-Thus far, Jones has been developed in the WCO system; however, Garrett was brought up in the Norv Turner system. How will the offensive system look?
-Garrett will be the HC of the offense.
-Garrett is an unknown in a lot of ways, he hasn’t called plays in a long time.
It will be very interesting to see Jones in this new system.
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It would be like Carlos Beltran branding everything he does for the next year as "from the eye of a former Mets manager".
This x1000%. For a guy who had an unforgettable run as GM in Oakland and lasted less than a few months in Cleveland, he really has a high opinion of himself
He’s never been wrong when handicapping a NFL game. He’s either right or was originally right, but changed his mind like an idiot.
With that said, he’s unusually blunt for someone in the media.
I hope this works but it smacks of one that Giant specialty, the institutional compromise. We've seen how those work out.
I hope this works but it smacks of one that Giant specialty, the institutional compromise. We've seen how those work out.
Holy shit. You're the worst. You came up with a bunch of reasons as to why Garrett wasn't going to take the job. Which you were wrong about and now you list off a bunch of made up negatives to try and help your original point.
NFL teams hire first time head coaches with veteran staff all the time. It's rarely ever a problem. Now all the sudden it's a big deal? Institutional compromise? What the fuck are you even talking about?
I hope this works but it smacks of one that Giant specialty, the institutional compromise. We've seen how those work out.
I think you've made your point on every thread. We got it.
I hope this works but it smacks of one that Giant specialty, the institutional compromise. We've seen how those work out.
You have been miserable for 25 years. Congrats?
This. "Big hat, no cattle"
Guy also has such a weird issue with the Giants. Not sure where it comes from but it is pretty apparent. It is hard to take anything he says with regard to the Giants seriously.
You have been miserable for 25 years. Congrats?
When every grand prediction you make ends up dead wrong and your read on the Giants' situation is consistently way, way off, you tend to become miserable.
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how about dealing with the fact that he is right: Garrett is the HC of the offense and the only one on the staff with any HC experience. It's like appointing a guy from the executive training program as the CEO and then hiring the CEO from a competitor to run one of the company's divisions. Who will take orders from whom? How will conflict be addressed? What happens the first time the rookie CEO who has no experience at all with what that division does starts asking questions or issuing orders about it or questioning what the division head is doing in the middle of a production run?
I hope this works but it smacks of one that Giant specialty, the institutional compromise. We've seen how those work out.
Holy shit. You're the worst. You came up with a bunch of reasons as to why Garrett wasn't going to take the job. Which you were wrong about and now you list off a bunch of made up negatives to try and help your original point.
NFL teams hire first time head coaches with veteran staff all the time. It's rarely ever a problem. Now all the sudden it's a big deal? Institutional compromise? What the fuck are you even talking about?
I guess people watch them to have their own opinions validated by someone they may trust.
In reality they just throw crap on the wall to see if it sticks.
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how about dealing with the fact that he is right: Garrett is the HC of the offense and the only one on the staff with any HC experience. It's like appointing a guy from the executive training program as the CEO and then hiring the CEO from a competitor to run one of the company's divisions. Who will take orders from whom? How will conflict be addressed? What happens the first time the rookie CEO who has no experience at all with what that division does starts asking questions or issuing orders about it or questioning what the division head is doing in the middle of a production run?
I hope this works but it smacks of one that Giant specialty, the institutional compromise. We've seen how those work out.
I think you've made your point on every thread. We got it.
That's what New England has done for years and Judge sounds serious about that being the approach, I'm not worried about Garrett being too rigid or married to one system.
This is kind of a unique opportunity for this coaching staff offensively with Barkley & Jones already in the building.
A) since JG hasn't been an OC for 10 years, we don't know what kind of OC he will be or even what system he will run.
B) On the other hand he claims Garrett will run a "Norv Turner numbers offense" which he claims isn't consistent with Pat Shurmur's WCO.
C) NORV Turner coached, for the first 15 years of his career, on various west coast teams. Many years at USC, and finally the last 5 of those years with the LA Rams under offensive coordinator Ernie Zampese.
Wasn't Zampese a WCO guy who learned under Coryell?
Isn't Turner's offense a type of WCO?
ANYWAY making any claim like B above flies in the face of his own point A.
I don't trust three words out of Mike's mouth.
If somebody is more knowledgeable about Lombardi's claims, please explain WTF he's saying.
One is never exactly taking a position or advocating a solution
Two is mostly looking backwards
Three is when looking forward to use backwards to infer forward without any intervening variables or analysis.
Too often:
Trolls think they aren't easy to spot.
Trolls think we are stupid
Trolls think far too much of themselves
Trolls don't actually try to make a contribution they just try to generate reactions
Trolls have the self awareness of a side hooked baby flounder yanked out of the water and flopping on the deck in the sunshine
Trolls don't change when they are wrong or spotted...they generate more flurry
imo...Lombardi fits to a T
A) since JG hasn't been an OC for 10 years, we don't know what kind of OC he will be or even what system he will run.
B) On the other hand he claims Garrett will run a "Norv Turner numbers offense" which he claims isn't consistent with Pat Shurmur's WCO.
C) NORV Turner coached, for the first 15 years of his career, on various west coast teams. Many years at USC, and finally the last 5 of those years with the LA Rams under offensive coordinator Ernie Zampese.
Wasn't Zampese a WCO guy who learned under Coryell?
Isn't Turner's offense a type of WCO?
ANYWAY making any claim like B above flies in the face of his own point A.
I don't trust three words out of Mike's mouth.
If somebody is more knowledgeable about Lombardi's claims, please explain WTF he's saying.
Couple things on this, I went back and looked up JG's coaching career. He started as a QB coach under Saban(another coach who has ties to Belicheck, and also who Judge coached under).
The OC when Garret was QB coach for Saban with the Dolphins was Linehan. Linehan moved on and Garrett's second year with Saban the OC was Mike Mularkey.
When Garret came on with Dallas, he served as OC from 2007-2010 till he took over as interim. When he was hired as the HC in 2011, the Cowboys did not staff an OC, in fact, even when they brought in Scott Linehan in 2014, Linehan did not take over playcallng duties and did not hold the title of OC, his title was passing game coordinator.
From 2015-2018 Linehan took the role of offensive coordinator in Dallas, 2015-2019 is the Span of Garrett's tenure in Dallas as HC where the Cowboys employed an assitant coach with the title of offensive coordinator.
Regarding the system...
Base Offense: Air Coryell Hybrid
In what has to be considered a less-than-surprising move, the Dallas Cowboys have stripped head coach Jason Garrett of play-calling duties (via NFL.com). The writing was on the wall here, especially considering the Cowboys lack of success in the run game.
Offensive coordinator Bill Callahan will now take over play-calling duties.
This doesn't mean that the Cowboys' plans include changing their philosophy. They will focus more on the run than in the past, but the "Air Coryell" should still be in full force, or at least to an extent.
According to Garrett, Tony Romo has been successful running this in the past (from 2011, via Blogging the Boys):
Romo was pretty good from the start," Garrett says in the book. "But we absolutely had to coach him to get away from the center. And we've had to coach receivers to get off the ball. Like Ernie always said: 'Speed, speed, speed.' None of that changes.
It's a timing-based offense. The quarterback, in this case Romo, throws the ball to a target and spreads the field. The overall philosophy is to force the defense to cover the entire field and give receivers an ability to make plays in the open field.
In a perfect world, Dez Bryant fits great into this scheme. He is one of the most electric receivers with the ball in his hands, which is an important point of emphasis in this type of attack.
Blogging the Boys is also reporting that Dallas my start using the terminology of the Erhardt-Perkins scheme, which enables the play call to get to the field much quicker. It also focuses more on concepts than actual route trees and specific plays. This system has been popularized by the New England Patriots over the years. ...
So, the pairing of Judge from the Patriots, with Garret..does seem to indicate the Giants are parting ways with West Coast based system to some version of Air Coryell/Erhardt-Perkins hybrid..
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I'm still wondering how that's looked at as a bad thing.
BSIMatt, I understand Perkins and Earnhardt ran something distinct from a WCO, but aren't Air Coryell and Zampese's system variations on the WCO? Just as Bill Walsh's was? Or Andy Reid's (and through him Pat Shurmur's) offenses likewise individual variations or hybridizations of the WCO? Living in the SF Bay area during Walsh's zenith as 49er's HC, it was as obvious as all heck that timing and speed off the snap were two of the biggest principles and practices Walsh taught.
JJ: You have been a HC for 10 years, you think coming here to work under a HC will be an issue?
JG: No, I get it. As a former HC I know what kind of support I wanted and I’ll try to give you that. But it’s your team. I won’t undermine you. In fact the fastest way to get another shot is to succeed as a team and make this O work. I’m happy to be a sounding board on HC things if I can help, but I’ll leave that to you if you want that.
JJ: great, I appreciate that.
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Seems impossible!
Yep