""When he arrives at the open window, and while Chloe is on the floor, Mr. Anello leans his upper-torso over the wooden railing and out of the window frame for approximately eight seconds," reads the motion to dismiss, which was filed on January 8. "Because Mr. Anello had himself leaned out the window, he was well aware that the window was open.""
This is a follow up to the original thread, showing the grandfather actually leaning through the open window, before picking his granddaughter up.
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I was on that very ship years ago. I remember that open window and it was very obvious that it was open especially if there is any wind. Since this happened I have been shocked that this guy claimed he didn't realize it wasn't open. The rest of the windows are tinted too which makes it stand out more.
You're right which makes this that much more disturbing. He appears to not place her on the railing at all.
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I don't know how he can live with himself.
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Seriously if what we see in that video is actually what happened and not what he said at the time, I'd have checked out that very day. Probably even followed her out the window.
I have two grown kids and a new grand daughter and there's no way I could live with myself after that. A tragic accident would be hard enough to live with if I was watching her but my own stupidity and negligence causing her death? No friggin way.
Cannot imagine that he would dangle a child out of a window 11 stories up..
Cannot imagine that he would dangle a child out of a window 11 stories up..
It is very tragic and I personally wouldn't be able to live with this if I was in his shoes. Nobody wants to be held accountable for their own mistakes anymore. The grandfather still claims he didn't know the window was open yet he held the baby there for 34 seconds!
It is why the UK system is better. Lawyer gets fined for frivolous filings. No fishing expeditions. You either have a legitimate case to be brought before the court or it is passed on.
2) At this point, he's lucky those interviews weren't deposition or in a courtroom because then he would have perjury tacked on.
3) The family was so aggressive with this, I think Royal Caribbean would have a decent counter suit.
Sending the guy to jail is a little much. If he wanted to drop the kid on he’s a monster and needs to be removed from society ASAP, but this sounds like it was an accident. The guy is likely ruined for life and was trying to deflect the blame. Is this guy really in need of prison time?
That was shameful. It was like an infomercial for the legal fund of the family.
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I don't know how he can live with himself.
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Seriously if what we see in that video is actually what happened and not what he said at the time, I'd have checked out that very day. Probably even followed her out the window.
I have two grown kids and a new grand daughter and there's no way I could live with myself after that. A tragic accident would be hard enough to live with if I was watching her but my own stupidity and negligence causing her death? No friggin way.
This is my thoughts too. What bothers me more than anything is that he’s now double downed on his story. The whole thing is terrifying and fucked up. I just have a hard time punishing that family anymore than they are. I doubt Sending the guy to prison helps matters, but man the guy really really fucked up. Just don’t know how you can be so careless.
Accuracy and accountability in journalism? Surely you jest.
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There are camera everywhere on a ship like that. The grandfather should go to jail. I hope the parents were lied to as well considering they were on national tv before there daughter was buried.
Sending the guy to jail is a little much. If he wanted to drop the kid on he’s a monster and needs to be removed from society ASAP, but this sounds like it was an accident. The guy is likely ruined for life and was trying to deflect the blame. Is this guy really in need of prison time?
Absolutely, hes directly responsible for a death of a child, and guilty of perjury, many people have seen jail time over traffic accidents that they are horrified by yet aren’t absolved of responsibility
They really have nobody but themselves to blame. They suffered a tragedy and instead of absorbing it, they tried to get money out of it, not through a legitimate claim - but through a lie or lies.
IF his version are shown to be a complete lie, I would say his actions, including attempts to use media outlets to spread misinformation, should counter any 'he's suffered enough' sentimentality.
I find it very hard to work up any sympathy for the guy. It looks like he did a very stupid thing that cost a child her life, and then is trying to cover his ass and blaming the cruise line.
They obviously thought their act would win over the court of public opinion enough to make Royal Caribbean settle. Now that it clearly backfired, they are going to continue the charade?
IF his version are shown to be a complete lie, I would say his actions, including attempts to use media outlets to spread misinformation, should counter any 'he's suffered enough' sentimentality.
I find it very hard to work up any sympathy for the guy. It looks like he did a very stupid thing that cost a child her life, and then is trying to cover his ass and blaming the cruise line.
That's absolutely crazy.
That's absolutely crazy.
I actually entertained that idea for a nano-second(well maybe a bit more). As sick as this is, did that child have a horrific disease? Did/does he have a drinking problem?
But holy shit, hold her out there 34 seconds - a squirmy little kid.
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horrific thing in this case is that there is a possibility that the Grandfather intentionally dropped the child to death.
That's absolutely crazy.
I actually entertained that idea for a nano-second(well maybe a bit more). As sick as this is, did that child have a horrific disease? Did/does he have a drinking problem?
But holy shit, hold her out there 34 seconds - a squirmy little kid.
I don't see that as out of the realm of realistic possibilities.
What the hell????? These are "deceptive views"????
What the hell????? These are "deceptive views"????
Two lies there:
1.) RCCL did not implement industry safety standards - actually I'd bet they were exceeded. Standards are not that impressive.
2.) Two deceptive views from CCTV.
Ok, then, So did RCCL alter the images? Was it trick photography? That wasn't him and the baby?
Lawyer - in for a penny, in for a pound. Still hoping for a settlement and dropping of charges.
If he wanted to be rid of the kid, wait til they're out to sea and drop her over the rail when no one is around. There were a lot of potential witnesses at the window scene.
He claims to be colorblind, and is using that as an excuse. I'm no expert, but I thought colorblind folk see shades, but just can't identify them. To me, he should still be able to see if a tinted window is open or not. Or, after a lifetime of coping, should realize that if he has difficulties in that department he needs to adapt to that by taking extra precautions, like actually touching the pane to ensure it is closed.
If he wanted to be rid of the kid, wait til they're out to sea and drop her over the rail when no one is around. There were a lot of potential witnesses at the window scene.
He claims to be colorblind, and is using that as an excuse. I'm no expert, but I thought colorblind folk see shades, but just can't identify them. To me, he should still be able to see if a tinted window is open or not. Or, after a lifetime of coping, should realize that if he has difficulties in that department he needs to adapt to that by taking extra precautions, like actually touching the pane to ensure it is closed.
It is a horrific thought(intentional murder), but there are weird people in the world. Unfortunately it is one possibility, although infinitesimal at best. And your point of at sea is good, but there will still be passengers all around.
The color blind thing is out the window(sorry), he was leaning out the window himself before picking the kid up. So whether he could see shades of blue or not is irrelevant as he knew the window was open since he had just leaned out of it and held the baby out over the side.
If he wanted to be rid of the kid, wait til they're out to sea and drop her over the rail when no one is around. There were a lot of potential witnesses at the window scene.
He claims to be colorblind, and is using that as an excuse. I'm no expert, but I thought colorblind folk see shades, but just can't identify them. To me, he should still be able to see if a tinted window is open or not. Or, after a lifetime of coping, should realize that if he has difficulties in that department he needs to adapt to that by taking extra precautions, like actually touching the pane to ensure it is closed.
The only reason I brought that possibility up is because of the ridiculous stories that the family floated. After seeing the guy stick his head out the window before holding the girl up, that sort of blows out of the water the idea that he was colorblind and thought the window was closed or that he was holding her up to bang on the glass like at hockey games. I always thought that angle was a ridiculous one anyway. It isn't a hockey game, so who would she be banging on the glass to see??
The worst thing about this situation is that you naturally have people painting royal Caribbean as some gigantic corporation who makes a ton of money, so they should pay out any claim. You even had people saying right after this happened that Royal Caribbean has a duty to keep their passengers safe - even if the Grandfather was negligent.
All that showed me was that people really have abdicated the idea of personal responsibility, especially when arguing the concepts of tinted windows, color blindness and the parameters of a children's play area.
Take that deal. Far too much risk in going to court.
But, it appears he and the family are digging in their heals. 3 possibilities:
-he truly thought the window was closed. (I think a case still is there for negligence)
-he is unwilling to admit he knowingly made a mistake and, having spouted the lie so much, so publicly, would rather risk a trial than swallow his pride.
-is holding out for a pay day, and a plea negates that.
Running a real risk of getting nothing and spending time in jail. It's too public for the cruise line to settle a nuisance suit, and no evidence (known to public) which would cause charges to be dismissed.
I believe, from this view that was part of a news story last year, there is no doubt he had to know the window was open based on how he leaned out. Either that or he was blind drunk.
Going for a money grab seems like a really poor choice
You would not have to do anything. I doubt you or anyone else here on BBI would hang their 18 month old granddaughter out a window 11 stories high, no matter how spectacular the view. In fact it gives me the creep just thinking about holding a kid anywhere near an open window that high.
It's sad, but for unscrupulous people, that is not an unreasonable plan nor one with zero chance of paying off. Juries sometimes like to way emotion over evidence.
I think he held the girl up to show her the view and shit happened. he immediately went with the closed window story to cover up his stupidity. He may even be sticking to that story with his family rather than admit he was at fault for killing their child, and they would rather believe it instead of accepting that Grandpa acted negligently.
It's sad, but for unscrupulous people, that is not an unreasonable plan nor one with zero chance of paying off. Juries sometimes like to way emotion over evidence.
Anything else is a mockery and a waste of the judicial system's time