Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I think they may get off to a hot start as McCarthy pulls some things out that he has been working on during his year off. I think after his first season it will be interesting to see if he keeps evolving or falls back to his old ways.
Funny I was just having this conversation with my friend two days ago. I mentioned how underwhelming Dallas' hires have been while they lost some good coaches in Marinelli, Richard, and Colombo.
I also said how disappointed I was that Washington has built a strong staff and I am genuinely concerned about Washington. Their defense has underachieved as SF did prior to this year. Once they add Chase Young we could see that defense take off under Del Rio.
Curious to see how McCarthy does. His staff does seem underwhelming in comparison to who they had.
I think the redskins definitely downgraded with their offensive line coach. Callahan was able to get the most out of the least. I don't know how anyone would be able to get more out of what he did.
Washington could be better, but I don't think it is because Rivera is there. Guice was not healthy this year, McClaurin missed time, and obviously Haskins is young. If those guys get healthy and develop, they should be better. And obviously they stand to get Chase Young, which won't hurt.
I was scared as heck that we would hire Rivera here because of his connection to Gettleman. That is a pitfall I think we avoided.
Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
I haven't paid close enough attention to the other teams to know and I'm not trying yo be a jerk here but I don't see how you could've watched the Giants under Shurmur and his staff and not see coaching was a huge problem.
It might not have been their only problem but I think it's was most definitely their biggest. They never corrected mistakes or made adjustments to name just a couple of the coaching problems I saw.
now that Garrett can remove himself from the Jerry era I think he’s going to have a chip on his shoulder as our OC. He can just do his thing and get this offense back to being a top 5 unit. I know it’s probably stupid but I’ve been thinking about this ever since he was being considered for the role.
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Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
I haven't paid close enough attention to the other teams to know and I'm not trying yo be a jerk here but I don't see how you could've watched the Giants under Shurmur and his staff and not see coaching was a huge problem.
It might not have been their only problem but I think it's was most definitely their biggest. They never corrected mistakes or made adjustments to name just a couple of the coaching problems I saw.
Look, the Giants have a talent problem. Belichick wasn't going to come in here week 1 and win. Coaches help, but none of that matters until we get more talent.
Where we failed in past years was growing the players we had, particularly on D. And I've never seen a worse assembled crew of LBs in my life. It was also embarrassing watching defensive players run different plays on any given snap. No one was on the same page.
We're focused a lot on OC, but the defensive coaches absolutely have to develop our DL and DBs. There is talent there with Tomlinson, Lawrence, BJ Hill, Carter, X-Man, Baker, Beal, Ballentine, and Love.
RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure coaching is really the problem Â
Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
I haven't paid close enough attention to the other teams to know and I'm not trying yo be a jerk here but I don't see how you could've watched the Giants under Shurmur and his staff and not see coaching was a huge problem.
It might not have been their only problem but I think it's was most definitely their biggest. They never corrected mistakes or made adjustments to name just a couple of the coaching problems I saw.
Look, the Giants have a talent problem. Belichick wasn't going to come in here week 1 and win. Coaches help, but none of that matters until we get more talent.
Where we failed in past years was growing the players we had, particularly on D. And I've never seen a worse assembled crew of LBs in my life. It was also embarrassing watching defensive players run different plays on any given snap. No one was on the same page.
We're focused a lot on OC, but the defensive coaches absolutely have to develop our DL and DBs. There is talent there with Tomlinson, Lawrence, BJ Hill, Carter, X-Man, Baker, Beal, Ballentine, and Love.
Ok maybe I need another cup of coffee to wake up but I'm confused by your post as you seem to be saying two different things.
You say it's a talent problem and even BB couldn't come right in and win but then say no one was on the same page. Isn't that on coaching?
Then you go on to talk about the talent there is on D. How exactly is there a talent problem if there is talent?
Seems obvious to me it was coaching that couldn't get the most out of what talent they have.
Before we hired Judge and before McCarthy was hired by Dallas, I'd rather have Garrett as HC along with his coaching staff then have anything to do with McCarthy. Marinelli is damn good coach, Gruden was smart to bring him in as soon as he was available.
Mike McCarthy NOT calling the offensive plays will be odd. Â
Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
I haven't paid close enough attention to the other teams to know and I'm not trying yo be a jerk here but I don't see how you could've watched the Giants under Shurmur and his staff and not see coaching was a huge problem.
It might not have been their only problem but I think it's was most definitely their biggest. They never corrected mistakes or made adjustments to name just a couple of the coaching problems I saw.
Look, the Giants have a talent problem. Belichick wasn't going to come in here week 1 and win. Coaches help, but none of that matters until we get more talent.
Where we failed in past years was growing the players we had, particularly on D. And I've never seen a worse assembled crew of LBs in my life. It was also embarrassing watching defensive players run different plays on any given snap. No one was on the same page.
We're focused a lot on OC, but the defensive coaches absolutely have to develop our DL and DBs. There is talent there with Tomlinson, Lawrence, BJ Hill, Carter, X-Man, Baker, Beal, Ballentine, and Love.
Ok maybe I need another cup of coffee to wake up but I'm confused by your post as you seem to be saying two different things.
You say it's a talent problem and even BB couldn't come right in and win but then say no one was on the same page. Isn't that on coaching?
Then you go on to talk about the talent there is on D. How exactly is there a talent problem if there is talent?
Seems obvious to me it was coaching that couldn't get the most out of what talent they have.
Fair enough. Let me clarify. We still need EDGE guys, because none of the guys we have are going to be dominant pass rushers. X-Man has the most potential, and Carter can be a contributor, but we need more there.
But really, our LBs are an abject embarrassment. Even if Connelly comes back strong and builds on the nice couple games he had, our LBs are simply terrible. I'm hoping Beal, Baker, and Ballentine are the answer at DB, but we don't know yet.
RE: Mike McCarthy NOT calling the offensive plays will be odd. Â
Yes odd indeed, since he said in his interview with P King that this time around he would not only call the plays but do the complete install during the week, something he had gotten away from. Now it appears he was desperate to get another HC job, and was willing to bend to Jerry’s wishes.
Also, he almost broke down in that interview describing how much being a HC meant to him and his family AKA ego.
sleeping at the office, 7 day work weeks, etc, there has to be a serious need to want to coach, to be competitive.
That's my biggest concern with McCarthy, the rumors he put it on autopilot. If those are true, it is so friggin hard to come back and sustain that for a full season. I'm sure there is an initial rush but it must be a tremendous grind. Can McCarthy be that dedicated over the year? That would be my question with him.
Is going to hurt them badly. I think he managed to turn a bunch of disparate parts into a pretty effective defense.
Jones keeps tinkering w thst staff. They added Richard when Marinelli was among Chicken salad out of chicken shit. Not that Richard isn’t a good coach but Jones keeps messing w coaching and has for years.
Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
You’re condemning the giants, Dallas and the skins over ownership, but leaving out Philly? Ok you can kill the skins got snyder. Jones has his issues but Dallas has been far from bad. Philly gets my respect as they are the best team in this division, lately. They won a title 2 years ago. Well deserved praise, but their owner is clearly meddling.
Giants might be losing just because hired the wrong guys lately. Could be simple as that. Hopefully he hired the right guy in judge. If judge is the right guy, Mara won’t be an issue here and I think we all know that.
Mara hires the HC. I don’t think he does much else of anything. He’s clearly displayed a willingness to let the GM and HC do their thing. He’s granted them autonomy time and time again.
McCarthy actually doesn't look healthy to me.
Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
Funny I was just having this conversation with my friend two days ago. I mentioned how underwhelming Dallas' hires have been while they lost some good coaches in Marinelli, Richard, and Colombo.
I also said how disappointed I was that Washington has built a strong staff and I am genuinely concerned about Washington. Their defense has underachieved as SF did prior to this year. Once they add Chase Young we could see that defense take off under Del Rio.
I think the redskins definitely downgraded with their offensive line coach. Callahan was able to get the most out of the least. I don't know how anyone would be able to get more out of what he did.
Washington could be better, but I don't think it is because Rivera is there. Guice was not healthy this year, McClaurin missed time, and obviously Haskins is young. If those guys get healthy and develop, they should be better. And obviously they stand to get Chase Young, which won't hurt.
I was scared as heck that we would hire Rivera here because of his connection to Gettleman. That is a pitfall I think we avoided.
Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
I haven't paid close enough attention to the other teams to know and I'm not trying yo be a jerk here but I don't see how you could've watched the Giants under Shurmur and his staff and not see coaching was a huge problem.
It might not have been their only problem but I think it's was most definitely their biggest. They never corrected mistakes or made adjustments to name just a couple of the coaching problems I saw.
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With the Giants, Washington or Dallas.
Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
I haven't paid close enough attention to the other teams to know and I'm not trying yo be a jerk here but I don't see how you could've watched the Giants under Shurmur and his staff and not see coaching was a huge problem.
It might not have been their only problem but I think it's was most definitely their biggest. They never corrected mistakes or made adjustments to name just a couple of the coaching problems I saw.
Look, the Giants have a talent problem. Belichick wasn't going to come in here week 1 and win. Coaches help, but none of that matters until we get more talent.
Where we failed in past years was growing the players we had, particularly on D. And I've never seen a worse assembled crew of LBs in my life. It was also embarrassing watching defensive players run different plays on any given snap. No one was on the same page.
We're focused a lot on OC, but the defensive coaches absolutely have to develop our DL and DBs. There is talent there with Tomlinson, Lawrence, BJ Hill, Carter, X-Man, Baker, Beal, Ballentine, and Love.
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With the Giants, Washington or Dallas.
Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
I haven't paid close enough attention to the other teams to know and I'm not trying yo be a jerk here but I don't see how you could've watched the Giants under Shurmur and his staff and not see coaching was a huge problem.
It might not have been their only problem but I think it's was most definitely their biggest. They never corrected mistakes or made adjustments to name just a couple of the coaching problems I saw.
Look, the Giants have a talent problem. Belichick wasn't going to come in here week 1 and win. Coaches help, but none of that matters until we get more talent.
Where we failed in past years was growing the players we had, particularly on D. And I've never seen a worse assembled crew of LBs in my life. It was also embarrassing watching defensive players run different plays on any given snap. No one was on the same page.
We're focused a lot on OC, but the defensive coaches absolutely have to develop our DL and DBs. There is talent there with Tomlinson, Lawrence, BJ Hill, Carter, X-Man, Baker, Beal, Ballentine, and Love.
Ok maybe I need another cup of coffee to wake up but I'm confused by your post as you seem to be saying two different things.
You say it's a talent problem and even BB couldn't come right in and win but then say no one was on the same page. Isn't that on coaching?
Then you go on to talk about the talent there is on D. How exactly is there a talent problem if there is talent?
Seems obvious to me it was coaching that couldn't get the most out of what talent they have.
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I think the McCarthy era is a short one in Dallas
McCarthy actually doesn't look healthy to me.
+1 1st thing that came to mind seeing him at presser
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In comment 14784584 DavidinBMNY said:
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With the Giants, Washington or Dallas.
Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
I haven't paid close enough attention to the other teams to know and I'm not trying yo be a jerk here but I don't see how you could've watched the Giants under Shurmur and his staff and not see coaching was a huge problem.
It might not have been their only problem but I think it's was most definitely their biggest. They never corrected mistakes or made adjustments to name just a couple of the coaching problems I saw.
Look, the Giants have a talent problem. Belichick wasn't going to come in here week 1 and win. Coaches help, but none of that matters until we get more talent.
Where we failed in past years was growing the players we had, particularly on D. And I've never seen a worse assembled crew of LBs in my life. It was also embarrassing watching defensive players run different plays on any given snap. No one was on the same page.
We're focused a lot on OC, but the defensive coaches absolutely have to develop our DL and DBs. There is talent there with Tomlinson, Lawrence, BJ Hill, Carter, X-Man, Baker, Beal, Ballentine, and Love.
Ok maybe I need another cup of coffee to wake up but I'm confused by your post as you seem to be saying two different things.
You say it's a talent problem and even BB couldn't come right in and win but then say no one was on the same page. Isn't that on coaching?
Then you go on to talk about the talent there is on D. How exactly is there a talent problem if there is talent?
Seems obvious to me it was coaching that couldn't get the most out of what talent they have.
Fair enough. Let me clarify. We still need EDGE guys, because none of the guys we have are going to be dominant pass rushers. X-Man has the most potential, and Carter can be a contributor, but we need more there.
But really, our LBs are an abject embarrassment. Even if Connelly comes back strong and builds on the nice couple games he had, our LBs are simply terrible. I'm hoping Beal, Baker, and Ballentine are the answer at DB, but we don't know yet.
Dallas seems determined to make Kellen Moore a thing. Keep at it, Jerruh.
Also, he almost broke down in that interview describing how much being a HC meant to him and his family AKA ego.
In comment 14784661 Mr. Bungle said:
That's my biggest concern with McCarthy, the rumors he put it on autopilot. If those are true, it is so friggin hard to come back and sustain that for a full season. I'm sure there is an initial rush but it must be a tremendous grind. Can McCarthy be that dedicated over the year? That would be my question with him.
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I'm not really sure what McCarthy brings to the table other than his offensive philosophy and playbook.
Dallas seems determined to make Kellen Moore a thing. Keep at it, Jerruh.
Yup.
And if the season ended Week 6 last year, Moore would have been coach of the year. It's like Jerrah blocked out the rest of the season.
Jones keeps tinkering w thst staff. They added Richard when Marinelli was among Chicken salad out of chicken shit. Not that Richard isn’t a good coach but Jones keeps messing w coaching and has for years.
I was watching a Cowboys game last year and they showed Moore and my wife was like that guy has really bad “pig face.” I couldn’t stop laughing.
His year off “preparing” looks like it was at every fast food place imaginable.
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I think the McCarthy era is a short one in Dallas
McCarthy actually doesn't look healthy to me.
I was thinking that too. McCarthy looks old... like he aged a lot over the past year or two.
Giants ownership has a muddled power structure, and has a situation where Mara takes on more then he should.
Washington - Snyder is a meddling owner and the franchise has been poorly run. Let's pick Haskins even if the HC doesn't want him. Good idea.
Dallas - Jones is to controlling.
Definitely with the Giants there were issues with coordinaters trying to coordinate and be HC. Bad idea hard for anyone. And Bettcher was a poor choice as a DC that was a bad decision by the muddled power structure.
I just think the 3 teams problems are higher up the food chain and none of them resolved and none of them will resolve.
I
You’re condemning the giants, Dallas and the skins over ownership, but leaving out Philly? Ok you can kill the skins got snyder. Jones has his issues but Dallas has been far from bad. Philly gets my respect as they are the best team in this division, lately. They won a title 2 years ago. Well deserved praise, but their owner is clearly meddling.
Giants might be losing just because hired the wrong guys lately. Could be simple as that. Hopefully he hired the right guy in judge. If judge is the right guy, Mara won’t be an issue here and I think we all know that.
Mara hires the HC. I don’t think he does much else of anything. He’s clearly displayed a willingness to let the GM and HC do their thing. He’s granted them autonomy time and time again.