What's new about seeing Aaron Rogers fail in the NFC Championship game?
It doesn't seem to matter who the coach is in Green Bay, it's the same game. The man has uber QB skills; has had some of the best WRs to play with in the game; he produces all year; and then plays the same mystifying game in the playoffs either front to back or back to front. Is it the coach, the team around him, or does Aaron Rogers lack the needed assassin instinct.
He's probably going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, and Eli Manning has one more ring than he does right now despite Rogers having several more paths to the Lombardi than Eli had, and the never ending debate of whether Eli merits being in the Hall of Fame.
It accentuates for me how fragile a path NFL greatness really is. It takes heaping spoons of talent, grit, coolness under fire, toughness, ability to execute under pressure in a timely fashion, and plain old fashioned luck. Just how great is it that Eli frikking Manning led the Giants to 2 Lombardis?!!!!!
By the way. Eli Manning beat a 49er's team just a tough as last night's team - if not tougher with shear grit and toughness. He was under much heavier fire than Roger's was for the entire game. Just how incredible was that NFC Championship game in 2012. I don;t know about you - but I will never forget it and I was on the edge of my seat the whole game. And then to follow it up by beating for the second time 6 ring Brady!!!!!
Those are thoughts running through my head all night and through this morning.
Two, he has one legit WR. Everybody else is not good unless you count Jones out of the backfield.
Three, GB's defense has been bipolar this year. They have had some amazing games and other games like last night. They have also had those types of turnarounds within games.
Imo, this has zero to do with Rodgers. That team severely overachieved this year and it showed last night.
That's why the 2011 Championship Game will always live as one of the greatest Giants games to watch.
I think younger coaches are like yaaargh analytics and passing and exciting punt returners!
That's why the 2011 Championship Game will always live as one of the greatest Giants games to watch.
But the only reason we look at Eli like that is because our D and ST played the role as well. Eli kept us in that game. It took all three phases. Comparing that game to the one last night is disingenuous. Rodgers and that O really had no shot because the game was decided on the other side of the ball. GB's defense vs. SF's offense decided that game.
Larry - I debated adding Brees to the above. It is the same story. I wanted to stay on point with last night's game and not ramble, but you are exactly on point bringing it up.
Because two more TDs and 2 point conversions make it just a 3 point game. So, instead of 3 TDs they'd need 2 TDs and a FG.
Exactly. They severely overachieved this year.
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away from that game is that Rodgers didn't want any part of taking a beating from SF's D.
That's why the 2011 Championship Game will always live as one of the greatest Giants games to watch.
But the only reason we look at Eli like that is because our D and ST played the role as well. Eli kept us in that game. It took all three phases. Comparing that game to the one last night is disingenuous. Rodgers and that O really had no shot because the game was decided on the other side of the ball. GB's defense vs. SF's offense decided that game.
That's true. But when the game was close, Rodgers didn't make the plays and then fumbled the snap. But their D wasn't getting stops and I doubt there have been many times a team running for 300 yards lost. Ever.
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That's why the 2011 Championship Game will always live as one of the greatest Giants games to watch.
Agree 100 percent that Rodgers wants no part of getting lit up even a fraction like Eli did in '11. Understandable sentiment, just not one that leads to a Lombardi this year.
Don't be too hard on Rodgers though, it takes an amazing football player at the QB spot to lead two magical runs cutting through the NFL'S best to reach the promised land '07 and '11 had a Hall of Fame HC too.
Good original post.
I had GB fan telling me they're better than I thought XD
I also warned a Ravens fan not to bet against Titans.
Great QBs can cover up a lot of warts. Problem is, you can't run and hide in the NFL postseason. PRetty good teams with great QBs get crushed. Every single time.
Two, he has one legit WR. Everybody else is not good unless you count Jones out of the backfield.
Three, GB's defense has been bipolar this year. They have had some amazing games and other games like last night. They have also had those types of turnarounds within games.
Imo, this has zero to do with Rodgers. That team severely overachieved this year and it showed last night.
robbie -- how many interceptions did Roger's have last night? can someone else chime in and remind me? and you are saying that last night's loss is not on Rogers. Please! Roger's big time folded last night. ANd he's done it several times before in the playoffs. He needs everything to be just right to win. The great ones can put a team on their back, and he considered one of the great ones. He just can't do it.
I was down on GB all season long. To their credit they won 14 games. Their D and ground game was much better than I thought it would be.
TO be fair here, The niners are just a nasty talented bunch. GB earned their record this season and just lost to an excellent, title winning, caliber team.
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One, they won this year due to their running game. Rodgers didn't have a typical Rodgers season. They threw it much less. That whole offense is built around the running game now. That is not the way it was under McCarthy.
Two, he has one legit WR. Everybody else is not good unless you count Jones out of the backfield.
Three, GB's defense has been bipolar this year. They have had some amazing games and other games like last night. They have also had those types of turnarounds within games.
Imo, this has zero to do with Rodgers. That team severely overachieved this year and it showed last night.
robbie -- how many interceptions did Roger's have last night? can someone else chime in and remind me? and you are saying that last night's loss is not on Rogers. Please! Roger's big time folded last night. ANd he's done it several times before in the playoffs. He needs everything to be just right to win. The great ones can put a team on their back, and he considered one of the great ones. He just can't do it.
I'm not saying he is great but you are wrong saying he has a great supporting cast. The talent on SF compared to GB is significant.
Two, he has one legit WR. Everybody else is not good unless you count Jones out of the backfield.
Three, GB's defense has been bipolar this year. They have had some amazing games and other games like last night. They have also had those types of turnarounds within games.
Imo, this has zero to do with Rodgers. That team severely overachieved this year and it showed last night.
Couldn’t agree more. I know the word “Rodgers” gets people all hot and bothered leading to some really bad takes, but Green Bay just wasn’t that good this year if you watched them weekly. I think they will be better next year because they can now focus on bolstering what’s worked (run game especially) and try to fix what isn’t (they need 1 more playmaker on D and they HAVE to get a compliment WR for Adams - someone like Cobb or a better TE or both).
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Because two more TDs and 2 point conversions make it just a 3 point game. So, instead of 3 TDs they'd need 2 TDs and a FG.
So they ended up down 17, needing 3 scores. Instead of down 16 needing 2.
If Jones played that game yesterday most of BBI would be annoyed with him a bit but would be CRUSHING the defense and lack of a playmaker other than Adams on offense.
That's why the 2011 Championship Game will always live as one of the greatest Giants games to watch.
This.
Rodgers whole demeanor was almost noticeably indifferent. When he fumbled the snap it was sort of like, oh well....
it doesn’t appear like he motivates or even interacts with any
of his guys either on field or sideline.
makes one still wonder about mccarthy’s side of things.
is he just a prick?
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One, they won this year due to their running game. Rodgers didn't have a typical Rodgers season. They threw it much less. That whole offense is built around the running game now. That is not the way it was under McCarthy.
Two, he has one legit WR. Everybody else is not good unless you count Jones out of the backfield.
Three, GB's defense has been bipolar this year. They have had some amazing games and other games like last night. They have also had those types of turnarounds within games.
Imo, this has zero to do with Rodgers. That team severely overachieved this year and it showed last night.
Couldn’t agree more. I know the word “Rodgers” gets people all hot and bothered leading to some really bad takes, but Green Bay just wasn’t that good this year if you watched them weekly. I think they will be better next year because they can now focus on bolstering what’s worked (run game especially) and try to fix what isn’t (they need 1 more playmaker on D and they HAVE to get a compliment WR for Adams - someone like Cobb or a better TE or both).
I think they will be worse next season. Struggling to make the playoffs, because I see Rodgers about to hit a wall or have an injury that will derail them. They had a few fortuitous games where they were basically gifted wins. The Lions and Bears games immediately come to mind. Phantom hands to the face calls helped in one of them.
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.Down 21
Because two more TDs and 2 point conversions make it just a 3 point game. So, instead of 3 TDs they'd need 2 TDs and a FG.
So they ended up down 17, needing 3 scores. Instead of down 16 needing 2.
That's because they missed the 2 point conversion. As a coach when you are down by that much you cannot worry about missing them because if you miss it then you are already done anyway. I'm not saying it is right or wrong. You have to know how the game is playing out. Lafleur felt they were going to have many opportunities so that was his best shot at winning.
We don't know that. Obviously, no one does, but we don't know that to be true.
What we do know is that the annoited one, the Hall of Fame bound Rodgers and his Pack were simply not good enough to get that tough, underdog, victory on the road in a Conference title game.
Some players have done it, some even more than once and put the cherry on to delivering the hardware too.
Fire up the engine on the Rodgers excuse train.
I said this after XLII and repeated it after XLVI (and my mind has never changed), I’ll take many crappy seasons for a SB win every 10 years. All that has ever mattered to me since our first SB win, is the hardware. Period. End of story. For this fan.
...I'm not sure how far you can take this argument.
After all, it's not like Aaron Rodgers allowed San Fran to rush for almost 300 yards.
Green Bay was behind the 8-Ball early on. Very difficult circumstances for any QB, especially going up against the 49ers pass rush!
Yea, Aaron Rodgers didn't cover himself with any glory yesterday, but he is not the reason why Green Bay was puched to the floor and kicked in the teeth.
That would be Green Bay's defense, which raised the white flag and begged for mercy before the end of the first half.
The D allowed 300 yards rushing! The opposing QB threw the ball less than a single-wing QB.
Rodgers didn't look like he wanted any part of facing the Niners D, and I think that's a valid observation, but there aren't excuses here - they got their asses whooped.
What's the excuse now?
That's why the 2011 Championship Game will always live as one of the greatest Giants games to watch.
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2) That being said, the reason Rodgers had so many shots at a super bowl is due in no small part to how well he played during the regular season - at times carrying his team. We never saw a lot of Eli elevating the team around him (2011 the exception), especially at the back end of his career. That carries a lot of weight, especially with analysts;
3) While Eli played great in SF in 2011/12, made big throws, the defense and special teams made big plays as well. Rodgers could have played as well as Eli last night and still lost 37-20; and
4) This playoff run really drove home the point of getting home field advantage with a big regular season. Though the Titans made a valiant run, the days of sneaking into the playoffs as a wild card or mediocre division winner seem long gone.
The D allowed 300 yards rushing! The opposing QB threw the ball less than a single-wing QB.
Rodgers didn't look like he wanted any part of facing the Niners D, and I think that's a valid observation, but there aren't excuses here - they got their asses whooped.
Exactly. Nobody is making excuses for Rodgers but to lay this loss at one person's feet is ridiculous especially after the D got trampled all night.
Me too Larry!
What's the excuse now?
Yeah what a complete underachiever Rodgers is...
Rodgers played terribly last night. An absolute terrible fumble that was just poked out of his hand that killed a potential big play that led to points the other way, he fumbled the snap which killed a potential TD drive and another bad pick that led to points,
On top of that he looked defeated and uninterested even early in the game.
The D allowed 300 yards rushing! The opposing QB threw the ball less than a single-wing QB.
Rodgers didn't look like he wanted any part of facing the Niners D, and I think that's a valid observation, but there aren't excuses here - they got their asses whooped.
Definitely Aaron Rodgers had that look on his face that sorta said, "Why did I get out of bed this morning?"
He looks more like Sam Elliott than his younger self.
He looks more like Sam Elliott than his younger self.
In fairness, Danica Patrick wears him out. Constantly.