Terps was very early on the Lamar Jackson train. It's also not fair to say he hated DG from day one. He immediately disliked the moves, IIRC, but was fine with the actual hire.
It's very frustrating to advocate in a setting where your passions and insights will not translate into actions.
So a substitute is insistence. Soon the stew includes intractable bias and magical thinking and more and more time searching for explanations for all the unknowable in football analysis.
Then trying to analyze the rationale and motives of owners and decision makers we will never know with quarter of the context and tons of confounding and exogenous scraps ..
It just gets hard and frustrating.
Rooting for a perpetual losing team really twists fandom. And frankly it hurts to identify with and root for a perpetual loser.
We all love flawed people,institutions and ideals but no progress is stressful. Ditto the NYG
when you hype up Lamar Jackson before the draft, but then at the last minute, express grave concerns over his mom being his agent. If he works out in the NFL, you're right. If he flops, you were also right about having significant concerns.
Or when you think Duke prospect Daniel Jones is the best option to succeed Eli, but then after the pick is made, you're not happy, because Eli was kept. And then after Eli leaves and it's Jones' job, you suggest that if the new coach wants to move on from Jones at #4, he should. If Jones works out, you were right. If Jones doesn't work out, you were also right.
Or you can insist for years that winning a league MVP doesn't matter to you, because you don't frame and hang on the wall the newspapers when a guy wins an MVP, like you do for championships. But then when it looks like Lamar Jackson is going to win the MVP (after flopping in the playoffs for the second time), you can mention that every time you want to remind people how right you were about him.
Or you can insist that Beckham should be traded, but then when he actually is traded, you can criticize how it was done...
We can go on and on...
RE: Go Terps biggest claim to fame that I'm remembering.... Â
was that he was the first one on the trade Odell train, from the very first signs of their being an issue. He took a lot of sh-t for it but was vindicated in the end.
Other than that, I'm not remembering anything all that distinct other than falling into the Gettleman sucks group from Day 1 which I don't think has played out yet one way or the other?
Predicted Lamar Jackson success
Was one of the Eli fan boys who saw that his time was over
I’m sure he opposed the solder and other DG signings but don’t have direct memory of that
Going way back, he predicted the saints to win the SB the year that they did.
constantly telling the board you're right, is that it naturally highlights when you aren't.
Like advocating that TJ Hockenson should have been the first round pick for us.
Like saying Garrett was going to be the HC and when we lost out on Rhule, spending the next hour having several posts pointing out how correct that Garrett prediction was.
When a team is doing poorly, it isn't really insightful to say that the team sucks. Nor does saying the if the team had done things differently that the results would be demonstrably different.
The last year has been post upon post saying how terrible the team is, how every move has sucked and how bleak the next several years will be.
That isn't a matter of right vs. wrong, it is just overt pessimism that assumes the people running the team are incompetent and that no decision has been a good one simply because the W/L record has been terrible.
I won't even mention how Indy and Oakland were pointed out as two teams we should emulate. Conveniently pointed out midway through the season when they were in a playoff position.
Terps gets threatened on a thread from the most ridiculous internet tough guy post i have ever seen... and the thread goes on to discuss why somehow it was his fault.
and you have the guys who have been dead wrong on the giants of late discussing it. only here... only now... would that happen.
Britt you don't recall Terps being right often because you wont acknowledge being wrong often. its that simple
Terps gets threatened on a thread from the most ridiculous internet tough guy post i have ever seen... and the thread goes on to discuss why somehow it was his fault.
and you have the guys who have been dead wrong on the giants of late discussing it. only here... only now... would that happen.
Britt you don't recall Terps being right often because you wont acknowledge being wrong often. its that simple
Pretty amazing isn't it. Well with him gone, I'm sure we'll get many more threads that put that glue in lieu of mayonnaise.
Terps gets threatened on a thread from the most ridiculous internet tough guy post i have ever seen... and the thread goes on to discuss why somehow it was his fault.
and you have the guys who have been dead wrong on the giants of late discussing it. only here... only now... would that happen.
Britt you don't recall Terps being right often because you wont acknowledge being wrong often. its that simple
Right, wrong, who gives a shit? What am I wrong about? My opinion? It's a f-cking opinion. That's it. Do I present it as fact? No.
and cap analysts that started to believe their own sh-t, and started getting overly aggressive and arrogant about it, and would shout down anything that didn't align with that. They know better than everybody.
We get it. The Giants are sh-t. The point has been made, and made, and made, and made, and made over again...
Then you have the professional sh-t stirrers that like to go in there and troll for their own amusement, and rile everybody up and then you have what you have here.... a mess.
I'm not sure I follow. Never viewed myself as much of a scorekeeper.
No do I have any problem - ever - taking heat for my opinions. And I never complain about how my viewpoints are attacked, or I'm attacked. To me, it's all part of the participating in the BBI jungle.
That's pretty much the whole story, here. Terps isn't some martyr.
Terps is fine. He’s not an asshole. It’s internet tough guys that make this place terrible.
Why is it ok for someone to threaten someone here and then I check their Twitter page and there is not one hint of being that abusive. It’s because he doesn’t get a free pass to write whatever he wants there.
I put up a perfectly reasonable thread last night that I took down because the first thing he did was threaten me on it.
They, and they know who they are, will remind the board of their predictions in a not so subtle way; but then try to claim higher ground by feigning innocence that their tone was simply misconstrued when challenged.
Oddly, they really are some of my favorites to read. ;)
Or you could be like FMIC and not really state an opinion on the football team at all and only exist to bash other posters on this site.
If I don't really state an opinion on the team, why am I classified as a pollyanna or by some fucking lunatics either a paid shill by the team or Dave Gettleman himself?
and optimism based on fantasy.
Still waiting for that "Eli's revenge tour."
Optimism is based on me finding no point to be down on the teams I root for. Being a pessimist doesn’t actually make the team wake up and do things differently, but you guys sure post like it does.
The Giants can go 0-16 next year and I’ll still be optimistic for the 2021 season.
Or you could be like FMIC and not really state an opinion on the football team at all and only exist to bash other posters on this site.
If I don't really state an opinion on the team, why am I classified as a pollyanna or by some fucking lunatics either a paid shill by the team or Dave Gettleman himself?
You would have to ask the people who made those comments but I’m sure it has to do with attacking posters with a certain view point.
What those guys miss is that you rarely make a counter argument, or discuss the team at all. Just like in this response you only discuss BBI posters.
I'd ask myself..
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if I put Wentz on Washington or Dak on Washington, would they look good. I think Wentz would. Alex Smith looked good there. I don't think Dak would. He doesn't carry his team.
Wentz has the edge and it isn't slight. He also can't stay healthy though.
I think in 3 years if this question is asked, Jones will be #1.
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he was at a cookout one of my friends hosted a few years back. Really nice guy. He loved playing for Parcells.
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enough, Quinn's name keeps getting brought up even after the ST units have improved.
That should really be the bizarre part.
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league is littered with failed HC's who returned to being successful coordinators and position coaches.
A lot of guys aren't cut out to be the head guy.
It isn't like Kitchens has been a failure at his stops.
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but I'm not sure how it will pan out. JonC is right about the ramifications for Patricia.
The Lions aren't happy with the way Stafford handled his injury this season and some comments he made. Also, the injury is a pretty severe one that is likely to give problems going forward. A lot of back injuries are like that.
I can see a play for another QB, but there will be a short-term hit and I'm not sure Patricia wants to sign up for that.
Could it be that perhaps you just focus on the negative posts, in part because I've called you out before. If you don't like my style, fine. But at least know what the fuck you're talking about.
Or you could be like FMIC and not really state an opinion on the football team at all and only exist to bash other posters on this site.
If I don't really state an opinion on the team, why am I classified as a pollyanna or by some fucking lunatics either a paid shill by the team or Dave Gettleman himself?
You would have to ask the people who made those comments but I’m sure it has to do with attacking posters with a certain view point.
What those guys miss is that you rarely make a counter argument, or discuss the team at all. Just like in this response you only discuss BBI posters.
I've been making this point about FMiC forever. He attacks posters when they have a certain PoV... Particularly anything negative about the team in general. Then, when the poster's PoV turns out to be correct, his claim is that he never stated the opposing opinion, but just that the poster in question sucked.
Talk about a shit stirrer... And whenever you call him out on it, he complains that you are following him around and trolling him. When of course that is exactly what he does. And there is no need to follow him around to troll him since he leave his turds everywhere on the board.
I'd ask myself..
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if I put Wentz on Washington or Dak on Washington, would they look good. I think Wentz would. Alex Smith looked good there. I don't think Dak would. He doesn't carry his team.
Wentz has the edge and it isn't slight. He also can't stay healthy though.
I think in 3 years if this question is asked, Jones will be #1.
Great you have an opinion about Eagle players and Cowboy players getting transplanted somehow to the Redskins. Does anybody really care?
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he was at a cookout one of my friends hosted a few years back. Really nice guy. He loved playing for Parcells.
Good to know you have friends, with your personality I figured that was a longshot.
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enough, Quinn's name keeps getting brought up even after the ST units have improved.
That should really be the bizarre part.
No opinion really stated, and really not very interesting at all.
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league is littered with failed HC's who returned to being successful coordinators and position coaches.
A lot of guys aren't cut out to be the head guy.
It isn't like Kitchens has been a failure at his stops.
Clear a sideways knock against somebody who expressed concerns about Kitchens... and again, no real opinion stated.
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but I'm not sure how it will pan out. JonC is right about the ramifications for Patricia.
The Lions aren't happy with the way Stafford handled his injury this season and some comments he made. Also, the injury is a pretty severe one that is likely to give problems going forward. A lot of back injuries are like that.
I can see a play for another QB, but there will be a short-term hit and I'm not sure Patricia wants to sign up for that.
Something about the Lions, again who really cares. You seam to like to post stuff about other teams... And is there an opinion there. If there is one, its so hedged it's impossible to make out.
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Could it be that perhaps you just focus on the negative posts, in part because I've called you out before. If you don't like my style, fine. But at least know what the fuck you're talking about.
Let's face it, for every post like the ones above (which were mostly meaningless), you have 10 posts attacking somebody.
The thing I appreciate about Terps is his opinions are supported by evidence and not flippant. Conversing with him has actually changed my mind on a few occasions and helped me understand the game and the team more.
That's a quality exchange, and presumably one of the better reasons to participate in conversation about the team with strangers.
There's nothing more inherently beneficial in being positive or optimistic when discussing the team.
When I read that intimated on threads I think about that guy on here who posts a lot about the Mets and truly believes every offseason was dynamite and it's unequivocally their year. It's definitely a positive outlook, but if for some reason I wanted to learn about the Mets, I wouldn't seek him out.
I *think* most of us want intellectually honest, interesting conversation about the team. When the team keeps losing 10 games a year, is it a surprise a lot of dialogue is negative?
The thing I appreciate about Terps is his opinions are supported by evidence and not flippant. Conversing with him has actually changed my mind on a few occasions and helped me understand the game and the team more.
That's a quality exchange, and presumably one of the better reasons to participate in conversation about the team with strangers.
There's nothing more inherently beneficial in being positive or optimistic when discussing the team.
When I read that intimated on threads I think about that guy on here who posts a lot about the Mets and truly believes every offseason was dynamite and it's unequivocally their year. It's definitely a positive outlook, but if for some reason I wanted to learn about the Mets, I wouldn't seek him out.
I *think* most of us want intellectually honest, interesting conversation about the team. When the team keeps losing 10 games a year, is it a surprise a lot of dialogue is negative?
Losing does perpetuate negativity.
I have been on BBI since year 1. The negativity has increased over time and I don't think it is just due to losing. I think "social media" in general is BIGGER and there are more bully mentalities out there now than in years past. Just my opinion....
I *think* most of us want intellectually honest, interesting conversation about the team. When the team keeps losing 10 games a year, is it a surprise a lot of dialogue is negative?
Well said my friend.
I would like to add that I feel communication is a major ingredient in expressing our views. If I express my view(s) in a manner that presents my view as fact then I have made it difficult for honest conversation, if I express my view with arrogance then I have made it difficult for honest conversation. I think these are factors that we all struggle with at times. I am leaning more so towards a philosophy of taking my time to think through before acting.
I appease personal pride (arrogance) at times which derails conversation. My personal pride is a hindrance to common ground with opposing views. We learn a lot from opposing views (if represented honestly) so I certainly should take an appropriate amount of time to measure what someone is expressing.
To me it seems conversation is treated as a competition frequently which causes an issue with trusting and measuring what the "opponent" is expressing.
I *think* most of us want intellectually honest, interesting conversation about the team. When the team keeps losing 10 games a year, is it a surprise a lot of dialogue is negative?
Well said my friend.
I would like to add that I feel communication is a major ingredient in expressing our views. If I express my view(s) in a manner that presents my view as fact then I have made it difficult for honest conversation, if I express my view with arrogance then I have made it difficult for honest conversation. I think these are factors that we all struggle with at times. I am leaning more so towards a philosophy of taking my time to think through before acting.
I appease personal pride (arrogance) at times which derails conversation. My personal pride is a hindrance to common ground with opposing views. We learn a lot from opposing views (if represented honestly) so I certainly should take an appropriate amount of time to measure what someone is expressing.
To me it seems conversation is treated as a competition frequently which causes an issue with trusting and measuring what the "opponent" is expressing.
THIS. This is the heart of the matter. Whatever it is you support, if you speak in absolutes and are condescending to the poster you are having the conversation with, is that productive? No.
The poster above who mentioned social media is right. That's the difference. We have a group of people that were raised to communicate on social media, and we have a group of people that were raised on face to face conversation. They are largely clashing here.
Interesting pov regarding those who grew up and are growing up in an age where a face is being replaced with text, therefore in a way dwindling the person to an object (text)
That had not occurred to me as ridiculous as that may sound that I was unaware of the significance of growing up where in an age where face to face conversation is on it's way of being viewed as inconvenience
It's funny, the communication on here that offends my sensibilities comes from the guys who I presume are a little older and I suspect actually would speak like that face-to-face.
I think Joey probably wouldn't shy from saying that to someone. He's never appeared to be shy or disingenuous. I don't think FMiC would shy from calling someone something condescending if the opportunity presented itself.
I think Terps has a pretty fixed sense of the world. But Britt, read back what you just typed. Can you see how someome could interpret you as staying your opinion as facts?
What, that a large generation has grown up with social media.... Â
It's funny, the communication on here that offends my sensibilities comes from the guys who I presume are a little older and I suspect actually would speak like that face-to-face.
I think Joey probably wouldn't shy from saying that to someone. He's never appeared to be shy or disingenuous. I don't think FMiC would shy from calling someone something condescending if the opportunity presented itself.
I think Terps has a pretty fixed sense of the world. But Britt, read back what you just typed. Can you see how someome could interpret you as staying your opinion as facts?
Here's the other thing... Have you met anybody from BBI? Because, while I have not met Joey or Fatman in person, I have met countless others WAY back in the day when we all used to go to training camp in Albany. And there was WAY more vitriol spewed on BBI back in those days. It was like the Wild West compared to now. And some of the most vitriolic posters back then were some of the nicest guys you could meet in person and have a beer with.
all arrangements were made on BBI. Stay at this hotel. Meet at the hotel bar. Meet in the lobby for practice. We're all going here for dinner, etc...
But beyond that, you had to walk into a group of 30-40 complete strangers from all walks of life, introduce yourself face to face, and join the conversation. In person.
So you suspect wrong. Because it wasn't like that at all. And that was when it was ME who was in his mid-twenties, interacting with the older posters.
What I didn't do was go in there with some smarmy ass attitude that I was the smartest person in the room, and condemn all others who didn't think like me. THAT's what wouldn't have gone over well in person. And it wouldn't be a big deal, just nobody would want to hang out with you.
imo,the flash point is not pessimists vs optimists
imo, the flash point is certainty and arrogance. Not a generational thing at all. Lets use a parallel to this observation from 2400 years ago
The truth is that what goes on in our heads ( the Forms) as humans is not reality. Reality is out there outside our experience. And the only way to get closer to a real picture is to listen to others in the Cave.
imo,the flash point is not pessimists vs optimists
imo, the flash point is certainty and arrogance. Not a generational thing at all. Lets use a parallel to this observation from 2400 years ago
The truth is that what goes on in our heads ( the Forms) as humans is not reality. Reality is out there outside our experience. And the only way to get closer to a real picture is to listen to others in the Cave.
Keeping that in mind every day...helps a lot
I agree that certainty and arrogance are at the heart of the matter, Bill.
But we have to acknowledge that the way we communicate has evolved, and I think we all understand that words on a screen don't always jive with words spoken directly, lack inflection and emotion, and can sometimes be interpreted not as intended.
BBI in the ‘90s was raw and unplugged. Very Darwinistic. It was so much better than today’s PC version of BBI.
But it is what it is, so you just adjust. But there is a softness now that is palpable, especially as the BBI mainstream has grown bigger and bigger...
Here's the other thing... Have you met anybody from BBI? Because, while I have not met Joey or Fatman in person, I have met countless others WAY back in the day when we all used to go to training camp in Albany.
T-Bone in person was the biggest asshole in the world!!!
I kid I kid.
Just a word of advice, if you ever meet up with CiP, bring a set of snips so you can cut the lock off of his wallet.....
BBI in the ‘90s was raw and unplugged. Very Darwinistic. It was so much better than today’s PC version of BBI.
But it is what it is, so you just adjust. But there is a softness now that is palpable, especially as the BBI mainstream has grown bigger and bigger...
Are you not a fan of common courtesy towards others? Serious question.
I think the concept of "common courtesy" is a difficult one for a message board.
We are in a population where a portion of posters are here to incite or create multiple handles to steer the dialogue or promote certain narratives. It isn't like in person where the guy you see is the same guy you'll see the next time
The key to "common courtesy" is the common part. Oftentimes, two posters don't have that commonality. You can even see in this thread from responses from ron and McL, that they don't believe I am ever courteous. That is their perception because I've not been courteous TO THEM. You may have a different take. A lot of posters on this site have a different take.
Generally courtesy is given until it is shown that it shouldn't be.
I think the concept of "common courtesy" is a difficult one for a message board.
We are in a population where a portion of posters are here to incite or create multiple handles to steer the dialogue or promote certain narratives. It isn't like in person where the guy you see is the same guy you'll see the next time
The key to "common courtesy" is the common part. Oftentimes, two posters don't have that commonality. You can even see in this thread from responses from ron and McL, that they don't believe I am ever courteous. That is their perception because I've not been courteous TO THEM. You may have a different take. A lot of posters on this site have a different take.
Generally courtesy is given until it is shown that it shouldn't be.
Thanks, that gives me something to chew on for a bit.
So you suspect wrong. Because it wasn't like that at all. And that was when it was ME who was in his mid-twenties, interacting with the older posters.
When I lived in San Francisco I met a ton of BBIers from 2000-2014 at a number of Raider, 9ers games, and bars for games. Probably 50-75. Most of them were everything I'd expected from interacting here. Lots of really great guys and a few who were a little much with their opinions.
No one surprised me, and no one was dramatically different.
Is there nuance and subtlety lost when typing versus in-person? Sure. But I don't buy there is some generational divide that makes those who came of age before social media better communicators on or offline.
for the record my complaint isn't that you aren't curtous Â
its that you spend most of your time discussing other BBIers and very little time actually discussing the team. At least this current version of the team. That my perception anyway.
But whatever man, I'm not a mod. Post how you want.
BBI in the ‘90s was raw and unplugged. Very Darwinistic. It was so much better than today’s PC version of BBI.
But it is what it is, so you just adjust. But there is a softness now that is palpable, especially as the BBI mainstream has grown bigger and bigger...
Are you not a fan of common courtesy towards others? Serious question.
In general? Sure.
Do I expect it around here? I don't. But I accept those terms and manage around it.
Generally courtesy is given until it is shown that it shouldn't be.
Too bad you don't live by this quote.
You're criteria for being courteous is based on whether or not in your view the opinion is critical of the team, or oddly enough, if somebody expresses an opinion and tries to back that opinion with with something more than just blurting it out.
You will notice that there really isn't anybody on this board that I am generally discourteous towards other than you. But, to illustrate the kind of cancer you promote, I have been sharp with crick in the past. In my head, I felt that he had been discourteous towards me in the past. When I looked back I realized why. He has never been directly discourteous, but he has supported you on a few occasions where you were being particularly vile. Googs pointed out to me that he found crick to generally be a thoughtful/introspective poster, and watching him more carefully I agree with Googs. I still don't have a warm fuzzy about him, because he supported some of your vitriol, but, he doesn't deserve being lumped in with you. The way you behave impacts the way others behave, and the way others are perceived. It generally lowers the civility of the discourse, it inhibits honest debate and divides people.
When I express opinions, especially ones that I expect will be somewhat controversial or debatable, I try to provide information that supports my opinion. For example, in this thread, I did the math on how much draft capital based on the draft value chart has actually been spent on the oline. It is things like that which inform my opinion, so I provide it.
When you provide an opinion with supporting information, it makes it much harder to argue an alternative opinion. Not impossible but harder. I think that offends some people and they feel their opinion is being shut out. They feel that I am posting with "certainty" or being "arrogant". But when you read what I write, my opinions are either clearly stated as such, or stated with some caveat. It happened on this thread with a poster whom I generally like and respect. What it means is that it raises the bar for the debate, and if you disagree, it likely means you have to be able to show that the support or evidence isn't valid, and that is a much tougher thing to do, especially if you haven't researched the the evidence being used. Its easier to just attack the poster and claim that they are posting with certainty or arrogance. I am saying this from my personal experience, but, I see others on this site that also use evidence to support their opinions, and I see them being treated the same way in response. It is what it is, but I thought I would throw that out there.
It's very frustrating to advocate in a setting where your passions and insights will not translate into actions.
So a substitute is insistence. Soon the stew includes intractable bias and magical thinking and more and more time searching for explanations for all the unknowable in football analysis.
Then trying to analyze the rationale and motives of owners and decision makers we will never know with quarter of the context and tons of confounding and exogenous scraps ..
It just gets hard and frustrating.
Rooting for a perpetual losing team really twists fandom. And frankly it hurts to identify with and root for a perpetual loser.
We all love flawed people,institutions and ideals but no progress is stressful. Ditto the NYG
Or when you think Duke prospect Daniel Jones is the best option to succeed Eli, but then after the pick is made, you're not happy, because Eli was kept. And then after Eli leaves and it's Jones' job, you suggest that if the new coach wants to move on from Jones at #4, he should. If Jones works out, you were right. If Jones doesn't work out, you were also right.
Or you can insist for years that winning a league MVP doesn't matter to you, because you don't frame and hang on the wall the newspapers when a guy wins an MVP, like you do for championships. But then when it looks like Lamar Jackson is going to win the MVP (after flopping in the playoffs for the second time), you can mention that every time you want to remind people how right you were about him.
Or you can insist that Beckham should be traded, but then when he actually is traded, you can criticize how it was done...
We can go on and on...
Other than that, I'm not remembering anything all that distinct other than falling into the Gettleman sucks group from Day 1 which I don't think has played out yet one way or the other?
Predicted Lamar Jackson success
Was one of the Eli fan boys who saw that his time was over
I’m sure he opposed the solder and other DG signings but don’t have direct memory of that
Going way back, he predicted the saints to win the SB the year that they did.
Like advocating that TJ Hockenson should have been the first round pick for us.
Like saying Garrett was going to be the HC and when we lost out on Rhule, spending the next hour having several posts pointing out how correct that Garrett prediction was.
When a team is doing poorly, it isn't really insightful to say that the team sucks. Nor does saying the if the team had done things differently that the results would be demonstrably different.
The last year has been post upon post saying how terrible the team is, how every move has sucked and how bleak the next several years will be.
That isn't a matter of right vs. wrong, it is just overt pessimism that assumes the people running the team are incompetent and that no decision has been a good one simply because the W/L record has been terrible.
I won't even mention how Indy and Oakland were pointed out as two teams we should emulate. Conveniently pointed out midway through the season when they were in a playoff position.
If you don't like it, don't be wrong.
Or you could be like FMIC and not really state an opinion on the football team at all and only exist to bash other posters on this site.
Or you could be like FMIC and not really state an opinion on the football team at all and only exist to bash other posters on this site.
Well if the optimist crowd wins, everybody wins, right?
and you have the guys who have been dead wrong on the giants of late discussing it. only here... only now... would that happen.
Britt you don't recall Terps being right often because you wont acknowledge being wrong often. its that simple
Well if the optimist crowd wins, everybody wins, right?
And when that time finally comes, I don't for one second doubt that some in that crowd will remind everyone how right they were too...
Take your own advice?
and you have the guys who have been dead wrong on the giants of late discussing it. only here... only now... would that happen.
Britt you don't recall Terps being right often because you wont acknowledge being wrong often. its that simple
Pretty amazing isn't it. Well with him gone, I'm sure we'll get many more threads that put that glue in lieu of mayonnaise.
and you have the guys who have been dead wrong on the giants of late discussing it. only here... only now... would that happen.
Britt you don't recall Terps being right often because you wont acknowledge being wrong often. its that simple
Right, wrong, who gives a shit? What am I wrong about? My opinion? It's a f-cking opinion. That's it. Do I present it as fact? No.
People got sick of it.
That's pretty much the whole story, here. Terps isn't some martyr.
We get it. The Giants are sh-t. The point has been made, and made, and made, and made, and made over again...
Then you have the professional sh-t stirrers that like to go in there and troll for their own amusement, and rile everybody up and then you have what you have here.... a mess.
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Take your own advice?
I'm not sure I follow. Never viewed myself as much of a scorekeeper.
No do I have any problem - ever - taking heat for my opinions. And I never complain about how my viewpoints are attacked, or I'm attacked. To me, it's all part of the participating in the BBI jungle.
Still waiting for that "Eli's revenge tour."
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Well if the optimist crowd wins, everybody wins, right?
And when that time finally comes, I don't for one second doubt that some in that crowd will remind everyone how right they were too...
you mean the shove a shit sandwich down all the haters throat crowd?.....never, haha
People got sick of it.
That's pretty much the whole story, here. Terps isn't some martyr.
Terps is fine. He’s not an asshole. It’s internet tough guys that make this place terrible.
Why is it ok for someone to threaten someone here and then I check their Twitter page and there is not one hint of being that abusive. It’s because he doesn’t get a free pass to write whatever he wants there.
I put up a perfectly reasonable thread last night that I took down because the first thing he did was threaten me on it.
Oddly, they really are some of my favorites to read. ;)
If I don't really state an opinion on the team, why am I classified as a pollyanna or by some fucking lunatics either a paid shill by the team or Dave Gettleman himself?
Still waiting for that "Eli's revenge tour."
Optimism is based on me finding no point to be down on the teams I root for. Being a pessimist doesn’t actually make the team wake up and do things differently, but you guys sure post like it does.
The Giants can go 0-16 next year and I’ll still be optimistic for the 2021 season.
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Or you could be like FMIC and not really state an opinion on the football team at all and only exist to bash other posters on this site.
If I don't really state an opinion on the team, why am I classified as a pollyanna or by some fucking lunatics either a paid shill by the team or Dave Gettleman himself?
You would have to ask the people who made those comments but I’m sure it has to do with attacking posters with a certain view point.
What those guys miss is that you rarely make a counter argument, or discuss the team at all. Just like in this response you only discuss BBI posters.
FatMan in Charlotte : 10:09 am : link : reply
if I put Wentz on Washington or Dak on Washington, would they look good. I think Wentz would. Alex Smith looked good there. I don't think Dak would. He doesn't carry his team.
Wentz has the edge and it isn't slight. He also can't stay healthy though.
I think in 3 years if this question is asked, Jones will be #1.
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/21/2020 5:27 pm : link : reply
he was at a cookout one of my friends hosted a few years back. Really nice guy. He loved playing for Parcells.
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:29 am : link : reply
enough, Quinn's name keeps getting brought up even after the ST units have improved.
That should really be the bizarre part.
FatMan in Charlotte : 9:57 am : link : reply
league is littered with failed HC's who returned to being successful coordinators and position coaches.
A lot of guys aren't cut out to be the head guy.
It isn't like Kitchens has been a failure at his stops.
FatMan in Charlotte : 9:41 am : link : reply
but I'm not sure how it will pan out. JonC is right about the ramifications for Patricia.
The Lions aren't happy with the way Stafford handled his injury this season and some comments he made. Also, the injury is a pretty severe one that is likely to give problems going forward. A lot of back injuries are like that.
I can see a play for another QB, but there will be a short-term hit and I'm not sure Patricia wants to sign up for that.
Could it be that perhaps you just focus on the negative posts, in part because I've called you out before. If you don't like my style, fine. But at least know what the fuck you're talking about.
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do realize that both parts can be true, right??
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Or you could be like FMIC and not really state an opinion on the football team at all and only exist to bash other posters on this site.
If I don't really state an opinion on the team, why am I classified as a pollyanna or by some fucking lunatics either a paid shill by the team or Dave Gettleman himself?
You would have to ask the people who made those comments but I’m sure it has to do with attacking posters with a certain view point.
What those guys miss is that you rarely make a counter argument, or discuss the team at all. Just like in this response you only discuss BBI posters.
I've been making this point about FMiC forever. He attacks posters when they have a certain PoV... Particularly anything negative about the team in general. Then, when the poster's PoV turns out to be correct, his claim is that he never stated the opposing opinion, but just that the poster in question sucked.
Talk about a shit stirrer... And whenever you call him out on it, he complains that you are following him around and trolling him. When of course that is exactly what he does. And there is no need to follow him around to troll him since he leave his turds everywhere on the board.
I'd ask myself..
FatMan in Charlotte : 10:09 am : link : reply
if I put Wentz on Washington or Dak on Washington, would they look good. I think Wentz would. Alex Smith looked good there. I don't think Dak would. He doesn't carry his team.
Wentz has the edge and it isn't slight. He also can't stay healthy though.
I think in 3 years if this question is asked, Jones will be #1.
Great you have an opinion about Eagle players and Cowboy players getting transplanted somehow to the Redskins. Does anybody really care?
That's awesome..
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/21/2020 5:27 pm : link : reply
he was at a cookout one of my friends hosted a few years back. Really nice guy. He loved playing for Parcells.
Good to know you have friends, with your personality I figured that was a longshot.
Interestingly..
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:29 am : link : reply
enough, Quinn's name keeps getting brought up even after the ST units have improved.
That should really be the bizarre part.
No opinion really stated, and really not very interesting at all.
The..
FatMan in Charlotte : 9:57 am : link : reply
league is littered with failed HC's who returned to being successful coordinators and position coaches.
A lot of guys aren't cut out to be the head guy.
It isn't like Kitchens has been a failure at his stops.
Clear a sideways knock against somebody who expressed concerns about Kitchens... and again, no real opinion stated.
There's smoke here..
FatMan in Charlotte : 9:41 am : link : reply
but I'm not sure how it will pan out. JonC is right about the ramifications for Patricia.
The Lions aren't happy with the way Stafford handled his injury this season and some comments he made. Also, the injury is a pretty severe one that is likely to give problems going forward. A lot of back injuries are like that.
I can see a play for another QB, but there will be a short-term hit and I'm not sure Patricia wants to sign up for that.
Something about the Lions, again who really cares. You seam to like to post stuff about other teams... And is there an opinion there. If there is one, its so hedged it's impossible to make out.
Could it be that perhaps you just focus on the negative posts, in part because I've called you out before. If you don't like my style, fine. But at least know what the fuck you're talking about.
Let's face it, for every post like the ones above (which were mostly meaningless), you have 10 posts attacking somebody.
That's a quality exchange, and presumably one of the better reasons to participate in conversation about the team with strangers.
There's nothing more inherently beneficial in being positive or optimistic when discussing the team.
When I read that intimated on threads I think about that guy on here who posts a lot about the Mets and truly believes every offseason was dynamite and it's unequivocally their year. It's definitely a positive outlook, but if for some reason I wanted to learn about the Mets, I wouldn't seek him out.
I *think* most of us want intellectually honest, interesting conversation about the team. When the team keeps losing 10 games a year, is it a surprise a lot of dialogue is negative?
That's a quality exchange, and presumably one of the better reasons to participate in conversation about the team with strangers.
There's nothing more inherently beneficial in being positive or optimistic when discussing the team.
When I read that intimated on threads I think about that guy on here who posts a lot about the Mets and truly believes every offseason was dynamite and it's unequivocally their year. It's definitely a positive outlook, but if for some reason I wanted to learn about the Mets, I wouldn't seek him out.
I *think* most of us want intellectually honest, interesting conversation about the team. When the team keeps losing 10 games a year, is it a surprise a lot of dialogue is negative?
I have been on BBI since year 1. The negativity has increased over time and I don't think it is just due to losing. I think "social media" in general is BIGGER and there are more bully mentalities out there now than in years past. Just my opinion....
I *think* most of us want intellectually honest, interesting conversation about the team. When the team keeps losing 10 games a year, is it a surprise a lot of dialogue is negative?
Well said my friend.
I would like to add that I feel communication is a major ingredient in expressing our views. If I express my view(s) in a manner that presents my view as fact then I have made it difficult for honest conversation, if I express my view with arrogance then I have made it difficult for honest conversation. I think these are factors that we all struggle with at times. I am leaning more so towards a philosophy of taking my time to think through before acting.
I appease personal pride (arrogance) at times which derails conversation. My personal pride is a hindrance to common ground with opposing views. We learn a lot from opposing views (if represented honestly) so I certainly should take an appropriate amount of time to measure what someone is expressing.
To me it seems conversation is treated as a competition frequently which causes an issue with trusting and measuring what the "opponent" is expressing.
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I *think* most of us want intellectually honest, interesting conversation about the team. When the team keeps losing 10 games a year, is it a surprise a lot of dialogue is negative?
Well said my friend.
I would like to add that I feel communication is a major ingredient in expressing our views. If I express my view(s) in a manner that presents my view as fact then I have made it difficult for honest conversation, if I express my view with arrogance then I have made it difficult for honest conversation. I think these are factors that we all struggle with at times. I am leaning more so towards a philosophy of taking my time to think through before acting.
I appease personal pride (arrogance) at times which derails conversation. My personal pride is a hindrance to common ground with opposing views. We learn a lot from opposing views (if represented honestly) so I certainly should take an appropriate amount of time to measure what someone is expressing.
To me it seems conversation is treated as a competition frequently which causes an issue with trusting and measuring what the "opponent" is expressing.
THIS. This is the heart of the matter. Whatever it is you support, if you speak in absolutes and are condescending to the poster you are having the conversation with, is that productive? No.
The poster above who mentioned social media is right. That's the difference. We have a group of people that were raised to communicate on social media, and we have a group of people that were raised on face to face conversation. They are largely clashing here.
That had not occurred to me as ridiculous as that may sound that I was unaware of the significance of growing up where in an age where face to face conversation is on it's way of being viewed as inconvenience
I think Joey probably wouldn't shy from saying that to someone. He's never appeared to be shy or disingenuous. I don't think FMiC would shy from calling someone something condescending if the opportunity presented itself.
I think Terps has a pretty fixed sense of the world. But Britt, read back what you just typed. Can you see how someome could interpret you as staying your opinion as facts?
Is that not a fact? Because I'm 44, and didn't have an email address until I was in college.
I think Joey probably wouldn't shy from saying that to someone. He's never appeared to be shy or disingenuous. I don't think FMiC would shy from calling someone something condescending if the opportunity presented itself.
I think Terps has a pretty fixed sense of the world. But Britt, read back what you just typed. Can you see how someome could interpret you as staying your opinion as facts?
Here's the other thing... Have you met anybody from BBI? Because, while I have not met Joey or Fatman in person, I have met countless others WAY back in the day when we all used to go to training camp in Albany. And there was WAY more vitriol spewed on BBI back in those days. It was like the Wild West compared to now. And some of the most vitriolic posters back then were some of the nicest guys you could meet in person and have a beer with.
But beyond that, you had to walk into a group of 30-40 complete strangers from all walks of life, introduce yourself face to face, and join the conversation. In person.
So you suspect wrong. Because it wasn't like that at all. And that was when it was ME who was in his mid-twenties, interacting with the older posters.
What I didn't do was go in there with some smarmy ass attitude that I was the smartest person in the room, and condemn all others who didn't think like me. THAT's what wouldn't have gone over well in person. And it wouldn't be a big deal, just nobody would want to hang out with you.
imo, the flash point is not use of social media
imo,the flash point is not pessimists vs optimists
imo, the flash point is certainty and arrogance. Not a generational thing at all. Lets use a parallel to this observation from 2400 years ago
The truth is that what goes on in our heads ( the Forms) as humans is not reality. Reality is out there outside our experience. And the only way to get closer to a real picture is to listen to others in the Cave.
Keeping that in mind every day...helps a lot
imo, the flash point is not use of social media
imo,the flash point is not pessimists vs optimists
imo, the flash point is certainty and arrogance. Not a generational thing at all. Lets use a parallel to this observation from 2400 years ago
The truth is that what goes on in our heads ( the Forms) as humans is not reality. Reality is out there outside our experience. And the only way to get closer to a real picture is to listen to others in the Cave.
Keeping that in mind every day...helps a lot
I agree that certainty and arrogance are at the heart of the matter, Bill.
But we have to acknowledge that the way we communicate has evolved, and I think we all understand that words on a screen don't always jive with words spoken directly, lack inflection and emotion, and can sometimes be interpreted not as intended.
But it is what it is, so you just adjust. But there is a softness now that is palpable, especially as the BBI mainstream has grown bigger and bigger...
T-Bone in person was the biggest asshole in the world!!!
I kid I kid.
Just a word of advice, if you ever meet up with CiP, bring a set of snips so you can cut the lock off of his wallet.....
But it is what it is, so you just adjust. But there is a softness now that is palpable, especially as the BBI mainstream has grown bigger and bigger...
Are you not a fan of common courtesy towards others? Serious question.
We are in a population where a portion of posters are here to incite or create multiple handles to steer the dialogue or promote certain narratives. It isn't like in person where the guy you see is the same guy you'll see the next time
The key to "common courtesy" is the common part. Oftentimes, two posters don't have that commonality. You can even see in this thread from responses from ron and McL, that they don't believe I am ever courteous. That is their perception because I've not been courteous TO THEM. You may have a different take. A lot of posters on this site have a different take.
Generally courtesy is given until it is shown that it shouldn't be.
We are in a population where a portion of posters are here to incite or create multiple handles to steer the dialogue or promote certain narratives. It isn't like in person where the guy you see is the same guy you'll see the next time
The key to "common courtesy" is the common part. Oftentimes, two posters don't have that commonality. You can even see in this thread from responses from ron and McL, that they don't believe I am ever courteous. That is their perception because I've not been courteous TO THEM. You may have a different take. A lot of posters on this site have a different take.
Generally courtesy is given until it is shown that it shouldn't be.
Thanks, that gives me something to chew on for a bit.
When I lived in San Francisco I met a ton of BBIers from 2000-2014 at a number of Raider, 9ers games, and bars for games. Probably 50-75. Most of them were everything I'd expected from interacting here. Lots of really great guys and a few who were a little much with their opinions.
No one surprised me, and no one was dramatically different.
Is there nuance and subtlety lost when typing versus in-person? Sure. But I don't buy there is some generational divide that makes those who came of age before social media better communicators on or offline.
But whatever man, I'm not a mod. Post how you want.
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BBI in the ‘90s was raw and unplugged. Very Darwinistic. It was so much better than today’s PC version of BBI.
But it is what it is, so you just adjust. But there is a softness now that is palpable, especially as the BBI mainstream has grown bigger and bigger...
Are you not a fan of common courtesy towards others? Serious question.
In general? Sure.
Do I expect it around here? I don't. But I accept those terms and manage around it.
Generally courtesy is given until it is shown that it shouldn't be.
Too bad you don't live by this quote.
You're criteria for being courteous is based on whether or not in your view the opinion is critical of the team, or oddly enough, if somebody expresses an opinion and tries to back that opinion with with something more than just blurting it out.
You will notice that there really isn't anybody on this board that I am generally discourteous towards other than you. But, to illustrate the kind of cancer you promote, I have been sharp with crick in the past. In my head, I felt that he had been discourteous towards me in the past. When I looked back I realized why. He has never been directly discourteous, but he has supported you on a few occasions where you were being particularly vile. Googs pointed out to me that he found crick to generally be a thoughtful/introspective poster, and watching him more carefully I agree with Googs. I still don't have a warm fuzzy about him, because he supported some of your vitriol, but, he doesn't deserve being lumped in with you. The way you behave impacts the way others behave, and the way others are perceived. It generally lowers the civility of the discourse, it inhibits honest debate and divides people.
When I express opinions, especially ones that I expect will be somewhat controversial or debatable, I try to provide information that supports my opinion. For example, in this thread, I did the math on how much draft capital based on the draft value chart has actually been spent on the oline. It is things like that which inform my opinion, so I provide it.
When you provide an opinion with supporting information, it makes it much harder to argue an alternative opinion. Not impossible but harder. I think that offends some people and they feel their opinion is being shut out. They feel that I am posting with "certainty" or being "arrogant". But when you read what I write, my opinions are either clearly stated as such, or stated with some caveat. It happened on this thread with a poster whom I generally like and respect. What it means is that it raises the bar for the debate, and if you disagree, it likely means you have to be able to show that the support or evidence isn't valid, and that is a much tougher thing to do, especially if you haven't researched the the evidence being used. Its easier to just attack the poster and claim that they are posting with certainty or arrogance. I am saying this from my personal experience, but, I see others on this site that also use evidence to support their opinions, and I see them being treated the same way in response. It is what it is, but I thought I would throw that out there.