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NFT: WWI Military Ordinance

gidiefor : Mod : 1/19/2020 9:28 am
I know there are some military aficionados here on BBI, and I am in need of some direction on an issue I've been researching.

What is the legality involved in inheriting a collection of WWI military ordinance and machine gun?
a lot depends on if they have  
Giantsfan79 : 1/19/2020 9:32 am : link
been decomissioned or are still able to fire.
The only thing I can find  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/19/2020 10:25 am : link
that may cover it is the 1933 National Firearms act and then there's State Law
Firing pin needs to be removed? possibly?  
GiantsUA : 1/19/2020 10:28 am : link
My father used to hunt in the Adirondacks.

A guy who had a cabin in the area had purchased a water cooled Browning 1917 Machine Gun off the street in NYC - 1920's.

The guy is long deceased but I believe his family still has the machine gun as well as other artifacts.

It is legal to own the Machine Gun  
montanagiant : 1/19/2020 10:35 am : link
Since it was manufactured prior to 1986. You do have to register it though and agree that the Govt can do searches
Montana. Do you have a reference  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/19/2020 11:12 am : link
for that?
My dad came home with several German WWII Lugers ...  
Spider56 : 1/19/2020 11:13 am : link
My uncle, who was a cop convinced him to get them registered with the NYPD ... they were confiscated and he never saw them again ... draw your own conclusions on what to do.
Some depends on your state  
jtfuoco : 1/19/2020 11:22 am : link
Forget it if you live in NY or CA but for the machineguns it will require NFA approval I think its either the form 1 or 3 its been a while since I messed with it and removing the firing pin wont be sufficient. I know the rock island auction company does help with Transfer and will hold on to the items until the file is complete it will take a while 6 months or more.
Spider - where did you father serve?  
GiantsUA : 1/19/2020 11:52 am : link
My father was a city cop and he tells a story about a call he went on.

During the late 1960's he went on call, the mother had called about a machine gun that he son mailed home from Vietnam.

Cops took that as well.
RE: Firing pin needs to be removed? possibly?  
JINTin Adirondacks : 1/19/2020 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14785410 GiantsUA said:
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My father used to hunt in the Adirondacks.

A guy who had a cabin in the area had purchased a water cooled Browning 1917 Machine Gun off the street in NYC - 1920's.

The guy is long deceased but I believe his family still has the machine gun as well as other artifacts.

Everyone in the Adirondacks owns a Browning water cooled ..pffft :)
I use to  
prh : 1/19/2020 12:31 pm : link
However I upgraded to an M-61 Vulcan
RE: Spider - where did you father serve?  
Spider56 : 1/19/2020 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14785496 GiantsUA said:
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My father was a city cop and he tells a story about a call he went on.

During the late 1960's he went on call, the mother had called about a machine gun that he son mailed home from Vietnam.

Cops took that as well.


My dad was a 1st Sgt in the 80th inf division, Patton’s 3rd army ... he was WIA outside Bastogne on Christmas Day in 1944 ... my uncle was a Nassau Cty detective and I think we lost the guns in the mid to late 50s.
Did your dad talk about his experiences in the war?  
GiantsUA : 1/19/2020 1:53 pm : link
Did he write down anything.
RE: Montana. Do you have a reference  
montanagiant : 1/19/2020 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14785455 gidiefor said:
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for that?

Yeah, it's the link below. As long as it was made prior to 1986 you don't have to remove the firing pin or any other part (depending on your state)
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Full-auto machine guns fit into a certain class of firearms called National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) firearms. These NFA firearms have extra regulations and controls. For example, unlike with “standard” firearms, NFA firearms (such as machine guns, silencers, etc.) are registered with the federal government and tracked from lawful owner to lawful owner – permission must be obtained prior to the transfer of these types of firearms and the ATF keeps a log of all currently registered NFA firearms.
Sorry  
montanagiant : 1/19/2020 2:10 pm : link
Forgot the link
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Can’t speak on the ordinance  
PersonalFoul : 1/19/2020 2:12 pm : link
But a machine gun is covered under the National Firearms Act. If the machine gun was not previously registered, it would have to be abandoned under federal law. If it was previously registered, you may be able to arrange a transfer at a Federal Firearms Licensee (Gun Shop). There are also state laws to consider, depending on where you live.
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Thank you Personal Foul  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/19/2020 3:07 pm : link
That was on point and extremely useful
First it's ordnance  
rebel yell : 1/19/2020 6:13 pm : link
not ordinance. Second, I would NEVER tell the government, state or local authorities about it. It was officially inherited and now it's yours. Why do they need to know? They'll just make your life a living hell with endless paperwork, or worse, they'll confiscate it and you'll never see it again.
Not surprised at all  
PersonalFoul : 1/19/2020 7:06 pm : link
That a guy with the handle “rebel yell” is advising you to violate federal law and keep possession of an unregistered machine gun, haha.

He’s right though. If you report it, you will likely have to abandon it to ATF agents or an FFL.
RE: Not surprised at all  
rebel yell : 1/19/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14786061 PersonalFoul said:
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That a guy with the handle “rebel yell” is advising you to violate federal law and keep possession of an unregistered machine gun, haha.

He’s right though. If you report it, you will likely have to abandon it to ATF agents or an FFL.

Funny thing is, I'm from upstate NY. I chose Rebel Yell cuz' Eli went to Ole Miss (Rebels, get it?). I was being a bit facetious with my response, but after having served 36 years active duty in he Navy, I learned early on never to trust the government. "Hey, take this seven series Antrax shot"...I promise it won't hurt you.
Haha!  
PersonalFoul : 1/19/2020 7:56 pm : link
That’s a sound reason for both your handle and your opinion! Thanks for your career of service!
RE: Haha!  
rebel yell : 1/19/2020 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14786183 PersonalFoul said:
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That’s a sound reason for both your handle and your opinion! Thanks for your career of service!

Thanks, brother. It was truly an honor to serve our country. As much as I criticize the government, I love this country. I just retired this July and am still trying to figure out "retired" life, but it sure is great so far.
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