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I am asking for fans here to confirm to me that Garrett is a

plato : 1/20/2020 10:03 pm
devotee of the “ air coryell” “sid gilman” offense. If so it i’ll be interesting to see how the giants possibly institute this with their current roster.

I watched Coryell develop this in St. louis in the early 70’s with the Cardinals and then was fascinated and amazed by Mike Martz “tweaking” of this to the “greatest show on turf” with the Rams, first as OC, then as head coach after Vermeil retired with a super bowl victory from his offensive coordinator’s offense.

The problem is this vertical offense requires a strong and big offensive line that can hold its blocks, a strong sturdy qb who can take a beating, yet put the ball donfild to a spot, at least to two very fast wr’s who can run to the spot, a rb who can pass pro, is quick and a great receiver. Watching this work at the game is amazing in a way that tv can really never show. The St. louis fans i don’t think really appreciated how great this offense was with Kurt Warner running it and all the parts working.nKurt took a beating but he could put the ball to spot where the receivers got to it.

i’ll leave it there it’s too long already but who here thinks the giants roster can make this offense work without a lot of reconstruction. DJ has the spot accuracy and ability to take a hit does he have the arm? Probably but the rest of the equation seems a long way away.

Please let me know and if it’s all not worth it I can delete.
My impression is he is not at all  
PatersonPlank : 1/20/2020 10:09 pm : link
In fact on a scale I think he swings to the other side. Physical lines, 50/50 pass-run breakdown. That's what the Cowboys did,and that pretty much what he said in interviews.
Garrett  
Mike in NY : 1/20/2020 10:16 pm : link
It is hard to pin him down to a specific scheme. He has played or coached under a diverse group of offensive minds. Barry Switzer, Jim Fassel, Jon Gruden, Nick Saban. From watching him in Dallas he does appear to try and work with his team’s strengths. At times can get pass happy, but I think that is one of the dangers of today’s NFL and outlawing defense.
I just “googled” this and found Pat Traina, as usual, has an in depth  
plato : 1/20/2020 10:33 pm : link
article on this. So i’ll leave this but suggest those interested might check her article out. Makes some interesting points about Garrett’s “needs” as OC.
Warner did not have a strong arm but was accurate  
V.I.G. : 1/20/2020 10:37 pm : link
Jones could be fine in this too.

OL is another matter entirely - unless they find the next Orlando pace.
I never would have thought of Dallas's offense as being similar to  
Ivan15 : 1/20/2020 10:53 pm : link
Air Coryell. Dallas has always struck me as having a mid-range pass game. Crossing patterns as in the WCO but more downfield.

No 8-yard passes on 3rd and 10. More 10-20 yard plays and some 20+ yard plays than we have seen in the past 4 years. These still require better pass blocking than the Giants have been delivering.
RE: I never would have thought of Dallas's offense as being similar to  
eric2425ny : 1/20/2020 11:03 pm : link
In comment 14787675 Ivan15 said:
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Air Coryell. Dallas has always struck me as having a mid-range pass game. Crossing patterns as in the WCO but more downfield.

No 8-yard passes on 3rd and 10. More 10-20 yard plays and some 20+ yard plays than we have seen in the past 4 years. These still require better pass blocking than the Giants have been delivering.


Agreed Ivan, the poor pass blocking really exposed us in Gilbride’s last few season as OC because they couldn’t protect Eli long enough for him to hit teams with the long passes. We really need to load up on the offensive line this year through draft/FA. Jones being a mobile guy makes things a bit easier though.
Mike Martz?  
Manning10 : 1/21/2020 3:27 am : link
I wouldn't want any part of a Martz type offense unless you play in a dome or San Diego.
The so called Greatest Show on Turf had an entertaining run for a few years with two Super Bowl appearance's.
But Belichek and the Tampa Two defense was able to slow it down.
Garrett came on board to bring his expertise and Play Judges New England approach of being a Fluid and flexible offense.
Another consideration  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/21/2020 6:16 am : link
I have heard people who know much more than I say that the Dallas offense was fairly simplistic -- very little use of motion or deception, basic route tree, simplistic running game. I worry that JG will bring that approach with him. With our roster that will be disastrous.
Dallas ran a more balanced offense  
GFAN52 : 1/21/2020 6:41 am : link
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RE: Another consideration  
RobCarpenter : 1/21/2020 6:50 am : link
In comment 14787732 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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I have heard people who know much more than I say that the Dallas offense was fairly simplistic -- very little use of motion or deception, basic route tree, simplistic running game. I worry that JG will bring that approach with him. With our roster that will be disastrous.


Seemed to work pretty well for Dallas. Particularly when they were playing the Giants.
Plato: if you want people to read your posts, try using a bit more  
Ivan15 : 1/21/2020 7:01 am : link
punctuation. Also, review what you write before posting.
1 thing is painfully obvious ....😬  
Spider56 : 1/21/2020 8:24 am : link
On 3rd and long, he often relies on the TE to be open down the field for big gains to crush the spirits of outmanned defenses ... and their frustrated fan base.
RE: Another consideration  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/21/2020 8:27 am : link
In comment 14787732 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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I have heard people who know much more than I say that the Dallas offense was fairly simplistic -- very little use of motion or deception, basic route tree, simplistic running game. I worry that JG will bring that approach with him. With our roster that will be disastrous.


Dallas is likely around the league average in using motion. They used it between 7% and 11% of the time last season.
Pre-Snap motion - ( New Window )
More importantly, from that article the Giants rank 27th  
jcn56 : 1/21/2020 8:56 am : link
in pre-snap motion, so it's hard to imagine they could possibly use less even if Garrett wasn't a huge advocate.
The GSOT and Dallas' recent offense  
Glover : 1/21/2020 9:26 am : link
are both great. GSOT: Jones might be a poor man's Warner with more mobility. Barkley is an incredible athlete, but needs a lot of work to be compared to Faulk as a receiver. Dont need a TE, and all you need is a Issac Bruce, Torrey Holt, Az Hakim, and Ricky Proehl. That shouldnt be too hard to assemble, right? And Oh yea, Gotta have an Oline to open holes and protect for 3 or 4 seconds. That offense was great because of the talent of the players.

Dallas' offense is more likely to be replicated. First draft O linemen early for 3 years, got the RB who can make the most of every carry, and can be serviceable as a receiver. Need to get a 2 way TE, which has been elusive for the Giants to say the least. Slayton could become a consistent, capable, deep receiver, and Shepard is a nice slot receiver who also blocks, and Tate, is Tate. Matching Dallas' WR corps is not an impossible task. And Jones could very well be more effective than Prescott, taking advantage of a vicious run game and surprise defenses with roll outs, bootlegs, and the like.
So, Giants closer to Dallas' offense IMO, and that wouldnt make me mad, with the hope that Jones could be a better passer with the same mobility.
Didn't Dallas under Garrett  
JohnF : 1/21/2020 10:04 am : link
run a lot of 2 TE's? I don't remember if he used the Fullback a lot in his later years there, but that would be a welcome addition to the run game. Using Engram as an H Back might be an option as well (so we can keep a blocking TE on the line).
RE: I just “googled” this and found Pat Traina, as usual, has an in depth  
Mike in Prescott : 1/21/2020 10:21 am : link
In comment 14787662 plato said:
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article on this. So i’ll leave this but suggest those interested might check her article out. Makes some interesting points about Garrett’s “needs” as OC.

Link please?
we'll need a stud receiver  
Platos : 1/21/2020 10:21 am : link
maybe its Darius... we'll see. But this year will do us real good to trade down and hopefully get another 2nd rounder.
Garrett is more of a Norv Turner acolyte.  
Section331 : 1/21/2020 10:54 am : link
Norv is from the Air Coryell school, but he uses a lot more horizontal spread as well as vertical. Like Coryell, he emphasizes the TE a lot, but also mixes in RB's into the passing game more than Coryell ever did.
ivan 15: I try to type and proof as best i can. I have problems with  
plato : 1/21/2020 2:48 pm : link
my peripheral nerve which make my typing problematic. I apologize. It’s why I try not to have long posts. It actually does take me som time even for this.
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