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If Burrow, Young, Simmons go 1,2,3

Big_Pete : 1/20/2020 5:39 am
Many people expect Joe Burrow and Chase Young to go one and two in the draft.

If the Lions should surprise some and pick Isiah Simmons at 3, what do you think the Giants should do?

Who would be your draft targets, particularly on defence?
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RE: RE: If DG hasnít manufactured a trade down deal at that point  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2020 8:45 am : link
In comment 14786611 djstat said:
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In comment 14786512 Jimmy Googs said:


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heíll need to turn his phone on...

If you don't see value in the number 4 pick in terms of talent available, do you think other teams will? That may lessen the "haul".


When GMs trade up to grab the QB that they think will change their teams, itís not because they are measuring overall value versus the pool...
RE: RE: agreed 100% with the above posters  
allstarjim : 1/20/2020 9:06 am : link
In comment 14786613 djstat said:
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In comment 14786537 Giantsfan79 said:


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who believe if the draft goes like that the Giants ransom Tua off to the highest bidder who want to jump the Dolphins.

Too bad Tua won't be healthy enough to get the haul you all think he will bring. Unlikely he plays in 2020


False. Tua believes he will be able to work out for teams prior to the draft. He won't be ready for the combine, but absolutely he'll play in 2020.

There's no way Tua would enter the draft if he wasn't a first rounder. And if he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 he would not be a first rounder.

And there will be ample teams looking for his services and willing to trade up to get them with what he put on tape.

I think the Chargers are going to be the aggressors. They moved to LA, the Rams get more of the pub, LA doesn't seem to care about them. They need a player with star power and with Rivers gone, that's Tua.

But they will need to come with the best offer and they don't have the pick capital that other teams do. Jacksonville, for instance, has two first round picks this year.
That would be the ideal situation  
beatrixkiddo : 1/20/2020 9:06 am : link
To trade down. Unfortunately we still have a lot of holes to fill due to years of awful drafting and could use more high level picks. If this happens I think the trade market will prove to make way to much sense as I see Both Tua and Herbert getting pushed up the board with how many QB needy teams there are this year. Seems like the perfect time to trade down and cash in on our high pick this year. Joe Judge just has to convince Gettleman that is the best move, I donít trust Gettleman to not fuck this up.
Do NOT draft Okaduh  
averagejoe : 1/20/2020 9:19 am : link
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.

ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Trade down  
jeff57 : 1/20/2020 9:21 am : link
If they stay put, take Okudah.
RE: RE: RE: agreed 100% with the above posters  
Chocco : 1/20/2020 9:23 am : link
In comment 14786631 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14786613 djstat said:

False. Tua believes he will be able to work out for teams prior to the draft. He won't be ready for the combine, but absolutely he'll play in 2020.

There's no way Tua would enter the draft if he wasn't a first rounder. And if he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 he would not be a first rounder.

And there will be ample teams looking for his services and willing to trade up to get them with what he put on tape.


I'm not saying he won't play next year, but I don't think he is anywhere near ready for camp. A bigger concern for me would be that he had now 3 surgeries in the last year. I know some people don't consider tightrope surgery a big deal, but it is still a surgery and he still needed to have it
That's projected rehab - ( New Window )
RE: Draft okudah  
TMS : 1/20/2020 9:26 am : link
In comment 14786510 Tuckrule said:
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And do backflips and jump for joy and then laugh at how stupid the Detroit Lions are.
. Seems like that scenario could play out. As long as we get a solid starter in Okudah, I can live with it. Reaching for anyone else would be a mistake unless our new personnel team see us gettin a couple of OL in this draft with a trade down. Garett did a good job in building an OL in Dallas if they were his calls.
do not draft Okudah  
BigBlueCane : 1/20/2020 9:31 am : link
or any other CB. Draft Thomas if they intend to stay put, otherwise try to move down.
RE: do not draft Okudah  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/20/2020 9:36 am : link
In comment 14786680 BigBlueCane said:
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or any other CB. Draft Thomas if they intend to stay put, otherwise try to move down.


Thomas is not worth 4 imo. I d ok nf even expect him to be the first ot taken. He does not appear to have the feet to play tackle at the next level.

As for a trade down, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I'd bet a years salary it doesnt happen.
RE: Do NOT draft Okaduh  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/20/2020 9:37 am : link
In comment 14786652 averagejoe said:
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with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.

ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............



Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
Trade down or Okudah  
Archer : 1/20/2020 9:40 am : link
Okudah will likely be the highest ranked player on the board in this case.

Whatever, the Giants do they cannot afford to reach for a player.
Take the bluechip player.

If the Giants can trade back that would seem to be the best case scenario

Trading back is not easy and if the teams in front have not traded back it may be that teams are not willing to pay the price.

If Okudah is determined to be a blue chip  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/20/2020 9:43 am : link
ala Shawn Springs level, unless I got a monster offer, I'd take him.

I'm fine taking a CB even though we already have invested in the role.

Baker Ballentine and Beal, none are proven. Let's assume we get two good players out of the 3 (which is a stretch), bringing in Okudah then starts to let the Giants begin dictating the game.
Trade down or the CB  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/20/2020 10:26 am : link
Not ideal, but can't force ER or OL like Reese.
And the clear path  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/20/2020 10:28 am : link
Is picking up ER and OL in FA. Maybe even a FART.
1. Trade down  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 10:31 am : link
Teams right below all want QB.

Tua still carries great value. Pick up extra high pick and still get Okudah or the top LT on our board.
One argument against Okudah  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 10:37 am : link
Secondary already extremely young.Probably go vet CB in FA as Gettleman talked about having vet or lead dog in each unit. Janoris gone and all guys young as Bethea probably goes too.

Problem is if Young and Simmons gone he may be BPA by quite a bit unless LT makes grade there. Jeudy might be close in value but don't know if going WR is prudent.

Trade back  
TheWalrus : 1/20/2020 10:45 am : link
Move down and grab an OT or or someone like AJ Epenesa.
Look at this roster  
allstarjim : 1/20/2020 10:49 am : link
How much better does Okudah make this team? You're going to have what, Baker and Okudah at corner, and move Beal to the nickel and hope he's good there? Or do you move him to depth?

I like Okudah, at this point, he would seem like a consolation prize to me.

Remember, this team only has 2 picks in the top 75 players because of the Williams trade. No third rounder until the compensatory portion.

Consider if we took an offer from Jacksonville to slide to #9 to pick up #20 and #42 plus?

Instead of Okudah, you're going to have an OT available at 9 in all likelihood...Wills or Thomas. At 20, you might get a pass rusher like Curtis Weaver. Then with your 2nd rounders, you can get more OL help, another tackle or C, OR BOTH, or you can go receiver...there's so many really good ones in this year's crop that someone is bound to drop to the top of the 2nd round.

Now which would you rather have...Okudah, or two extra starters from the top 50, doubling your number of top 50 picks? Without a great offer, I might go LT at #4 over Okudah anyway, because that's the biggest area of improvement on this team to make it significantly better, IMO, as long as the player taken has a high enough grade.
One fact to throw out there  
cosmicj : 1/20/2020 10:51 am : link
The Lions have two relatively expensive CBs signed.

Darius Slay is 29 and 2020 is the final year of a $49mm contract.

Justin Coleman is 26 and in the middle of a $36mm contract.

Taking Okudah isnít out of the question but I bet the team would really rather look in another direction given how bad that defense is.

Detroit might draft Tua  
Vanzetti : 1/20/2020 10:52 am : link
A lot of fans in Detroit want that to happen because Stafford appears to be breaking down physically. And he is just one of those guys who has talent but never gets it done
Detroit may go QB.  
section125 : 1/20/2020 10:56 am : link
Stafford will save them $14 mill if cut after next season at a cost of $5 mill dead money.
Pick Tua or Herbert this year, get him ready and adios Mr Stafford following the season.
Draft Tua and trade DJ.  
RDJR : 1/20/2020 10:56 am : link
I kid, I kid..... 😜
this team needs more than just a player like Okudah  
Jersey55 : 1/20/2020 11:01 am : link
, sure it would be nice to have him but he is a luxury we can't afford, what we should do is trade back for more picks instead of getting one good one, this team has too many needs.
RE: Look at this roster  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 14786817 allstarjim said:
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How much better does Okudah make this team? You're going to have what, Baker and Okudah at corner, and move Beal to the nickel and hope he's good there? Or do you move him to depth?

I like Okudah, at this point, he would seem like a consolation prize to me.

Remember, this team only has 2 picks in the top 75 players because of the Williams trade. No third rounder until the compensatory portion.

Consider if we took an offer from Jacksonville to slide to #9 to pick up #20 and #42 plus?

Instead of Okudah, you're going to have an OT available at 9 in all likelihood...Wills or Thomas. At 20, you might get a pass rusher like Curtis Weaver. Then with your 2nd rounders, you can get more OL help, another tackle or C, OR BOTH, or you can go receiver...there's so many really good ones in this year's crop that someone is bound to drop to the top of the 2nd round.

Now which would you rather have...Okudah, or two extra starters from the top 50, doubling your number of top 50 picks? Without a great offer, I might go LT at #4 over Okudah anyway, because that's the biggest area of improvement on this team to make it significantly better, IMO, as long as the player taken has a high enough grade.


Like the slight tradedown. Stock team with players that fit new coaches vision for team. Maybe get the monster OT.

As opposed to Eli , Jones struggles with end pressure more than A gap pressure. Fixed on looking downfield and doesn't sense pressure coming off ends well. Might improve might not. Improve the tackles.
RE: do not draft Okudah  
RobCarpenter : 1/20/2020 11:04 am : link
In comment 14786680 BigBlueCane said:
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or any other CB. Draft Thomas if they intend to stay put, otherwise try to move down.


If he truly is a shutdown corner then I don't see how you pass on him if he's there and Simmons is taken by the Lions.

The real question is what do the Giants do if Simmons and Okudah are both there at #4.
RE: RE: Do NOT draft Okaduh  
RobCarpenter : 1/20/2020 11:05 am : link
In comment 14786697 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.

ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............




Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?


This times infinity.
Lol  
Nine-Tails : 1/20/2020 11:06 am : link
Watch Gettleman draft Derrick Brown
RE: RE: do not draft Okudah  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 14786845 RobCarpenter said:
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or any other CB. Draft Thomas if they intend to stay put, otherwise try to move down.



If he truly is a shutdown corner then I don't see how you pass on him if he's there and Simmons is taken by the Lions.

The real question is what do the Giants do if Simmons and Okudah are both there at #4.


We know what Okudah is. Simmons will largely depend on fit. If they believe he can pass rush, cover TEs/RBs and spy the QB in new system then value would be there.
RE: RE: RE: Do NOT draft Okaduh  
Giants38 : 1/20/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 14786848 RobCarpenter said:
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with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.

ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............




Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?



This times infinity.


You draft the best player available. I'd prefer to trade down, because we need extra premium picks, and I think we will get a good player even if we move down.

And if we stay put, and Okudah is available, it will be hard to justify not selecting him. He is a shutdown corner in every way possible. He is a stud.

There is also Simmons and Jeudy and then the OTs, depending on our evaluation of them.

The buzz on Chase Young has gotten ridiculous. Right now he has a tremendous size/speed combo, but his entire repertoire is run around the tackle and hit the QB. Now, that's not to say he can't develop pass rush moves. But that is what he is at this point.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Do NOT draft Okaduh  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 14786858 Giants38 said:
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with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.

ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............




Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?



This times infinity.



You draft the best player available. I'd prefer to trade down, because we need extra premium picks, and I think we will get a good player even if we move down.

And if we stay put, and Okudah is available, it will be hard to justify not selecting him. He is a shutdown corner in every way possible. He is a stud.

There is also Simmons and Jeudy and then the OTs, depending on our evaluation of them.

The buzz on Chase Young has gotten ridiculous. Right now he has a tremendous size/speed combo, but his entire repertoire is run around the tackle and hit the QB. Now, that's not to say he can't develop pass rush moves. But that is what he is at this point.


Not true. Not as technique savvy or advanced as Bosa but he has some. Combine with superior size speed and he is worthy of hype.
That's the perfect..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/20/2020 11:21 am : link
scenario to trade down a couple of spots, get and extra #1 and #2 and still get a premium pick.
RE: Draft okudah  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/20/2020 11:24 am : link
In comment 14786510 Tuckrule said:
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And do backflips and jump for joy and then laugh at how stupid the Detroit Lions are.


+1
I think the Lions are the team that will look very seriously  
cosmicj : 1/20/2020 11:41 am : link
At Derrick Brown in the top 5. They could use him.
RE: I think the Lions are the team that will look very seriously  
bw in dc : 1/20/2020 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14786886 cosmicj said:
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At Derrick Brown in the top 5. They could use him.


Interesting call. They were dead last in pass defense. So they could use both pass rushers and cover corners. I donít think Brown is Sapp or Donald, but I could see him being a real disruptive force coming up the middle...
Bah..Okudah,Bah..Simmons,Bah....Coby Fleener?  
ghost718 : 1/20/2020 12:26 pm : link
Coby Fleener? That was 8 years ago you dummy

RE: Detroit might draft Tua  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/20/2020 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14786822 Vanzetti said:
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A lot of fans in Detroit want that to happen because Stafford appears to be breaking down physically. And he is just one of those guys who has talent but never gets it done

Shut your mouth, bbi loves Stafford and thinks this is crazy!
RE: I think the Lions are the team that will look very seriously  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14786886 cosmicj said:
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At Derrick Brown in the top 5. They could use him.


That would be best possible scenario. One of few positions NYG stacked in provided Williams re-signs. Leaves Okudah, Simmons, top OT and tradedown with QB desperate team on table.
I might be  
uconngiant : 1/20/2020 2:54 pm : link
The only one not big into Young as I didn't see him excel much in any game like Bosa when he played at OSU. Yes he is a excellent pass rusher, but just don't see the can't miss that others see.

I think Simmons is a can't miss and is the best player not named Joe Burrow
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/20/2020 2:57 pm : link
young projects a lot like Clowney did.

He'll make a few impact plays but probably not nearly enough to justify his draft slot.
If Sy and other respected  
Big Blue '56 : 1/20/2020 3:04 pm : link
draft guys are indeed high on Thomas and the Giantsí scouts like his toughness and upside, it sounds to me like a no-brainer
Clowney had an underwhelming junior year  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 3:06 pm : link
From the sack department. Young was getting double and triple teamed and still got 16.5. Young shows pass rush ability in addition to his freak athleticism. Clowney was more freak athlete who could play the run but only flashed in pass rush.
RE: That's the perfect..  
Eman11 : 1/20/2020 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14786864 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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scenario to trade down a couple of spots, get and extra #1 and #2 and still get a premium pick.


That's what I'd like as well and the key for me is only a couple of spots. I'm not sure I'd like to go as far back as 9 to Jax unless they made an offer too hard to pass up.

It'd be great if we could stay top 6 and snag an extra 1 and 2. I think I'd even take a 2 and a 3. But they'd have to be for this upcoming draft. Or something like the Jets gave to Indy, two 2's and a 2 the next year.
Fans wanting a trade back will be disappointed  
RobCarpenter : 1/20/2020 4:39 pm : link
Itís highly unlikely.
RE: Fans wanting a trade back will be disappointed  
GFAN52 : 1/20/2020 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14787309 RobCarpenter said:
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Itís highly unlikely.


I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
RE: RE: Fans wanting a trade back will be disappointed  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 4:55 pm : link
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Itís highly unlikely.



I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.


There are some trade downs that are just slam dunks. Like moving down 1-2 spots for a QB desperate team.
RE: RE: RE: Fans wanting a trade back will be disappointed  
Eman11 : 1/20/2020 6:14 pm : link
In comment 14787327 Pheonix Orion said:
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Itís highly unlikely.



I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.



There are some trade downs that are just slam dunks. Like moving down 1-2 spots for a QB desperate team.


Exactly. If the guy DG wants is there at 4 but Miami comes calling to move up and grab a QB why wouldn't DG get something from them and move back one spot?
If Okudah is available  
Steve in ATL : 1/20/2020 7:27 pm : link
and the Giants are sold on him becoming a shutdown island corner then take him. Otherwise, trade down.
RE: RE: Fans wanting a trade back will be disappointed  
Jersey55 : 1/21/2020 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14787314 GFAN52 said:
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Itís highly unlikely.



I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.


I ike DG and think he 's doing all he can with what he has to work with, however I do think at this point in his career as GM with the Giants he will do whatever he is told to do because at his age he has little choice...
RE: If Okudah is available  
Pheonix Orion : 1/21/2020 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14787501 Steve in ATL said:
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and the Giants are sold on him becoming a shutdown island corner then take him. Otherwise, trade down.


Fixing the OL has been a thorn in DG's side. Two of his guys hopefully worked out in Zietler and Hernendez but the tackles and the center were failures.

He said fixing the OL is priority #1, 2 years ago. The FA selection is limited at best.

If one of these LTs: Becton, Wills or Wirfs have the grade of shutdown LT, I think he's the pick.

But if we can tradedown and still get the LT even better.
We need an  
TMS : 1/23/2020 4:19 pm : link
an immediate starter with the 4th pick in this draft period. No developmentals please. No more like Flowers.
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