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NFT: Derek Jeter is Officially a Hall of Famer

Dave in Hoboken : 1/21/2020 6:36 pm
From the Baseball HOF's official Twitter account:

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National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum & #9918;
@baseballhall

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Welcome to Cooperstown, Derek Jeter! #HOF2020
@Yankees


He was one vote short of being voted unanimously, apparently. Even still, Derek Jeter is officially a Hall of Famer! Always good to see yet another Yankee in Cooperstown! Congrats to Jeter.


(There is a thread asking a question about Jeter from early today, but not a thread since it's official that he is a HOF'er. Thought this deserves its own thread.
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Congratulations Captain.  
section125 : 1/21/2020 6:38 pm : link
Well done and well deserved.
Haha  
UConn4523 : 1/21/2020 6:39 pm : link
Iím sure that 1 guy is fun at parties.
Glad to see  
Stan in LA : 1/21/2020 6:41 pm : link
Mo is the still only unanimous choice.
Nice to have some  
Bill2 : 1/21/2020 6:42 pm : link
HoF selections that are so obvious there is no real debate that too many are making it in the Hall
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Bill2 : 1/21/2020 6:42 pm : link
And thanks Dave
Congrats derek!  
micky : 1/21/2020 6:44 pm : link
True capt
1st ballot no brainer  
Eman11 : 1/21/2020 6:50 pm : link
Is good enough for me.

Sucks there was one in the bunch who didn't vote for him but I'm ok with Mo being the only unanimous HOFer for now. He set an incredibly high bar and that bar used to be for 1st ballot guys. Since Mo broke that unanimous barrier the bar has been raised.

I think maybe the one vote against was a nod to Mo but until the writer gives their reason if at all, it's just me speculating on their reason.
Supposedly  
DanMetroMan : 1/21/2020 6:54 pm : link
someone named Dave Williams from Barstool was the only non-vote but that could be a fake photo floating around.
"His"  
DanMetroMan : 1/21/2020 6:55 pm : link
ballot is so ridiculous (Jose Valverde, Dunn....) that I'd hold off calling it real...
Iíd have a hard time picking my 10 favorite  
bceagle05 : 1/21/2020 6:58 pm : link
Jeter highlights - not sure anyone had more ďmomentsĒ than him. His first pitch homerun in Game 4 of the 2000 World Series was pretty badass.
RE: 1st ballot no brainer  
section125 : 1/21/2020 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14788737 Eman11 said:
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Is good enough for me.

Sucks there was one in the bunch who didn't vote for him but I'm ok with Mo being the only unanimous HOFer for now. He set an incredibly high bar and that bar used to be for 1st ballot guys. Since Mo broke that unanimous barrier the bar has been raised.

I think maybe the one vote against was a nod to Mo but until the writer gives their reason if at all, it's just me speculating on their reason.


I still think the BBWAA should investigate this reporter. If 396 of 397 voters see he is worthy, then whomever should be questioned and asked his reasoning. If the answer that is the Babe, Aaron, Seaver and Cobb weren't unanimous the voting privilege should be revoked.
There will always be questions on some players. But this is just non-sense.
Well deserved. Congrats to Jeter and to Yankee fans  
Ira : 1/21/2020 6:58 pm : link
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Well  
AcidTest : 1/21/2020 7:05 pm : link
deserved. Congratulations.
Josh Beckett lol  
Route 9 : 1/21/2020 7:09 pm : link
...
Obviously well deserved  
The_Boss : 1/21/2020 7:10 pm : link
Should be unanimous. Probably a Red Sox writer who kept it from being so.

Trying to think who should flirt with unanimous? Albert Pujols?

Iíll be upset if itís fucking David Ortiz.
Yeah Jeets!  
Hsilwek92 : 1/21/2020 7:11 pm : link
Congrats! Some of todayís athletes should take notice on how he handled the career on and off the field.
RE: Obviously well deserved  
Route 9 : 1/21/2020 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14788798 The_Boss said:
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Should be unanimous. Probably a Red Sox writer who kept it from being so.

Trying to think who should flirt with unanimous? Albert Pujols?

Iíll be upset if itís fucking David Ortiz.


Read it was someone from Houston
Pujols  
DanMetroMan : 1/21/2020 7:13 pm : link
should be unamimous (easily) but won't be. Someone will cite PED suspicions or some BS,
RE: RE: 1st ballot no brainer  
Eman11 : 1/21/2020 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14788760 section125 said:
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Is good enough for me.

Sucks there was one in the bunch who didn't vote for him but I'm ok with Mo being the only unanimous HOFer for now. He set an incredibly high bar and that bar used to be for 1st ballot guys. Since Mo broke that unanimous barrier the bar has been raised.

I think maybe the one vote against was a nod to Mo but until the writer gives their reason if at all, it's just me speculating on their reason.



I still think the BBWAA should investigate this reporter. If 396 of 397 voters see he is worthy, then whomever should be questioned and asked his reasoning. If the answer that is the Babe, Aaron, Seaver and Cobb weren't unanimous the voting privilege should be revoked.
There will always be questions on some players. But this is just non-sense.


I'm less upset at this than the guy who didn't vote for Matsui as Roy because he said he wasn't a rookie by playing pro ball in Japan. That was absurd as MLB had set the standard he was a rookie by making him eligible, and that voter made up his own rules.

I think if this guy says he voted no because he didn't feel Jeter was at the same level as Mo, I can accept that. If it was just to keep him from being unanimous, that's bullshit and the guy should lose his voting credentials going forward.
RE: Supposedly  
Hsilwek92 : 1/21/2020 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14788742 DanMetroMan said:
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someone named Dave Williams from Barstool was the only non-vote but that could be a fake photo floating around.


If itís true, why the fuck does ANYONE from a trash site like Barstool have a goddamn BBWAA credential?

Fucking hell.
RE: Obviously well deserved  
Hsilwek92 : 1/21/2020 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14788798 The_Boss said:
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Should be unanimous. Probably a Red Sox writer who kept it from being so.

Trying to think who should flirt with unanimous? Albert Pujols?

Iíll be upset if itís fucking David Ortiz.


If David ĎAriasí Ortiz ever gets elected to the HOF, itíll be a fucking sham. Heís not a HOF player at all.
Barstool sports?  
Route 9 : 1/21/2020 7:27 pm : link
LOL what?
RE: RE: Obviously well deserved  
The_Boss : 1/21/2020 7:43 pm : link
In comment 14788807 Route 9 said:
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In comment 14788798 The_Boss said:


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Should be unanimous. Probably a Red Sox writer who kept it from being so.

Trying to think who should flirt with unanimous? Albert Pujols?

Iíll be upset if itís fucking David Ortiz.



Read it was someone from Houston


Figures....
congrats to the Cap  
RasputinPrime : 1/21/2020 7:57 pm : link
and to the imbecile who declined to vote for him, may your name live in infamy you pathetic little person.
They did Jeter a favor not voting him unanimously  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/21/2020 8:06 pm : link
No position player has ever been voted in unanimously. A lot of far better ball players were not voted unanimously. If Jeter would of been the first, it would of opened up for even more dissection and criticism of his career. Just enjoy the moment, itís a great great honor being a first ballot Hall of Famer.
RE: Supposedly  
figgy2989 : 1/21/2020 8:25 pm : link
In comment 14788742 DanMetroMan said:
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someone named Dave Williams from Barstool was the only non-vote but that could be a fake photo floating around.


That is White Sox Dave and that is a fake ballot.
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My old man's favorite Yankee.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2020 8:31 pm : link
Helluva career. He's a HOFer off the field too-Carey, Biel, Kelly, & so many more.
RE: They did Jeter a favor not voting him unanimously  
section125 : 1/21/2020 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14788908 JoeyBigBlue said:
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No position player has ever been voted in unanimously. A lot of far better ball players were not voted unanimously. If Jeter would of been the first, it would of opened up for even more dissection and criticism of his career. Just enjoy the moment, itís a great great honor being a first ballot Hall of Famer.


Not every Hall of Fame player is a 90% candidate. Almost no one is a 95% candidate, let alone 100%. But just because it was never done before is not a good enough reason to not do it now. With that mentality, I can easily argue that Mo should not have been unanimous - Let's talk about Tom Seaver, Greg Maddux, Bob Gibson. They were all deserving of 100% and as starting pitchers they more important than relievers. We say Mo is the best relief pitcher/closer of all time and he was, but.... 45/50 years ago relief was what you did when you couldn't start. Innings eaters. The game has changed. But in the end, top starters still garner almost twice as much salary as the best closers and that tells you which position is more valuable.

So in the end, if there is not a good reason to not vote for a player, then you must vote for him. The BBWAA votes as individuals not as a group exercise. If this writer does not think Jeter is a Hall of Fame player, his judgement needs to be called into question and his voting rights need to be rescinded. I'm not for group think, but I am looking for responsible voting.
OF  
PaulN : 1/21/2020 9:11 pm : link
Ichiro was okay that he played pro ball, nice to se the Yanks could not win any awards when they shoved it up everyones ass winning 4 in 5 years, winning14 straight world series games, LOL!!!!!!
RE: Obviously well deserved  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/22/2020 3:55 am : link
In comment 14788798 The_Boss said:
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Should be unanimous. Probably a Red Sox writer who kept it from being so.

Trying to think who should flirt with unanimous? Albert Pujols?

Iíll be upset if itís fucking David Ortiz.


Mike Trout if he continues as he has performed to date.
RE: RE: Obviously well deserved  
Joey from GlenCove : 1/22/2020 5:42 am : link
In comment 14789106 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Should be unanimous. Probably a Red Sox writer who kept it from being so.

Trying to think who should flirt with unanimous? Albert Pujols?

Iíll be upset if itís fucking David Ortiz.



Mike Trout if he continues as he has performed to date.


Ortiz - steroid speculation
Pujlos- fell off after cards. Steroid speculation
Trout - I can see some loser knocking him for not winning a WS
Altuve - pre buzzer possibly
What about Ichiro?  
figgy2989 : 1/22/2020 6:52 am : link
I know he was a shell of himself later in his career, but if you take into account what he did in Japan before coming to the states and his overall hit total, he is a first ballot lock.

The knock on him will be that the Mariners never made the playoffs (I think his only playoff appearance was with the Yankees).
Correction  
figgy2989 : 1/22/2020 6:54 am : link
Ichiro did have one playoff appearance with the Mariners, still lack of post season resume will certainly be a knock on him.
Mike Trout  
Eman11 : 1/22/2020 7:34 am : link
Off the top,of my head is the one guy I think has a great shot at being unanimous.

His stats are off the charts great and his MVP's will carry a lot of weight no matter what his playoff or lack of appearances are .
RE: Mike Trout  
section125 : 1/22/2020 7:49 am : link
In comment 14789140 Eman11 said:
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Off the top,of my head is the one guy I think has a great shot at being unanimous.

His stats are off the charts great and his MVP's will carry a lot of weight no matter what his playoff or lack of appearances are .


The lack of playoffs definitely hurts as does his injury history. But as of now he has also only played 8 or 9 seasons, IIRC. Have to see what happens in the next 5 or 6 seasons - does he continue play awesome through age 34-36? Do injuries limit his playing time significantly?

Trout and Pujols are the best chances in the future, but ...BBWAA seems to find excuses, although as of now I don't see either as 100%.
RE: RE: Obviously well deserved  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/22/2020 8:20 am : link
In comment 14788832 Hsilwek92 said:
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Should be unanimous. Probably a Red Sox writer who kept it from being so.

Trying to think who should flirt with unanimous? Albert Pujols?

Iíll be upset if itís fucking David Ortiz.



If David ĎAriasí Ortiz ever gets elected to the HOF, itíll be a fucking sham. Heís not a HOF player at all.


Not only will he likely get in - and just wait for the push the year he's eligible, but I'd put money on the guy who left Jeter off the ballot sending in several for Big Papi!!
Ortiz will get in as his  
section125 : 1/22/2020 8:34 am : link
numbers are excellent and he can thank Edgar Martinez because up until Edgar DHs did not get in.

What a lot of people do not see is that outside of NY(and BBI) Ortiz is a beloved figure, like it or not. I think everyone accepts he is fringey on PEDs but tends to dismiss it to a point.

He will not be unanimous because of being a DH mainly, the hints of steroid use(yes even confirmed) and a sketchy training program in the DR. Just as it hindered Piazza, the steroid/HGH rumors will detract from the old school guys who will not vote for Clemens and Bonds.

Does he get in 1st ballot, yes. Is he a 100% candidate - no.
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Ortiz..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/22/2020 8:37 am : link
should carry the stigma that the main steroid users have, He transformed from a skinny kid in Minnesota with a different last name into a burly slugger, larger than Sosa.

It is shameful that he would escape the same treatment that McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and A-Rod have endured.
RE: RE: RE: Obviously well deserved  
Bramton1 : 1/22/2020 8:44 am : link
In comment 14789107 Joey from GlenCove said:
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In comment 14788798 The_Boss said:


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Should be unanimous. Probably a Red Sox writer who kept it from being so.

Trying to think who should flirt with unanimous? Albert Pujols?

Iíll be upset if itís fucking David Ortiz.



Mike Trout if he continues as he has performed to date.



Ortiz - steroid speculation
Pujlos- fell off after cards. Steroid speculation
Trout - I can see some loser knocking him for not winning a WS
Altuve - pre buzzer possibly


Ortiz: Will get in at some point. Might not be first ballot. No chance of unanimous. Some people won't vote for him because they don't think he deserved 100 percent Some won't vote for him because they don't think he deserves first ballot. Some people may not vote for him ever because of the steroid stuff.

Pujlos: Will probably get in at some point. Suspected of steroid use, but short of any failed tests, only a matter of time.

Trout: First ballot, no doubt.

Altuve: A lot depends on how he does going forward. If he turns into a shell of himself, then he very well could be on the outside looking in.
RE: RE: Mike Trout  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/22/2020 8:44 am : link
In comment 14789150 section125 said:
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Off the top,of my head is the one guy I think has a great shot at being unanimous.

His stats are off the charts great and his MVP's will carry a lot of weight no matter what his playoff or lack of appearances are .



The lack of playoffs definitely hurts as does his injury history. But as of now he has also only played 8 or 9 seasons, IIRC. Have to see what happens in the next 5 or 6 seasons - does he continue play awesome through age 34-36? Do injuries limit his playing time significantly?

Trout and Pujols are the best chances in the future, but ...BBWAA seems to find excuses, although as of now I don't see either as 100%.


Injury history? What are you talking about? He had one season where he missed 40 games or so. Still finished top 5 in MVP voting every season possible. The guy could retire tomorrow and will walk into the Hall of Fame.
RE: Ortiz..  
section125 : 1/22/2020 8:47 am : link
In comment 14789208 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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should carry the stigma that the main steroid users have, He transformed from a skinny kid in Minnesota with a different last name into a burly slugger, larger than Sosa.

It is shameful that he would escape the same treatment that McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and A-Rod have endured.


Of course, but they were basically all caught red handed. While Ortiz was one of those rumored supposedly in the commissioners report as having failed a test, was it ever really made public and it seems he never failed a test again. We all know he did it. It does not seem fair, I agree. Now Piazza never did fail a test and he was treated unfairly on suspicion of use. You would think Ortiz would get the same treatment but he won't because of the Red Sox return to World Series victory after 80 years or whatever it was.
But I return to my point that he is loved outside of NY...
The Jeter interview is very good  
mfsd : 1/22/2020 10:23 am : link
and in true Jeter fashion, itís clear nobody is less concerned about the one vote than he is


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RE: RE: Ortiz..  
Carson53 : 1/23/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14789229 section125 said:
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should carry the stigma that the main steroid users have, He transformed from a skinny kid in Minnesota with a different last name into a burly slugger, larger than Sosa.

It is shameful that he would escape the same treatment that McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and A-Rod have endured.



Of course, but they were basically all caught red handed. While Ortiz was one of those rumored supposedly in the commissioners report as having failed a test, was it ever really made public and it seems he never failed a test again. We all know he did it. It does not seem fair, I agree. Now Piazza never did fail a test and he was treated unfairly on suspicion of use. You would think Ortiz would get the same treatment but he won't because of the Red Sox return to World Series victory after 80 years or whatever it was.
But I return to my point that he is loved outside of NY...
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That was actually in the 'Mitchell Report' in the early
part of the 2000's. It was a couple years before drug testing was actually implemented.
Whether people like it or not, Ortiz will get in,
especially after Edgar Martinez just got in.
RE: RE: RE: Ortiz..  
section125 : 1/23/2020 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14791246 Carson53 said:
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In comment 14789208 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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should carry the stigma that the main steroid users have, He transformed from a skinny kid in Minnesota with a different last name into a burly slugger, larger than Sosa.

It is shameful that he would escape the same treatment that McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and A-Rod have endured.



Of course, but they were basically all caught red handed. While Ortiz was one of those rumored supposedly in the commissioners report as having failed a test, was it ever really made public and it seems he never failed a test again. We all know he did it. It does not seem fair, I agree. Now Piazza never did fail a test and he was treated unfairly on suspicion of use. You would think Ortiz would get the same treatment but he won't because of the Red Sox return to World Series victory after 80 years or whatever it was.
But I return to my point that he is loved outside of NY...

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That was actually in the 'Mitchell Report' in the early
part of the 2000's. It was a couple years before drug testing was actually implemented.
Whether people like it or not, Ortiz will get in,
especially after Edgar Martinez just got in.


Thanks - yeah the Mitchell Report - only Yankees got named.

Ortiz deserves to get in, like it or not. His number are great and with all the WS the Sox won when he was there in which he played a huge roll.

Why fret over stuff we have no control over even if it galls you.
RE: The Jeter interview is very good  
Carson53 : 1/23/2020 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14789358 mfsd said:
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and in true Jeter fashion, itís clear nobody is less concerned about the one vote than he is
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It's too bad he got hosed though. my guess is somebody
gave the vote to Walker or possibly even a Schilling to bolster their chances.
Who knows? I doubt he comes forward with that info.
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