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the combine to create that choatic demand that may make our 4th pick so attractive, they bid on it!

In comment 14786756 GiantBlue said:

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the combine to create that choatic demand that may make our 4th pick so attractive, they bid on it!

That would be NICE!!!

Or if someone trades up with Detroit, if the Giants stay put a 4th overall, they should have a choice of Simmons, Okudah, Wills or Wirfs; sign me up for that.

Of course a trade down to pick up and extra 3rd or 2nd and getting one of those players would be wonderful.

But BBI has almost 90% collectively decided the Giants should NOT draft an OT at 4?

Seems like an odd assessment given the play of Nate Solder this past year. Remmers I don't think is even under contract... Wasn't his deal for 1 year?

And Simmons is listed as an ILB, a position change for him to a fair extent given his snaps breakdown showing he played Nickle CB or safety more than half his total snaps...

Simmons listed as an OLB by Colin.

Even if they have to reach a little.

Would be nice to see them trade back .

Morning guys: Once again thanks for the plug M.S. And in the interest of fair play and all that I have to note that the GBN Big Board is actually put together these days by Larry Parker, our chief scout, who follows this stuff way closer than I do.
I should also note that it is our sense that this looks like a good, but not necessarily great draft. And it looks like it is shaping up reasonably well for the Giants. Indeed, assuming the most likely outcome that someone takes Tua at #3, the Giants will get a choice of Okudah, Simmons, Wirfs and Lamb who make up our 2nd level (along with Tua). Fact is one could make a strong case for each of those four guys for the Giants. Indeed, the only bad thing about the choice is that you can only pick one when truth be told you might really want all four. And unless the Giants really like one of the four more than the others who is ultimately chosen will depend to a large degree on what the Giants themselves set as their priorities this off-season. What is also kind of interesting about those four guys (and of course that grouping may change as we get closer to the draft; its also possible that different teams have other players in their second tier) is that they each answer different questions.

Who's the safest pick: probably Okudah followed by Wirfs

Who's got the most upside: Simmons

Who's the most transformative (and by that we mean who makes your team harder to play against or the answer to the question which pick would keep Jerry Jones up at night: Lamb followed by Simmons.

And while I know the defense and the OL are the two units that desperately need upgrades, there is this little voice in my head that keeps asking if its possible that in the end the Giants might decide that the guy who really changes their game is the WR. Last year for example, opposing teams were sending 8-9-10 guys into the box to stop Saquon and just daring the Giants to throw over the top because we just didn't have anyone on the outside who scared them.

Any way at this time I have no idea who the Giants would actually take from those four (or more) guys, but a really good case can be made for each. Hang in there! Only 94 days to go until the draft.

In comment 14786884 Colin@gbn said:

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Morning guys: Once again thanks for the plug M.S. And in the interest of fair play and all that I have to note that the GBN Big Board is actually put together these days by Larry Parker, our chief scout, who follows this stuff way closer than I do. I should also note that it is our sense that this looks like a good, but not necessarily great draft. And it looks like it is shaping up reasonably well for the Giants. Indeed, assuming the most likely outcome that someone takes Tua at #3, the Giants will get a choice of Okudah, Simmons, Wirfs and Lamb who make up our 2nd level (along with Tua). Fact is one could make a strong case for each of those four guys for the Giants. Indeed, the only bad thing about the choice is that you can only pick one when truth be told you might really want all four. And unless the Giants really like one of the four more than the others who is ultimately chosen will depend to a large degree on what the Giants themselves set as their priorities this off-season. What is also kind of interesting about those four guys (and of course that grouping may change as we get closer to the draft; its also possible that different teams have other players in their second tier) is that they each answer different questions. Who's the safest pick: probably Okudah followed by Wirfs Who's got the most upside: Simmons Who's the most transformative (and by that we mean who makes your team harder to play against or the answer to the question which pick would keep Jerry Jones up at night: Lamb followed by Simmons. And while I know the defense and the OL are the two units that desperately need upgrades, there is this little voice in my head that keeps asking if its possible that in the end the Giants might decide that the guy who really changes their game is the WR. Last year for example, opposing teams were sending 8-9-10 guys into the box to stop Saquon and just daring the Giants to throw over the top because we just didn't have anyone on the outside who scared them. Any way at this time I have no idea who the Giants would actually take from those four (or more) guys, but a really good case can be made for each. Hang in there! Only 94 days to go until the draft.

Thanks for all you add to BBI. I have been saying that it would be good for the Giants to trade back and get picks that would allow them to land two of the following players:

Tristan Wirfs OT 6-5, 322 Iowa JR
Jedrick Wills OT 6-5, 320 Alabama JR
Andrew Thomas OT 6-5, 320 Georgia JR
Austin Jackson OT 6-6, 310 Southern R
Mekhi Becton OT 6-7, 369 Louisville

Do you see this as reasonable?
It seems like there is a drop off after those five.

I have a hard time seeing anyone in front of Thomas.

All of them are inconsistent - but Thomas' tools are elite. When he is on point, nobody is beating him. Technique issues can be fixed but the combination of power/size/speed cannot be taught or acquired.

A lot of it will come down to interviews and analysis of whether or not he works hard because yes, he has work to do.

He is my OT1 right now.

Have you checked out Saahdiq Charles?

Cluster buster: Wirfs, Wills and Thomas. Who's OT1, OT2 and OT3 and how far is the gap between them?

In comment 14786975 bw in dc said:

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Have you checked out Saahdiq Charles?

Yes I still have 3 more games to do. He is an elite athlete, maybe the best of all the OL in the class. Curious to see if some, even most, teams will see him as an OG.

I think there is a 1st/2nd round grade on him - have to loo in to off field issues.

In comment 14786977 Anakim said:

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Cluster buster: Wirfs, Wills and Thomas. Who's OT1, OT2 and OT3 and how far is the gap between them?

Thomas
Willis
Wirfs

In comment 14786964 Sy'56 said:

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I have a hard time seeing anyone in front of Thomas. All of them are inconsistent - but Thomas' tools are elite. When he is on point, nobody is beating him. Technique issues can be fixed but the combination of power/size/speed cannot be taught or acquired. A lot of it will come down to interviews and analysis of whether or not he works hard because yes, he has work to do. He is my OT1 right now.

Hmmm, I see Sy is coming around to my very inexpert take on Thomas.

OK Sy, specifically is Thomas's initial strike just crazy good or what?

In comment 14787014 BlueLou'sBack said:

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In comment 14786964 Sy'56 said: Quote: I have a hard time seeing anyone in front of Thomas. All of them are inconsistent - but Thomas' tools are elite. When he is on point, nobody is beating him. Technique issues can be fixed but the combination of power/size/speed cannot be taught or acquired. A lot of it will come down to interviews and analysis of whether or not he works hard because yes, he has work to do. He is my OT1 right now. Hmmm, I see Sy is coming around to my very inexpert take on Thomas. OK Sy, specifically is Thomas's initial strike just crazy good or what?

He is long and powerful, for sure. When the feet are under him and his center of mass is lined up, he can do damage. His issue is he gets too dependent on it, forgets about his feet, and will bend at the waist. A crafty NFL DE will eat that up.

I have seen of him. He's overly reliant on his ability so that he sometimes, or even often, neglects proper technique is his pass pro set.

But darn it's freaky how often he nullifies pass rushers at the LOS itself.

Glad to see Colin and others have him ahead of Jeudy, much more pro-ready. The Giants can't take him there but he is definitely worth the pick.

In comment 14787006 Sy'56 said:

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In comment 14786975 bw in dc said: Quote: Have you checked out Saahdiq Charles? Yes I still have 3 more games to do. He is an elite athlete, maybe the best of all the OL in the class. Curious to see if some, even most, teams will see him as an OG. I think there is a 1st/2nd round grade on him - have to loo in to off field issues.

Thanks. So my eyes haven’t deceived me when I’ve watched him. I see really good bend, lateral movement, and hand position. He’s really stood out in every LSU game I’ve watched.

While Burrow has received great reviews - and well earned - he’s had outstanding protection from the left side of that line. Particularly Charles.

In comment 14787093 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14787006 Sy'56 said: Quote: In comment 14786975 bw in dc said: Quote: Have you checked out Saahdiq Charles? Yes I still have 3 more games to do. He is an elite athlete, maybe the best of all the OL in the class. Curious to see if some, even most, teams will see him as an OG. I think there is a 1st/2nd round grade on him - have to loo in to off field issues. Thanks. So my eyes haven’t deceived me when I’ve watched him. I see really good bend, lateral movement, and hand position. He’s really stood out in every LSU game I’ve watched. While Burrow has received great reviews - and well earned - he’s had outstanding protection from the left side of that line. Particularly Charles.

If he checks out well off the field and the measurements are good enough - I have no issues labeling him a 1st round LT in the mold of David Bakhitiari

In comment 14787041 BlueLou'sBack said:

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I have seen of him. He's overly reliant on his ability so that he sometimes, or even often, neglects proper technique is his pass pro set. But darn it's freaky how often he nullifies pass rushers at the LOS itself.

That's what I see as well, and in the SEC no less, which is extremely difficult to do.

In comment 14786884 Colin@gbn said:

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And while I know the defense and the OL are the two units that desperately need upgrades, there is this little voice in my head that keeps asking if its possible that in the end the Giants might decide that the guy who really changes their game is the WR. Last year for example, opposing teams were sending 8-9-10 guys into the box to stop Saquon and just daring the Giants to throw over the top because we just didn't have anyone on the outside who scared them.

When we had that guy (Beckham) it certainly didn't help our running game or time to throw all that much. We need to build from the inside out, no excuses.

when we had Beckham so that's a factor. But Barkley had a monster rookie year so there's a case to be made for wanting to bolster our WR's.

Still, #4 overall is a really hard sell unless we get a top Edge FA and are able to upgrade the line in atleast 1 spot.

In comment 14789515 UConn4523 said:

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when we had Beckham so that's a factor. But Barkley had a monster rookie year so there's a case to be made for wanting to bolster our WR's. Still, #4 overall is a really hard sell unless we get a top Edge FA and are able to upgrade the line in atleast 1 spot.

If we took a WR #4 (Jeudy or Lamb) I would not be angry as I believe both are capable of being true #1's and will produce as rookie's.

However, I'd hope we trade down and still get one of them and OL's with the extra pick(s).