Daniel Jeremiah chimes in about NFL draft

In comment 14786730 Gruber said:

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Actually, you could argue that a dark horse in all this is Ron Rivera. He gave an endorsement of sorts to Dwayne Haskins, but it certainly left room for a bailing out should he be blown away by Tua. He talked about quarterbacks needing to be leaders, and you have to wonder if Haskins has those qualities. Unfortunately, if Washington did draft Tua, it's almost nailed on that Detroit would take Chase Young.

That isn't necessarily a bad thing becuase it could decrease the supply of QB's at #4 and potentially net the Giants more in a trade down. Ideally for the Giants, as many QB's as possible get selected before they pick especially if they decide to trade down.

In comment 14786621 BlueVinnie said:

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In comment 14786563 HMunster said: This is so wrong... You always listen. You never know what kind of offer is out there.

Obviously I disagree. I think in theory you're right, but in certain cases, it's not necessarily the right move.

Say you have the #1 pick and you need a QB. Say it's 1989 and Aikman is there. Or it's 1998 and it's Peyton. As GM you've done the research and are locked on a QB as your #1 pick - which could significantly alter your team's future for the next decade. I'd much rather my GM focus on the rest of the draft then a) waste time listening to offers, and b) worse, accepting a king's ransom of lower picks which may or may not work out and passing on a future HoF QB.

GM's know significantly more than we do about players. If you sincerely believe that drafting X player will significantly impact your team for years to come, I understand sticking by that conviction and focusing your attention on the rest of the draft.

In Gettleman's case, he clearly felt Barkley was the second coming of Sanders / Faulk (drafted #3 / #2 respectively). Argue whether it was the right move or not, but I don't fault him for sticking to his convictions and not getting swayed by an extra 3rd round pick.

Still think when all is said and done he goes top 5 provided the prognosis of recovery remains promising. The body of work is just too good at Alabama and he has all the makeup and intangibles that you want in a QB.

Herbert's bit of a wildcard... too much up and down but it just takes one QB desperate team to want to take gamble on upside. Is he a 2nd round QB like Lock or will a team pull the trigger earlier...

You don’t think DG is capable of listening to offers AND focus on rest of the draft?

Hide the chewing gum...

They will only trade up if a player they want is available when you pick. Most of us have focused on QB. Someone may want to trade up for Simmons, the Ohio State DB, or maybe even the DT from Auburn. I hope we can trade down and get the picks needed to get two of the top six OTs in the draft.

In comment 14786760 HMunster said:

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In comment 14786621 BlueVinnie said: Quote: In comment 14786563 HMunster said: This is so wrong... You always listen. You never know what kind of offer is out there. Obviously I disagree. I think in theory you're right, but in certain cases, it's not necessarily the right move. Say you have the #1 pick and you need a QB. Say it's 1989 and Aikman is there. Or it's 1998 and it's Peyton. As GM you've done the research and are locked on a QB as your #1 pick - which could significantly alter your team's future for the next decade. I'd much rather my GM focus on the rest of the draft then a) waste time listening to offers, and b) worse, accepting a king's ransom of lower picks which may or may not work out and passing on a future HoF QB. GM's know significantly more than we do about players. If you sincerely believe that drafting X player will significantly impact your team for years to come, I understand sticking by that conviction and focusing your attention on the rest of the draft. In Gettleman's case, he clearly felt Barkley was the second coming of Sanders / Faulk (drafted #3 / #2 respectively). Argue whether it was the right move or not, but I don't fault him for sticking to his convictions and not getting swayed by an extra 3rd round pick.

Munster really - waste time listening to draft offers? It's only 10 minutes. You have your guy targeted, you listen to any offers that are out there and make your decision. It's 10 minutes! Assuming you don't trade and you have only one 1st round pick, you're not picking again for about 24 hours.

If simply listening to trade offers will throw off your GM's ability to focus on the rest of the draft, you clearly have a GM with some issues.

There's nothing to focus on when you're on the clock except to take calls or take the player who is highest on your board or decide who is going to be the pick in case of a tie. There's literally no reason not to listen.

In comment 14787094 allstarjim said:

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There's nothing to focus on when you're on the clock except to take calls or take the player who is highest on your board or decide who is going to be the pick in case of a tie. There's literally no reason not to listen.

Team screaming for QB will pay a kings ransom. 5,6,7 if one of those teams also like Herbert in addition to Tua, NYG could still cash in by only trading down a couple spots . Going to be a very interesting draft starting with what happens at 3 with DET.

In comment 14786640 blueblood said:

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are far more in the drivers seat that the Giants. I doubt Washington trades down from #2 unless Miami does something like give up all three of their first round picks.. I think Washington stays put and takes Chase Young. Detroit makes the most sense for a trade down for Miami.. They get to move down a few spots.. pick up some draft capital and wind up taking someone they had very highly rated anyway..

Only way they don't is if they also want the QB or if somehow they absolutely love Simmons, Okudah or Brown and think we take one of those guys.

In comment 14786772 Pheonix Orion said:

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Still think when all is said and done he goes top 5 provided the prognosis of recovery remains promising. The body of work is just too good at Alabama and he has all the makeup and intangibles that you want in a QB. Herbert's bit of a wildcard... too much up and down but it just takes one QB desperate team to want to take gamble on upside. Is he a 2nd round QB like Lock or will a team pull the trigger earlier...

Herbert looks more like the bust kind to me. Looks stiff and mechanical.

In comment 14786730 Gruber said:

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Actually, you could argue that a dark horse in all this is Ron Rivera. He gave an endorsement of sorts to Dwayne Haskins, but it certainly left room for a bailing out should he be blown away by Tua. He talked about quarterbacks needing to be leaders, and you have to wonder if Haskins has those qualities. Unfortunately, if Washington did draft Tua, it's almost nailed on that Detroit would take Chase Young.

Haskins the guy that was talking to fans and missed getting back into the game on time? That is leadership right there. lol

In comment 14787368 mdc1 said:

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In comment 14786772 Pheonix Orion said: Quote: Still think when all is said and done he goes top 5 provided the prognosis of recovery remains promising. The body of work is just too good at Alabama and he has all the makeup and intangibles that you want in a QB. Herbert's bit of a wildcard... too much up and down but it just takes one QB desperate team to want to take gamble on upside. Is he a 2nd round QB like Lock or will a team pull the trigger earlier... Herbert looks more like the bust kind to me. Looks stiff and mechanical.

You are right but he has a ton of tools and it takes just one team to believe in coaching him up.

is an absolute monster OL and when it's all said and done I can see him as someone in the conversation with NYG at pick 4.

In comment 14786339 Saquads26 said:

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In comment 14786331 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 14786327 Saos1n said: Quote: I do think there is a chance the Redskins take Simmons over Young Zero chance. Yep no way. If they don’t take Young they will trade out to someone that will. Young is going second. Period

Unless Young went to HS with one of the kids of the owner.

In comment 14786648 gidiefor said:

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I'm taking a QB -- just saying. Stafford is not the answer.

Or take Lawrence next year.

In comment 14787722 JPinstripes said:

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is an absolute monster OL and when it's all said and done I can see him as someone in the conversation with NYG at pick 4.

As most years there will be some surprise risers that crack the top 10 and even top 5. Mekhi may be one of them.