Yes I am. Like I said for the start of this thread there is more than one way to get it done in the NFL.
I also think you said that one way, the old school way, is dead. That is not what I’m seeing as I watch the Chiefs stop the run and watch the 9ers dominate in a very old school way.
Yes I am. Like I said for the start of this thread there is more than one way to get it done in the NFL.
I also think you said that one way, the old school way, is dead. That is not what I’m seeing as I watch the Chiefs stop the run and watch the 9ers dominate in a very old school way.
Mahomes won that game because he's a special QB, possibly headed for the Hall of Fame if he doesn't get hurt with his talent...running the ball and stopping the run is still a major thing
Winning in the NFL is not about running the ball and stopping the run. Once you've controlled for injuries, it's about:
1. Making chunk plays on offense (for most teams this is throwing the ball; for Baltimore it's also running the ball with the quarterback)
2. Limiting chunk plays on defense (Belichick has understood this for years, focusing on limiting big plays and using red zone defense to turn TDs into FGs)
3. Turnovers
If I had to set a goal for the Giants in 2020 it's to get Jones's YPA up above 7.5. Along with turnovers that well correlate most to wins, IMO.
Fucking bullshit. It's the FOUNDATION of winning football, if you can't do those two things you have no prayer of winning consistently, absofuckinglutely none, no matter what you're tired Grumpy Smurf asshole takes are you whiny self absorbed cunt faced fuck. Because Gettleman said it you don't believe it. Watching the 49ers? They have thrown it SIX FUCKING TIMES because the Packers CANNOT STOP THE RUN. IT's not hard, but self proclaimed geniuses like you who in fact don't know fuck all about this game and how it's played like to spout ill advised fucking bullshit that mean nothing. Football is a really easy game once you do the simple things right. No one gives a flying rat fuck what you say anymore you fucking no good crying waste of a heartbeat. Fuck you.
Winning in the NFL is not about running the ball and stopping the run. Once you've controlled for injuries, it's about:
1. Making chunk plays on offense (for most teams this is throwing the ball; for Baltimore it's also running the ball with the quarterback)
2. Limiting chunk plays on defense (Belichick has understood this for years, focusing on limiting big plays and using red zone defense to turn TDs into FGs)
3. Turnovers
If I had to set a goal for the Giants in 2020 it's to get Jones's YPA up above 7.5. Along with turnovers that well correlate most to wins, IMO.
Fucking bullshit. It's the FOUNDATION of winning football, if you can't do those two things you have no prayer of winning consistently, absofuckinglutely none, no matter what you're tired Grumpy Smurf asshole takes are you whiny self absorbed cunt faced fuck. Because Gettleman said it you don't believe it. Watching the 49ers? They have thrown it SIX FUCKING TIMES because the Packers CANNOT STOP THE RUN. IT's not hard, but self proclaimed geniuses like you who in fact don't know fuck all about this game and how it's played like to spout ill advised fucking bullshit that mean nothing. Football is a really easy game once you do the simple things right. No one gives a flying rat fuck what you say anymore you fucking no good crying waste of a heartbeat. Fuck you.
Seems like a good time to bid this place adieu. This place isn't really worth frequenting anymore.
I made a mistake coming back for this season. I won't make the same mistake twice. Have fun lying to yourselves.
Strange take here. There are plenty of posters here who have been pissed off. This place has mostly been negative with regards to the team. You make it sound like this place is littered with complete homers for the team.
It applies to both sides - some ppl defend everything they do, but others bash everything they do. I don’t get the feeling this place is state run media with regards to the Giants.
Seems like a good time to bid this place adieu. This place isn't really worth frequenting anymore.
I made a mistake coming back for this season. I won't make the same mistake twice. Have fun lying to yourselves.
You do what you have to do but don't blame this on others. I hope you don't leave but a word of advice if you will. You aren't going to change most people's minds. You aren't going to change the structure of this franchise. You have an opinion and that is all it is. It is tiresome for most on here to read the same negative stuff over and over and over and over and over. We get it. But if you are so miserable with how this team/organization are run then why are you still a fan? We all enjoy sports because it is entertainment and we have a connection to it that cannot always be described with words. Most of us have hope that this will turn it around. Now, this has ZERO to do with being right or wrong. Even when you are right you beat a dead horse and most don't want to hear it. You are on a one man crusade. I respect your passion and opposing stance to what is popular. I think you are a good poster but there is also a reason that people respond to you the way they do. Hell, I have said things too that bring out those responses too. All I ask is that you understand where others coke from because at times it seems to be that only your way will work and anything else is frowned upon. It just wears thin.
So, to reiterate, I hope you don't stop posting because of Joey getting excited. I hope you still post but ultimately that is up to you.
Hell, this place was negative after the recent Super Bowls.. Â
A game like this vindicates Gettleman. It's obvious you can't NOT stop the run and win. But if Gettleman devotes more resources and high picks/FA contracts towards that at the expense of other areas (not saying he will but... not saying he won't), I think we'll still suck.
It just seems an aberration that could easily occur even if Gettleman pulls off building a defense that's really good at stopping at the run. Or if not, if the Giants were in the Packers' place and were stopping these run plays, the 9ers would simply put up 200 yards by passing to Kittle alone.
A game like this vindicates Gettleman. It's obvious you can't NOT stop the run and win. But if Gettleman devotes more resources and high picks/FA contracts towards that at the expense of other areas (not saying he will but... not saying he won't), I think we'll still suck.
It just seems an aberration that could easily occur even if Gettleman pulls off building a defense that's really good at stopping at the run. Or if not, if the Giants were in the Packers' place and were stopping these run plays, the 9ers would simply put up 200 yards by passing to Kittle alone.
That’s the funny part about this whole thing. People who hate Gettelman actually think that he thinks that running the ball and stopping the run is the ONLY way to win. That’s why this hole thing is hilarious.
It’s as if people just forgot he loaded up on CBs and drafted a QB at 6. You’d swearing reading the opinions of some that Gettleman drafted 5 running backs and 5 DTs both years here.
It’s nothing more than taking a sound byte and running with it - its now infected this site with ridiculous arguments on both ends.
Periodically taking a break after years of unwatchable football is a good idea.
Even under optimistic (but reasonable) future scenarios, the need for patience and tolerance for a wide range of takes is in the NYG future for awhile
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The Niners game. Moronic post that didn’t even last a few hours to look stupid. Yeah.
Tanehill is pretty much Trent Dilfer and May not be even that good. Never mind Titans don’t have that half of thst Ravens type of defense to stop Mahomes who is most likely the next great NFL And he may tear up the Niners but do us all a favor and go back to playing Madden
Point toward the empirical evidence that over a significant period of time running and stopping the run have a statistically stronger correlation to reaching and/or winning playoff games. I've never seen it, maybe it exists?
The aggressive broad claims don't do much to advance the conversation or contribute to a better understanding of anything.
Best guess, it's a point/counter point league and there are several ways to win, several outliers, and stopping what your opponent is the best at is probably the best indicator of winning.
But if you're going to fucking scream in someone's face, bring the facts. If they are right, you'll get an acknowledgement from many (including me). Otherwise you're just screaming in someone's face, which makes for what now?
too long to got into now for one has to isolate and through out so many games that are statistically run centric but situationally specific ( teams leads by 3 scores in the 2Q and runs the rest of the game to work the clock va team with a 3rd QB in there vs teams with a poor FG kicker who have no choice or a team with long runs but who cant make 3 and 3 when it counts and on and on and on).
But what stats say when like for like sample sizes are hard to get and what successful coaches who win a lot say are different...who you gonna listen to?
And if you could win by pounding the run instead of the riskier pass against a well coached pass defense...whats the risk adjusted plan?
To me, the runs the NYG have are far far from a dependable running game. The best illustration I saw of this was a Pittsburg late season had to win game in the snow. Pittsburg is down by 4 in the 4th and there is no Ben. So the only way to win is give the ball to the Bus behind Hutchison and Faneca from their own 15 yard line. Everyone in the stadium and watching knew what was coming and they still got it done. That's a running game. Rock solid dependable when you have to or should run.
The NYG are no where close to that. I half expect a downfield bowling ball in the late rounds.
and stop the run. However, the Titans-Chiefs game doesn't dispel that and the 49ers-Packers game doesn't prove it. No single game does.
The Chiefs didn't completely shut down the run. In fact, early on, that was a good ballgame precisely because Henry was running well. The difference, is they can score in bunches and accumulate chunk plays. The Titans had a nice run, but the reality is Tannehill is not a guy who is going to win many games on his own, and this would have been one of those games once the Chiefs got rolling. If the Titans D was able to stop Maholmes or Hill, this is a different game. Thie Chiefs, however, are a better all around team with more weapons and speed. Once they got going, the outcome was as expecte.d
IMO Andy Reid is a brilliant offensive coach whose Â
greatest claim to fame until now was always how his teams choked - at least partly because of their very reliance on the passing game - on the road to the SB.
It's been pointed out innumerable times that no Reid team has yet won a SB.
Now if he wins this one - with a true outlier individual player at QB - is it wise to use the Reid model of relying almost exclusively on the passing game to carry one's offense?
You wanna hitch yourself to that wagon? Good luck finding and drafting the next Patrick Mahomes!
I will say that he was one of my favorite posters for a long time - very willing to think differently and defend the contrarian position in a way that forced you to think deeply. The guy loves football and is smart.
Having said that, it's clear that football has been consuming him just based on the amount of time he's spent on here. Very few meaningful threads I've read where he doesn't pop in for a bit to engage. Hoping for his own well-being he gets a nice break by stepping away from BBI for a while. He can still read without having to comment all the time.
I've been through this from time to time myself, although I never stop reading BBI I definitely step away from posting and engaging in discussion. The way the threads have been going lately discussion hasn't been much fun for me, so I'm back to mostly lurking.
Joey should and probably will apologize for his outburst. It wasn't warranted and he just does it sometimes.
It's also rich for anyone to criticize a pattern in someone's posting. Any of us who post a lot can close our eyes and name who said it with high accuracy.
Manny brings up a good point about Gettleman's mantra: run, stop the run, rush the passer.
I always found it quite funny actually. Putting a QB under pressure is in fact the best way to lower quarterback rating. Proven every year as long as both stats have been measured.
This means stopping the pass is important, therefore passing the ball is important.
So Gettleman is basically saying:
- Run the ball
- Stop the run
- Pass the ball
- Stop the pass
sucks the oxygen out of discussions. And he seems to have become preoccupied with feeling smarter than everyone else solely by virtue of taking unpopular positions. And, yes, his overall point of view has become riddled with contradictions.
But the way Joey spoke to him was completely uncalled for and out of line. I can't imagine becoming so unglued and unhinged over a football opinion I disagree with.
"the Giants are always wrong" default position sucks the oxygen out of discussions. And he seems to have become preoccupied with feeling smarter than everyone else solely by virtue of taking unpopular positions. And, yes, his overall point of view has become riddled with contradictions.
But the way Joey spoke to him was completely uncalled for and out of line. I can't imagine becoming so unglued and unhinged over a football opinion I disagree with.
(I love how this website still can't handle quotations in the comment subjects.)
"the Giants are always wrong" default position sucks the oxygen out of discussions. And he seems to have become preoccupied with feeling smarter than everyone else solely by virtue of taking unpopular positions. And, yes, his overall point of view has become riddled with contradictions.
But the way Joey spoke to him was completely uncalled for and out of line. I can't imagine becoming so unglued and unhinged over a football opinion I disagree with.
(I love how this website still can't handle quotations in the comment subjects.)
Exactly. It’s not the first time either and he basically threatened to kill someone about a week ago. It’s not a good look for anyone.
and think it has a place, but I still think the rules of the game dictate passing and defending the pass are the best paths to victory.
So give me a pass rush, dependable OL, and something we desperately need to finally flip - creating turnovers to be on the right side of the plus-minus differential. We are just dreadful at taking the ball away...
RE: These last few post drew my attention up to Joey's Â
post and IMO that's gotta be a banable offense. Joey needs a time out far worse than Terps, IMO.
MODS?
Good assessment by Robbie above too, and of course Bill2.
It's only football folks, as passionate as we are about it, it's a game.
If you think that’s bad check the ones out on this thread:
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Joey in VA : 1/11/2020 9:49 pm : link : reply
You are the stupidest poster this site has ever seen. That's a badge of honor my friend, embrace your lack of brains, enjoy being the singular example of why abortion should be legal, why lobotomies are still a good idea and why ritual suicide or lynching has a place in our society. You give us all a reason to hope, that you get hit by a train.
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I hope you step on a razor blade, then on a pool of Tabasco laced with Hepatitis and you feed it to your family.
Joey should and probably will apologize for his outburst. It wasn't warranted and he just does it sometimes.
It's also rich for anyone to criticize a pattern in someone's posting. Any of us who post a lot can close our eyes and name who said it with high accuracy.
Manny brings up a good point about Gettleman's mantra: run, stop the run, rush the passer.
I always found it quite funny actually. Putting a QB under pressure is in fact the best way to lower quarterback rating. Proven every year as long as both stats have been measured.
This means stopping the pass is important, therefore passing the ball is important.
So Gettleman is basically saying:
- Run the ball
- Stop the run
- Pass the ball
- Stop the pass
Sounds a lot like football.
Now it sounds like football? Because for the past two years it has been considered archaic and out of touch.
This is what happens when you take throwaway quips and soundbites from the GM and run with them, creating entire conspiracy theories around them, and now that the entire playoffs have dictated that running the ball, stopping the run, and rushing the passer STILL wins in this league well now it's just oversimplification....
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Updated through 10 playoff games:
Teams are averaging 130.7 rushing yards per game and 236.8 passing yards per game.
Winning teams are averaging 154.5 rushing, 211.4 passing.
Losing teams are averaging 106.8 rushing, 262.2 passing.
Bah! That's just citing yards. You need to compare to some next-gen stat metric that twists it to show that advanced passing yards are the true driver of winning!
Now it sounds like football? Because for the past two years it has been considered archaic and out of touch.
This is what happens when you take throwaway quips and soundbites from the GM and run with them, creating entire conspiracy theories around them, and now that the entire playoffs have dictated that running the ball, stopping the run, and rushing the passer STILL wins in this league well now it's just oversimplification....
"Sounds a lot like football, duh..." lol.
First, the entire playoffs aren't over. But that doesn't matter -- if the Chiefs fucking blow the doors off the 9ers with 500 yards passing -- it's still one game and a small sample size.
The bigger point is why does Gettleman make three points 1) run 2) stop the run 3) rush the passer.
Why doesn't he include 4) protect the passer.
The reason it's important to rush the passer is because it's the most efficient way to stop a pass game. If you can protect the passer it's the best way to have an effective pass game.
Over any significant period of time plenty of teams will win by being good running, stopping the run, passing and stopping the pass.
He’s been here forever, used to write game summaries for Eric (pretty good ones too), but he goes off the rails sometimes. Old timers here, like myself and BW know you have to totally ignore Joey when he gets like that. He comes around pretty quick. He did that at camp in Albany once where it was harder to ignore him. He’s an OK guy in the final analysis. Terps grates on people’s nerves- just the kind of guy to set Joey off.
Run the ball, stop the run, HARASS the QB.
The Niners are doing just that today.
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Yes I am. Like I said for the start of this thread there is more than one way to get it done in the NFL.
I also think you said that one way, the old school way, is dead. That is not what I’m seeing as I watch the Chiefs stop the run and watch the 9ers dominate in a very old school way.
Maybe you were just wrong.
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KC won the game by stopping the run & forcing Tannehill to beat them, while having a good balance of run & pass on offense.
KC didn’t shut the run down. They torched the Tennessee defense.
KC didn’t shut down the run? Henry had what, 70 yards? Did you even watch the game?
I addressed that in above post my Troll Dupe friend.
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Yes I am. Like I said for the start of this thread there is more than one way to get it done in the NFL.
I also think you said that one way, the old school way, is dead. That is not what I’m seeing as I watch the Chiefs stop the run and watch the 9ers dominate in a very old school way.
Maybe you were just wrong.
I posed a question.
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KC won the game by stopping the run & forcing Tannehill to beat them, while having a good balance of run & pass on offense.
KC didn’t shut the run down. They torched the Tennessee defense.
KC didn’t shut down the run? Henry had what, 70 yards? Did you even watch the game?
I addressed that in above post my Troll Dupe friend.
You should delete this dumb ass thread. I’m embarrassed for you.
Are you watching the SF game?
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KC won the game by stopping the run & forcing Tannehill to beat them, while having a good balance of run & pass on offense.
KC didn’t shut the run down. They torched the Tennessee defense.
KC didn’t shut down the run? Henry had what, 70 yards? Did you even watch the game?
I addressed that in above post my Troll Dupe friend.
You should delete this dumb ass thread. I’m embarrassed for you.
Are you watching the SF game?
There is the dupe behavior I’m talking about. Haven’t acted like an asshole to enough posters tonight?
Your time will come Will.
1. Making chunk plays on offense (for most teams this is throwing the ball; for Baltimore it's also running the ball with the quarterback)
2. Limiting chunk plays on defense (Belichick has understood this for years, focusing on limiting big plays and using red zone defense to turn TDs into FGs)
3. Turnovers
If I had to set a goal for the Giants in 2020 it's to get Jones's YPA up above 7.5. Along with turnovers that well correlate most to wins, IMO.
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Winning in the NFL is not about running the ball and stopping the run. Once you've controlled for injuries, it's about:
1. Making chunk plays on offense (for most teams this is throwing the ball; for Baltimore it's also running the ball with the quarterback)
2. Limiting chunk plays on defense (Belichick has understood this for years, focusing on limiting big plays and using red zone defense to turn TDs into FGs)
3. Turnovers
If I had to set a goal for the Giants in 2020 it's to get Jones's YPA up above 7.5. Along with turnovers that well correlate most to wins, IMO.
Fucking bullshit. It's the FOUNDATION of winning football, if you can't do those two things you have no prayer of winning consistently, absofuckinglutely none, no matter what you're tired Grumpy Smurf asshole takes are you whiny self absorbed cunt faced fuck. Because Gettleman said it you don't believe it. Watching the 49ers? They have thrown it SIX FUCKING TIMES because the Packers CANNOT STOP THE RUN. IT's not hard, but self proclaimed geniuses like you who in fact don't know fuck all about this game and how it's played like to spout ill advised fucking bullshit that mean nothing. Football is a really easy game once you do the simple things right. No one gives a flying rat fuck what you say anymore you fucking no good crying waste of a heartbeat. Fuck you.
Yea this pretty much covers that bullshit thesis.
I made a mistake coming back for this season. I won't make the same mistake twice. Have fun lying to yourselves.
I made a mistake coming back for this season. I won't make the same mistake twice. Have fun lying to yourselves.
Strange take here. There are plenty of posters here who have been pissed off. This place has mostly been negative with regards to the team. You make it sound like this place is littered with complete homers for the team.
It applies to both sides - some ppl defend everything they do, but others bash everything they do. I don’t get the feeling this place is state run media with regards to the Giants.
I made a mistake coming back for this season. I won't make the same mistake twice. Have fun lying to yourselves.
You do what you have to do but don't blame this on others. I hope you don't leave but a word of advice if you will. You aren't going to change most people's minds. You aren't going to change the structure of this franchise. You have an opinion and that is all it is. It is tiresome for most on here to read the same negative stuff over and over and over and over and over. We get it. But if you are so miserable with how this team/organization are run then why are you still a fan? We all enjoy sports because it is entertainment and we have a connection to it that cannot always be described with words. Most of us have hope that this will turn it around. Now, this has ZERO to do with being right or wrong. Even when you are right you beat a dead horse and most don't want to hear it. You are on a one man crusade. I respect your passion and opposing stance to what is popular. I think you are a good poster but there is also a reason that people respond to you the way they do. Hell, I have said things too that bring out those responses too. All I ask is that you understand where others coke from because at times it seems to be that only your way will work and anything else is frowned upon. It just wears thin.
So, to reiterate, I hope you don't stop posting because of Joey getting excited. I hope you still post but ultimately that is up to you.
It just seems an aberration that could easily occur even if Gettleman pulls off building a defense that's really good at stopping at the run. Or if not, if the Giants were in the Packers' place and were stopping these run plays, the 9ers would simply put up 200 yards by passing to Kittle alone.
It just seems an aberration that could easily occur even if Gettleman pulls off building a defense that's really good at stopping at the run. Or if not, if the Giants were in the Packers' place and were stopping these run plays, the 9ers would simply put up 200 yards by passing to Kittle alone.
That’s the funny part about this whole thing. People who hate Gettelman actually think that he thinks that running the ball and stopping the run is the ONLY way to win. That’s why this hole thing is hilarious.
It’s as if people just forgot he loaded up on CBs and drafted a QB at 6. You’d swearing reading the opinions of some that Gettleman drafted 5 running backs and 5 DTs both years here.
It’s nothing more than taking a sound byte and running with it - its now infected this site with ridiculous arguments on both ends.
Periodically taking a break after years of unwatchable football is a good idea.
Even under optimistic (but reasonable) future scenarios, the need for patience and tolerance for a wide range of takes is in the NYG future for awhile
.
Tanehill is pretty much Trent Dilfer and May not be even that good. Never mind Titans don’t have that half of thst Ravens type of defense to stop Mahomes who is most likely the next great NFL And he may tear up the Niners but do us all a favor and go back to playing Madden
The aggressive broad claims don't do much to advance the conversation or contribute to a better understanding of anything.
Best guess, it's a point/counter point league and there are several ways to win, several outliers, and stopping what your opponent is the best at is probably the best indicator of winning.
But if you're going to fucking scream in someone's face, bring the facts. If they are right, you'll get an acknowledgement from many (including me). Otherwise you're just screaming in someone's face, which makes for what now?
But what stats say when like for like sample sizes are hard to get and what successful coaches who win a lot say are different...who you gonna listen to?
And if you could win by pounding the run instead of the riskier pass against a well coached pass defense...whats the risk adjusted plan?
To me, the runs the NYG have are far far from a dependable running game. The best illustration I saw of this was a Pittsburg late season had to win game in the snow. Pittsburg is down by 4 in the 4th and there is no Ben. So the only way to win is give the ball to the Bus behind Hutchison and Faneca from their own 15 yard line. Everyone in the stadium and watching knew what was coming and they still got it done. That's a running game. Rock solid dependable when you have to or should run.
The NYG are no where close to that. I half expect a downfield bowling ball in the late rounds.
just imo
I think the coaches who win big all strive for balance and variety so to me its an argument for arguments sake
Harass the QB (which means suffocate the passing game).
If the opponent can't run & can't pass, because it's QB is running for his life all day. I'd say that a gigantic step in the right direction.
If your running back is rushing for 200 yards, and their defense shows not sign of stopping him, why risk putting the ball in the air ?
The Chiefs didn't completely shut down the run. In fact, early on, that was a good ballgame precisely because Henry was running well. The difference, is they can score in bunches and accumulate chunk plays. The Titans had a nice run, but the reality is Tannehill is not a guy who is going to win many games on his own, and this would have been one of those games once the Chiefs got rolling. If the Titans D was able to stop Maholmes or Hill, this is a different game. Thie Chiefs, however, are a better all around team with more weapons and speed. Once they got going, the outcome was as expecte.d
It's been pointed out innumerable times that no Reid team has yet won a SB.
Now if he wins this one - with a true outlier individual player at QB - is it wise to use the Reid model of relying almost exclusively on the passing game to carry one's offense?
You wanna hitch yourself to that wagon? Good luck finding and drafting the next Patrick Mahomes!
Or when we hire a position coach that he thinks has the stamp of DG and Mara all over it.
Can't miss an opportunity to tell us all just how terrible the people running the team are...
Having said that, it's clear that football has been consuming him just based on the amount of time he's spent on here. Very few meaningful threads I've read where he doesn't pop in for a bit to engage. Hoping for his own well-being he gets a nice break by stepping away from BBI for a while. He can still read without having to comment all the time.
I've been through this from time to time myself, although I never stop reading BBI I definitely step away from posting and engaging in discussion. The way the threads have been going lately discussion hasn't been much fun for me, so I'm back to mostly lurking.
You're right to leave GoTerps. This place has become absolutely toxic. Zero chance of debating anything with even a remote degree of civility.
It's also rich for anyone to criticize a pattern in someone's posting. Any of us who post a lot can close our eyes and name who said it with high accuracy.
Manny brings up a good point about Gettleman's mantra: run, stop the run, rush the passer.
I always found it quite funny actually. Putting a QB under pressure is in fact the best way to lower quarterback rating. Proven every year as long as both stats have been measured.
This means stopping the pass is important, therefore passing the ball is important.
So Gettleman is basically saying:
- Run the ball
- Stop the run
- Pass the ball
- Stop the pass
Sounds a lot like football.
But the way Joey spoke to him was completely uncalled for and out of line. I can't imagine becoming so unglued and unhinged over a football opinion I disagree with.
But the way Joey spoke to him was completely uncalled for and out of line. I can't imagine becoming so unglued and unhinged over a football opinion I disagree with.
(I love how this website still can't handle quotations in the comment subjects.)
But the way Joey spoke to him was completely uncalled for and out of line. I can't imagine becoming so unglued and unhinged over a football opinion I disagree with.
(I love how this website still can't handle quotations in the comment subjects.)
Exactly. It’s not the first time either and he basically threatened to kill someone about a week ago. It’s not a good look for anyone.
MODS?
Good assessment by Robbie above too, and of course Bill2.
It's only football folks, as passionate as we are about it, it's a game.
So give me a pass rush, dependable OL, and something we desperately need to finally flip - creating turnovers to be on the right side of the plus-minus differential. We are just dreadful at taking the ball away...
MODS?
Good assessment by Robbie above too, and of course Bill2.
It's only football folks, as passionate as we are about it, it's a game.
If you think that’s bad check the ones out on this thread:
Joey in VA : 1/11/2020 9:49 pm : link : reply
You are the stupidest poster this site has ever seen. That's a badge of honor my friend, embrace your lack of brains, enjoy being the singular example of why abortion should be legal, why lobotomies are still a good idea and why ritual suicide or lynching has a place in our society. You give us all a reason to hope, that you get hit by a train.
And
Yikes - ( New Window )
But he should never be banned. He’s got equity here. And when he settles down and gets his bearings, he’s been good about apologizing...
So I hope these requests to be banned die down. If you don’t like anyone’s thoughts, simply ignore them.
It's also rich for anyone to criticize a pattern in someone's posting. Any of us who post a lot can close our eyes and name who said it with high accuracy.
Manny brings up a good point about Gettleman's mantra: run, stop the run, rush the passer.
I always found it quite funny actually. Putting a QB under pressure is in fact the best way to lower quarterback rating. Proven every year as long as both stats have been measured.
This means stopping the pass is important, therefore passing the ball is important.
So Gettleman is basically saying:
- Run the ball
- Stop the run
- Pass the ball
- Stop the pass
Sounds a lot like football.
Now it sounds like football? Because for the past two years it has been considered archaic and out of touch.
This is what happens when you take throwaway quips and soundbites from the GM and run with them, creating entire conspiracy theories around them, and now that the entire playoffs have dictated that running the ball, stopping the run, and rushing the passer STILL wins in this league well now it's just oversimplification....
"Sounds a lot like football, duh..." lol.
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Updated through 10 playoff games:
Teams are averaging 130.7 rushing yards per game and 236.8 passing yards per game.
Winning teams are averaging 154.5 rushing, 211.4 passing.
Losing teams are averaging 106.8 rushing, 262.2 passing.
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@RVacchianoSNY
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Updated through 10 playoff games:
Teams are averaging 130.7 rushing yards per game and 236.8 passing yards per game.
Winning teams are averaging 154.5 rushing, 211.4 passing.
Losing teams are averaging 106.8 rushing, 262.2 passing.
Bah! That's just citing yards. You need to compare to some next-gen stat metric that twists it to show that advanced passing yards are the true driver of winning!
That should be obvious.
This is what happens when you take throwaway quips and soundbites from the GM and run with them, creating entire conspiracy theories around them, and now that the entire playoffs have dictated that running the ball, stopping the run, and rushing the passer STILL wins in this league well now it's just oversimplification....
"Sounds a lot like football, duh..." lol.
First, the entire playoffs aren't over. But that doesn't matter -- if the Chiefs fucking blow the doors off the 9ers with 500 yards passing -- it's still one game and a small sample size.
The bigger point is why does Gettleman make three points 1) run 2) stop the run 3) rush the passer.
Why doesn't he include 4) protect the passer.
The reason it's important to rush the passer is because it's the most efficient way to stop a pass game. If you can protect the passer it's the best way to have an effective pass game.
Over any significant period of time plenty of teams will win by being good running, stopping the run, passing and stopping the pass.