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nygiants16 : 1/18/2020 8:14 pm
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Look  
PaulN : 1/18/2020 9:21 pm : link
At the shit first round picks they have, total stupidity, keep filling the seats and see how much longer this takes, by now this place should be a ghost town, and if it were you would then see this end in a hurry, but its good to help support the millionairs and billionaire stealing your money and the opponents and talking heads laughing at you, great job.
So do A and B listers  
DCOrange : 1/18/2020 9:23 pm : link
They highlight it every game like it's a big deal and then show 4 D listers, 2 people you have never heard of and occasionally a couple real stars when it is one of the 5 "big" games.
How did even one person  
MookGiants : 1/18/2020 9:27 pm : link
in the knicks front office look at Bobby Portis this off-season and say yeah we have to sign that guy.

Worthless player
Someone finally hits a shot.  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2020 9:48 pm : link
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mitchell robinson still has no idea how to play basketball  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2020 9:50 pm : link
know who you are guarding man damn
Knicks up one with 30 seconds left.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/18/2020 9:51 pm : link
Go figure.
stupid fucks  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2020 9:52 pm : link
why is their 4 guys in the same fucking spot
harris touched the ball while out of bounds  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2020 9:53 pm : link
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Mitch  
GMEN46 : 1/18/2020 9:54 pm : link
Just lacks intelligence, stinks. I think knocks have been in probably 40 games like this over the past 3 years and I bet their record canít be better than 5 and 35
RE: Mitch  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2020 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14785129 GMEN46 said:
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Just lacks intelligence, stinks. I think knocks have been in probably 40 games like this over the past 3 years and I bet their record canít be better than 5 and 35


their collective iq is 0
Whole lotta stupid to end this game  
ChaChing : 1/18/2020 9:55 pm : link
but this was not a pretty one for either team

Knicks get a little credit for rarely quitting, but they are not smart ballers at all, even if you want to say any are particularly good (they're not)
morris has to want to be traded  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2020 9:58 pm : link
jist ask for a trade man, if you want to come back you can sign in offseason
11-32 record.  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2020 10:02 pm : link
More than halfway there at least.
Honestly i dont care how you get stars on the team  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2020 10:04 pm : link
trade for them, draft them, sign them, creat them in a lab, i really dont care but at all costs get a pairing and then add shooters..

Call every team and see who is available for trade..
Yeah that last possession sucked the spacing was horrible  
Stu11 : 1/18/2020 10:04 pm : link
Nice of the official to give Philly 6 or 7 seconds to inbound the ball before Harris hit the 3 though.
Itís crazy  
GMEN46 : 1/18/2020 10:15 pm : link
I have been suffering as knicks fan for 20 years, and every year I have been kind of ok with it. Thinking they will get a star in lottery or a few times thiught we would sign a big free agent so I didnít mind the losing. Itís really hitting me hard this year. I have finally realized after 3 major fails that no one is signing here in 2021 and this years collection of college players lacks and superstars. Dallas is way ahead of schedule so next years pick in a really strong top 5 lottery is going to be late teens at best. Dolan still hasnít fired mills or perry. Mills and perry continue to be asleep at the wheel. Why wouldnít the knicks make the trade rhat Portland just made with Sacramento. Itís only 2 2nd rounders, but still we keep sitting out in these no brainer traders ri collect assets and take on bad contracts. If knicks has a competent GM, there is no doubt after the trade deadline that portis, Morris, Bullock, Randle and Smith jr would all be traded and the knocks would have 2 lottery protected 1sts and a few other 2nds. But mills and perry are so incompetent that they will just sit on the sidelines because they think this team is still working out the kinks.

I really think I am at an all time low as a knicks fan. Even if they higher a competent GM, they are at minimum 3/4 more years from even being a 6-8 seed in the East. Itís depressing.
RE: Itís crazy  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2020 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14785141 GMEN46 said:
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I have been suffering as knicks fan for 20 years, and every year I have been kind of ok with it. Thinking they will get a star in lottery or a few times thiught we would sign a big free agent so I didnít mind the losing. Itís really hitting me hard this year. I have finally realized after 3 major fails that no one is signing here in 2021 and this years collection of college players lacks and superstars. Dallas is way ahead of schedule so next years pick in a really strong top 5 lottery is going to be late teens at best. Dolan still hasnít fired mills or perry. Mills and perry continue to be asleep at the wheel. Why wouldnít the knicks make the trade rhat Portland just made with Sacramento. Itís only 2 2nd rounders, but still we keep sitting out in these no brainer traders ri collect assets and take on bad contracts. If knicks has a competent GM, there is no doubt after the trade deadline that portis, Morris, Bullock, Randle and Smith jr would all be traded and the knocks would have 2 lottery protected 1sts and a few other 2nds. But mills and perry are so incompetent that they will just sit on the sidelines because they think this team is still working out the kinks.

I really think I am at an all time low as a knicks fan. Even if they higher a competent GM, they are at minimum 3/4 more years from even being a 6-8 seed in the East. Itís depressing.


i definitelt am, i see no light at the end of the tunnel, league is about stars and shooting and knicks have neither and no avenue right now to get 1
RE: Itís crazy  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2020 10:29 pm : link
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I really think I am at an all time low as a knicks fan. Even if they higher a competent GM, they are at minimum 3/4 more years from even being a 6-8 seed in the East. Itís depressing.

Iím feeling pretty hopeless, too. At this point, Knicks games are just something to watch on TV. Iím not into hockey or college basketball, so Iím stuck with this garbage. Feels like every team in the NBA except us has a competitive team or a team with some legit young pieces. RJ will work his ass off and grind out 18-20 points per game - beyond that the cupboard is empty.
Nets were better off adding to druss core  
bigschott : 1/18/2020 11:17 pm : link
But instead made a push for NY market by targeting Knicks FA targets. Kyrie and KD...

The first mistake by Marks who had been impeccable up to this point.

How much better would they been had they kept Druss and just signed Butler or Tobias Harris.

Could not agree more Gmen46  
PhilSimms15 : 1/18/2020 11:18 pm : link
Every year for the past 15, the Knicks seem to offer the promise and allure of a high draft pick and the dream of signing stars in free agency.

Reality has set in. Dolan is an awful owner. Mills is an awful President.
They have a G-league coach. And worse, they only have one player with future all-star hope in RJ (no slam dunk, needs to improve his shooting, but there is hope).

Robinson, Knox snd DSJ, all have taken a step back this season. Frankie Smokes is at best the eight man in an eight man rotation for a good team. And Portis, Payton, Ellington, Bullock are all the flotsam and jetsam of the league.

Mills is a solid player who should be traded for a pick.

Not only are the Knicks the worst team in the NBA, their future is very bleak.
How has Robinson taken a step back?  
Vanzetti : 1/19/2020 3:13 am : link
His PER is 14th in the league
Besides PER  
PhilSimms15 : 1/19/2020 8:31 am : link
Robinsonís rebounds are down from last year, blocked shots are down from last year, fouls are up from last year, assists are down and plus/minus is at a higher minus figure.

PER is very close. This year at 22.8, last year at 22.01.

There is no doubt he has taken a step back.
If he  
PaulN : 1/19/2020 9:37 am : link
Was good, he would play more, he stinks too.
He commits stupid fouls andnit cuts his minutes  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2020 9:45 am : link
I am at the point with mitch where if he gets traded i wont be mad and if he doesnt get traded i wont be mad..

if you can get a young all star guard for him in a package i would do it and not think twice
This is the most hopeless the Knicks have ever felt  
Oscar : 1/19/2020 10:18 am : link
Theyíve now had a few years of lottery picks and have nothing to show for it, Iím not sure anyone they drafted is good enough to even be the second option on a real contender. That includes Barrett obviously. Porzingis was but they gave him away for a bag of donuts.

Now theyíll have good pick again in what looks like a very down draft. Mills is still empowered, Dolan is still around. Itís bleak. But at least the fans and the city are used to it, nobody really expects anything of the Knicks.
Itís just ridiculous how badly the front office has screwed this up  
Mike in NJ : 1/19/2020 10:42 am : link
Phil Jackson got fired for considering trading Porzingis for what was rumored to be a return of Jaylen Brown and the right to draft Jayson Tatum (he probably wouldíve blown that and selected Josh Jackson), yet this front office is still here after getting basically nothing for KP. Smith Jr looks like heíll be in the G-league by the end of next year, and weíll be lucky if those Mavs picks end up being in the top 20.

Beyond that, the young pieces on this team are just so uninspiring. The fact that we have Frank Ntilikina and Kevin Knox when we could have had any of Donovan Mitchell, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Bam Adebayo, or Michael Porter Jr is sickening. Even just get one of those picks right and the whole outlook for this team is so drastically different.

Donít get me wrong, I like Barrett and do think he has All-Star potential, but how much better would we be feeling with Ja Morant? Even when the Knicks tank right they canít even get in position to get a true potential star. Id feel a lot better with RJ if he were here as a complimentary piece next to KP, Mitchell, SGA or any one of the guys that a good front office would have on this roster, but man is it discouraging when right now he is the ďonly hope.Ē

I really hope they get lucky in the upcoming draft. I know the class looks uninspiring right now, but it wouldnít be the first time a guy made a big leap in February and March and looked like a clear cut star. They really need Anthony Edwards to separate himself from the pack and be lucky enough to be in position to draft him, if not then just roll the dice on Wiseman. They need to hit a home run in this draft, not another double like Barrett.
I feel so bad for you guys  
arniefez : 1/19/2020 10:50 am : link
I don't know how you do it. It is literally unfathomable that Dolan has literally eliminated the Knicks from NY sports existence. No one watches the games, hardly anyone talks about them. They still sell tickets because the building is a tourist attraction but that's it.

95% of you have no idea what the early 70s were and most of you weren't even around for the early mid 90s.

The Knicks have been so meaningless for so long they've lost an entire generation and it's going to years if not decades before they'll ever matter again. Dolan will never sell. Maybe you young guys can wait him out.
The knicks suck  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2020 11:06 am : link
but they are not irrelevent, not even close, they are worth 5 billion dollars and probably the most popular franchise in the nba..

If talk radio starts talking knicks their phone lines light up..

When they are good they are the most popular franchise in new york, being as bad as they are they are probably 3rd and it is not even close..

The knicks are bad and have been for a long time but they are not irrelevent, not even close
I agree that the city comes alive when the Knicks are good, even  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/19/2020 11:11 am : link
more so than the Yanks, but there is no way they are one of the more popular franchises in the league.

Right now they are so bad that I basically don't watch any basketball anymore, not college or other teams in the NBA. There is no light at the end of the tunnel, why even waste my time? I mostly just check the box scores, cringe, and come here to complain.
RE: I agree that the city comes alive when the Knicks are good, even  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2020 11:13 am : link
In comment 14785454 Jim in Hoboken said:
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more so than the Yanks, but there is no way they are one of the more popular franchises in the league.

Right now they are so bad that I basically don't watch any basketball anymore, not college or other teams in the NBA. There is no light at the end of the tunnel, why even waste my time? I mostly just check the box scores, cringe, and come here to complain.


seriously? you dont think they are one of the most popular teams in the nba? they are worth 5 billion, how do you think they got that worth?
Just did a search. This is the top 10 teams by jersey sales.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/19/2020 11:16 am : link
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. Philadelphia 76ers
4. Toronto Raptors
5. Milwaukee Bucks
6. Golden State Warriors
7. Houston Rockets
8. Chicago Bulls
9. Miami Heat
10. Brooklyn Nets

Obviously not the end all be all measure of how popular a team is, but the Knicks are a laughingstock. Nobody outside of the NY does anything but laugh at us.
RE: Just did a search. This is the top 10 teams by jersey sales.  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2020 11:18 am : link
In comment 14785459 Jim in Hoboken said:
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1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. Philadelphia 76ers
4. Toronto Raptors
5. Milwaukee Bucks
6. Golden State Warriors
7. Houston Rockets
8. Chicago Bulls
9. Miami Heat
10. Brooklyn Nets

Obviously not the end all be all measure of how popular a team is, but the Knicks are a laughingstock. Nobody outside of the NY does anything but laugh at us.


everyone of those teams have stars, so that is why their jersey sales are higher..

again explain to me why the knicks are worth 5 billion if they are not popular and that doesnt inckude the arena or tv deal
Saw the Forbes list, all the big markets are at the top.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/19/2020 11:23 am : link
Being in NYC counts for something, but popularity world-wide probably doesn't contribute much.
RE: Saw the Forbes list, all the big markets are at the top.  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2020 11:25 am : link
In comment 14785471 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Being in NYC counts for something, but popularity world-wide probably doesn't contribute much.


agree to disagree man, i am sorry i dont know how anyone can think the Knicks are not one of the most popular franchises
Haha, doesn't matter. I honestly don't know where the next wave of  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/19/2020 11:33 am : link
fans after us diehards who grew up in the 90's watching Ewing-led Knicks is going to come from. NY is big and perhaps if you go by head count they may still have a sizable fan base, but being popular means you have to have more than just the diehards around the country, all over the world. Hell, I would be surprised if most of the young basketball fans in the city haven't already latched on to a non-NY team with more popular stars.

It's unforgivable what Dolan has done to the Knicks. At this point I don't even care. Maybe once Mills is gone I'll start to pay more attention.
Franchise values mean nothing in terms of popularity or relevance  
Mike in NJ : 1/19/2020 12:03 pm : link
The Clippers sold for $2 billion, which at that time was the 2nd highest selling price for a team in history (behind the Dodgers). You think that was because the Clippers were relevant or popular? Itís because they are in LA.

Need a more recent example? Look at what the Mets just sold for. The deal puts a valuation of $2.6 billion on them and nobody gives a shit about the Mets outside of this area. It has nothing to with relevance or popularity, because the Mets are neither, itís about being an available franchise in the #1 market in the country.

They may be valuable because they are the Knicks and they are in New York, but they absolutely are not relevant. If they were then Kyrie and Durant would be at MSG.
You think kyrie and durant  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2020 12:11 pm : link
went to brooklyn because the nets are more popular?
RE: You think kyrie and durant  
Mike in NJ : 1/19/2020 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14785513 nygiants16 said:
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went to brooklyn because the nets are more popular?


No but itís just evidence that nobody gives a shit about the Knicks. If they were this highly popular, relevant team like you are making them out to be they wouldnít be striking out on free agents every chance they get.
RE: RE: You think kyrie and durant  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14785532 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 14785513 nygiants16 said:


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went to brooklyn because the nets are more popular?



No but itís just evidence that nobody gives a shit about the Knicks. If they were this highly popular, relevant team like you are making them out to be they wouldnít be striking out on free agents every chance they get.


they strike out because they are garbage not because of popularity, the team is trash and i even said last year if they tank they will not sign anyone..

players dont sign with the knicks because they suck and the scrutiny for the knicks is hard..

I wouod argue their popularity is a big reason why they strike out, you fail in new york and you are ridiculed by everyone, you think kyroe and kd wanted that?

No one is going to sign with the knicks until they prove they are turning a corner
Before lebron  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2020 12:30 pm : link
who went to the lakers? Lakers are probably the most famous franchise in maybe all of sports, and when they were trash who signed with them? no one..

It has nothing to do with popularity, that thinking is the exact reason why the knicks have not signed anyone..

they thjnk because they are the knicks they can sign whoever they want, it diesnt work that way..
RE: Before lebron  
Mike in NJ : 1/19/2020 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14785546 nygiants16 said:
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who went to the lakers? Lakers are probably the most famous franchise in maybe all of sports, and when they were trash who signed with them? no one..

It has nothing to do with popularity, that thinking is the exact reason why the knicks have not signed anyone..

they thjnk because they are the knicks they can sign whoever they want, it diesnt work that way..


ďBefore LebronĒ? Thatís one hell of a qualifier.

No point in arguing with you over this. All you do is defend this team except during game threads where all you do is complain about how dumb all of the players are. We get it, nobody can criticize the Knicks except to point out how bad they are on game nights. All of the dysfunction is just our imagination, not like players are going on the radio and pointing out the same shit or saying things like the Knicks arenít cool.
RE: RE: Before lebron  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2020 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14785580 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 14785546 nygiants16 said:


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who went to the lakers? Lakers are probably the most famous franchise in maybe all of sports, and when they were trash who signed with them? no one..

It has nothing to do with popularity, that thinking is the exact reason why the knicks have not signed anyone..

they thjnk because they are the knicks they can sign whoever they want, it diesnt work that way..



ďBefore LebronĒ? Thatís one hell of a qualifier.

No point in arguing with you over this. All you do is defend this team except during game threads where all you do is complain about how dumb all of the players are. We get it, nobody can criticize the Knicks except to point out how bad they are on game nights. All of the dysfunction is just our imagination, not like players are going on the radio and pointing out the same shit or saying things like the Knicks arenít cool.


Oh i never rip the knicks? all i do is defend them?

all i said laat year was durant was not signing with the knicks, how is that defending them?

and how am i defending them? by saying they are popular is defending them?

they are run like trash and have trash players that is why players do not come, not popularity
players sign places because they want to win  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2020 1:15 pm : link
it has nothing to do with popularity, kyrie and durant wanted to be in new york, but the knicks were trash and the nets showed promise and made the playoffs, so they went there...

George and kawhi went to the clippers because they wanted to win together, it had nothing to do with if the clippers were popular or not...

Knicks  
jacob12 : 1/19/2020 2:32 pm : link
The Knicks shooting is their biggest problem. They shoot 3-pointers abysmally and are the worst foul shooting team in the NBA.
Knicks just canít pick a strategy and system and stick to it  
PhilSimms15 : 1/19/2020 3:00 pm : link
One year they are building with youth; one year its with vet; one year they say they understand this is a long term build and the fans have to have patience; the next season they fire the coach and want to try for the playoffs.

Once they struck out with Durant, they should have keep their powder dry and used their space to absorb contracts for picks or young players.

Now, if you tuned in last night, you saw times when it was Randle, Morris, Gibson, Payton and Bullock. Average age = 28.

Their leadership is weak and they swing from one plan to another.
The front office has done the easy part...  
Jan in DC : 1/19/2020 3:45 pm : link
not trading picks, getting cap room. This is the part that takes smarts and an eye for talent to mold a team and woo free agents. Now is the time to replace the front office with someone at least approaching competent above the bare minimum.
Knicks lose by one shot  
LS : 1/19/2020 10:12 pm : link
but reading this thread, you would have thought that the bunch of moronic, mouth breathers had been beat by 60. Game threads suck. Or is it the posters?
That laker comment is pretty off  
bhill410 : 1/20/2020 5:32 am : link
Unless you forget the laundry list of stars they have gotten over the years because they are the lakers. They just havenít always needed too since they may have had a stacked team already.
RE: That laker comment is pretty off  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2020 7:40 am : link
In comment 14786508 bhill410 said:
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Unless you forget the laundry list of stars they have gotten over the years because they are the lakers. They just havenít always needed too since they may have had a stacked team already.


when they were garbage before lebron got there and no one would even give them a sniff..

Lamarcus Aldridge laughed at them because their presentation was so bad..

They were so bad when lebron signed there everyone said he ni longer cared about winning and signed there because of his production company
RE: The front office has done the easy part...  
TyreeHelmet : 1/20/2020 10:36 am : link
In comment 14785777 Jan in DC said:
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not trading picks, getting cap room. This is the part that takes smarts and an eye for talent to mold a team and woo free agents. Now is the time to replace the front office with someone at least approaching competent above the bare minimum.


Exactly. It always cracked me up when people defend mills or Perry by pointing out that they havenít traded any future 1sts and have cap flexible. And not mentioning they havenít brought in any good players and traded their all star to create that cap space.... But congrats they signed a bunch of shitty players to short term contracts.
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