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NGT: Reid won't let Eagles grab one of his coaches for OC

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/21/2020 12:12 pm
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#Chiefs QB coach Mike Kafka will stick on Andy Reid’s coaching staff in 2020, sources say. The #Eagles had interest in Kafka as an OC candidate but they’re aware Reid isn’t letting him go. No official request so he technically wasn’t blocked. Possible he gets a new title in KC.
Do they have to give permission for a QB coach  
jcn56 : 1/21/2020 12:14 pm : link
to move up to OC?
RE: Do they have to give permission for a QB coach  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/21/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14788081 jcn56 said:
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to move up to OC?


I didn't think so, but I saw a tweet a week or so ago that said ANY promotion other than to HC needs permission.
RE: Do they have to give permission for a QB coach  
Mike from Ohio : 1/21/2020 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14788081 jcn56 said:
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to move up to OC?


Yes. OC and DC are no different than any other position coaches. Only HC is a true promotion.
Damn, I remember Kafka as a QB at Northwestern  
figgy2989 : 1/21/2020 12:18 pm : link
Good for Reid, he obviously sees Kafka as an up an comer and doesn't want to let him go. What can he get for a promotion though? Bienemy is still the OC.
Duggan  
crackerjack465 : 1/21/2020 12:18 pm : link
explained this on one of his podcast's recently.

It's essentially HC, and anything else. Unless you're moving from anything else to HC, it's not considered a promotion, meaning you have to ask permission.
RE: RE: Do they have to give permission for a QB coach  
Giants38 : 1/21/2020 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14788083 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14788081 jcn56 said:


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to move up to OC?



I didn't think so, but I saw a tweet a week or so ago that said ANY promotion other than to HC needs permission.


They changed this rule a few years back. Before it was Position Coach - Coordinator - Head Coach. Now it is just assistants and Head Coach.

Most coaches don't block position coaches from promotions to coordinators, and I think they do it for two reasons: 1) it's not really the right thing to do; and 2) they look like jack wagons, which may hurt their ability to recruit position coaches in the future.

Reid may be doing this for a couple reasons: 1) he may still feel burned by the Eagles for what transpired; and 2) he assumes that he will lose Bieniemy to a HC position in the near future (he has already endorsed the guy to be a HC), and Kafka may be who he has in mind to succeed Bieniemy.
RE: RE: RE: Do they have to give permission for a QB coach  
Mike in NY : 1/21/2020 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14788109 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14788083 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 14788081 jcn56 said:


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to move up to OC?



I didn't think so, but I saw a tweet a week or so ago that said ANY promotion other than to HC needs permission.



They changed this rule a few years back. Before it was Position Coach - Coordinator - Head Coach. Now it is just assistants and Head Coach.

Most coaches don't block position coaches from promotions to coordinators, and I think they do it for two reasons: 1) it's not really the right thing to do; and 2) they look like jack wagons, which may hurt their ability to recruit position coaches in the future.

Reid may be doing this for a couple reasons: 1) he may still feel burned by the Eagles for what transpired; and 2) he assumes that he will lose Bieniemy to a HC position in the near future (he has already endorsed the guy to be a HC), and Kafka may be who he has in mind to succeed Bieniemy.


After teams tried to use Assistant Head Coach to get around permission rules NFL changed its policies on this
Reid is smart  
5BowlsSoon : 1/21/2020 12:37 pm : link
Reid gave his blessing to Bieniemy to Be a HC, but won’t give it for him to be another OC. Of course, his blessings weren’t needed for Bieniemy to interview for a HC spot.
Reid's done it before,  
MOOPS : 1/21/2020 12:39 pm : link
while in Philly.
Rule or not,  
Pete in MD : 1/21/2020 12:54 pm : link
it's usually considered a shitty thing to do. I'm sure NFL OCs make a good amount more than QB coaches do. Not to mention, it's another step to the top of the profession.
It's always been this way  
bluepepper : 1/21/2020 1:35 pm : link
The coaches are under contract. They can't just go leave for another job anymore than an under contrace backup CB can leave for a starting job The league carved out an exception for promotions to HC and that's it.

Every HC in the league has probably blocked assistants. Coughlin did it with Peter Giunta one year. Belichick of course has done it. Zimmer did it with Stefanski when Shurmur wanted him. On and on.

We got Spags back in '07 only because Reid had blocked him the year before and promised he'd let him take the next DC job offered.

HC do have to worry about alienating their assistants and keeping them motivated. That's the only reason you see so much movement.
RE: Reid is smart  
Dankbeerman : 1/21/2020 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14788117 5BowlsSoon said:
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Reid gave his blessing to Bieniemy to Be a HC, but won’t give it for him to be another OC. Of course, his blessings weren’t needed for Bieniemy to interview for a HC spot.


He probably thinks Bieniemy is a gone soon and wants Kaffka as his OC in waiting
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