He may, but drafting Okudah is the right move. I'd love to trade with as far back a QB seeker as possible, to get more picks that will allow for a couple of OL (OT and C).
While I do think Okudah is the clear cut #4 at this time if that is your 1-2-3, I don’t think he alone adds as much to the franchise as we can get in a trade down especially if the combine shows that, if the top 3 go as you predict, there is only one clear cut #2 QB in this draft. If there is then you will have Miami, Panthers, Chargers, and possibly Raiders in a position where you can get a bidding war going. Probably the worst thing for the Giants would be if Tua, Herbert, and Eason all are lights out in Indianapolis so that everyone feels that they can stay put and still get the same level of QB.
Cincy is not trading out of #1. Washington is a possibility at #2 but I think the lure of Chase Young will be too great that teams will find that the king’s ransom needed to get to that pick isn’t worth it. My biggest concern is Detroit at #3. In an ideal world someone like Okudah or Simmons proves to be so lights out that Detroit doesn’t want to trade down and risk losing that player since the Giants could scoop him up at 4 and the asking price gets too rich for QB needy teams.
Okudah is a shut down corner about as good a prospect coming out as there has been in over a decade. He’s regarded as a better prospect than both lattimore and Jalen Ramsey. You get him he can legitimately take away half the field. He’s a great talent. The only knock on him is his ball skills aka lack of interceptions. To me he’s the second best prospect in the draft neck and beck with chase young
My biggest concern is Detroit at #3. In an ideal world someone like Okudah or Simmons proves to be so lights out that Detroit doesn’t want to trade down and risk losing that player since the Giants could scoop him up at 4 and the asking price gets too rich for QB needy teams.
I agree. The one thing we have got going for us is Quinn an Patricia need to win now. So if there is a difference maker at 3 they may not want to trade out.
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And do backflips and jump for joy and then laugh at how stupid the Detroit Lions are.
Can you explain that position? I don’t want college FB, is Okudah that good?
I have a lot of faith in the CBs we drafted. With all these young guys can’t imagine we need another CB. What about drafting O line at 4?
Yes Okudah is that good. And should be a fine pick. Just my couch observation...our defense has been the most vulnerable so this is a great opportunity to get a day one starter that can change the field.
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who believe if the draft goes like that the Giants ransom Tua off to the highest bidder who want to jump the Dolphins.
Too bad Tua won't be healthy enough to get the haul you all think he will bring. Unlikely he plays in 2020
False. Tua believes he will be able to work out for teams prior to the draft. He won't be ready for the combine, but absolutely he'll play in 2020.
There's no way Tua would enter the draft if he wasn't a first rounder. And if he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 he would not be a first rounder.
And there will be ample teams looking for his services and willing to trade up to get them with what he put on tape.
I think the Chargers are going to be the aggressors. They moved to LA, the Rams get more of the pub, LA doesn't seem to care about them. They need a player with star power and with Rivers gone, that's Tua.
But they will need to come with the best offer and they don't have the pick capital that other teams do. Jacksonville, for instance, has two first round picks this year.
To trade down. Unfortunately we still have a lot of holes to fill due to years of awful drafting and could use more high level picks. If this happens I think the trade market will prove to make way to much sense as I see Both Tua and Herbert getting pushed up the board with how many QB needy teams there are this year. Seems like the perfect time to trade down and cash in on our high pick this year. Joe Judge just has to convince Gettleman that is the best move, I don’t trust Gettleman to not fuck this up.
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
False. Tua believes he will be able to work out for teams prior to the draft. He won't be ready for the combine, but absolutely he'll play in 2020.
There's no way Tua would enter the draft if he wasn't a first rounder. And if he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 he would not be a first rounder.
And there will be ample teams looking for his services and willing to trade up to get them with what he put on tape.
I'm not saying he won't play next year, but I don't think he is anywhere near ready for camp. A bigger concern for me would be that he had now 3 surgeries in the last year. I know some people don't consider tightrope surgery a big deal, but it is still a surgery and he still needed to have it That's projected rehab - ( New Window )
And do backflips and jump for joy and then laugh at how stupid the Detroit Lions are.
. Seems like that scenario could play out. As long as we get a solid starter in Okudah, I can live with it. Reaching for anyone else would be a mistake unless our new personnel team see us gettin a couple of OL in this draft with a trade down. Garett did a good job in building an OL in Dallas if they were his calls.
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
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Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
ala Shawn Springs level, unless I got a monster offer, I'd take him.
I'm fine taking a CB even though we already have invested in the role.
Baker Ballentine and Beal, none are proven. Let's assume we get two good players out of the 3 (which is a stretch), bringing in Okudah then starts to let the Giants begin dictating the game.
Secondary already extremely young.Probably go vet CB in FA as Gettleman talked about having vet or lead dog in each unit. Janoris gone and all guys young as Bethea probably goes too.
Problem is if Young and Simmons gone he may be BPA by quite a bit unless LT makes grade there. Jeudy might be close in value but don't know if going WR is prudent.
How much better does Okudah make this team? You're going to have what, Baker and Okudah at corner, and move Beal to the nickel and hope he's good there? Or do you move him to depth?
I like Okudah, at this point, he would seem like a consolation prize to me.
Remember, this team only has 2 picks in the top 75 players because of the Williams trade. No third rounder until the compensatory portion.
Consider if we took an offer from Jacksonville to slide to #9 to pick up #20 and #42 plus?
Instead of Okudah, you're going to have an OT available at 9 in all likelihood...Wills or Thomas. At 20, you might get a pass rusher like Curtis Weaver. Then with your 2nd rounders, you can get more OL help, another tackle or C, OR BOTH, or you can go receiver...there's so many really good ones in this year's crop that someone is bound to drop to the top of the 2nd round.
Now which would you rather have...Okudah, or two extra starters from the top 50, doubling your number of top 50 picks? Without a great offer, I might go LT at #4 over Okudah anyway, because that's the biggest area of improvement on this team to make it significantly better, IMO, as long as the player taken has a high enough grade.
A lot of fans in Detroit want that to happen because Stafford appears to be breaking down physically. And he is just one of those guys who has talent but never gets it done
Stafford will save them $14 mill if cut after next season at a cost of $5 mill dead money.
Pick Tua or Herbert this year, get him ready and adios Mr Stafford following the season.
, sure it would be nice to have him but he is a luxury we can't afford, what we should do is trade back for more picks instead of getting one good one, this team has too many needs.
How much better does Okudah make this team? You're going to have what, Baker and Okudah at corner, and move Beal to the nickel and hope he's good there? Or do you move him to depth?
I like Okudah, at this point, he would seem like a consolation prize to me.
Remember, this team only has 2 picks in the top 75 players because of the Williams trade. No third rounder until the compensatory portion.
Consider if we took an offer from Jacksonville to slide to #9 to pick up #20 and #42 plus?
Instead of Okudah, you're going to have an OT available at 9 in all likelihood...Wills or Thomas. At 20, you might get a pass rusher like Curtis Weaver. Then with your 2nd rounders, you can get more OL help, another tackle or C, OR BOTH, or you can go receiver...there's so many really good ones in this year's crop that someone is bound to drop to the top of the 2nd round.
Now which would you rather have...Okudah, or two extra starters from the top 50, doubling your number of top 50 picks? Without a great offer, I might go LT at #4 over Okudah anyway, because that's the biggest area of improvement on this team to make it significantly better, IMO, as long as the player taken has a high enough grade.
Like the slight tradedown. Stock team with players that fit new coaches vision for team. Maybe get the monster OT.
As opposed to Eli , Jones struggles with end pressure more than A gap pressure. Fixed on looking downfield and doesn't sense pressure coming off ends well. Might improve might not. Improve the tackles.
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
Can you explain that position? I don’t want college FB, is Okudah that good?
I have a lot of faith in the CBs we drafted. With all these young guys can’t imagine we need another CB. What about drafting O line at 4?
He may, but drafting Okudah is the right move. I'd love to trade with as far back a QB seeker as possible, to get more picks that will allow for a couple of OL (OT and C).
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Depending on the offer.
Plus given DG's history of not trading down I'd say that's a given.
As others have mentioned, DG hasn’t ever shown a willingness to trade down so I expect us to stand pat at 4.
Cincy is not trading out of #1. Washington is a possibility at #2 but I think the lure of Chase Young will be too great that teams will find that the king’s ransom needed to get to that pick isn’t worth it. My biggest concern is Detroit at #3. In an ideal world someone like Okudah or Simmons proves to be so lights out that Detroit doesn’t want to trade down and risk losing that player since the Giants could scoop him up at 4 and the asking price gets too rich for QB needy teams.
Well, we have the right man for the job if we want to limit the thinking...
My thoughts exactly.
My biggest concern is Detroit at #3. In an ideal world someone like Okudah or Simmons proves to be so lights out that Detroit doesn’t want to trade down and risk losing that player since the Giants could scoop him up at 4 and the asking price gets too rich for QB needy teams.
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Depending on the offer.
When talking about a trade, I think it goes without saying, the presumption is a fair/reasonable offer.
The question is... would/should DG entertain a decent trade offer?
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And do backflips and jump for joy and then laugh at how stupid the Detroit Lions are.
Can you explain that position? I don’t want college FB, is Okudah that good?
I have a lot of faith in the CBs we drafted. With all these young guys can’t imagine we need another CB. What about drafting O line at 4?
Yes Okudah is that good. And should be a fine pick. Just my couch observation...our defense has been the most vulnerable so this is a great opportunity to get a day one starter that can change the field.
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If you don't see value in the number 4 pick in terms of talent available, do you think other teams will? That may lessen the "haul".
When GMs trade up to grab the QB that they think will change their teams, it’s not because they are measuring overall value versus the pool...
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who believe if the draft goes like that the Giants ransom Tua off to the highest bidder who want to jump the Dolphins.
Too bad Tua won't be healthy enough to get the haul you all think he will bring. Unlikely he plays in 2020
False. Tua believes he will be able to work out for teams prior to the draft. He won't be ready for the combine, but absolutely he'll play in 2020.
There's no way Tua would enter the draft if he wasn't a first rounder. And if he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 he would not be a first rounder.
And there will be ample teams looking for his services and willing to trade up to get them with what he put on tape.
I think the Chargers are going to be the aggressors. They moved to LA, the Rams get more of the pub, LA doesn't seem to care about them. They need a player with star power and with Rivers gone, that's Tua.
But they will need to come with the best offer and they don't have the pick capital that other teams do. Jacksonville, for instance, has two first round picks this year.
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False. Tua believes he will be able to work out for teams prior to the draft. He won't be ready for the combine, but absolutely he'll play in 2020.
There's no way Tua would enter the draft if he wasn't a first rounder. And if he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 he would not be a first rounder.
And there will be ample teams looking for his services and willing to trade up to get them with what he put on tape.
I'm not saying he won't play next year, but I don't think he is anywhere near ready for camp. A bigger concern for me would be that he had now 3 surgeries in the last year. I know some people don't consider tightrope surgery a big deal, but it is still a surgery and he still needed to have it
That's projected rehab - ( New Window )
Thomas is not worth 4 imo. I d ok nf even expect him to be the first ot taken. He does not appear to have the feet to play tackle at the next level.
As for a trade down, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I'd bet a years salary it doesnt happen.
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Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
Whatever, the Giants do they cannot afford to reach for a player.
Take the bluechip player.
If the Giants can trade back that would seem to be the best case scenario
Trading back is not easy and if the teams in front have not traded back it may be that teams are not willing to pay the price.
I'm fine taking a CB even though we already have invested in the role.
Baker Ballentine and Beal, none are proven. Let's assume we get two good players out of the 3 (which is a stretch), bringing in Okudah then starts to let the Giants begin dictating the game.
Tua still carries great value. Pick up extra high pick and still get Okudah or the top LT on our board.
Problem is if Young and Simmons gone he may be BPA by quite a bit unless LT makes grade there. Jeudy might be close in value but don't know if going WR is prudent.
I like Okudah, at this point, he would seem like a consolation prize to me.
Remember, this team only has 2 picks in the top 75 players because of the Williams trade. No third rounder until the compensatory portion.
Consider if we took an offer from Jacksonville to slide to #9 to pick up #20 and #42 plus?
Instead of Okudah, you're going to have an OT available at 9 in all likelihood...Wills or Thomas. At 20, you might get a pass rusher like Curtis Weaver. Then with your 2nd rounders, you can get more OL help, another tackle or C, OR BOTH, or you can go receiver...there's so many really good ones in this year's crop that someone is bound to drop to the top of the 2nd round.
Now which would you rather have...Okudah, or two extra starters from the top 50, doubling your number of top 50 picks? Without a great offer, I might go LT at #4 over Okudah anyway, because that's the biggest area of improvement on this team to make it significantly better, IMO, as long as the player taken has a high enough grade.
Darius Slay is 29 and 2020 is the final year of a $49mm contract.
Justin Coleman is 26 and in the middle of a $36mm contract.
Taking Okudah isn’t out of the question but I bet the team would really rather look in another direction given how bad that defense is.
Pick Tua or Herbert this year, get him ready and adios Mr Stafford following the season.
I like Okudah, at this point, he would seem like a consolation prize to me.
Remember, this team only has 2 picks in the top 75 players because of the Williams trade. No third rounder until the compensatory portion.
Consider if we took an offer from Jacksonville to slide to #9 to pick up #20 and #42 plus?
Instead of Okudah, you're going to have an OT available at 9 in all likelihood...Wills or Thomas. At 20, you might get a pass rusher like Curtis Weaver. Then with your 2nd rounders, you can get more OL help, another tackle or C, OR BOTH, or you can go receiver...there's so many really good ones in this year's crop that someone is bound to drop to the top of the 2nd round.
Now which would you rather have...Okudah, or two extra starters from the top 50, doubling your number of top 50 picks? Without a great offer, I might go LT at #4 over Okudah anyway, because that's the biggest area of improvement on this team to make it significantly better, IMO, as long as the player taken has a high enough grade.
Like the slight tradedown. Stock team with players that fit new coaches vision for team. Maybe get the monster OT.
As opposed to Eli , Jones struggles with end pressure more than A gap pressure. Fixed on looking downfield and doesn't sense pressure coming off ends well. Might improve might not. Improve the tackles.
If he truly is a shutdown corner then I don't see how you pass on him if he's there and Simmons is taken by the Lions.
The real question is what do the Giants do if Simmons and Okudah are both there at #4.
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with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
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