for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Colombo to interview Wednesday for OL coach

ryanmkeane : 1/20/2020 8:48 pm
Per Jordan. asshat called it!
Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
RE: BTW, regarding Colombo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/20/2020 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14787603 Anakim said:
Quote:
According to Football Outsiders, the Cowboys offensive line was near the top in nearly all their offensive line metrics:

Second in adjusted line yards
Sixth in running back yards
Second in power rank
First in stuffed rank
First in second level rank
Second in pass protection
Second in sacks allowed
Second in adjusted sack rate
Second overall

Even for you PFF guys, Pro Football Focus graded the Cowboys offensive line fourth overall. The unit received the third best run blocking grade and the fifth best pass blocking grade.


You also have to factor in the players he was coaching. He had an all-star line. Everyone knows that.
RE: Anak  
TheWalrus : 1/20/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14787600 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
"plenty of red flags"?

I don't see "plenty".

The one you raise is important, but he appears to have gotten results where he went.


This REALLY bothers me when it comes to DD.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/28/indianapolis-colts-denzelle-good-oakland-raiders-dave-deguglielmo-release/
RE: on the flip side  
Anakim : 1/20/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14787605 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
the "red flag" with Colombo is his "limited" experience as a coach plus the Cowboys willing to part ways with him.


I have no idea who is better. I wanted Callahan but that was mainly based on name recognition and his resume.


Sure, but you can also look at it this way: McCarthy wanted his own guy in Joe Philbin (as has been reported all year) and the only guy it looks like he retained was Kellen Moore, who is a rising, young star in the coaching ranks.
RE: RE: Anak  
TheWalrus : 1/20/2020 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14787611 TheWalrus said:
Quote:
In comment 14787600 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


"plenty of red flags"?

I don't see "plenty".

The one you raise is important, but he appears to have gotten results where he went.



This REALLY bothers me when it comes to DD.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/28/indianapolis-colts-denzelle-good-oakland-raiders-dave-deguglielmo-release/

Sorry for the broken link - ( New Window )
Given the low threshold that was Hal Hunter  
GFAN52 : 1/20/2020 9:22 pm : link
I'm excited to have Colombo join the staff.
RE: RE: BTW, regarding Colombo  
Anakim : 1/20/2020 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14787608 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
In comment 14787603 Anakim said:


Quote:


According to Football Outsiders, the Cowboys offensive line was near the top in nearly all their offensive line metrics:

Second in adjusted line yards
Sixth in running back yards
Second in power rank
First in stuffed rank
First in second level rank
Second in pass protection
Second in sacks allowed
Second in adjusted sack rate
Second overall

Even for you PFF guys, Pro Football Focus graded the Cowboys offensive line fourth overall. The unit received the third best run blocking grade and the fifth best pass blocking grade.



You also have to factor in the players he was coaching. He had an all-star line. Everyone knows that.


Fair point. But in 2018 the Cowboys were 31st in fewest sacks allowed. Houston was the only team that allowed more. In 2019, they were 2nd in fewest with the Rams only allowing fewer. That's 33 fewer sacks in 2019 than 2018!!
RE: it  
Pheonix Orion : 1/20/2020 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14787566 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
seems to me that they really were waiting on Callahan.


Certainly seemed that way
Walrus  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2020 9:27 pm : link
that story regarding Guge is not a great look if itís all true. That being said, it shouldnít necessarily be a reason not to hire the guy. Plenty of stuff about coaches comes out throughout their career regarding players. This one is obviously not great, but I wouldnít call it a deal breaker.
My  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/20/2020 9:34 pm : link
gut tells me Colombo is probably the better fit as Garrett has familiarity with him and Garrett will really be running the offense.

But I would not count out DeGuglielmo. Judge doesn't seem to be concerned about him.
RE: My  
GFAN52 : 1/20/2020 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14787626 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
gut tells me Colombo is probably the better fit as Garrett has familiarity with him and Garrett will really be running the offense.

But I would not count out DeGuglielmo. Judge doesn't seem to be concerned about him.


One would think the Garrett connection would win out in his new role as OC having to work closely with the offensive coaches.
RE: Walrus  
TheWalrus : 1/20/2020 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14787622 ryanmkeane said:
Quote:
that story regarding Guge is not a great look if itís all true. That being said, it shouldnít necessarily be a reason not to hire the guy. Plenty of stuff about coaches comes out throughout their career regarding players. This one is obviously not great, but I wouldnít call it a deal breaker.


I agree it's not a deal breaker, but there is a pattern between that story and smaller ones like him spitting his dipspit at reporters with the Jets that the guy is a jackass. If he can toughen up our offensive line like he did in Indy and Judge can work with him, so be it. But I think there's a reason he keeps changing jobs and that's because people can't stand him. I'd much rather have Colombo.
It's true Colombo had better talent  
jcn56 : 1/20/2020 10:18 pm : link
it's also true that he helped the FO pick that talent - and maybe it's possible the Giants need someone who knows what a competent offensive lineman looks like.
RE: It's true Colombo had better talent  
Anakim : 1/20/2020 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14787655 jcn56 said:
Quote:
it's also true that he helped the FO pick that talent


Wait, where do you get this from?
Important hire  
MookGiants : 1/20/2020 10:29 pm : link
but no one that is going to make shit shine. Talent needs a massive upgrade. Zeitler is the most overrated player I've maybe ever seen by this board. Hernandez is the one guy I think will make a big jump with a better o-line coach, the rest of the line I would be looking to upgrade as soon as possible
RE: It's true Colombo had better talent  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/20/2020 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14787655 jcn56 said:
Quote:
it's also true that he helped the FO pick that talent -


A source for that would be nice to read.
Columbo  
Archer : 1/20/2020 10:54 pm : link
I heard Columbo interviewed when coaching the Cowboys
I am looking for the interview but you can probably find a copy on the net

He sounds like the prototype of what Judge wants in a coach
No nonsense, intense, fixated on technique, a teacher, and wants tough players

He had a great line but he challenged them to play better and had no problem calling them out

RE: RE: It's true Colombo had better talent  
jcn56 : 1/20/2020 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14787657 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 14787655 jcn56 said:


Quote:


it's also true that he helped the FO pick that talent



Wait, where do you get this from?


I can't find the article I wanted, which also referenced his connection to Parcells, but here's another. He came up as a scouting intern before he coached:

Quote:
In 2014, Colombo joined the Cowboys' scouting staff as an intern. He worked with personnel chief Will McClay, putting together reports on players. McClay wanted Colombo to experience what the behind-the-scenes-life as a scout was like, and he also wanted his scouts to see what a player sees in breaking down film.


Now, bear in mind I said he helped - he wasn't the puppetmaster or architect of the current Dallas OL.
https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4768293/marc-colombo-brings-the-energy-back-to-cowboys-offensive-line - ( New Window )
Thanks for the kudos all..  
gmangill : 1/21/2020 6:35 am : link
Just sharing what I heard from Marcs Dad.... Excited to finally contribute as an official "Asshat"!

long time lurker... Seldom poster... Get all my NYG info from BBI... Have enjoyed it since "ye olde days" w/ Pete's Corner.

Marcs dad knows how big a Giants fan I am... He should send me an update after the interview on Wednesday... If he does I will share it.

Don't know how it will all end up.... Cant help but being optimistic with the regime change.
RE: Thanks for the kudos all..  
GFAN52 : 1/21/2020 6:39 am : link
In comment 14787734 gmangill said:
Quote:
Just sharing what I heard from Marcs Dad.... Excited to finally contribute as an official "Asshat"!

long time lurker... Seldom poster... Get all my NYG info from BBI... Have enjoyed it since "ye olde days" w/ Pete's Corner.

Marcs dad knows how big a Giants fan I am... He should send me an update after the interview on Wednesday... If he does I will share it.

Don't know how it will all end up.... Cant help but being optimistic with the regime change.


Hope Marc gets hired so we could have potentially more inside Asshat info form you.
Pete's Corner  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/21/2020 6:46 am : link
Now that is a blast from the past. Had forgotten that.
Anikim: I think there are simpler explanations for the reduced sacks.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/21/2020 7:20 am : link
Anakim said:
Quote:
But in 2018 the Cowboys were 31st in fewest sacks allowed. Houston was the only team that allowed more. In 2019, they were 2nd in fewest with the Rams only allowing fewer. That's 33 fewer sacks in 2019 than 2018!!
Travis Frederick missed the entire 2018 season. Connor Williams was a rookie; he was so bad he got benched halfway through the season. They had to use him later when Zack Martin got hurt. Martin has missed just two games in his career - both in 2018.

Tyron Smith was also banged up that year; but at this point that doesn't really distinguish 2018 from most other seasons.
One guy whose performance improved dramatically: La'el Collins.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/21/2020 7:33 am : link
Collins went from goat to star this year. Hard to know how much that has to do with Colombo, or whether it's a coincidence that Collins plays Colombo's old position. Colombo was probably working closely with Collins from 2016 on; so if he deserves credit for LC shining in 2019, he has to bear some blame for LC's struggles the previous year.

Most likely, Collins is just a whole lot better when he has Frederick and a healthy Martin to his left, and a wily veteran TE (welcome back, Jason Witten) protecting his flank.
What are the odds  
figgy2989 : 1/21/2020 7:37 am : link
That Jordan read BBI before sending out that tweet.
Oh well  
5BowlsSoon : 1/21/2020 7:45 am : link
Not to be negative here, and just talk8mg our loud, but....

I would have preferred....

Gruden + Callahan

Over

Garrett + DD

It seems clear to me Callahan probably didnít come here because of Garrett.
RE: Important hire  
Klaatu : 1/21/2020 7:53 am : link
In comment 14787659 MookGiants said:
Quote:
but no one that is going to make shit shine. Talent needs a massive upgrade. Zeitler is the most overrated player I've maybe ever seen by this board. Hernandez is the one guy I think will make a big jump with a better o-line coach, the rest of the line I would be looking to upgrade as soon as possible


Bingo. I hope Joe Judge feels the same way.
RE: RE: Important hire  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/21/2020 8:12 am : link
In comment 14787754 Klaatu said:
Quote:
In comment 14787659 MookGiants said:


Quote:


but no one that is going to make shit shine. Talent needs a massive upgrade. Zeitler is the most overrated player I've maybe ever seen by this board. Hernandez is the one guy I think will make a big jump with a better o-line coach, the rest of the line I would be looking to upgrade as soon as possible



Bingo. I hope Joe Judge feels the same way.


I think he does. He didn't really go out of his way to compliment any individual player or unit. Yes, he said we have talent in the locker room. But he didn't really go out of his way to compliment anyone, really.
RE: RE: Colombo vs. Jacobs  
djstat : 1/21/2020 8:29 am : link
In comment 14787573 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
In comment 14787568 Anakim said:


Quote:


With cameos by Derek Hagan and Kevin Gilbride



Would be a much more inspiring option than DeGugliemo Link - ( New Window ) AGreed.



I think DeGugliemo is getting a bit of a bad rap around here.
Here is the video  
LS : 1/21/2020 9:00 am : link
that was previously posted
Colombo - ( New Window )
Maybe the Giants OL needs a hard-ass SOB coach  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/21/2020 9:16 am : link
DeGuglielmoís rep doesnít necessarily scare me off.
Guge's  
ryanmkeane : 1/21/2020 9:23 am : link
rep kind of reminds me of Gregg Williams. Someone who is a good coach but people not affiliated with the organization don't really care for.
.  
GiantEgo : 1/21/2020 9:23 am : link
I think it says something that DeGugliemo keeps getting hired he hasn't been on the scrap heap like Hal Hunter.
RE: Here is the video  
5BowlsSoon : 1/21/2020 9:28 am : link
In comment 14787827 LS said:
Quote:
that was previously posted Colombo - ( New Window )


I agree, this approach (His words on this video) should put a big smile on JJs face.
RE: Here is the video  
5BowlsSoon : 1/21/2020 9:35 am : link
In comment 14787827 LS said:
Quote:
that was previously posted Colombo - ( New Window )


I agree, this approach (His words on this video) should put a big smile on JJs face.
RE: Here is the video  
Mike from Ohio : 1/21/2020 9:36 am : link
In comment 14787827 LS said:
Quote:
that was previously posted Colombo - ( New Window )


Itís hard to listen to that interview and not hear a guy who sounds a lot like Judge. Seems to be a good fit, at least from an outsiderís perspective.

And a big thank you to Gill! Excellent asshat info last night.
Good video  
bronxct1 : 1/21/2020 10:17 am : link
This definitely seems like someone Judge would love. The O-Line needs more talent for sure, but if they can get a coach to come in and clean up the groups technique and help design blocking schemes that play to the players strengths I think we could see a jump from the group thats still on the roster in 2020.
After reading a bit on both  
Pheonix Orion : 1/21/2020 10:25 am : link
I think both will be a clear upgrade to Hunter. The better of the two? Well DD had 2 top OLs under him in Indy and the Jets arguably with lesser talent than Columbo has had with Boys.
RE: Anikim: I think there are simpler explanations for the reduced sacks.  
Anakim : 1/21/2020 10:28 am : link
In comment 14787744 Big Blue Blogger said:
Quote:
Anakim said:

Quote:


But in 2018 the Cowboys were 31st in fewest sacks allowed. Houston was the only team that allowed more. In 2019, they were 2nd in fewest with the Rams only allowing fewer. That's 33 fewer sacks in 2019 than 2018!!

Travis Frederick missed the entire 2018 season. Connor Williams was a rookie; he was so bad he got benched halfway through the season. They had to use him later when Zack Martin got hurt. Martin has missed just two games in his career - both in 2018.

Tyron Smith was also banged up that year; but at this point that doesn't really distinguish 2018 from most other seasons.


Colombo took over after 7 games in 2018. He inherited Frederick missing the season and Williams' rookie growing pains. More notably, he had to work around Smith and Martin getting banged up in the second of that season.
thank god  
gtt350 : 1/21/2020 10:30 am : link
,
RE: After reading a bit on both  
Fast Eddie : 1/21/2020 10:38 am : link
In comment 14787964 Pheonix Orion said:
Quote:
I think both will be a clear upgrade to Hunter. The better of the two? Well DD had 2 top OLs under him in Indy and the Jets arguably with lesser talent than Columbo has had with Boys.


This ^
Anikim: That's exactly my point.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/21/2020 10:49 am : link
2018 was an aberration for the Dallas line and would have been a mess (at least in terms of pass-blocking) no matter who was coaching them. They reverted to their norm in 2019, and may even have improved a bit on their 2015-2017 level. I can see giving Colombo some credit for that, but the comparison between 2018 and any other year is somewhat apples-and-oranges because of Frederick's total absence and some other anomalies. It seems logical that pass protection was the place where they would miss their All-Pro center the most.
RE: RE: It's true Colombo had better talent  
giants#1 : 1/21/2020 10:53 am : link
In comment 14787657 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 14787655 jcn56 said:


Quote:


it's also true that he helped the FO pick that talent



Wait, where do you get this from?


Colombo joined the Dallas staff as assistant OL coach in 2016. How did he help acquire Smith (2011), Frederick (2013) and Martin (2014)? Even La'el Collins preceded him.
RE: RE: RE: Colombo vs. Jacobs  
Victor in CT : 1/21/2020 11:45 am : link
In comment 14787594 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 14787573 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


In comment 14787568 Anakim said:


Quote:


With cameos by Derek Hagan and Kevin Gilbride



Would be a much more inspiring option than DeGugliemo Link - ( New Window )



I think DeGugliemo is getting a bit of a bad rap around here.



That may be, but he comes with plenty of red flags, most notably his inability to stay in one place for long.


Jets for one year
New England for two years
San Diego for one year
Miami for one year
Indianapolis for one year
Back to Miami for one year


Ever read Bill Parcells' resume'?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Colombo vs. Jacobs  
Big Blue '56 : 1/21/2020 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14788045 Victor in CT said:
Quote:
In comment 14787594 Anakim said:


Quote:


In comment 14787573 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


In comment 14787568 Anakim said:


Quote:


With cameos by Derek Hagan and Kevin Gilbride



Would be a much more inspiring option than DeGugliemo Link - ( New Window )



I think DeGugliemo is getting a bit of a bad rap around here.



That may be, but he comes with plenty of red flags, most notably his inability to stay in one place for long.


Jets for one year
New England for two years
San Diego for one year
Miami for one year
Indianapolis for one year
Back to Miami for one year



Ever read Bill Parcells' resume'?


😂
My die hard Cowboy fan friend just text me this about COLUMBO  
5BowlsSoon : 1/21/2020 3:18 pm : link
The only reason we we're as good as we were in 2018 is because halfway through the season our old offensive line coach was canned and Colombo took over. We were immediately better once he took over. He is good, I wish we had not lost him.

So, Columbo took over half way through....so their bad stats was not on him.

I WANT THIS GUY BADLY NOW.....PLEASE JJ FORGET YOUR FRIEND DD and pick the best one.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Colombo vs. Jacobs  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/21/2020 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14788045 Victor in CT said:
Quote:
In comment 14787594 Anakim said:


Quote:


In comment 14787573 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


In comment 14787568 Anakim said:


Quote:


With cameos by Derek Hagan and Kevin Gilbride



Would be a much more inspiring option than DeGugliemo Link - ( New Window )



I think DeGugliemo is getting a bit of a bad rap around here.



That may be, but he comes with plenty of red flags, most notably his inability to stay in one place for long.


Jets for one year
New England for two years
San Diego for one year
Miami for one year
Indianapolis for one year
Back to Miami for one year



Ever read Bill Parcells' resume'?


That's Bill Parcells, though. Not some random OL coach.
More love for COLUMBO  
5BowlsSoon : 1/21/2020 3:22 pm : link
I watched both his interview and DDís interview on YouTube and Columbo came across much smarter and better focused on what needs to be done. Plus, he commands respect when you look at him...very sharp, well spoken young man, about 40 years old.

PLEASE PLEASE PICK HIM, PLEASE
RE: My die hard Cowboy fan friend just text me this about COLUMBO  
Anakim : 1/21/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14788418 5BowlsSoon said:
Quote:
The only reason we we're as good as we were in 2018 is because halfway through the season our old offensive line coach was canned and Colombo took over. We were immediately better once he took over. He is good, I wish we had not lost him.

So, Columbo took over half way through....so their bad stats was not on him.

I WANT THIS GUY BADLY NOW.....PLEASE JJ FORGET YOUR FRIEND DD and pick the best one.


Partially right. Alexander coached 6 games in 2018 and the Cowboys game up with 23 sacks during that time (which is all they gave up in 2019, mind you). Colombo coached the remaining 10 games and the Cowboys gave up 33 sacks during that time.
RE: RE: My die hard Cowboy fan friend just text me this about COLUMBO  
5BowlsSoon : 1/21/2020 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14788443 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 14788418 5BowlsSoon said:


Quote:


The only reason we we're as good as we were in 2018 is because halfway through the season our old offensive line coach was canned and Colombo took over. We were immediately better once he took over. He is good, I wish we had not lost him.

So, Columbo took over half way through....so their bad stats was not on him.

I WANT THIS GUY BADLY NOW.....PLEASE JJ FORGET YOUR FRIEND DD and pick the best one.



Partially right. Alexander coached 6 games in 2018 and the Cowboys game up with 23 sacks during that time (which is all they gave up in 2019, mind you). Colombo coached the remaining 10 games and the Cowboys gave up 33 sacks during that time.


Well, coming in during the season doesnít mean they immediately start to implement his plan and ideas from the get go. Iím sure it takes a while before you make that complete transition in the way you are doing things. He obviously didnít have a preseason to work on this and instill it to his players, so it was a live on the job transition that had to be done.

I think you would agree that this transition would take up to 4 weeks to move out the old and bring in the new. It isnít something done overnight. So weeks 7-10 were weeks the players were both getting, implementing, and feeling better about the new ways from the new sheriff in town. Iím just guessing these weeks, but I bet weeks 12-16 were much better than weeks 7-11.
I think weíre seeking meaning in a tiny sample.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/21/2020 4:18 pm : link
Dallas reduced their sacks per game from 3.86 to 3.33 when Colombo took over in 2018? Maybe he had an impact, or maybe Looney just got settled in a bit and the line calls improved. Maybe they just faced the fact, after nine more sacks in losses to Washington and Tennessee, that Connor Williams needed some time on the bench.
RE: on the flip side  
Spider56 : 1/21/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14787605 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
the "red flag" with Colombo is his "limited" experience as a coach plus the Cowboys willing to part ways with him.


I have no idea who is better. I wanted Callahan but that was mainly based on name recognition and his resume.


If nothing else, coming from Dallas and their all pro OL, Colombo will be able to give an objective assessment of how good (or bad) our current personnel are, and what needs to be done to be dominant.
Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
Back to the Corner