Separate from Judge - which is key.
Wright was a high school head coach ( not as big of a deal but still )
Beleima ( 2 major college programs )
Freddie Kitchens and Garrett.
The Giants are so much better during the offseason than they are during the actual seasons.
It's going to pay off soon. You watch.
Hahaha I'm just messing around, I actually am optimistic about all of this myself as well. I was legitimately excited after hearing the Judge opening PC, in a way I definitely don't remember feeling when Shurmur and McAdoo were introduced. And I've never been as excited about a coordinator signing than I was about Garrett as OC.
Sorry, but I'm just thinking about it over here... what exactly makes the other two aside from Garrett and Kitchens "impressive"?
Are you implying there's something special about the experience/leadership of head coaches in general (regardless of level) that will benefit the Giants in some way? And if so, what is that something special and how does having multiple head coaches benefit the team in your view?
Or, are you just saying these guys are impressive in that they made it to the level of HC (regardless of level)? If that's the case, then I certainly don't see how it's particularly impressive that the one dude was a high school football HC. I'd say pretty much any job at the college or NFL level is far more "impressive" than high school HC. And, with regard to the college HC, in general I'd also say I would probably prefer a guy who was an OC or DC at the NFL level over a college HC (all else being equal) due to the former having NFL experience and specific hands-on experience with schemes, play-calling, teaching NFL players which I think is more applicable to being an NFL position coach.
And that's not to knock those other 2 guys as I trust Judge's judgement in putting his staff together, I'm just saying all else being equal, for positions coaches, I don't see being a college nor high school HC as being more "impressive" or even more useful unto itself than being an OC or DC at a higher level.
Honestly I would normally have the slightest bit of concern with too many HCs resulting in a "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem or a "too many egos" problem (i.e. you can't form an army made up entirely of generals), but I'm not as concerned in this situation because Garrett seems like a guy who can put his ego aside and fall in line (as he had to do in Dallas under Jerry Jones) and Kitchens only had the 1 year of HC experience (in which he failed) so he can't possibly have all that much of a "my way or the highway" type of ego at this point I would think.
But again-- if you meant to point this out because you see some other advantage of having multiple former HCs (regardless of level) on the staff, I'm open to hearing that.
Garrett’s a nice get if you’re looking for someone to mentor Judge Â
or another. What's important to me is that they know the game really well, that they're good teachers, that they command respect and that they have a good level of coaching experience at a high level.
3 HC's 2 in the NFL is still interesting (and I think positive).
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That’s 4 former head coaches teachers on the staff so far
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Brilliant!
It's going to pay off soon. You watch.
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The Giants are so much better during the offseason than they are during the actual seasons.
It's going to pay off soon. You watch.
Hahaha I'm just messing around, I actually am optimistic about all of this myself as well. I was legitimately excited after hearing the Judge opening PC, in a way I definitely don't remember feeling when Shurmur and McAdoo were introduced. And I've never been as excited about a coordinator signing than I was about Garrett as OC.
+1,000. This dreadful NFL season hasn't even finished yet and we're already hitting BBI offseason irrational reaching for optimism.
Are you implying there's something special about the experience/leadership of head coaches in general (regardless of level) that will benefit the Giants in some way? And if so, what is that something special and how does having multiple head coaches benefit the team in your view?
Or, are you just saying these guys are impressive in that they made it to the level of HC (regardless of level)? If that's the case, then I certainly don't see how it's particularly impressive that the one dude was a high school football HC. I'd say pretty much any job at the college or NFL level is far more "impressive" than high school HC. And, with regard to the college HC, in general I'd also say I would probably prefer a guy who was an OC or DC at the NFL level over a college HC (all else being equal) due to the former having NFL experience and specific hands-on experience with schemes, play-calling, teaching NFL players which I think is more applicable to being an NFL position coach.
And that's not to knock those other 2 guys as I trust Judge's judgement in putting his staff together, I'm just saying all else being equal, for positions coaches, I don't see being a college nor high school HC as being more "impressive" or even more useful unto itself than being an OC or DC at a higher level.
Honestly I would normally have the slightest bit of concern with too many HCs resulting in a "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem or a "too many egos" problem (i.e. you can't form an army made up entirely of generals), but I'm not as concerned in this situation because Garrett seems like a guy who can put his ego aside and fall in line (as he had to do in Dallas under Jerry Jones) and Kitchens only had the 1 year of HC experience (in which he failed) so he can't possibly have all that much of a "my way or the highway" type of ego at this point I would think.
But again-- if you meant to point this out because you see some other advantage of having multiple former HCs (regardless of level) on the staff, I'm open to hearing that.