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It's strange...Eli is a forgotten man

ThreePoints : 1/18/2020 7:05 pm
I was watching the Giant's video, "The Most Underrated Playoff Win on the Giants Road to Super Bowl 42" about the Cowboys win, and Eli is there throwing darts to guys. A lot of good memories.

And it's strange to come here, and Eli Manning is just forgotten. We've all moved on. This is Daniel Jones's team now.

I'm not complaining, I just a bit sad and strange. You come to BBI and no one is talking about Eli's legacy or anything of the sort.

Eli Manning has been a great Giant, but this is the NFL. Times change. Players come, players go. Gotta look toward next year. Sadly, the first one without Eli in a long, long time.
Thereís literally a thread right above this about him  
Saquads26 : 1/18/2020 7:10 pm : link
And have been a few recently...
I don't think "forgotten" is the right word  
robbieballs2003 : 1/18/2020 7:10 pm : link
.
Do not know who made the call when Eli had his streak of starting QB  
TMS : 1/18/2020 7:17 pm : link
broken when he was healthy.. Could not believe that happened. Management should have stepped up. Mara is a phony punk for not doing that.
People get over the death of loved ones  
BestFeature : 1/18/2020 7:21 pm : link
I'm sure people can get over their favorite football player not playing for their team anymore.
We gave Eli a lot of love  
5BowlsSoon : 1/18/2020 7:24 pm : link
On his last game. What more do you want us to do? Obviously he is our PAST and most of us are getting excited about our FUTURE.
Wait until he retires.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2020 7:34 pm : link
That thread will go on for days. He is beloved by 99% of our franchise.
RE: Do not know who made the call when Eli had his streak of starting QB  
BlackLight : 1/18/2020 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14785022 TMS said:
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broken when he was healthy.. Could not believe that happened. Management should have stepped up. Mara is a phony punk for not doing that.


Mara's version of the story really didn't make sense at the time. First McAdoo proposes the split-time plan to Eli (who declines it). Then I guess McAdoo goes to Mara and tells him he's decided to bench Eli. Mara appears to sign off on this plan, but later said his hope was that he'd have time to go back and re-discuss with McAdoo before the decision was announced (wut?). Then the Geno-led Giants lose to Oakland. McAdoo and Reese are fired a day or two later.

Something about this version of events doesn't add up. What would make sense would be if McAdoo went ahead with benching Eli without Mara's approval. Then the firing makes sense, and Mara publicly takes on some share of the blame, since he's not going anywhere.
Forgotten??  
moze1021 : 1/18/2020 7:46 pm : link
Ehh..don't think so..

Yeah time to move on, but Eli is a legend. Legends are forever.

Looking forward to taking the trip to Canton for him.
weíve been on this march for a couple of years  
wigs in nyc : 1/18/2020 7:47 pm : link
even those who supported him as a starter throughout. I donít feel as if heís forgotten, but simply that weíve all had plenty of time to make our peace with this. And, for what itís worth, so has Eli. So I think itís wasy to feel as if this is all just the natural time- and if things donít feel out of place, if it all just feels right, thereís no reason to make a big to-do. I have a feeling Eli will continue to be present around this franchise for another few decades.
RE: RE: Do not know who made the call when Eli had his streak of starting QB  
Prude : 1/18/2020 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14785034 BlackLight said:
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broken when he was healthy.. Could not believe that happened. Management should have stepped up. Mara is a phony punk for not doing that.



Mara's version of the story really didn't make sense at the time. First McAdoo proposes the split-time plan to Eli (who declines it). Then I guess McAdoo goes to Mara and tells him he's decided to bench Eli. Mara appears to sign off on this plan, but later said his hope was that he'd have time to go back and re-discuss with McAdoo before the decision was announced (wut?). Then the Geno-led Giants lose to Oakland. McAdoo and Reese are fired a day or two later.

Something about this version of events doesn't add up. What would make sense would be if McAdoo went ahead with benching Eli without Mara's approval. Then the firing makes sense, and Mara publicly takes on some share of the blame, since he's not going anywhere.


To be blunt: Mara lies about his role in the decision making almost 100% of the time.
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christian : 1/18/2020 7:55 pm : link
His retirement will get a ton of coverage. Then his ring of honor, then the 10 anniversary of SB 46, then eventually his HOF induction.

He'll be on TV constantly like his brother and be there for every Giants event.

The season isn't even over. The NFL and the Giants don't want him to be the story right now.

We'll get bombarded with Manning in 2 weeks, don't worry.
I don't mean to sound smug,  
MBavaro : 1/18/2020 7:56 pm : link
but this is literally the nature of life in general.

The show goes on, and nothing else lasts forever.
I remember Tom Brady  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2020 7:59 pm : link
reflecting on that season he missed due to the knee injury. He said, ďthe trainers walked me off the field, the ref blew the whistle, and play resumed.Ē

NFL is pretty cold that way.
You donít forget arguably the second best player  
Big Blue '56 : 1/18/2020 8:14 pm : link
this franchise has ever had
RE: You donít forget arguably the second best player  
5BowlsSoon : 1/18/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14785054 Big Blue '56 said:
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this franchise has ever had


Wow, pretty big statement for a guy with a 50-50 record and very mediocre stats. But I will admit, his longevity is admirable. I think because played some many more years is perhaps why you believe he is the 2nd best Giant ever. Heís played a million years.....not many can compare with that. But playing many years does not make him great. He was mediocre for many of those years. But of course, he did give us two exciting playoff runs which does make him a player we will always remember, appreciate, and love.
Holy shit you are fucking clueless...  
JCin332 : 1/18/2020 8:40 pm : link
keep you face in the bong where it belongs...
I think  
PaulN : 1/18/2020 9:25 pm : link
The Eli Manning adoration lasted long enough, time for good football again,.
RE: RE: You donít forget arguably the second best player  
Saquads26 : 1/18/2020 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14785067 5BowlsSoon said:
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this franchise has ever had



Wow, pretty big statement for a guy with a 50-50 record and very mediocre stats. But I will admit, his longevity is admirable. I think because played some many more years is perhaps why you believe he is the 2nd best Giant ever. Heís played a million years.....not many can compare with that. But playing many years does not make him great. He was mediocre for many of those years. But of course, he did give us two exciting playoff runs which does make him a player we will always remember, appreciate, and love.


Thereís no way youíre a real person.
As someone who recently retired, it's just the way  
CT Charlie : 1/18/2020 9:33 pm : link
of the universe. No, he's not retired -- and he MIGHT have a second act -- but he has been retired from the Giants in the usual sense of being put out to pasture.

There's an old Arabic proverb that fits: The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
RE: RE: RE: You donít forget arguably the second best player  
5BowlsSoon : 1/18/2020 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14785106 Saquads26 said:
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In comment 14785054 Big Blue '56 said:


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this franchise has ever had



Wow, pretty big statement for a guy with a 50-50 record and very mediocre stats. But I will admit, his longevity is admirable. I think because played some many more years is perhaps why you believe he is the 2nd best Giant ever. Heís played a million years.....not many can compare with that. But playing many years does not make him great. He was mediocre for many of those years. But of course, he did give us two exciting playoff runs which does make him a player we will always remember, appreciate, and love.



Thereís no way youíre a real person.


Says the guy who changes names every 3 months.....
Just came on December 2019
What was your last name? And the one before that?
RE: Holy shit you are fucking clueless...  
Saquads26 : 1/18/2020 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14785075 JCin332 said:
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keep you face in the bong where it belongs...


Heís a troll I assume? No one is that dumb.
Eliís peak lasted about five years: late 2007 to mid-2012.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/18/2020 10:18 pm : link
Itís been over for a really long time.

At his best, Eli was very good, and occasionally great. He made a few of the most memorable throws in the history of the NFL, to Tyree, Manningham, and the underrated one to Bradshaw.

But then the air leaked out. Eli kept his job while going 41-65 in his last 106 starts, offering fewer reasons over time to hope he could still be the same QB, given a stronger supporting cast. He may not have been the problem, but he wasnít the solution either.

The Daniel Jones Giants probably wonít win two Super Bowls. They probably wonít win any. What Jones offers is hope, and a blank slate for fans to speculate. All Eli offers, at this point, is nostalgia and debates about seasons long over. He isnít forgotten. Heís just yesterdayís news... which means he isnít news at all.
Eli is pretty regularly praised and appreciated on this board  
Leg of Theismann : 1/18/2020 10:23 pm : link
for the great things he did for this franchise. Every few days I'm seeing a "your favorite Eli moment" thread or I'm seeing someone talk about how Giants ownership/management ruined the latter half of his career by not surrounding him with a better team. I'd say 95% of BBIers consider Eli their favorite Giant of all time (or 2nd favorite behind LT).

Other than all that what are we supposed to do? He's not on the team anymore and this fans are anxious to see some wins sometime soon after almost a decade of failure. We have the worst record of any team in the league the last 3 years.
It does feel strange, thinking about and rooting for a Giants team  
exiled : 1/18/2020 10:56 pm : link
that has absolutely nothing to do with Eli.
Yeah I certainly haven't forgotten Eli  
GiantSteps : 1/19/2020 12:44 am : link
As a matter of fact, my guess is that as most of the bad play fades from memory and the great plays and great games concretize themselves in the collective conscious of the fan base, and the nostalgia REALLY starts kicking in, Eli's legend and place in our hearts will only grow.

Sounds very Obi Wan Kenobi
Most overloved NY athlete ever  
Soundtrack : 1/19/2020 1:09 am : link
Guy had 5 good seasons and scored 17 and 23 points to win 2 SBs and Giants fans just won't shut up about him despite him barely having a. 500 record. Let it go.
I'm guessing that with many fans he isn't forgotten at all  
steve in ky : 1/19/2020 1:13 am : link
But what do you expect people to post about him? It is what it is and there has literally been no news about him.
Eli who  
WideRight : 1/19/2020 1:31 am : link
?
Not sure Giant fans will ever forget Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 1/19/2020 1:33 am : link
but maybe start a thread on him every week if you think itíll help.

I bet they will be popular...
RE: Do not know who made the call when Eli had his streak of starting QB  
Jesse B : 1/19/2020 6:27 am : link
In comment 14785022 TMS said:
[quote] broken when he was healthy.. Could not believe that happened. Management should have stepped up. Mara is a phony punk for not doing that. [/quote

Except at that point the offense hadn't scored 30 points In 2 full seasons and eli was clearly apart of the problem.
One of the most loved athletes ever  
Canton : 1/19/2020 6:49 am : link
Right there next to Derek Jeter. Gave us two of the most memorable Super Bowls in the history of the game against the best dynasty in league history. He will be forever beloved.
Eli was the quarterback for 16 seasons  
joeinpa : 1/19/2020 6:55 am : link
For his last 7 the team was pretty bad. If they had been winning and he stepped down there would have been a much different reaction to his leaving

Fans are tired of losing, most care more about the team than Eli. He is not going to get better at 39 years of age, fans were ready to move on. Pretty normal reaction if you ask me.
RE: Holy shit you are fucking clueless...  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/19/2020 7:46 am : link
In comment 14785075 JCin332 said:
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keep you face in the bong where it belongs...

Speaking of clueless...
It went  
greek13 : 1/19/2020 8:29 am : link
On too long - as the team struggled his weaknesses were exposed and
his place became polarizing to fans, ownership and coaches. Not his fault -
But not having that issue on the front burner is a good thing for this team.
RE: Eliís peak lasted about five years: late 2007 to mid-2012.  
Go Terps : 1/19/2020 8:50 am : link
In comment 14785142 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Itís been over for a really long time.

At his best, Eli was very good, and occasionally great. He made a few of the most memorable throws in the history of the NFL, to Tyree, Manningham, and the underrated one to Bradshaw.

But then the air leaked out. Eli kept his job while going 41-65 in his last 106 starts, offering fewer reasons over time to hope he could still be the same QB, given a stronger supporting cast. He may not have been the problem, but he wasnít the solution either.

The Daniel Jones Giants probably wonít win two Super Bowls. They probably wonít win any. What Jones offers is hope, and a blank slate for fans to speculate. All Eli offers, at this point, is nostalgia and debates about seasons long over. He isnít forgotten. Heís just yesterdayís news... which means he isnít news at all.


This is spot on. Everything after 2011 has been a nightmare, for both Eli and the Giants. I'm not sure there's a game worth remembering in the 8 years since the Super Bowl win.

8 years is a long time.
Eli is definitely not forgotten.  
bradshaw44 : 1/19/2020 8:51 am : link
Heís just not the center of the Giants universe (positive or negative) any longer. I think the thing that is bugging people is that the era is really over. It bugs me a bit because Iím 6 months older than Eli and he was the QB for my favorite team through the absolute prime of my life. And now that heís not playing any longer itís almost like I have to accept that no matter what, even if I was a great athlete, Iím passed my prime also. Itís life. Have to move on and hope DJ is the next best thing and he can help us focus on a new winning culture.
RE: Eliís peak lasted about five years: late 2007 to mid-2012.  
Sean : 1/19/2020 10:18 am : link
In comment 14785142 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Itís been over for a really long time.

At his best, Eli was very good, and occasionally great. He made a few of the most memorable throws in the history of the NFL, to Tyree, Manningham, and the underrated one to Bradshaw.

But then the air leaked out. Eli kept his job while going 41-65 in his last 106 starts, offering fewer reasons over time to hope he could still be the same QB, given a stronger supporting cast. He may not have been the problem, but he wasnít the solution either.

The Daniel Jones Giants probably wonít win two Super Bowls. They probably wonít win any. What Jones offers is hope, and a blank slate for fans to speculate. All Eli offers, at this point, is nostalgia and debates about seasons long over. He isnít forgotten. Heís just yesterdayís news... which means he isnít news at all.


Itís incredible that the team won 2 Super Bowls in a 5-year window. It really impacted decision making & I agree that was the window, 2007-2012. Eli had some nice statistical years in 14 & 15, but it was not the same.

Itís important to ask why when a franchise has been as bad as it has. This is the answer - 2 SBís in a 5 years made it easy to think there could be a third from 2013-2019, decision making proved this. The Saints have had a 14 year window with Brees and only have 1 title. The Packers have also had a 14 year window with Rodgers with only 1 title.

Itís why I think the Judge hiring represents a new direction.

Think ELI is going to make the Hall of fame and he will be very  
TMS : 1/19/2020 12:02 pm : link
happy with that result. The giant personnel selections hurt his career because Management would not make the changes that were called for.
Eli -  
GiantsUA : 1/19/2020 12:11 pm : link
The Tell is group activity, and as the storyteller speaks, the other members also partake in The Tell.

Tribesmen repeat certain phrases through whispers, and loudly chant others.

They also recite in a monotone manner (similar to Catholic Latin mass) the inscription that Walker left them.

Like Captain Walker, Captain Eli will be remembered thru the ages.
Think ELI was cost another potential SB because of the Plaxico  
TMS : 1/19/2020 12:15 pm : link
shit storm.
For the life of me  
montanagiant : 1/19/2020 12:21 pm : link
I have no idea how you can call yourself a Giants fan and sit on here and dog what he has accomplished.
RE: For the life of me  
Soundtrack : 1/19/2020 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14785531 montanagiant said:
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I have no idea how you can call yourself a Giants fan and sit on here and dog what he has accomplished.


A lot of losing, some longevity stats and two rings won primarily because of the defense?

The way our fan base talks about Eli you would think his resume looks like Roger's, Brees or even Rothlesberger.
RE: RE: For the life of me  
JCin332 : 1/19/2020 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14785549 Soundtrack said:
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I have no idea how you can call yourself a Giants fan and sit on here and dog what he has accomplished.



A lot of losing, some longevity stats and two rings won primarily because of the defense?

The way our fan base talks about Eli you would think his resume looks like Roger's, Brees or even Rothlesberger.


I'm guessing a Gatorade Dump dupe...
RE: RE: For the life of me  
montanagiant : 1/19/2020 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14785549 Soundtrack said:
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I have no idea how you can call yourself a Giants fan and sit on here and dog what he has accomplished.



A lot of losing, some longevity stats and two rings won primarily because of the defense?

The way our fan base talks about Eli you would think his resume looks like Roger's, Brees or even Rothlesberger.

Fuck off Dupe
Eli as a starter for this team  
giantsFC : 1/19/2020 2:35 pm : link
Has been over. I thunk we all want to see a successful fresh face leading way w the abilities of modern NFL QB play. Daniel Jo WS def has that potential so we are excited.

I personally will always love Eli Manning as much as Strahan, LT, Simms, Banks, Hampton, Jacobs, Carson, Pepper, Jumbo.

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