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Daniel Jeremiah chimes in about NFL draft

Pheonix Orion : 1/19/2020 9:17 pm
Says draft starts with Detroit as Cinci as an organziation almost never trades in round 1 and will 99.99% take Burrow themselves. Young as almost a definite in Washington.

Thinks Detroit is where it gets interesting as teams picking 5,6,and 7 (and possibly 9 with Jags) all want a QB. And teams are still very high on Tua despite the injury. Of course they want to see positive progress but teams dont think its a career threatener like some originally speculated.

Ideal in my opinion is if Det picks there and we trade down to 5,6 or 7. Picking up another 2020 high pick.

Like Okudah a lot but NYG may not want top 2 CBs to be a 1st and 2nd year player. We may go the vet route here as FA will have a good amount of decent CBs. Wonder if an OT will rank high enough there.


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bw in dc : 1/19/2020 10:34 pm : link
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We have to root for Herbert to have a monster combine.


He will. I expect him to run 4.45ish.
If anything, I can see the Skins taking Okudah,  
barens : 1/19/2020 10:35 pm : link
Itís a position of greater need, it just depends on where they have him ranked.
RE: He's an OLT  
Pheonix Orion : 1/19/2020 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14786405 RAIN said:
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btw.. If Brandon Jacobs was an offensive tackle. Mekai Becton, OT Louisville - ( New Window )


That guy looks like a monster. Jeremiah also said he was a beast that no one is talking about YET. Can he pass block?
Detroit  
ghost718 : 1/19/2020 10:42 pm : link
Could see Okudah(more so than us),Epenesa,maybe even WR.

Take it back to Matt Millen
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allstarjim : 1/19/2020 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14786415 bw in dc said:
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We have to root for Herbert to have a monster combine.



He will. I expect him to run 4.45ish.


No, he won't. He'll run no faster than 4.6, and 4.7 is very realistic. 4.45 isn't happening, that's a fairy tale.
RE: Nightmare scenario would be Young and Simmons are off the board  
allstarjim : 1/19/2020 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14786395 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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before the Giants are on the clock at 4. I know Okudah is another popular name on here but I just worry taking a CB so high unless heís the next Deion Sanders, and he didnít necessarily shut Tee Higgins down in the semi-final game.

The Giants desperately need an elite playmaker on defense, and Young and Simmons seem to be the two in this draft that could become that.


That's actually a DREAM scenario, because that would mean Tua is still on the board, and we would be getting offers from teams wanting to jump Miami. We'd be able to trade down and get a lot of help for OL, where there should be value.
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Ira : 1/19/2020 10:48 pm : link
In comment 14786431 allstarjim said:
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We have to root for Herbert to have a monster combine.



He will. I expect him to run 4.45ish.



No, he won't. He'll run no faster than 4.6, and 4.7 is very realistic. 4.45 isn't happening, that's a fairy tale.


I think Beckham ran a 4.42 or 4.43. I haven't seem much of Herbert, but I don't think he's in Beckham's neighborhood speed-wise.
Washington  
Archer : 1/19/2020 10:51 pm : link
I think that Washington might trade out of # 2
Miami might want to make certain that they can get Tua

That will make the 3rd and 4th picks in play
In this scenario teams know that they will have to trade up if they want a premium QB

It is possible that Detroit trades out of #3 to a team that covets Hebert

That would put the Giants in the enviable position to run to the podium for Young
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Nine-Tails : 1/19/2020 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14786415 bw in dc said:
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We have to root for Herbert to have a monster combine.



He will. I expect him to run 4.45ish.


That's insane. Close to RGIII and better than Wilson. No way he gets that I'd think
RE: Washington  
allstarjim : 1/19/2020 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14786437 Archer said:
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I think that Washington might trade out of # 2
Miami might want to make certain that they can get Tua

That will make the 3rd and 4th picks in play
In this scenario teams know that they will have to trade up if they want a premium QB

It is possible that Detroit trades out of #3 to a team that covets Hebert

That would put the Giants in the enviable position to run to the podium for Young


Pass me what you're smoking. The problem is, Herbert isn't good enough to trade up to the top of the draft.

The other problem would be why would teams want to Jump the Giants and Washington for the third best QB (presumably) in the draft?

Once you get past Burrow and Tua, I think you have plenty of QBs that are close enough that one of them will fall to you. Eason, Fromm, Jordan Love...in this draft, you trade up for the elite guys but they are a lot of talented QBs in the next tier. I personally don't have Herbert as an elite prospect.
I think the Lions are trading out...  
Torrag : 1/19/2020 11:23 pm : link
unless they're scared by Stafford's back injury. Either way though Tua QB is going #3. We'll be looking at Okudah/Jeudy/Simmons/OT of choice/trade down.

I have to say the only ones I'd be 'disappointed' by would be taking Jeudy or an OT for different reasons. To me WR is a luxury pick until your O-line and Pass rush are set...ours aren't. As far as the OT's I'm not sold that any are Top 5 blue chip prospects.
RE: I think the Lions are trading out...  
Pheonix Orion : 1/19/2020 11:46 pm : link
In comment 14786455 Torrag said:
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unless they're scared by Stafford's back injury. Either way though Tua QB is going #3. We'll be looking at Okudah/Jeudy/Simmons/OT of choice/trade down.

I have to say the only ones I'd be 'disappointed' by would be taking Jeudy or an OT for different reasons. To me WR is a luxury pick until your O-line and Pass rush are set...ours aren't. As far as the OT's I'm not sold that any are Top 5 blue chip prospects.


Wirfs might surprise he's extremely athletic. Also Jeremiah is in love with Becton as a top 10 pick.
Miami at 5 has less incentive to trade to 4 than the teams behind them  
81_Great_Dane : 1/19/2020 11:50 pm : link
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Ideal in my opinion is if Det picks there and we trade down to 5,6 or 7. Picking up another 2020 high pick.


Giants are at 4. The Dolphins figure the Giants won't draft a QB. So if the Dolphins want Tua, they sit tight. UNLESS:

1) The Giants take Tua to trade him. That could happen. Gmen could take him then start taking offers. At that point, the Giants could basically have a little auction: A top-10 pick and whatever the other guys can offer. But this feels un-Giants-like unless the trade is mostly in place in advance, like the Giants drafting Rivers to trade him for Eli.

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2) The Dolphins are afraid the Chargers or Panthers will leapfrog them. and decide to take no chances.
RE: Miami at 5 has less incentive to trade to 4 than the teams behind them  
Pheonix Orion : 1/19/2020 11:57 pm : link
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Ideal in my opinion is if Det picks there and we trade down to 5,6 or 7. Picking up another 2020 high pick.



Giants are at 4. The Dolphins figure the Giants won't draft a QB. So if the Dolphins want Tua, they sit tight. UNLESS:

1) The Giants take Tua to trade him. That could happen. Gmen could take him then start taking offers. At that point, the Giants could basically have a little auction: A top-10 pick and whatever the other guys can offer. But this feels un-Giants-like unless the trade is mostly in place in advance, like the Giants drafting Rivers to trade him for Eli.

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2) The Dolphins are afraid the Chargers or Panthers will leapfrog them. and decide to take no chances.


We call Miami and tell them we have a strong offer from LA or Car. If they want Tua they need to give us pick 18 or 26.
RE: RE: Miami at 5 has less incentive to trade to 4 than the teams behind them  
Giants38 : 1/20/2020 12:28 am : link
In comment 14786466 Pheonix Orion said:
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Ideal in my opinion is if Det picks there and we trade down to 5,6 or 7. Picking up another 2020 high pick.



Giants are at 4. The Dolphins figure the Giants won't draft a QB. So if the Dolphins want Tua, they sit tight. UNLESS:

1) The Giants take Tua to trade him. That could happen. Gmen could take him then start taking offers. At that point, the Giants could basically have a little auction: A top-10 pick and whatever the other guys can offer. But this feels un-Giants-like unless the trade is mostly in place in advance, like the Giants drafting Rivers to trade him for Eli.

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2) The Dolphins are afraid the Chargers or Panthers will leapfrog them. and decide to take no chances.



We call Miami and tell them we have a strong offer from LA or Car. If they want Tua they need to give us pick 18 or 26.


Wait, you expect Gettleman, who instructed his staff not to pick up the phone to even listen to offers two years ago to not only seek to trade down, but make calls to do it? This one year after he held a press conference saying he did not shop the ODB offer he had from CLE because if you are the one making the calls it compromises your negotiating power?

And Herbert is not running a 4.45. That is approaching Murray and Lamar Jackson territory, even though neither one ran the 40. Herbert will likely be in that 4.6 or 4.7 range, so long as his technique is not sloppy and he is in shape for the Combine. I think he's faster than Burrow.

It is highly unlikely that he will turn out that way, but Herbert offers a Mahomes-like skill set. Fast, cannon arm, and he is huge. He could easily vault to top 5 territory.
RE: RE: I think the Lions are trading out...  
tyrik13 : 1/20/2020 12:30 am : link
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unless they're scared by Stafford's back injury. Either way though Tua QB is going #3. We'll be looking at Okudah/Jeudy/Simmons/OT of choice/trade down.

I have to say the only ones I'd be 'disappointed' by would be taking Jeudy or an OT for different reasons. To me WR is a luxury pick until your O-line and Pass rush are set...ours aren't. As far as the OT's I'm not sold that any are Top 5 blue chip prospects.



Wirfs might surprise he's extremely athletic. Also Jeremiah is in love with Becton as a top 10 pick.


I agree with the Wirfs mention, kid has LT/RT ability written all over him and is plug and play day 1 at RT imho, heís a bully in the run game with extremely quick feet. That being said, heís the only one Iíd consider at 4 at the moment. Iíve seen Becton in one game and he impressed so now Iíve gotta go back and watch more tape on him. Imo itís either Simmons or Okudah at 4 if theyíre there. If Chase Young somehow magically falls to 4, thatís a no brainer run to the podium ASAP move but I highly doubt that happens unless Rivera likes Simmons more, which is a real good possibility given that they have some young talented ends theyíve drafted in recent years who seem to be on the upswing. Also could see Okudah here because they need a DB
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tyrik13 : 1/20/2020 12:33 am : link
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Ideal in my opinion is if Det picks there and we trade down to 5,6 or 7. Picking up another 2020 high pick.



Giants are at 4. The Dolphins figure the Giants won't draft a QB. So if the Dolphins want Tua, they sit tight. UNLESS:

1) The Giants take Tua to trade him. That could happen. Gmen could take him then start taking offers. At that point, the Giants could basically have a little auction: A top-10 pick and whatever the other guys can offer. But this feels un-Giants-like unless the trade is mostly in place in advance, like the Giants drafting Rivers to trade him for Eli.

OR:

2) The Dolphins are afraid the Chargers or Panthers will leapfrog them. and decide to take no chances.



We call Miami and tell them we have a strong offer from LA or Car. If they want Tua they need to give us pick 18 or 26.



Wait, you expect Gettleman, who instructed his staff not to pick up the phone to even listen to offers two years ago to not only seek to trade down, but make calls to do it? This one year after he held a press conference saying he did not shop the ODB offer he had from CLE because if you are the one making the calls it compromises your negotiating power?

And Herbert is not running a 4.45. That is approaching Murray and Lamar Jackson territory, even though neither one ran the 40. Herbert will likely be in that 4.6 or 4.7 range, so long as his technique is not sloppy and he is in shape for the Combine. I think he's faster than Burrow.

It is highly unlikely that he will turn out that way, but Herbert offers a Mahomes-like skill set. Fast, cannon arm, and he is huge. He could easily vault to top 5 territory.


Mahomes isnít overly fast, heís just smart when running. Also, Mahomes not only the cannon arm, but the ability to make throws at different angles, Herbert doesnít have that skill
RE: Nightmare scenario would be Young and Simmons are off the board  
cokeduplt : 1/20/2020 12:38 am : link
In comment 14786395 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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before the Giants are on the clock at 4. I know Okudah is another popular name on here but I just worry taking a CB so high unless heís the next Deion Sanders, and he didnít necessarily shut Tee Higgins down in the semi-final game.

The Giants desperately need an elite playmaker on defense, and Young and Simmons seem to be the two in this draft that could become that.


No it wouldnít it would leave the giants to be able to trade down with someone looking for Tua
'Wirfs might surprise he's extremely athletic.'  
Torrag : 1/20/2020 12:40 am : link
I've been watching every clip I can find on Wirfs even watched some wrestling stuff. I don't see 'extremely athletic'. He's big, long, strong and uses leverage well. Good 'first step' and punch. The feet and overall agility looks average to me and his core bend looks tight. He looks better to me run blocking than in pass protection.

For me all these OT's are bunched up and none makes the grade as a Top 5 pick.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Miami at 5 has less incentive to trade to 4 than the teams behind them  
Giants38 : 1/20/2020 12:51 am : link
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Ideal in my opinion is if Det picks there and we trade down to 5,6 or 7. Picking up another 2020 high pick.



Giants are at 4. The Dolphins figure the Giants won't draft a QB. So if the Dolphins want Tua, they sit tight. UNLESS:

1) The Giants take Tua to trade him. That could happen. Gmen could take him then start taking offers. At that point, the Giants could basically have a little auction: A top-10 pick and whatever the other guys can offer. But this feels un-Giants-like unless the trade is mostly in place in advance, like the Giants drafting Rivers to trade him for Eli.

OR:

2) The Dolphins are afraid the Chargers or Panthers will leapfrog them. and decide to take no chances.



We call Miami and tell them we have a strong offer from LA or Car. If they want Tua they need to give us pick 18 or 26.



Wait, you expect Gettleman, who instructed his staff not to pick up the phone to even listen to offers two years ago to not only seek to trade down, but make calls to do it? This one year after he held a press conference saying he did not shop the ODB offer he had from CLE because if you are the one making the calls it compromises your negotiating power?

And Herbert is not running a 4.45. That is approaching Murray and Lamar Jackson territory, even though neither one ran the 40. Herbert will likely be in that 4.6 or 4.7 range, so long as his technique is not sloppy and he is in shape for the Combine. I think he's faster than Burrow.

It is highly unlikely that he will turn out that way, but Herbert offers a Mahomes-like skill set. Fast, cannon arm, and he is huge. He could easily vault to top 5 territory.



Mahomes isnít overly fast, heís just smart when running. Also, Mahomes not only the cannon arm, but the ability to make throws at different angles, Herbert doesnít have that skill


You have no disagreement from me that Mahomes can make throws at different angles that Herbert cannot. I do believe that teams will be looking to trade up for Tua and/or Herbert. I have no doubt about Tua. Herbert is more of a wild card, but he was in the running for a top 5 pick last year. Teams will be looking to move up to get Herbert this year, I believe.
RE: RE: RE: Miami at 5 has less incentive to trade to 4 than the teams behind them  
section125 : 1/20/2020 6:49 am : link
In comment 14786477 Giants38 said:
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Wait, you expect Gettleman, who instructed his staff not to pick up the phone to even listen to offers two years ago to not only seek to trade down, but make calls to do it? This one year after he held a press conference saying he did not shop the ODB offer he had from CLE because if you are the one making the calls it compromises your negotiating power?



#1 - He wanted Barkley. What is there to understand? I'll say it again - He wanted Barkley. That is the guy he wanted why would he listen to offers when there wasn't another player he wanted more in that draft?

#2 - He is right on the 1st call to trade a player unless you want to get rid of the player so badly that you do not care what you get. Calling another team to trade a player rumored to be on the block dispels any notion that you even remotely want to keep him and the price goes down.
RE: I think the Lions are trading out...  
Diver_Down : 1/20/2020 7:11 am : link
In comment 14786455 Torrag said:
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unless they're scared by Stafford's back injury. ...


I think Detroit is a wildcard in the QB sweepstakes. Stafford isn't getting any younger and the injuries are taking their toll. They need to realize that the opportunity to pick in the top 3 might not come again (they hope). Stafford isn't going to be the guy that can put the hardware in the trophy case especially with that ridiculous contract. Speaking of which, 2020 can and should be the last year in Detroit as there is a $10M roster bonus due on the 5th day of the league year in 2021. Releasing or trading him before the roster bonus is due only will eat $13M in dead cap.

They need to do their homework on the prospects and if Tua's medicals check out, they should take him and Stafford would serve as the bridge. When they are out of the playoff race, then Tua can take over.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Miami at 5 has less incentive to trade to 4 than the teams behind them  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2020 7:43 am : link
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Wait, you expect Gettleman, who instructed his staff not to pick up the phone to even listen to offers two years ago to not only seek to trade down, but make calls to do it? This one year after he held a press conference saying he did not shop the ODB offer he had from CLE because if you are the one making the calls it compromises your negotiating power?





#1 - He wanted Barkley. What is there to understand? I'll say it again - He wanted Barkley. That is the guy he wanted why would he listen to offers when there wasn't another player he wanted more in that draft?


because you should always listen...
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HMunster : 1/20/2020 7:56 am : link
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Wait, you expect Gettleman, who instructed his staff not to pick up the phone to even listen to offers two years ago to not only seek to trade down, but make calls to do it? This one year after he held a press conference saying he did not shop the ODB offer he had from CLE because if you are the one making the calls it compromises your negotiating power?





#1 - He wanted Barkley. What is there to understand? I'll say it again - He wanted Barkley. That is the guy he wanted why would he listen to offers when there wasn't another player he wanted more in that draft?




because you should always listen...


There are two sides to everything. Listening when you're not going to accept the offer is misleading other teams. Risks ruining relationships for future deals. Plus, then the word gets out that the Giants were offered 2 #1's plus a #2 or whatever and they turned it down. Then you get every NY media a$$hat arguing what they should have done. Barkley is truly special a la Barry, Faulk, Emmitt, etc. If you have conviction that this is the player you want, it makes sense to simply take him and not go through the whole negotiation thing.

And just because Gettleman did that 2 years ago, why would you assume he'd do the same thing this year? There's no player in this year's draft like Barkley at #4, unless you count Young. Then it's a legitimate discussion re: if Young falls to #4 (very unlikely), do you take him or trade for a king's ransom in picks.
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BlueVinnie : 1/20/2020 8:54 am : link
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There are two sides to everything. Listening when you're not going to accept the offer is misleading other teams. Risks ruining relationships for future deals. Plus, then the word gets out that the Giants were offered 2 #1's plus a #2 or whatever and they turned it down. Then you get every NY media a$$hat arguing what they should have done. Barkley is truly special a la Barry, Faulk, Emmitt, etc. If you have conviction that this is the player you want, it makes sense to simply take him and not go through the whole negotiation thing.



This is so wrong...
You always listen. You never know what kind of offer is out there.
Hmunster  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2020 8:58 am : link
Disagree even moreso now based on your comments...
RE: Miami at 5 has less incentive to trade to 4 than the teams behind them  
blueblood : 1/20/2020 9:05 am : link
In comment 14786465 81_Great_Dane said:
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1) The Giants take Tua to trade him. That could happen. Gmen could take him then start taking offers. At that point, the Giants could basically have a little auction: A top-10 pick and whatever the other guys can offer. But this feels un-Giants-like unless the trade is mostly in place in advance, like the Giants drafting Rivers to trade him for Eli.



You cant do this anymore. You cant immediately trade drafted players.
The..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/20/2020 9:07 am : link
problem with "listening" is that it seems to lead to believing.

How often do we have to see it posted as fact that Gettleman refused to take calls or didn't shop deals? A lot. why? Because people supposedly listened to one thing and ignored the rest.

That's worked out just fucking dandy for this board.
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/20/2020 9:11 am : link
When did this happen?

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You cant do this anymore. You cant immediately trade drafted players.
RE: The..  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2020 9:13 am : link
In comment 14786634 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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problem with "listening" is that it seems to lead to believing.

How often do we have to see it posted as fact that Gettleman refused to take calls or didn't shop deals? A lot. why? Because people supposedly listened to one thing and ignored the rest.

That's worked out just fucking dandy for this board.


Giants fans need to realize thay Washinton and Detroit  
blueblood : 1/20/2020 9:14 am : link
are far more in the drivers seat that the Giants. I doubt Washington trades down from #2 unless Miami does something like give up all three of their first round picks..

I think Washington stays put and takes Chase Young. Detroit makes the most sense for a trade down for Miami.. They get to move down a few spots.. pick up some draft capital and wind up taking someone they had very highly rated anyway..







If I'm Detroit  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/20/2020 9:18 am : link
I'm taking a QB -- just saying. Stafford is not the answer.
Ron Rivera  
Gruber : 1/20/2020 9:52 am : link
Actually, you could argue that a dark horse in all this is Ron Rivera. He gave an endorsement of sorts to Dwayne Haskins, but it certainly left room for a bailing out should he be blown away by Tua. He talked about quarterbacks needing to be leaders, and you have to wonder if Haskins has those qualities.
Unfortunately, if Washington did draft Tua, it's almost nailed on that Detroit would take Chase Young.
The only problem with listening  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2020 9:57 am : link
is usually the ďto whomĒ part...
RE: Ron Rivera  
Mike in NY : 1/20/2020 9:57 am : link
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Actually, you could argue that a dark horse in all this is Ron Rivera. He gave an endorsement of sorts to Dwayne Haskins, but it certainly left room for a bailing out should he be blown away by Tua. He talked about quarterbacks needing to be leaders, and you have to wonder if Haskins has those qualities.
Unfortunately, if Washington did draft Tua, it's almost nailed on that Detroit would take Chase Young.


That isn't necessarily a bad thing becuase it could decrease the supply of QB's at #4 and potentially net the Giants more in a trade down. Ideally for the Giants, as many QB's as possible get selected before they pick especially if they decide to trade down.
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HMunster : 1/20/2020 10:14 am : link
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This is so wrong...
You always listen. You never know what kind of offer is out there.

Obviously I disagree. I think in theory you're right, but in certain cases, it's not necessarily the right move.

Say you have the #1 pick and you need a QB. Say it's 1989 and Aikman is there. Or it's 1998 and it's Peyton. As GM you've done the research and are locked on a QB as your #1 pick - which could significantly alter your team's future for the next decade. I'd much rather my GM focus on the rest of the draft then a) waste time listening to offers, and b) worse, accepting a king's ransom of lower picks which may or may not work out and passing on a future HoF QB.

GM's know significantly more than we do about players. If you sincerely believe that drafting X player will significantly impact your team for years to come, I understand sticking by that conviction and focusing your attention on the rest of the draft.

In Gettleman's case, he clearly felt Barkley was the second coming of Sanders / Faulk (drafted #3 / #2 respectively). Argue whether it was the right move or not, but I don't fault him for sticking to his convictions and not getting swayed by an extra 3rd round pick.
Even though media threw shade on Tua after the injury  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 10:25 am : link
Still think when all is said and done he goes top 5 provided the prognosis of recovery remains promising. The body of work is just too good at Alabama and he has all the makeup and intangibles that you want in a QB.

Herbert's bit of a wildcard... too much up and down but it just takes one QB desperate team to want to take gamble on upside. Is he a 2nd round QB like Lock or will a team pull the trigger earlier...
So hmunster  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2020 11:05 am : link
You donít think DG is capable of listening to offers AND focus on rest of the draft?

Hide the chewing gum...
You can only trade down if someone wants to trade up  
Reale01 : 1/20/2020 11:59 am : link
They will only trade up if a player they want is available when you pick. Most of us have focused on QB. Someone may want to trade up for Simmons, the Ohio State DB, or maybe even the DT from Auburn. I hope we can trade down and get the picks needed to get two of the top six OTs in the draft.
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BlueVinnie : 1/20/2020 12:09 pm : link
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This is so wrong...
You always listen. You never know what kind of offer is out there.


Obviously I disagree. I think in theory you're right, but in certain cases, it's not necessarily the right move.

Say you have the #1 pick and you need a QB. Say it's 1989 and Aikman is there. Or it's 1998 and it's Peyton. As GM you've done the research and are locked on a QB as your #1 pick - which could significantly alter your team's future for the next decade. I'd much rather my GM focus on the rest of the draft then a) waste time listening to offers, and b) worse, accepting a king's ransom of lower picks which may or may not work out and passing on a future HoF QB.

GM's know significantly more than we do about players. If you sincerely believe that drafting X player will significantly impact your team for years to come, I understand sticking by that conviction and focusing your attention on the rest of the draft.

In Gettleman's case, he clearly felt Barkley was the second coming of Sanders / Faulk (drafted #3 / #2 respectively). Argue whether it was the right move or not, but I don't fault him for sticking to his convictions and not getting swayed by an extra 3rd round pick.


Munster really - waste time listening to draft offers? It's only 10 minutes. You have your guy targeted, you listen to any offers that are out there and make your decision. It's 10 minutes! Assuming you don't trade and you have only one 1st round pick, you're not picking again for about 24 hours.

If simply listening to trade offers will throw off your GM's ability to focus on the rest of the draft, you clearly have a GM with some issues.
Plus on draft day your draft board is done  
allstarjim : 1/20/2020 1:38 pm : link
There's nothing to focus on when you're on the clock except to take calls or take the player who is highest on your board or decide who is going to be the pick in case of a tie. There's literally no reason not to listen.
RE: Plus on draft day your draft board is done  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14787094 allstarjim said:
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There's nothing to focus on when you're on the clock except to take calls or take the player who is highest on your board or decide who is going to be the pick in case of a tie. There's literally no reason not to listen.


Team screaming for QB will pay a kings ransom. 5,6,7 if one of those teams also like Herbert in addition to Tua, NYG could still cash in by only trading down a couple spots . Going to be a very interesting draft starting with what happens at 3 with DET.
RE: Giants fans need to realize thay Washinton and Detroit  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14786640 blueblood said:
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are far more in the drivers seat that the Giants. I doubt Washington trades down from #2 unless Miami does something like give up all three of their first round picks..

I think Washington stays put and takes Chase Young. Detroit makes the most sense for a trade down for Miami.. They get to move down a few spots.. pick up some draft capital and wind up taking someone they had very highly rated anyway..








Only way they don't is if they also want the QB or if somehow they absolutely love Simmons, Okudah or Brown and think we take one of those guys.

RE: Even though media threw shade on Tua after the injury  
mdc1 : 1/20/2020 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14786772 Pheonix Orion said:
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Still think when all is said and done he goes top 5 provided the prognosis of recovery remains promising. The body of work is just too good at Alabama and he has all the makeup and intangibles that you want in a QB.

Herbert's bit of a wildcard... too much up and down but it just takes one QB desperate team to want to take gamble on upside. Is he a 2nd round QB like Lock or will a team pull the trigger earlier...


Herbert looks more like the bust kind to me. Looks stiff and mechanical.
RE: Ron Rivera  
mdc1 : 1/20/2020 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14786730 Gruber said:
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Actually, you could argue that a dark horse in all this is Ron Rivera. He gave an endorsement of sorts to Dwayne Haskins, but it certainly left room for a bailing out should he be blown away by Tua. He talked about quarterbacks needing to be leaders, and you have to wonder if Haskins has those qualities.
Unfortunately, if Washington did draft Tua, it's almost nailed on that Detroit would take Chase Young.


Haskins the guy that was talking to fans and missed getting back into the game on time? That is leadership right there. lol
RE: RE: Even though media threw shade on Tua after the injury  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 8:41 pm : link
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Still think when all is said and done he goes top 5 provided the prognosis of recovery remains promising. The body of work is just too good at Alabama and he has all the makeup and intangibles that you want in a QB.

Herbert's bit of a wildcard... too much up and down but it just takes one QB desperate team to want to take gamble on upside. Is he a 2nd round QB like Lock or will a team pull the trigger earlier...



Herbert looks more like the bust kind to me. Looks stiff and mechanical.


You are right but he has a ton of tools and it takes just one team to believe in coaching him up.
Mekai Becton  
JPinstripes : 1/21/2020 4:00 am : link
is an absolute monster OL and when it's all said and done I can see him as someone in the conversation with NYG at pick 4.
RE: RE: RE: Iím not writing that in pen quite yet  
Jay in Toronto : 1/21/2020 8:23 am : link
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I do think there is a chance the Redskins take Simmons over Young



Zero chance.



Yep no way. If they donít take Young they will trade out to someone that will. Young is going second. Period


Unless Young went to HS with one of the kids of the owner.
RE: If I'm Detroit  
Jay in Toronto : 1/21/2020 8:25 am : link
In comment 14786648 gidiefor said:
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I'm taking a QB -- just saying. Stafford is not the answer.


Or take Lawrence next year.
RE: Mekai Becton  
Pheonix Orion : 1/21/2020 9:36 am : link
In comment 14787722 JPinstripes said:
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is an absolute monster OL and when it's all said and done I can see him as someone in the conversation with NYG at pick 4.


As most years there will be some surprise risers that crack the top 10 and even top 5. Mekhi may be one of them.
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