I'm probably in the minority here but I'd hate for the Giants to continue spending big chunks of cap on more OL. Would rather see them continue to bring in talent through the draft, it seems like drafting OL/DL is DG's strength.
Probably because, going into this past season, his knee was a concern. He did play all 16 games and by all (?) accounts he played rather well.
Question NOW is, do they tag him if necessary?
It's not likely that they will tag him with Derrick Henry and Tannehill also becoming FA's. They might decide to franchise Henry and then try to sign Tannehill and Conklin to extensions.
And we can also get a young cost controlled OT with the 4th overall pick or the 36th pick. Nick Gates may also be looked at as the starter there. There are lots of options. I would hope the Gettlemen looks to bring in a viable Center. McGovern from Denver seems like a good target. The Halapio experiment needs to be over.
idk, just seems like we should draft a good tackle and let him take his lumps at RT before moving to LT, then hopefully by the time solder is gone we'll have another tackle drafted who can start at RT.
And we can also get a young cost controlled OT with the 4th overall pick or the 36th pick. Nick Gates may also be looked at as the starter there. There are lots of options. I would hope the Gettlemen looks to bring in a viable Center. McGovern from Denver seems like a good target. The Halapio experiment needs to be over.
Agree 100% on McGovern. That signing will probably be upwards of $40 mil/4 years alone. But too important of a position to trust to a rookie right now. Been too long since we had a decent center.
Maybe move Solder to RT? He's played it before in NE. Can't cut him now, too much dead $$. I'd like a LT in the draft. With a slight trade down of course...
I'm probably in the minority here but I'd hate for the Giants to continue spending big chunks of cap on more OL. Would rather see them continue to bring in talent through the draft, it seems like drafting OL/DL is DG's strength.
Agreed. If Conklin had a history of being healthy I’d be more open to breaking the bank for him. But he’s been injured quite a bit in his young career, hence the Titans not picking up his 5th year option. Based on past trends, players who get hurt a lot in their early career tend to continue that pattern. I’d keep building through the draft if I was Gettleman.
at Germain Ifedi too. He's another 25 year old RT who's 5th option was declined. He's a bit smaller but has no injury history, started 47 of 48 games the past three years. Like Conklin, his play has been inconsistent.
Gettleman will want to build this OL without too much youth Â
Not just about concern with his knee, but rather his draft slotting. Players picked in the Top 10 has their 5th year option calculated equal to the average of the Top 10 highest prior year salaries at their position. But when it comes to OL, they are all the same as it pertains to the calculation. So essentially, the LT position is typically the highest paid OL and a RT would have his 5th year option based on the salaries of LTs. We will likely see this play out with Quenton Nelson as he is a guard selected in the Top 10. When it comes to picking up his 5th year option, he'll receive LT money.
I'm probably in the minority here but I'd hate for the Giants to continue spending big chunks of cap on more OL. Would rather see them continue to bring in talent through the draft, it seems like drafting OL/DL is DG's strength.
Yeah we are better off signing a few players like Bethea, Kareem Martin and Omameh for a combined 15 mil a year then signing one good player for 15 a year
I'm probably in the minority here but I'd hate for the Giants to continue spending big chunks of cap on more OL. Would rather see them continue to bring in talent through the draft, it seems like drafting OL/DL is DG's strength.
Yeah we are better off signing a few players like Bethea, Kareem Martin and Omameh for a combined 15 mil a year then signing one good player for 15 a year
Yea it’s not that simple. Where was this can’t miss 15 million a year player? Not to mention the guaranteed money you’re leaving out. Forget annual loot.
If the Giants just rely on the draft to fix the team, they’ll never fix what needs to be fixed. Look at the trades and FA acquisitions the niners made to turn their team around. You have to take calculated risks in the market.
Conklin is a damn good RT and worth every penny in FA. Hopefully the Giants land him. He’s an all-pro caliber RT run blocking and in pass pro. Guys at his age with his ability rarely hit FA.
In terms of money allocation for the OL, Solder is very cuttable after 20. I expect a young, cheap player to take over in 21. Paying 2-3 guys good money along the OL at any given time is very reasonable.
The Giants need at least a RT and C for 20. They definitely need an LT for the future. Relying just on the draft will take too long to fix the roster.
I'm probably in the minority here but I'd hate for the Giants to continue spending big chunks of cap on more OL. Would rather see them continue to bring in talent through the draft, it seems like drafting OL/DL is DG's strength.
Yeah we are better off signing a few players like Bethea, Kareem Martin and Omameh for a combined 15 mil a year then signing one good player for 15 a year
Yea it’s not that simple. Where was this can’t miss 15 million a year player? Not to mention the guaranteed money you’re leaving out. Forget annual loot.
Never said can't miss player. I said one good player. We gave those 3 god awful players a combined 17 mil guaranteed.
Not just about concern with his knee, but rather his draft slotting. Players picked in the Top 10 has their 5th year option calculated equal to the average of the Top 10 highest prior year salaries at their position. But when it comes to OL, they are all the same as it pertains to the calculation. So essentially, the LT position is typically the highest paid OL and a RT would have his 5th year option based on the salaries of LTs. We will likely see this play out with Quenton Nelson as he is a guard selected in the Top 10. When it comes to picking up his 5th year option, he'll receive LT money.
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they weren’t sure of his knee stuff
Not just about concern with his knee, but rather his draft slotting. Players picked in the Top 10 has their 5th year option calculated equal to the average of the Top 10 highest prior year salaries at their position. But when it comes to OL, they are all the same as it pertains to the calculation. So essentially, the LT position is typically the highest paid OL and a RT would have his 5th year option based on the salaries of LTs. We will likely see this play out with Quenton Nelson as he is a guard selected in the Top 10. When it comes to picking up his 5th year option, he'll receive LT money.
he probably would've been the Giants' pick, and not Eli Apple, had the Titans not grabbed him. Giants had high grades on both Titans starting tackles in recent years.
he probably would've been the Giants' pick, and not Eli Apple, had the Titans not grabbed him. Giants had high grades on both Titans starting tackles in recent years.
Go ahead, rub it in.
First, the Titans picked Taylor Lewan right before we drafted OBJ, then they trade up two spots ahead of us to nab Conklin. Doom on us, twice.
I was hoping that this new regime would be a little more savvy when it came to building an O-Line, but two years into it and we're no better off than when they started.
Mega bucks if Conklin hits the market, and 1925 Giants Drive should be at the front of the line
Question NOW is, do they tag him if necessary?
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Question NOW is, do they tag him if necessary?
It's not likely that they will tag him with Derrick Henry and Tannehill also becoming FA's. They might decide to franchise Henry and then try to sign Tannehill and Conklin to extensions.
Agree 100% on McGovern. That signing will probably be upwards of $40 mil/4 years alone. But too important of a position to trust to a rookie right now. Been too long since we had a decent center.
Maybe move Solder to RT? He's played it before in NE. Can't cut him now, too much dead $$. I'd like a LT in the draft. With a slight trade down of course...
If they are not picking up Conklins option there has to be a reason.
Agreed. If Conklin had a history of being healthy I’d be more open to breaking the bank for him. But he’s been injured quite a bit in his young career, hence the Titans not picking up his 5th year option. Based on past trends, players who get hurt a lot in their early career tend to continue that pattern. I’d keep building through the draft if I was Gettleman.
Maybe he's prone and thats why Titans are not picking up the option.
This!
If they are not picking up Conklins option there has to be a reason.
Except, this was decided BEFORE the current season, long before anyone knew they’d be serious contenders.
A rookie LT usually takes time to get up to speed unless you find a rare advanced prospect from the college ranks.
Center is your line caller, he may target a vet here.
RT could be Nick Gates.
I don't think he is messing with his two own picks in Hernendez and Zietler at OG.
Best current guess:
Rookie (or Solder with Rookie taking over a few games in)- Hernendez- Vet FA- Zietler- Gates or Vet FA
Not just about concern with his knee, but rather his draft slotting. Players picked in the Top 10 has their 5th year option calculated equal to the average of the Top 10 highest prior year salaries at their position. But when it comes to OL, they are all the same as it pertains to the calculation. So essentially, the LT position is typically the highest paid OL and a RT would have his 5th year option based on the salaries of LTs. We will likely see this play out with Quenton Nelson as he is a guard selected in the Top 10. When it comes to picking up his 5th year option, he'll receive LT money.
Yeah we are better off signing a few players like Bethea, Kareem Martin and Omameh for a combined 15 mil a year then signing one good player for 15 a year
Which means you’d let Tannehill walk. The second he hits UFA he’s going to get a monster contract offer from desperate team.
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I'm probably in the minority here but I'd hate for the Giants to continue spending big chunks of cap on more OL. Would rather see them continue to bring in talent through the draft, it seems like drafting OL/DL is DG's strength.
Yeah we are better off signing a few players like Bethea, Kareem Martin and Omameh for a combined 15 mil a year then signing one good player for 15 a year
Yea it’s not that simple. Where was this can’t miss 15 million a year player? Not to mention the guaranteed money you’re leaving out. Forget annual loot.
Conklin is a damn good RT and worth every penny in FA. Hopefully the Giants land him. He’s an all-pro caliber RT run blocking and in pass pro. Guys at his age with his ability rarely hit FA.
In terms of money allocation for the OL, Solder is very cuttable after 20. I expect a young, cheap player to take over in 21. Paying 2-3 guys good money along the OL at any given time is very reasonable.
The Giants need at least a RT and C for 20. They definitely need an LT for the future. Relying just on the draft will take too long to fix the roster.
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I'm probably in the minority here but I'd hate for the Giants to continue spending big chunks of cap on more OL. Would rather see them continue to bring in talent through the draft, it seems like drafting OL/DL is DG's strength.
Yeah we are better off signing a few players like Bethea, Kareem Martin and Omameh for a combined 15 mil a year then signing one good player for 15 a year
Yea it’s not that simple. Where was this can’t miss 15 million a year player? Not to mention the guaranteed money you’re leaving out. Forget annual loot.
Never said can't miss player. I said one good player. We gave those 3 god awful players a combined 17 mil guaranteed.
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they weren’t sure of his knee stuff
Not just about concern with his knee, but rather his draft slotting. Players picked in the Top 10 has their 5th year option calculated equal to the average of the Top 10 highest prior year salaries at their position. But when it comes to OL, they are all the same as it pertains to the calculation. So essentially, the LT position is typically the highest paid OL and a RT would have his 5th year option based on the salaries of LTs. We will likely see this play out with Quenton Nelson as he is a guard selected in the Top 10. When it comes to picking up his 5th year option, he'll receive LT money.
Wow, had no clue about that. Thanks, bud..
This. Maybe he’s better than Marriotta but he’s basically the definition of right place right time. If they sign him to a big deal they are nuts
they weren’t sure of his knee stuff
Not just about concern with his knee, but rather his draft slotting. Players picked in the Top 10 has their 5th year option calculated equal to the average of the Top 10 highest prior year salaries at their position. But when it comes to OL, they are all the same as it pertains to the calculation. So essentially, the LT position is typically the highest paid OL and a RT would have his 5th year option based on the salaries of LTs. We will likely see this play out with Quenton Nelson as he is a guard selected in the Top 10. When it comes to picking up his 5th year option, he'll receive LT money.
Wow. Who knew? Not me, for sure
Go ahead, rub it in.
First, the Titans picked Taylor Lewan right before we drafted OBJ, then they trade up two spots ahead of us to nab Conklin. Doom on us, twice.
I was hoping that this new regime would be a little more savvy when it came to building an O-Line, but two years into it and we're no better off than when they started.