cowboys fans, trash this. Garrett did in fact underachieve with the Cowboys...but that was as HC.
But I want you to think of how well STATISTICALLY Romo did. How well Dak did. How well Zeke did. How well Witten did. Think about that O-Line.
All of that is what Garrett helped develop. Why the Cowboys weren't particularly successful is irrelevant when it comes to this hiring. Some of it had to do with Garrett's clock management, but guess what, that's going to be Judge's job now. Garrett is going to focus SOLELY on the offense.
Phillip Tanner [the former running back] was asked if Romo was a Garrett guy and this is what he had to say:
“Contrary to everyone’s belief, #9 was not a Garrett guy.”
Tanner gave some examples of why he felt that Romo did not fall into that group.
“Communication. Sideline communication, body language, media, post-game interviews - whether it’s post-game interviews from Garrett or post-game interviews from Romo. You can look at Romo and Garrett’s body language throughout the entire time they were there and you could see that Ro was not a Garrett guy. From times at practice you would see it, in meetings you would see it. They didn’t have a bad relationship. I don’t want people saying ‘oh, PT said Romo and Garrett didn’t get along.’ That’s not what I’m saying. All I’m saying is Romo was not a Garrett guy."
Tanner was asked if this had anything to do with how often Romo changed the plays?
“A lot. It has a lot to do with that. The confidence level and the trust factor between those two.”
The overall impression I get from Cowboys' fans comments on Garrett is that he likes things his way. How this plays into his relationships with both Jones and Judge here, we'll see.
Phillip Tanner [the former running back] was asked if Romo was a Garrett guy and this is what he had to say:
“Contrary to everyone’s belief, #9 was not a Garrett guy.”
Tanner gave some examples of why he felt that Romo did not fall into that group.
“Communication. Sideline communication, body language, media, post-game interviews - whether it’s post-game interviews from Garrett or post-game interviews from Romo. You can look at Romo and Garrett’s body language throughout the entire time they were there and you could see that Ro was not a Garrett guy. From times at practice you would see it, in meetings you would see it. They didn’t have a bad relationship. I don’t want people saying ‘oh, PT said Romo and Garrett didn’t get along.’ That’s not what I’m saying. All I’m saying is Romo was not a Garrett guy."
Tanner was asked if this had anything to do with how often Romo changed the plays?
“A lot. It has a lot to do with that. The confidence level and the trust factor between those two.”
The overall impression I get from Cowboys' fans comments on Garrett is that he likes things his way. How this plays into his relationships with both Jones and Judge here, we'll see.
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Interesting. Thank you shyster.
RE: this has potential mischief written all over it Â
This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
I don't see any reason to think Garrett has the type of confrontational personality to do that. And even if he did, I also don't see any reason to think he'd even be able to take on Judge who does not appear to be some meek pushover.
Not overly excited. Garrett spent 13 years with Dallas. Average coordinator. He was a yes man in Dallas. He may flourish with Giants. He biggest asset is experience. Not a risk taker. His offense modeled after Cowboy teams of the 90’s. Likes running the ball. Not very innovative.
One 13-3. One 12-4. 4 Allie Sherman’s, but only 1 losing season. Since his Dad’s days with the Giants turning loose Jack Gregory in the Rover, the family has had a presence with the Giants as well as Cowboys . He has had decent success against the Eagles . He is a great hire .
When the previous regime change occurred , beginning with the stooge conference that saw Gettleman as its work product , through the formation of an utterly uninspiring coaching staff ( Men in Grey Flannel Suits), I was drained of any enthusiasm following this team . I watched the games . I followed the news . But I couldn’t care less . Now I feel better .
Not happening. He is retired.
Brilliant woman too. She went to Princeton undergrad and Harvard Law School
Also, will help in the 2 games vs Dallas next year since he really knows their personnel.
God knows Gettleman could use a hand
Not a bad thing, but something to keep in mind...
But I want you to think of how well STATISTICALLY Romo did. How well Dak did. How well Zeke did. How well Witten did. Think about that O-Line.
All of that is what Garrett helped develop. Why the Cowboys weren't particularly successful is irrelevant when it comes to this hiring. Some of it had to do with Garrett's clock management, but guess what, that's going to be Judge's job now. Garrett is going to focus SOLELY on the offense.
Great hire. I'm excited.
What i dont understand is what im seeing on twitter. A lot of fans trashing this hire but in the same token praising shurmur as a great hire for the broncos for their OC . What am i missing here ? At least garrett had some success as head coach whereas shurmur was an abject failure and the worst coach i have ever seen. Why was the shurmur hire praised while this is ridiculed ?
What i dont understand is what im seeing on twitter. A lot of fans trashing this hire but in the same token praising shurmur as a great hire for the broncos for their OC . What am i missing here ? At least garrett had some success as head coach whereas shurmur was an abject failure and the worst coach i have ever seen. Why was the shurmur hire praised while this is ridiculed ?
Never try to make sense of Twitter.
If he can get the Oline playing like Dallas’s Oline, then yea, he’ll play a lot like Zeke. Therein lies the first problem.
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I'm in.
If he can get the Oline playing like Dallas’s Oline, then yea, he’ll play a lot like Zeke. Therein lies the first problem.
Yeah as long as gettleman thinks halapio is good this team is screwed. someone better step up and talk some sense into him
Dallas is a talented roster but doesn’t Garrett get some of the credit? And is it remotely possible that the Dallas Cowboys roster is just a tad overrated? You know, this is Dallas we’re talking about. They are always hyped up to some extent.The D really was the bigger disappointment in Dallas. Garret’s offense was terrific.
Might have been time to move on but Dallas was pretty well coached the last 9-10 years, as a whole.
But I want you to think of how well STATISTICALLY Romo did. How well Dak did. How well Zeke did. How well Witten did. Think about that O-Line.
All of that is what Garrett helped develop. Why the Cowboys weren't particularly successful is irrelevant when it comes to this hiring. Some of it had to do with Garrett's clock management, but guess what, that's going to be Judge's job now. Garrett is going to focus SOLELY on the offense.
Great hire. I'm excited.
I dont think Garrett had anything to do with how elusive Romo was, how strong Zeke is or how well Witten ran routes
Not a bad thing, but something to keep in mind...
Damn, even when you say something positive, you say it in a negative way.
"training wheels".. "Not a bad thing"?
To get a really good former OC with 10 f*cking years as HC (with a winning record) in our division who helped an UFA QB and 4th rd QB be pro bowlers, who had the #2 ranked offense as an OC with a RB named Marion... is NOT a BAD THING.
No, this is a very good thing.
C'mon dude. Be happy for once. You were predicting this wouldn't happen just a few hours ago.
It's crystal clear that the Giants have made a longterm investment in Judge. He has NOTHING to worry about.
Based strictly off their media personas, I don’t see Garrett cucking Judge here. Armchairing the personalities, it’s actually a fit.
Damn, even when you say something positive, you say it in a negative way.
"training wheels".. "Not a bad thing"?
To get a really good former OC with 10 f*cking years as HC (with a winning record) in our division who helped an UFA QB and 4th rd QB be pro bowlers, who had the #2 ranked offense as an OC with a RB named Marion... is NOT a BAD THING.
No, this is a very good thing.
The point is Garrett has nearly a decade of HC experience and should be able to help - "training wheels" - Judge on this maiden voyage as a HC.
wow. I would hate to be so negative.
Judge doesn't seem like the type that will have a problem with anyone questioning who's in charge and Garrett doesn't seem like the kind that's going to be trying to undermine Judge.
Plenty of former HCs with what appears to be much less character (Schwartz?) than Garrett, have managed to go back to coordinating without causing problems for their HC.
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Damn, even when you say something positive, you say it in a negative way.
"training wheels".. "Not a bad thing"?
To get a really good former OC with 10 f*cking years as HC (with a winning record) in our division who helped an UFA QB and 4th rd QB be pro bowlers, who had the #2 ranked offense as an OC with a RB named Marion... is NOT a BAD THING.
No, this is a very good thing.
The point is Garrett has nearly a decade of HC experience and should be able to help - "training wheels" - Judge on this maiden voyage as a HC.
Yeah, we all get that. The combination of his really good history as an OC and his experience as HC for Judge to lean on when necessary, makes this an excellent hire.
We just see things differently. I'm generally a positive person, but I see this hire very positively.
I'm fine with the hire. He might do well, but talk about swings in opinion.
Freaking love this signing.
What an absolutely ridiculous take. Let me guess, if it wasn't garrett and it was o'shea, shula or whoever..,your take would be we have a head coach with no head coaching experience and no coaches with head coaching experience on the staff to help Judge.
Jason Garrett is not a big personality like a rex Ryan, Gregg Williams or even a Jim schwartz that could potentially create separation among players. Joe Judge comes across as a very commanding presence and someone who will be a leader
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This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
What an absolutely ridiculous take. Let me guess, if it wasn't garrett and it was o'shea, shula or whoever..,your take would be we have a head coach with no head coaching experience and no coaches with head coaching experience on the staff to help Judge.
Jason Garrett is not a big personality like a rex Ryan, Gregg Williams or even a Jim schwartz that could potentially create separation among players. Joe Judge comes across as a very commanding presence and someone who will be a leader
Not to mention Garrett comes from same Nick Saban line as Joe Judge so it isn’t as tangential as Shula having a connection to Shurmur via Ron Rivera being Andy Reid’s LB Coach
Freaking love this signing.
Somewhat ironically I see it being hated on elsewhere
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This all looks great in January. Let’s see who looks to Judge and who looks to Garrett when the going gets tough in October. If I am Judge, I’’m not feeling too comfortable with a former HC of the year looking over my shoulder.
What an absolutely ridiculous take. Let me guess, if it wasn't garrett and it was o'shea, shula or whoever..,your take would be we have a head coach with no head coaching experience and no coaches with head coaching experience on the staff to help Judge.
Jason Garrett is not a big personality like a rex Ryan, Gregg Williams or even a Jim schwartz that could potentially create separation among players. Joe Judge comes across as a very commanding presence and someone who will be a leader
Garrett seems to have just about the perfect personality for this type of situation.
Can’t believe you missed that pun
Dallas is a talented roster but doesn’t Garrett get some of the credit? And is it remotely possible that the Dallas Cowboys roster is just a tad overrated? You know, this is Dallas we’re talking about. They are always hyped up to some extent.The D really was the bigger disappointment in Dallas. Garret’s offense was terrific.
Might have been time to move on but Dallas was pretty well coached the last 9-10 years, as a whole.
So, would be ecstatic and very pleased if the Giants under Judge’s leadership for the next 10 years only won two first round playoff games? Is that all you need to make you happy and feel content?
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for the first time ever I think we have a unanimous approval on BBI for this hire.
Freaking love this signing.
Somewhat ironically I see it being hated on elsewhere
you have to be you're referring to Giants.com, those people are dipshits.
But I want you to think of how well STATISTICALLY Romo did. How well Dak did. How well Zeke did. How well Witten did. Think about that O-Line.
All of that is what Garrett helped develop. Why the Cowboys weren't particularly successful is irrelevant when it comes to this hiring. Some of it had to do with Garrett's clock management, but guess what, that's going to be Judge's job now. Garrett is going to focus SOLELY on the offense.
Great hire. I'm excited.
Good pot
“Contrary to everyone’s belief, #9 was not a Garrett guy.”
Tanner gave some examples of why he felt that Romo did not fall into that group.
“Communication. Sideline communication, body language, media, post-game interviews - whether it’s post-game interviews from Garrett or post-game interviews from Romo. You can look at Romo and Garrett’s body language throughout the entire time they were there and you could see that Ro was not a Garrett guy. From times at practice you would see it, in meetings you would see it. They didn’t have a bad relationship. I don’t want people saying ‘oh, PT said Romo and Garrett didn’t get along.’ That’s not what I’m saying. All I’m saying is Romo was not a Garrett guy."
Tanner was asked if this had anything to do with how often Romo changed the plays?
“A lot. It has a lot to do with that. The confidence level and the trust factor between those two.”
The overall impression I get from Cowboys' fans comments on Garrett is that he likes things his way. How this plays into his relationships with both Jones and Judge here, we'll see.
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Did they overlap? I didn’t think so.
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Phillip Tanner [the former running back] was asked if Romo was a Garrett guy and this is what he had to say:
“Contrary to everyone’s belief, #9 was not a Garrett guy.”
Tanner gave some examples of why he felt that Romo did not fall into that group.
“Communication. Sideline communication, body language, media, post-game interviews - whether it’s post-game interviews from Garrett or post-game interviews from Romo. You can look at Romo and Garrett’s body language throughout the entire time they were there and you could see that Ro was not a Garrett guy. From times at practice you would see it, in meetings you would see it. They didn’t have a bad relationship. I don’t want people saying ‘oh, PT said Romo and Garrett didn’t get along.’ That’s not what I’m saying. All I’m saying is Romo was not a Garrett guy."
Tanner was asked if this had anything to do with how often Romo changed the plays?
“A lot. It has a lot to do with that. The confidence level and the trust factor between those two.”
The overall impression I get from Cowboys' fans comments on Garrett is that he likes things his way. How this plays into his relationships with both Jones and Judge here, we'll see.
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Interesting. Thank you shyster.
I don't see any reason to think Garrett has the type of confrontational personality to do that. And even if he did, I also don't see any reason to think he'd even be able to take on Judge who does not appear to be some meek pushover.
When the previous regime change occurred , beginning with the stooge conference that saw Gettleman as its work product , through the formation of an utterly uninspiring coaching staff ( Men in Grey Flannel Suits), I was drained of any enthusiasm following this team . I watched the games . I followed the news . But I couldn’t care less . Now I feel better .