Defensive staff is still going to be decisive

on that.

Have to hope that one of the 3 defensive position coaches hired has NFL experience similar to Garrett.

In comment 14784638 YANKEE28 said:

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on that. Have to hope that one of the 3 defensive position coaches hired has NFL experience similar to Garrett.

I mean, that just is not going to happen. If we were going to get someone with a ton of experience, it would have been as a coordinator.

And guess what? I'm ok with that. Bettcher was an experienced DC and flopped terribly. Not to puppet Judge, but we need teachers, because we have a lot of young talent on the defensive side of the ball. Or at least young players. But X-Man, Carter, Tomlinson, BJ Hill, Lawrence, Beal, and Baker were all drafted with premium picks (Rounds 1-3).

What it takes. Apparently, JJ thinks so.

He was DC for a year with a defense where is best players were injured or ejected. Disappointing that Fitz didn’t want to play for him and moved on to the Steelers.

Gotta give the guy a chance.

Good lord...

In comment 14784638 YANKEE28 said:

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on that. Have to hope that one of the 3 defensive position coaches hired has NFL experience similar to Garrett.

Graham has been employed in the NFL nonstop since 2009 so it is not like he is completely inexperienced. Steve Wilks came up as a DB coach. Perhaps if Kevin Stefanski goes in a different direction (perhaps by hiring George Edwards), Freddie Kitchens might recommend Wilks to Judge.

If JJ wants to be a smash mouth, blue collar team he has to have a strong defense, led by strong coaches... I thought Roach was a good start and I’m disappointed he changed his mind. Hopefully there’s good stuff going on behind the scenes and they’ll fill in the gaps this week.

Would still like to see Kris Richard added to the defensive staff

I'm impressed with how the offensive staff is coming together. Let's wait and see who fills out the defensive staff.

between Bettcher's mess of complexity and Graham's more learnable and flexible system.

I can almost assure you that it will be better than what we've seen the last couple years. Hopefully, it's exponentially better.

I'd put it a different way. I'd say he grades out as an incomplete as a DC so far but with a few positive signs. If you watched the 'Fins final game against New England you saw an undermanned unit playing with good technique and playing hard. They had their ups and downs this season but imo overachieved their talent. he was groomed on defense by 'Lil Bill in new England and Banks thinks highly of him from his time here as well.

I grant you it isn't a 'great resume' as a DC to date but there are reasons to be optimistic about the hire.

The staff will play a big role and that's still a work in progress.

2016-2017: Defensive Line Coach, New York Giants
2014-2015: Linebackers Coach, New England Patriots
2012-2013: Defensive Line Coach, New England Patriots
2011: Linebackers Coach, New England Patriots
2010: Defensive Assistant Coach, New England Patriots
2009: Coaching Assistant, New England Patriots

6 years under BB

In comment 14784659 OBJRoyal said:

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Would still like to see Kris Richard added to the defensive staff

Would be a huge win if we could sign him up as "Defensive Pass Game Coordinator." Wonder if the ties to Garrett would help that. Jerome Henderson, another former Garrett assistant, has been linked with us for a DB coach job though.

In comment 14784667 Mr. Bungle said:

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between Bettcher's mess of complexity and Graham's more learnable and flexible system. I can almost assure you that it will be better than what we've seen the last couple years. Hopefully, it's exponentially better.

We felt assured that Bettcher was going to be better too. Going back to the last Super Bowl, we really haven't had top notch defensive coaches in a long time. Yes, most of it is talent, but our guys have looked like chickens running around with their heads cut off for a decade now.

….therefore I'd like to see him employ some positional coaches with a bit of the "dog" mentality in them. Would like to see Buckner or Pepper coach the D-Line and Pierce at LB.

very good position coaches to help him out. They need to add more defensive talent too. I don't know what the plan is if they can't add Ngakoue. They need some pass rushers in the worst way.

I’m still hoping for a guy like Richards to be added but I think equally as important is bringing in some veteran players for leadership. The two most experienced vets on defense last year, Ogletree and Bethea, were arguably the two worst players. Hard to lead when you Suck.

Pepper Johnson - DL coach
Brentson Buckner - DL coach
George Edwards - LB coach
Antonio Pierce - LB coach
Joey Porter - LB coach - how fucking cool would that be?
Marquand Manuel - DB coach
Kris Richard - DB coach
Jerome Henderson - DB coach
Jerry Gray - DB coach
Ray Horton - DB coach
Perry Fewell - DB coach - for shits and giggles :P

"seem soft"?

...with zero difference-makers?

In comment 14784701 Anakim said:

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Pepper Johnson - DL coach Brentson Buckner - DL coach George Edwards - LB coach Antonio Pierce - LB coach Joey Porter - LB coach - how fucking cool would that be? Marquand Manuel - DB coach Kris Richard - DB coach Jerome Henderson - DB coach Jerry Gray - DB coach Ray Horton - DB coach Perry Fewell - DB coach - for shits and giggles :P

If Kansas City loses tomorrow, what about their Cornerbacks coach, Sam Madison? Browns DC under Kitchens, Steve Wilks, also came up as a DB coach.

is still around the premises I see...I think he filled in
when Thomas McGaughey was going thru some health issues in the past year.
I didn't know they were going to keep him around though.

but Judge knows him from NE and the Giants FO knows him from his time here. That tells me there's more than a few people in the building confident he can do the job.

smart smart football player - one of underestimated factors in SB win.

they are weak at the LB position - that is where they need a major upgrade, including some young players stppeing up

In comment 14784708 bc4life said:

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"seem soft"?

not to speak for Emlen but there's a pretty weak interview of him up on Giants.com. OTOH there's also a mic'd up video of him during a game which shows a much stronger presence.

as well as stuff like clock and in-game management. But the defense is still likely to struggle. Especially early. Do we remember what Miami's defense looked like early last season? They gave up over 160 points through week 4 and while they settled in somewhat it was still pretty ugly most weeks.

AP back here as LB coach, worked for Herm out at
Arizona State the last couple of years (his alma mater).
Kris Richard should be someone to look at, I would think now.

The Dolphins defense was looking good, then they sold off players, I am not certain who was calling the shots either, it is a risk, but I am giving Judge the benefit of the doubt. Belechick liked him enough to have him on his staff too, he has enough experience and is still young, I have a good feeling about him. I did for Betcher also, but I trust Judge.

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give me

Antonio pierce
k richard


I think KR would be a HUGE get. first off, he and JG could really help against dallas' personnell. secondly and more importantly, he is good with DBs and we have a ton of young players!

Critical they get that right

He played under Judge and Graham and is currently a Defensive Assistant in Detroit with Patricia. Maybe he's ready to step up to Asst. Secondary Coach or something along those lines.

In comment 14784651 Optimus-NY said:

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Good lord...

Who cares? He’s an assistant. He’s not running STs. He does have a ton of experience and I think he’s been good with the kickers and punters, exception being last year with Rosas.

In comment 14784691 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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….therefore I'd like to see him employ some positional coaches with a bit of the "dog" mentality in them. Would like to see Buckner or Pepper coach the D-Line and Pierce at LB.

Graham's got some dog in him.
Graham Mic'd Up - ( New Window )

the one play that defines the absurdity of our defense was the game-winning TD by the Eagles in Philly when they were down to Zach Ertz and the Giants still left him wide open in the end zone. Giants defenders just stared at each other.

Yup, sounded like a totally different guy on the sidelines.

based on his knowledge . Hope for the best, Wish him well

No pun intended

They were assumed to be tanking and traded off their best guys, they had less then zero talent

The way I would look at it is he is a New England Assistant with DC experience and both Flores and Judge saw fit to make him their DC.

I don’t think he can be looked at as a guy who had a bad year at DC.

I also don’t read anything into Miami allowing Graham to walk, we have no idea what the arrangements there were.

Sure it would be nice to be pencilling in a Wade Phillips type at DC but that wouldn’t align with what Judge wants to establish here.

In comment 14784637 Big Blue '56 said:

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Quote: ]Assistant coaches Offensive coordinator — Jason Garrett Defensive coordinator/assistant head coach — Patrick Graham Special teams coordinator — Thomas McGaughey Offensive line — Running backs — Burton Burns Tight ends — Wide receivers — Tyke Tolbert Quarterbacks — Jerry Schuplinski Defensive line — Linebackers — Defensive backs — Special teams assistant — Tom Quinn

Tom quinn!! Yes!!

we are rebooting again. No one knows what will happen. It could suck all over again. First time HC, seriously. Just hope these owners do not pull a weasel move and use the options as transition coaches if things do not go well. So much wrong with this team at all levels, org, talent, coaching, winning.

In comment 14785103 mdc1 said:

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we are rebooting again. No one knows what will happen. It could suck all over again. First time HC, seriously. Just hope these owners do not pull a weasel move and use the options as transition coaches if things do not go well. So much wrong with this team at all levels, org, talent, coaching, winning.

We could hire a retread and suck. Nobody can say for sure. It is encouraging that those in the know outside of the organization have praised a number of Judge’s hires.

What do we know about Graham?

I now know a lot about Judge so I will definitely give him the benefit of doubt for now and root hard for Graham to succeed.

But, he will need several key men working with him to coordinate the shaping of a good defense. Here’s hoping for a few good men to rise up.

In comment 14784791 BleedBlue said:

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give me Antonio pierce k richard I think KR would be a HUGE get. first off, he and JG could really help against dallas' personnell. secondly and more importantly, he is good with DBs and we have a ton of young players!

On board with this...100%

I'm actually felling pretty good about the staff, but will reserve judgement until DL and other position slots are filled.