who believe if the draft goes like that the Giants ransom Tua off to the highest bidder who want to jump the Dolphins.
Too bad Tua won't be healthy enough to get the haul you all think he will bring. Unlikely he plays in 2020
False. Tua believes he will be able to work out for teams prior to the draft. He won't be ready for the combine, but absolutely he'll play in 2020.
There's no way Tua would enter the draft if he wasn't a first rounder. And if he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 he would not be a first rounder.
And there will be ample teams looking for his services and willing to trade up to get them with what he put on tape.
I think the Chargers are going to be the aggressors. They moved to LA, the Rams get more of the pub, LA doesn't seem to care about them. They need a player with star power and with Rivers gone, that's Tua.
But they will need to come with the best offer and they don't have the pick capital that other teams do. Jacksonville, for instance, has two first round picks this year.
To trade down. Unfortunately we still have a lot of holes to fill due to years of awful drafting and could use more high level picks. If this happens I think the trade market will prove to make way to much sense as I see Both Tua and Herbert getting pushed up the board with how many QB needy teams there are this year. Seems like the perfect time to trade down and cash in on our high pick this year. Joe Judge just has to convince Gettleman that is the best move, I don’t trust Gettleman to not fuck this up.
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
False. Tua believes he will be able to work out for teams prior to the draft. He won't be ready for the combine, but absolutely he'll play in 2020.
There's no way Tua would enter the draft if he wasn't a first rounder. And if he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 he would not be a first rounder.
And there will be ample teams looking for his services and willing to trade up to get them with what he put on tape.
I'm not saying he won't play next year, but I don't think he is anywhere near ready for camp. A bigger concern for me would be that he had now 3 surgeries in the last year. I know some people don't consider tightrope surgery a big deal, but it is still a surgery and he still needed to have it That's projected rehab - ( New Window )
And do backflips and jump for joy and then laugh at how stupid the Detroit Lions are.
. Seems like that scenario could play out. As long as we get a solid starter in Okudah, I can live with it. Reaching for anyone else would be a mistake unless our new personnel team see us gettin a couple of OL in this draft with a trade down. Garett did a good job in building an OL in Dallas if they were his calls.
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
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Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
ala Shawn Springs level, unless I got a monster offer, I'd take him.
I'm fine taking a CB even though we already have invested in the role.
Baker Ballentine and Beal, none are proven. Let's assume we get two good players out of the 3 (which is a stretch), bringing in Okudah then starts to let the Giants begin dictating the game.
Secondary already extremely young.Probably go vet CB in FA as Gettleman talked about having vet or lead dog in each unit. Janoris gone and all guys young as Bethea probably goes too.
Problem is if Young and Simmons gone he may be BPA by quite a bit unless LT makes grade there. Jeudy might be close in value but don't know if going WR is prudent.
How much better does Okudah make this team? You're going to have what, Baker and Okudah at corner, and move Beal to the nickel and hope he's good there? Or do you move him to depth?
I like Okudah, at this point, he would seem like a consolation prize to me.
Remember, this team only has 2 picks in the top 75 players because of the Williams trade. No third rounder until the compensatory portion.
Consider if we took an offer from Jacksonville to slide to #9 to pick up #20 and #42 plus?
Instead of Okudah, you're going to have an OT available at 9 in all likelihood...Wills or Thomas. At 20, you might get a pass rusher like Curtis Weaver. Then with your 2nd rounders, you can get more OL help, another tackle or C, OR BOTH, or you can go receiver...there's so many really good ones in this year's crop that someone is bound to drop to the top of the 2nd round.
Now which would you rather have...Okudah, or two extra starters from the top 50, doubling your number of top 50 picks? Without a great offer, I might go LT at #4 over Okudah anyway, because that's the biggest area of improvement on this team to make it significantly better, IMO, as long as the player taken has a high enough grade.
A lot of fans in Detroit want that to happen because Stafford appears to be breaking down physically. And he is just one of those guys who has talent but never gets it done
Stafford will save them $14 mill if cut after next season at a cost of $5 mill dead money.
Pick Tua or Herbert this year, get him ready and adios Mr Stafford following the season.
, sure it would be nice to have him but he is a luxury we can't afford, what we should do is trade back for more picks instead of getting one good one, this team has too many needs.
How much better does Okudah make this team? You're going to have what, Baker and Okudah at corner, and move Beal to the nickel and hope he's good there? Or do you move him to depth?
I like Okudah, at this point, he would seem like a consolation prize to me.
Remember, this team only has 2 picks in the top 75 players because of the Williams trade. No third rounder until the compensatory portion.
Consider if we took an offer from Jacksonville to slide to #9 to pick up #20 and #42 plus?
Instead of Okudah, you're going to have an OT available at 9 in all likelihood...Wills or Thomas. At 20, you might get a pass rusher like Curtis Weaver. Then with your 2nd rounders, you can get more OL help, another tackle or C, OR BOTH, or you can go receiver...there's so many really good ones in this year's crop that someone is bound to drop to the top of the 2nd round.
Now which would you rather have...Okudah, or two extra starters from the top 50, doubling your number of top 50 picks? Without a great offer, I might go LT at #4 over Okudah anyway, because that's the biggest area of improvement on this team to make it significantly better, IMO, as long as the player taken has a high enough grade.
Like the slight tradedown. Stock team with players that fit new coaches vision for team. Maybe get the monster OT.
As opposed to Eli , Jones struggles with end pressure more than A gap pressure. Fixed on looking downfield and doesn't sense pressure coming off ends well. Might improve might not. Improve the tackles.
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
or any other CB. Draft Thomas if they intend to stay put, otherwise try to move down.
If he truly is a shutdown corner then I don't see how you pass on him if he's there and Simmons is taken by the Lions.
The real question is what do the Giants do if Simmons and Okudah are both there at #4.
We know what Okudah is. Simmons will largely depend on fit. If they believe he can pass rush, cover TEs/RBs and spy the QB in new system then value would be there.
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
This times infinity.
You draft the best player available. I'd prefer to trade down, because we need extra premium picks, and I think we will get a good player even if we move down.
And if we stay put, and Okudah is available, it will be hard to justify not selecting him. He is a shutdown corner in every way possible. He is a stud.
There is also Simmons and Jeudy and then the OTs, depending on our evaluation of them.
The buzz on Chase Young has gotten ridiculous. Right now he has a tremendous size/speed combo, but his entire repertoire is run around the tackle and hit the QB. Now, that's not to say he can't develop pass rush moves. But that is what he is at this point.
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
This times infinity.
You draft the best player available. I'd prefer to trade down, because we need extra premium picks, and I think we will get a good player even if we move down.
And if we stay put, and Okudah is available, it will be hard to justify not selecting him. He is a shutdown corner in every way possible. He is a stud.
There is also Simmons and Jeudy and then the OTs, depending on our evaluation of them.
The buzz on Chase Young has gotten ridiculous. Right now he has a tremendous size/speed combo, but his entire repertoire is run around the tackle and hit the QB. Now, that's not to say he can't develop pass rush moves. But that is what he is at this point.
Not true. Not as technique savvy or advanced as Bosa but he has some. Combine with superior size speed and he is worthy of hype.
At Derrick Brown in the top 5. They could use him.
Interesting call. They were dead last in pass defense. So they could use both pass rushers and cover corners. I don’t think Brown is Sapp or Donald, but I could see him being a real disruptive force coming up the middle...
A lot of fans in Detroit want that to happen because Stafford appears to be breaking down physically. And he is just one of those guys who has talent but never gets it done
Shut your mouth, bbi loves Stafford and thinks this is crazy!
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At Derrick Brown in the top 5. They could use him.
That would be best possible scenario. One of few positions NYG stacked in provided Williams re-signs. Leaves Okudah, Simmons, top OT and tradedown with QB desperate team on table.
The only one not big into Young as I didn't see him excel much in any game like Bosa when he played at OSU. Yes he is a excellent pass rusher, but just don't see the can't miss that others see.
I think Simmons is a can't miss and is the best player not named Joe Burrow
From the sack department. Young was getting double and triple teamed and still got 16.5. Young shows pass rush ability in addition to his freak athleticism. Clowney was more freak athlete who could play the run but only flashed in pass rush.
scenario to trade down a couple of spots, get and extra #1 and #2 and still get a premium pick.
That's what I'd like as well and the key for me is only a couple of spots. I'm not sure I'd like to go as far back as 9 to Jax unless they made an offer too hard to pass up.
It'd be great if we could stay top 6 and snag an extra 1 and 2. I think I'd even take a 2 and a 3. But they'd have to be for this upcoming draft. Or something like the Jets gave to Indy, two 2's and a 2 the next year.
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
There are some trade downs that are just slam dunks. Like moving down 1-2 spots for a QB desperate team.
Exactly. If the guy DG wants is there at 4 but Miami comes calling to move up and grab a QB why wouldn't DG get something from them and move back one spot?
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
I ike DG and think he 's doing all he can with what he has to work with, however I do think at this point in his career as GM with the Giants he will do whatever he is told to do because at his age he has little choice...
and the Giants are sold on him becoming a shutdown island corner then take him. Otherwise, trade down.
Fixing the OL has been a thorn in DG's side. Two of his guys hopefully worked out in Zietler and Hernendez but the tackles and the center were failures.
He said fixing the OL is priority #1, 2 years ago. The FA selection is limited at best.
If one of these LTs: Becton, Wills or Wirfs have the grade of shutdown LT, I think he's the pick.
But if we can tradedown and still get the LT even better.
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If you don't see value in the number 4 pick in terms of talent available, do you think other teams will? That may lessen the "haul".
When GMs trade up to grab the QB that they think will change their teams, it’s not because they are measuring overall value versus the pool...
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who believe if the draft goes like that the Giants ransom Tua off to the highest bidder who want to jump the Dolphins.
Too bad Tua won't be healthy enough to get the haul you all think he will bring. Unlikely he plays in 2020
False. Tua believes he will be able to work out for teams prior to the draft. He won't be ready for the combine, but absolutely he'll play in 2020.
There's no way Tua would enter the draft if he wasn't a first rounder. And if he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 he would not be a first rounder.
And there will be ample teams looking for his services and willing to trade up to get them with what he put on tape.
I think the Chargers are going to be the aggressors. They moved to LA, the Rams get more of the pub, LA doesn't seem to care about them. They need a player with star power and with Rivers gone, that's Tua.
But they will need to come with the best offer and they don't have the pick capital that other teams do. Jacksonville, for instance, has two first round picks this year.
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False. Tua believes he will be able to work out for teams prior to the draft. He won't be ready for the combine, but absolutely he'll play in 2020.
There's no way Tua would enter the draft if he wasn't a first rounder. And if he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 he would not be a first rounder.
And there will be ample teams looking for his services and willing to trade up to get them with what he put on tape.
I'm not saying he won't play next year, but I don't think he is anywhere near ready for camp. A bigger concern for me would be that he had now 3 surgeries in the last year. I know some people don't consider tightrope surgery a big deal, but it is still a surgery and he still needed to have it
That's projected rehab - ( New Window )
Thomas is not worth 4 imo. I d ok nf even expect him to be the first ot taken. He does not appear to have the feet to play tackle at the next level.
As for a trade down, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I'd bet a years salary it doesnt happen.
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Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
Whatever, the Giants do they cannot afford to reach for a player.
Take the bluechip player.
If the Giants can trade back that would seem to be the best case scenario
Trading back is not easy and if the teams in front have not traded back it may be that teams are not willing to pay the price.
I'm fine taking a CB even though we already have invested in the role.
Baker Ballentine and Beal, none are proven. Let's assume we get two good players out of the 3 (which is a stretch), bringing in Okudah then starts to let the Giants begin dictating the game.
Tua still carries great value. Pick up extra high pick and still get Okudah or the top LT on our board.
Problem is if Young and Simmons gone he may be BPA by quite a bit unless LT makes grade there. Jeudy might be close in value but don't know if going WR is prudent.
I like Okudah, at this point, he would seem like a consolation prize to me.
Remember, this team only has 2 picks in the top 75 players because of the Williams trade. No third rounder until the compensatory portion.
Consider if we took an offer from Jacksonville to slide to #9 to pick up #20 and #42 plus?
Instead of Okudah, you're going to have an OT available at 9 in all likelihood...Wills or Thomas. At 20, you might get a pass rusher like Curtis Weaver. Then with your 2nd rounders, you can get more OL help, another tackle or C, OR BOTH, or you can go receiver...there's so many really good ones in this year's crop that someone is bound to drop to the top of the 2nd round.
Now which would you rather have...Okudah, or two extra starters from the top 50, doubling your number of top 50 picks? Without a great offer, I might go LT at #4 over Okudah anyway, because that's the biggest area of improvement on this team to make it significantly better, IMO, as long as the player taken has a high enough grade.
Darius Slay is 29 and 2020 is the final year of a $49mm contract.
Justin Coleman is 26 and in the middle of a $36mm contract.
Taking Okudah isn’t out of the question but I bet the team would really rather look in another direction given how bad that defense is.
Pick Tua or Herbert this year, get him ready and adios Mr Stafford following the season.
I like Okudah, at this point, he would seem like a consolation prize to me.
Remember, this team only has 2 picks in the top 75 players because of the Williams trade. No third rounder until the compensatory portion.
Consider if we took an offer from Jacksonville to slide to #9 to pick up #20 and #42 plus?
Instead of Okudah, you're going to have an OT available at 9 in all likelihood...Wills or Thomas. At 20, you might get a pass rusher like Curtis Weaver. Then with your 2nd rounders, you can get more OL help, another tackle or C, OR BOTH, or you can go receiver...there's so many really good ones in this year's crop that someone is bound to drop to the top of the 2nd round.
Now which would you rather have...Okudah, or two extra starters from the top 50, doubling your number of top 50 picks? Without a great offer, I might go LT at #4 over Okudah anyway, because that's the biggest area of improvement on this team to make it significantly better, IMO, as long as the player taken has a high enough grade.
Like the slight tradedown. Stock team with players that fit new coaches vision for team. Maybe get the monster OT.
As opposed to Eli , Jones struggles with end pressure more than A gap pressure. Fixed on looking downfield and doesn't sense pressure coming off ends well. Might improve might not. Improve the tackles.
If he truly is a shutdown corner then I don't see how you pass on him if he's there and Simmons is taken by the Lions.
The real question is what do the Giants do if Simmons and Okudah are both there at #4.
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with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
This times infinity.
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or any other CB. Draft Thomas if they intend to stay put, otherwise try to move down.
If he truly is a shutdown corner then I don't see how you pass on him if he's there and Simmons is taken by the Lions.
The real question is what do the Giants do if Simmons and Okudah are both there at #4.
We know what Okudah is. Simmons will largely depend on fit. If they believe he can pass rush, cover TEs/RBs and spy the QB in new system then value would be there.
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with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
This times infinity.
You draft the best player available. I'd prefer to trade down, because we need extra premium picks, and I think we will get a good player even if we move down.
And if we stay put, and Okudah is available, it will be hard to justify not selecting him. He is a shutdown corner in every way possible. He is a stud.
There is also Simmons and Jeudy and then the OTs, depending on our evaluation of them.
The buzz on Chase Young has gotten ridiculous. Right now he has a tremendous size/speed combo, but his entire repertoire is run around the tackle and hit the QB. Now, that's not to say he can't develop pass rush moves. But that is what he is at this point.
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with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
This times infinity.
You draft the best player available. I'd prefer to trade down, because we need extra premium picks, and I think we will get a good player even if we move down.
And if we stay put, and Okudah is available, it will be hard to justify not selecting him. He is a shutdown corner in every way possible. He is a stud.
There is also Simmons and Jeudy and then the OTs, depending on our evaluation of them.
The buzz on Chase Young has gotten ridiculous. Right now he has a tremendous size/speed combo, but his entire repertoire is run around the tackle and hit the QB. Now, that's not to say he can't develop pass rush moves. But that is what he is at this point.
Not true. Not as technique savvy or advanced as Bosa but he has some. Combine with superior size speed and he is worthy of hype.
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Interesting call. They were dead last in pass defense. So they could use both pass rushers and cover corners. I don’t think Brown is Sapp or Donald, but I could see him being a real disruptive force coming up the middle...
Shut your mouth, bbi loves Stafford and thinks this is crazy!
That would be best possible scenario. One of few positions NYG stacked in provided Williams re-signs. Leaves Okudah, Simmons, top OT and tradedown with QB desperate team on table.
I think Simmons is a can't miss and is the best player not named Joe Burrow
He'll make a few impact plays but probably not nearly enough to justify his draft slot.
That's what I'd like as well and the key for me is only a couple of spots. I'm not sure I'd like to go as far back as 9 to Jax unless they made an offer too hard to pass up.
It'd be great if we could stay top 6 and snag an extra 1 and 2. I think I'd even take a 2 and a 3. But they'd have to be for this upcoming draft. Or something like the Jets gave to Indy, two 2's and a 2 the next year.
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
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It’s highly unlikely.
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
There are some trade downs that are just slam dunks. Like moving down 1-2 spots for a QB desperate team.
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It’s highly unlikely.
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
There are some trade downs that are just slam dunks. Like moving down 1-2 spots for a QB desperate team.
Exactly. If the guy DG wants is there at 4 but Miami comes calling to move up and grab a QB why wouldn't DG get something from them and move back one spot?
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It’s highly unlikely.
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
I ike DG and think he 's doing all he can with what he has to work with, however I do think at this point in his career as GM with the Giants he will do whatever he is told to do because at his age he has little choice...
Fixing the OL has been a thorn in DG's side. Two of his guys hopefully worked out in Zietler and Hernendez but the tackles and the center were failures.
He said fixing the OL is priority #1, 2 years ago. The FA selection is limited at best.
If one of these LTs: Becton, Wills or Wirfs have the grade of shutdown LT, I think he's the pick.
But if we can tradedown and still get the LT even better.