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ChaChing : 1/20/2020 5:36 pm
Apparently the NBA admitted that should have been a 5s call vs the Sixers, right b4 Harris' 3

Also apparently Love getting a little demonstrative on the court while his O wouldn't move the ball...you know, play basketball the right way...is "drama" and gets him fined by his team? Are these guys THAT sensitive nowadays? WTF do you expect a leader to do when they aren't playing well? NOT say anything? Maybe there was a better time or moment, but in game arm flailing for a justifiable reason no less (and he was right)...that's a fine?
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RE: Stars rarely have to be  
TyreeHelmet : 1/22/2020 8:39 am : link
In comment 14788801 nygiants16 said:
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are there late bloomers absolutely but 9 times out of 10 you know by year 2 if a player has what it takes to be a star player..

And a lot of times it is on the player and if he has the work ethic to become that player..


This is very true and doesnít get discussed enough.
Entire Knicks team went to David Stern's memorial yesterday.  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2020 11:34 am : link
Dolan covered all expenses, as it was held at Radio City. Nice gesture by the franchise.
Send Dennis Smith Jr to  
Jon in NYC : 1/22/2020 9:25 pm : link
Alaska. Holy shit.
RE: Send Dennis Smith Jr to  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2020 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14790226 Jon in NYC said:
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Alaska. Holy shit.


can we send frank with him?
team played a good first half but  
Del Shofner : 1/22/2020 9:52 pm : link
DSJ has to go and, while I've been a Frank supporter ... this game is the last straw - frankly (no pun intended), I could shoot the basketball better than him when I was in high school.
I can't stand watching Frank  
bceagle05 : 1/22/2020 10:00 pm : link
brick open shots all night. NBA players have to be able to put the ball in the basket. It sucks because he's a good kid who cares and has worked hard to improve a bit, but he just can't make a damn shot.
RE: I can't stand watching Frank  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2020 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14790257 bceagle05 said:
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brick open shots all night. NBA players have to be able to put the ball in the basket. It sucks because he's a good kid who cares and has worked hard to improve a bit, but he just can't make a damn shot.


Sometimes players just are not good enough, he is not good enough..

Knox- Works hard, has the tools, but just cant put it together..

Mitch- ceiling to me is tyson chandler, if he learns positioning and how to anchor a defense..
I have a feeling smith is getting traded  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2020 10:05 pm : link
he was questionable for the past month and then all of sudden he is active for this game?
You  
Jon in NYC : 1/22/2020 10:21 pm : link
know who I'd love for the Knicks to draft? Obi Toppin. Gives off really strong Amare vibes.
Begley says Malik Monk may be a trade target.  
bceagle05 : 1/23/2020 12:54 am : link
Mills/Perry can't get enough of the one-dimensional lottery busts.
Can the knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/23/2020 8:57 am : link
stop trading for other teams busts, like the knicks are some team where role players come and play better..

Now if he was traded to miami he would all of sudden be shooting 40% from 3..

Stop trying to develop busts, you drafted role players and until you get stars on the team those draft picks will continue to look like dogshit..

Infuriates me that Steve Mills  
bceagle05 : 1/23/2020 10:09 am : link
is still making decisions that will impact the future of the franchise.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/23/2020 10:12 am : link
like Toppin but he's going to be 22 in March, keep that in mind in comparing him to other potential picks. Hayes for example is 3 full years younger, as is Wiseman.
no more projects please  
nygiants16 : 1/23/2020 10:19 am : link
no more oh this guy will be good in 3 years, no more of that please, it doesnt work..

and not just for the knicks, for all teams dradting projects doesnt work
RE: Infuriates me that Steve Mills  
nygiants16 : 1/23/2020 10:27 am : link
In comment 14790653 bceagle05 said:
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is still making decisions that will impact the future of the franchise.


Problem is knicks have to trade some of these guys to get some sort of asset back..

you also have to trade 1 of morris or randle
RE: I  
Jon in NYC : 1/23/2020 10:29 am : link
In comment 14790658 DanMetroMan said:
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like Toppin but he's going to be 22 in March, keep that in mind in comparing him to other potential picks. Hayes for example is 3 full years younger, as is Wiseman.


Understood, but I think he's a stud. Great in the post, great feel for the game, can shoot, plus athlete.
RE: no more projects please  
DanMetroMan : 1/23/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 14790680 nygiants16 said:
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no more oh this guy will be good in 3 years, no more of that please, it doesnt work..

and not just for the knicks, for all teams dradting projects doesnt work


Why is every younger player a project? Killian Hayes is averaging 12.8, 6.2 assists, 39% from 3, 46% from the field, 91% from the line as an 18 year old playing in a professional league. Wiseman at 18 was averaging 20 and 11.
RE: RE: no more projects please  
nygiants16 : 1/23/2020 10:35 am : link
In comment 14790718 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14790680 nygiants16 said:


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no more oh this guy will be good in 3 years, no more of that please, it doesnt work..

and not just for the knicks, for all teams dradting projects doesnt work



Why is every younger player a project? Killian Hayes is averaging 12.8, 6.2 assists, 39% from 3, 46% from the field, 91% from the line as an 18 year old playing in a professional league. Wiseman at 18 was averaging 20 and 11.


where did i say every young player is a project? i was speakingnin general, i dont want another project
Which  
DanMetroMan : 1/23/2020 10:39 am : link
extremely high pick falls under "project" this year? I know very little about Maledon other than sounding like a Frank type but here is a projected "lotto" as of today. Who is the "project"? Every single one of these guys is ready for significant NBA minutes next season. Again, sans Maledon who I don't know much about.


1 Atlanta Anthony Edwards SG
2 Golden St. LaMelo Ball PG
3 New York James Wiseman C
4 Cleveland Obi Toppin SF/PF
5 Washington Jaden McDaniels SF/PF
6 Chicago Nico Mannion PG
7 New Orleans Deni Avdija SF
8 Detroit Daniel Oturu C
9 Charlotte Cole Anthony PG
10 Phoenix Vernon Carey PF/C
11 Minnesota Tyrese Haliburton PG
12 Sacramento Theo Maledon PG
13 Portland Isaac Okoro SF
RE: Which  
nygiants16 : 1/23/2020 10:41 am : link
In comment 14790737 DanMetroMan said:
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extremely high pick falls under "project" this year? I know very little about Maledon other than sounding like a Frank type but here is a projected "lotto" as of today. Who is the "project"? Every single one of these guys is ready for significant NBA minutes next season. Again, sans Maledon who I don't know much about.


1 Atlanta Anthony Edwards SG
2 Golden St. LaMelo Ball PG
3 New York James Wiseman C
4 Cleveland Obi Toppin SF/PF
5 Washington Jaden McDaniels SF/PF
6 Chicago Nico Mannion PG
7 New Orleans Deni Avdija SF
8 Detroit Daniel Oturu C
9 Charlotte Cole Anthony PG
10 Phoenix Vernon Carey PF/C
11 Minnesota Tyrese Haliburton PG
12 Sacramento Theo Maledon PG
13 Portland Isaac Okoro SF


i am not saying there is or isnt projects in thisbyears draft, i have not looked at it that closely..
Zion  
DanMetroMan : 1/23/2020 10:41 am : link
looked dominant. Hope he stays healthy.
Please please please  
Jon in NYC : 1/23/2020 10:42 am : link
stay away from Lamelo.
Obviously  
DanMetroMan : 1/23/2020 10:48 am : link
not an exciting outcome but defensively Okoro reminds me of PJ Tucker. Don't see how it happens but if we had a late lotto pick I'd be all over him.
According to begly  
nygiants16 : 1/23/2020 11:17 am : link
Mills and Perry told team they expected playoffs a d told players they signed they will stay on depending on win loss record rather than how they perform individually..

So basically they are judging morris on wins rather than his career year..
So much for the rebuild I guess.  
bceagle05 : 1/23/2020 11:28 am : link
Let's sign mercenaries and make a push for the eighth seed. At this point Perry doesn't get to hide behind Dolan and Mills - he's proven to be completely incompetent, too. He was brought here because he didn't have the stature to threaten Mills' job.
Like i said before  
nygiants16 : 1/23/2020 11:32 am : link
I dont care how you do it but the league is about stars, if your plan is not centered around that than your plan is never going to work..

RE: So much for the rebuild I guess.  
Jon in NYC : 1/23/2020 11:52 am : link
In comment 14790820 bceagle05 said:
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Let's sign mercenaries and make a push for the eighth seed. At this point Perry doesn't get to hide behind Dolan and Mills - he's proven to be completely incompetent, too. He was brought here because he didn't have the stature to threaten Mills' job.


Yup.
Wonder what the league is thinking right now  
ghost718 : 1/23/2020 12:48 pm : link
Dolan covering David Stern's expenses may be seen as a nice gesture on the surface,but beneath it,he could be trying to score points with the NBA.

With the ratings down,and a big market team being run this poorly,could we see some action?
Imagine if we had him  
Canton : 1/24/2020 4:12 am : link
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RE: I  
Greg from LI : 1/24/2020 7:39 am : link
In comment 14790658 DanMetroMan said:
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like Toppin but he's going to be 22 in March, keep that in mind in comparing him to other potential picks. Hayes for example is 3 full years younger, as is Wiseman.


That's the NBA cult of youth problem. That's how an immensely talented and accomplished player like Malcolm Brogdon somehow lasts until the second round.

I'd be very happy with Obi Toppin.
The problem is that...  
Italianju : 1/24/2020 8:35 am : link
Brogdon is the outlier. That said i dont care as much about age as i do amount of time in college. If a guy is in college for 3-4 years then he should be absolutely dominating if he is going to be a stud pro. A guy like toppin is a bit old, but only a sophomore. NBA teams are just trying to hit a HR too often and "projecting" what a guy could be if everything breaks right.
Buddy Hield benched by kings  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2020 5:49 pm : link
Should he be a trade target? just signed extension
I think that SAC is...  
Italianju : 1/24/2020 5:52 pm : link
trying to showcase bogdan who the knicks should also be interested in.
Neither  
Jon in NYC : 1/24/2020 5:55 pm : link
player will be particularly cheap, nor are they particularly young. They're nice players but don't move the needle imo.

I also don't love the idea of moving RJ to the 3 just yet.
bogdan is an impending...  
Italianju : 1/24/2020 5:59 pm : link
FA, i forgot that SAC didnt pick up his option or whatever. So knicks should keep an eye on him, but no reason to trade any asset for him.

RE: I think that SAC is...  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2020 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14792893 Italianju said:
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trying to showcase bogdan who the knicks should also be interested in.


but why risk alienating Hield?
They're making room for Kyle Guy  
Greg from LI : 1/24/2020 7:48 pm : link
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Why do fans continue to show up  
djm : 1/24/2020 8:02 pm : link
.. i know the knicks are leading, might even win, but Iím starting to get annoyed with this loyal and dedicated fan base of ours. So cheerful. So happy to be there they hardly ever even boo anymore. I question whether things would remain the same if msg was dead night after night. Not that change ensures anything good here... the stink and grotesque just changes its shape.
Frank is horrendous.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2020 8:11 pm : link
Knox might be worse.
refs are horrible  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2020 8:20 pm : link
Tony brothers continues to be worst in the sport
Following on phone.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2020 8:24 pm : link
We were winning for a minute then reality took over...
BTW, Bill Simmons had a pod earlier this week  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2020 8:26 pm : link
About LJ's 4 point play game vs. Pacers in '99. Back when we played in May. I'd take relevant March basketball nowadays.
RE: Following on phone.  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2020 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14793086 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We were winning for a minute then reality took over...


frank and knox came into the game
Dotson having himself a game  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2020 9:29 pm : link
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RE: Dotson having himself a game  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2020 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14793173 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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i have been hard on him, but man would that be a huge plus if he could be a consistent 3 and d..

and coach rewarding him with minutes
Hard to believe people are cheering this shit  
ghost718 : 1/24/2020 9:46 pm : link
It's gotta be like another fake Rock Ridge,but with sound effects.
dotson with 2 of the dumbest defensive possessions  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2020 9:46 pm : link
i have ever seen
Siakim.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2020 9:47 pm : link
Dude is a beast.
RE: Siakim.  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2020 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14793192 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Dude is a beast.


1 of the few stars in todays game that was developed and a late bloomer
Paytonni think be a great back up point  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2020 9:54 pm : link
if he could shoot he would be a hell of a player..

Have to trade 1 of morris or randle, i prefer to keep randle, but can see why people want to keep morris..

Trade portis for whatever you can get..

Trade ellington for peanuts..

trade smith for a 2nd round pick.

trade frank for a 2nd round pick or peanuts..

keep bullock, keep gibson but off the bench..

Keep Knox for now
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