I think it's under-appreciated that the hires of Garrett and Schuplinski--their agreement and willingness to sign on with a floundering franchise--represent a pretty damn strong validation of DJ's potential, that he is a player they can build around. Garrett didn't have to jump to NYG as OC, an immediate step down from HC Dallas Cowboys. He could have sat out a year, or waited longer this offseason, to see what might materialize. Instead, he jumped to NYG in a matter of days after his contract expired.
Schuplinski: Garoppolo, Brissett, and Fitz sang his praises. He chose to become QB coach of a re-building NYG team instead of remaining with a similarly re-building Miami team with a slew of high picks in 2020 draft and an up and coming HC in Flores. Miami can position itself to have the pick of the QB litter in 2020. Yet Schuplinski elected to come here.
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I actually found Fitzpatrick's endorsement more meaningful than Marino's.
Fitz is one of the smartest guys in the game based on his Wonderlic
He is also a very experienced qb who has played for a lot of teams and coaches so he should know a good coach when he sees one. |
With our OL in shambles, why hitch your horse to a team with a slew of questions and doubts on the offensive side of the ball? Schuplinski is a guy on the rise and a massive fail here would derail that career path. Garrett might want to re-position himself as HC down the road. Same consideration as for the QB coach.
One could also make an argument for JJ's decision to take the HC job, but that's a stretch, because the jump from ST Coordinator to HC NYG in and of itself is enough. Still, there were no bright young HC candidates vying for NYG job in 2018.
Is it possible that they MAY be able to use their picks to trade up to the #1 overall spot? Yes it's possible, but I don't think it's too likely.
Burrow is from Ohio and Cincy needs both a QB and a big-name draw. I sincerely doubt that they trade the #1 overall pick, regardless of what another team offers.
So Schuplinski was actually giving up the slim possiblity that he could work with Burrow and a better than even chance that he could work with Tua for the "bird in the hand" of Daniel Jones.
That said, I do not think either one would have taken the job if they thought Jones was a bust
But to respond to your fair point, sure, there are significant positives associated with NYG franchise. But my point re Garrett and Schuplinski remains valid, I urge, because their careers are on the line, and association with a continued downward spiral even with an iconic franchise could leave them dead in the water, to the downside. One only has to look at the departures this season.
They are calculating their individual career arc here.
Is it possible that they MAY be able to use their picks to trade up to the #1 overall spot? Yes it's possible, but I don't think it's too likely......
So Schuplinski was actually giving up the slim possiblity that he could work with Burrow and a better than even chance that he could work with Tua for the "bird in the hand" of Daniel Jones.
But, from draft day 2019 through much of this season, how much more glitter was generally sprinkled on Tua (injuries play a part) than the laugh-worthy selection by NYG at #6. Again, a calculus has been made, and it's definitely not a thumbs up for our OL.
Still another factor, how often on BBI we forgave Eli some bummer games and seasons because of this Eli. And for sure Jones needs to learn better ball security and pocket awareness, but he survived and put up some pretty darn good numbers in spite of routine jail breaks.
As much as PS helped his development, I think he hampered it with his inability to create OL blocking schemes, different sets, and a more imaginative set of play calls. The refusal to move on early from EE as TE has just been colossal stupidity, imo.
O line
WR
Free agency money on defense
There’s to many youngsters on defense as is. Need veteran leadership
2 LBS. Schobert and Blake
Edge Rusher. Yannick or Judon or both Resign Williams
Safety. Byron Jones Free safety
O line
WR
Free agency money on defense
There’s to many youngsters on defense as is. Need veteran leadership
2 LBS. Schobert and Blake
Edge Rusher. Yannick or Judon or both Resign Williams
Safety. Byron Jones Free safety
Generally agree GOAT, It would also be nice to get an experienced Center in FA to hold things together. I would like to see us land two of the top six OTs in the draft.
And just how JG revamps or tweaks PS's schemes will be interesting to watch.
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His contract with Dallas ended. Usually head coaches are not allowed to go into a contract year being extended instead. Most head coaches when fired will still be paid for a year or more on their existing contract. This is not true for Garrett.
jeff, he's had ~12 years w/ Boys. He could easily afford to sit for a year, I'm guessing, and wait for something more attractive. btw, what is the term of his contract as OC?
You don’t know what his finances look like. Maybe he felt he needed the income and the work. But the point is that he is being given an opportunity to call plays, rebuild an offense and develop a QB without anyone meddling. Unlikely that JJ will interfere with what he wants to do. If he accomplishes that, he gets the credit which strengthens his credentials as more than a lackey doing Jerry Jones bidding.
This is my biggest reservation about the GM and what may be the biggest, early, impact of Garrett, in making smart choices to enhance, not undermine, DJ's ability to compete. 3 big holes and an entirely incomprehensible, indefensible, dug-in commitment to Halapio (I did a thread on this inexplicable resort to Pio as default C last year, when most were content to say, "The coaching staff likes him"). Let Garrett and Judge have the laboring oar here. At the very least, let us not be wrong the same way it's been two years running with this group and 9-10 years overall.
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Draft should be spent on offense
O line
WR
Free agency money on defense
There’s to many youngsters on defense as is. Need veteran leadership
2 LBS. Schobert and Blake
Edge Rusher. Yannick or Judon or both Resign Williams
Safety. Byron Jones Free safety
Generally agree GOAT, It would also be nice to get an experienced Center in FA to hold things together. I would like to see us land two of the top six OTs in the draft.
Tristan Wirfs. Mekhi Becton
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In comment 14785567 Earl the goat said:
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Draft should be spent on offense
O line
WR
Free agency money on defense
There’s to many youngsters on defense as is. Need veteran leadership
2 LBS. Schobert and Blake
Edge Rusher. Yannick or Judon or both Resign Williams
Safety. Byron Jones Free safety
Generally agree GOAT, It would also be nice to get an experienced Center in FA to hold things together. I would like to see us land two of the top six OTs in the draft.
Tristan Wirfs. Mekhi Becton
I would be attempting cartwheels and end up watching the games from a hospital bed.
Still another factor, how often on BBI we forgave Eli some bummer games and seasons because of this Eli. And for sure Jones needs to learn better ball security and pocket awareness, but he survived and put up some pretty darn good numbers in spite of routine jail breaks.
As much as PS helped his development, I think he hampered it with his inability to create OL blocking schemes, different sets, and a more imaginative set of play calls. The refusal to move on early from EE as TE has just been colossal stupidity, imo.
Pocket awareness is difficult to teach at the professional level. Jones will get better but I think it will always be a bit of a weakness. Eli had it from day one. That’s why Jones has already missed more games to injury than Eli did in his entire career.
FWIW, this is where I think Garrett can be a big influence. I'm sure DG talks to JJ, Graham and Garrett about FAs. With that much time, Garrett's opinion of FAs will be important. Dallas always seemed to do well in FA.
Garrett is a very good OC and should improve this O because he uses his talent well. But being a good OC does not automatically make someone a good head coach.
As for this team, we need to go into the draft with a complete team. So in FA DG has to plug a lot of holes so we can draft more BPA than need. In FA we need to sign a tackle. That would at least be an upgrade which shouldn't be difficult and a C on O. On D we need to sign at least 1 top ER, Golden is not good enough. We need a LB and a slot CB and a FS. See what you get in the draft and then pick up some players in FA after the draft.
I know coaches get a lot of money, and definitely can afford to sit out a year (and much more), but by doing so they lose a full year's salary, which is still a lot regardless of how much money they've made in the past. Keep in mind Garrett, unlike most coaches who are "let go", wasnt "fired", his contract ran out, which means he wasnt getting paid the remainder of the contract. Also, its definitely a better to stay active within the coaching community, than sit out. When the Giants signed him, there werent many openings left (Jerry Jones dragged the process out).
As far as Schuplinski, the QB situation in Miami is unclear. While they still pick high, they're not likely high enough to draft a top prospect (Burrow is most likely gone unless they pull a massive trade up, & Tua may still be a question mark with the injury). Not to mention he was an Asst. QB coach in Miami, & the Giants offered him a promotion to QB Coach, with no uncertainty at QB.
I'm not saying they don't like DJ, but coming to the conclusion that its "a pretty damn strong validation of DJ's potential" is probably over optimistic, IMO.
Like to be a fly on the wall in those discussions between JJ and Garrett, and DG's take.
Glory Dayz: your points are fair, it's never 100% b&w, and there are always countervailing considerations. But given options, and the risks at taking NYG jobs (how long will the GM that signed him/them be in power; a roster significantly bereft of talent; an OL that blows; and a floundering franchise for many years now), you had to have had positive reasons for taking the job, aside from the iconic franchise name. I think Jones is a significant factor in those decisions.