or any other CB. Draft Thomas if they intend to stay put, otherwise try to move down.
If he truly is a shutdown corner then I don't see how you pass on him if he's there and Simmons is taken by the Lions.
The real question is what do the Giants do if Simmons and Okudah are both there at #4.
We know what Okudah is. Simmons will largely depend on fit. If they believe he can pass rush, cover TEs/RBs and spy the QB in new system then value would be there.
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
This times infinity.
You draft the best player available. I'd prefer to trade down, because we need extra premium picks, and I think we will get a good player even if we move down.
And if we stay put, and Okudah is available, it will be hard to justify not selecting him. He is a shutdown corner in every way possible. He is a stud.
There is also Simmons and Jeudy and then the OTs, depending on our evaluation of them.
The buzz on Chase Young has gotten ridiculous. Right now he has a tremendous size/speed combo, but his entire repertoire is run around the tackle and hit the QB. Now, that's not to say he can't develop pass rush moves. But that is what he is at this point.
with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
This times infinity.
You draft the best player available. I'd prefer to trade down, because we need extra premium picks, and I think we will get a good player even if we move down.
And if we stay put, and Okudah is available, it will be hard to justify not selecting him. He is a shutdown corner in every way possible. He is a stud.
There is also Simmons and Jeudy and then the OTs, depending on our evaluation of them.
The buzz on Chase Young has gotten ridiculous. Right now he has a tremendous size/speed combo, but his entire repertoire is run around the tackle and hit the QB. Now, that's not to say he can't develop pass rush moves. But that is what he is at this point.
Not true. Not as technique savvy or advanced as Bosa but he has some. Combine with superior size speed and he is worthy of hype.
At Derrick Brown in the top 5. They could use him.
Interesting call. They were dead last in pass defense. So they could use both pass rushers and cover corners. I don’t think Brown is Sapp or Donald, but I could see him being a real disruptive force coming up the middle...
A lot of fans in Detroit want that to happen because Stafford appears to be breaking down physically. And he is just one of those guys who has talent but never gets it done
Shut your mouth, bbi loves Stafford and thinks this is crazy!
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At Derrick Brown in the top 5. They could use him.
That would be best possible scenario. One of few positions NYG stacked in provided Williams re-signs. Leaves Okudah, Simmons, top OT and tradedown with QB desperate team on table.
The only one not big into Young as I didn't see him excel much in any game like Bosa when he played at OSU. Yes he is a excellent pass rusher, but just don't see the can't miss that others see.
I think Simmons is a can't miss and is the best player not named Joe Burrow
From the sack department. Young was getting double and triple teamed and still got 16.5. Young shows pass rush ability in addition to his freak athleticism. Clowney was more freak athlete who could play the run but only flashed in pass rush.
scenario to trade down a couple of spots, get and extra #1 and #2 and still get a premium pick.
That's what I'd like as well and the key for me is only a couple of spots. I'm not sure I'd like to go as far back as 9 to Jax unless they made an offer too hard to pass up.
It'd be great if we could stay top 6 and snag an extra 1 and 2. I think I'd even take a 2 and a 3. But they'd have to be for this upcoming draft. Or something like the Jets gave to Indy, two 2's and a 2 the next year.
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
There are some trade downs that are just slam dunks. Like moving down 1-2 spots for a QB desperate team.
Exactly. If the guy DG wants is there at 4 but Miami comes calling to move up and grab a QB why wouldn't DG get something from them and move back one spot?
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
I ike DG and think he 's doing all he can with what he has to work with, however I do think at this point in his career as GM with the Giants he will do whatever he is told to do because at his age he has little choice...
and the Giants are sold on him becoming a shutdown island corner then take him. Otherwise, trade down.
Fixing the OL has been a thorn in DG's side. Two of his guys hopefully worked out in Zietler and Hernendez but the tackles and the center were failures.
He said fixing the OL is priority #1, 2 years ago. The FA selection is limited at best.
If one of these LTs: Becton, Wills or Wirfs have the grade of shutdown LT, I think he's the pick.
But if we can tradedown and still get the LT even better.
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or any other CB. Draft Thomas if they intend to stay put, otherwise try to move down.
If he truly is a shutdown corner then I don't see how you pass on him if he's there and Simmons is taken by the Lions.
The real question is what do the Giants do if Simmons and Okudah are both there at #4.
We know what Okudah is. Simmons will largely depend on fit. If they believe he can pass rush, cover TEs/RBs and spy the QB in new system then value would be there.
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with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
This times infinity.
You draft the best player available. I'd prefer to trade down, because we need extra premium picks, and I think we will get a good player even if we move down.
And if we stay put, and Okudah is available, it will be hard to justify not selecting him. He is a shutdown corner in every way possible. He is a stud.
There is also Simmons and Jeudy and then the OTs, depending on our evaluation of them.
The buzz on Chase Young has gotten ridiculous. Right now he has a tremendous size/speed combo, but his entire repertoire is run around the tackle and hit the QB. Now, that's not to say he can't develop pass rush moves. But that is what he is at this point.
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In comment 14786652 averagejoe said:
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with so many glaring needs you cannot take another DB. Giants need big men to compete. Okaduh may be a fine player and nice guy but drafting him at four will help us about as much as drafting a long snapper.
ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL,ER,LB,DE,OL..............
Don't draft for need. Did Flowers teach us nothing?
This times infinity.
You draft the best player available. I'd prefer to trade down, because we need extra premium picks, and I think we will get a good player even if we move down.
And if we stay put, and Okudah is available, it will be hard to justify not selecting him. He is a shutdown corner in every way possible. He is a stud.
There is also Simmons and Jeudy and then the OTs, depending on our evaluation of them.
The buzz on Chase Young has gotten ridiculous. Right now he has a tremendous size/speed combo, but his entire repertoire is run around the tackle and hit the QB. Now, that's not to say he can't develop pass rush moves. But that is what he is at this point.
Not true. Not as technique savvy or advanced as Bosa but he has some. Combine with superior size speed and he is worthy of hype.
+1
Interesting call. They were dead last in pass defense. So they could use both pass rushers and cover corners. I don’t think Brown is Sapp or Donald, but I could see him being a real disruptive force coming up the middle...
Shut your mouth, bbi loves Stafford and thinks this is crazy!
That would be best possible scenario. One of few positions NYG stacked in provided Williams re-signs. Leaves Okudah, Simmons, top OT and tradedown with QB desperate team on table.
I think Simmons is a can't miss and is the best player not named Joe Burrow
He'll make a few impact plays but probably not nearly enough to justify his draft slot.
That's what I'd like as well and the key for me is only a couple of spots. I'm not sure I'd like to go as far back as 9 to Jax unless they made an offer too hard to pass up.
It'd be great if we could stay top 6 and snag an extra 1 and 2. I think I'd even take a 2 and a 3. But they'd have to be for this upcoming draft. Or something like the Jets gave to Indy, two 2's and a 2 the next year.
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
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It’s highly unlikely.
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
There are some trade downs that are just slam dunks. Like moving down 1-2 spots for a QB desperate team.
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It’s highly unlikely.
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
There are some trade downs that are just slam dunks. Like moving down 1-2 spots for a QB desperate team.
Exactly. If the guy DG wants is there at 4 but Miami comes calling to move up and grab a QB why wouldn't DG get something from them and move back one spot?
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It’s highly unlikely.
I agree. I don't see DG changing his draft ways by trading down.
I ike DG and think he 's doing all he can with what he has to work with, however I do think at this point in his career as GM with the Giants he will do whatever he is told to do because at his age he has little choice...
Fixing the OL has been a thorn in DG's side. Two of his guys hopefully worked out in Zietler and Hernendez but the tackles and the center were failures.
He said fixing the OL is priority #1, 2 years ago. The FA selection is limited at best.
If one of these LTs: Becton, Wills or Wirfs have the grade of shutdown LT, I think he's the pick.
But if we can tradedown and still get the LT even better.