so i guess he is testing the market. im not a fan of guys who tweet shit like "free" as if they were in prison lol but i think yannick would be a great get.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
so i guess he is testing the market. im not a fan of guys who tweet shit like "free" as if they were in prison lol but i think yannick would be a great get.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
I think he is expressing that he is free of the situation.
so i guess he is testing the market. im not a fan of guys who tweet shit like "free" as if they were in prison lol but i think yannick would be a great get.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
Actually players are prisoners just think how would you feel if your employer could stop you from taking a job in a preferred destination just because it suits them ... what if a player does like the culture of a team/locker room or simply wants to live somewhere else .... etc .... The system is setup as though players are property NOT people /w careers and lives ...
so i guess he is testing the market. im not a fan of guys who tweet shit like "free" as if they were in prison lol but i think yannick would be a great get.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
Actually players are prisoners just think how would you feel if your employer could stop you from taking a job in a preferred destination just because it suits them ... what if a player does *NOT* like the culture of a team/locker room or simply wants to live somewhere else .... etc .... The system is setup as though the players are property NOT people /w careers and lives ...
The simple fact is that they need to clear $17+M on their cap just to extend the tag on Yannick. They need to clear out other players to make room for Yannick's tag.
The simple fact is that they need to clear $17+M on their cap just to extend the tag on Yannick. They need to clear out other players to make room for Yannick's tag.
Got to be more to it than that, they're fools if it's strictly a cap management issue.
The simple fact is that they need to clear $17+M on their cap just to extend the tag on Yannick. They need to clear out other players to make room for Yannick's tag.
Got to be more to it than that, they're fools if it's strictly a cap management issue.
Is it though? They are literally -$1.96M according to OverTheCap. So they need to free up at least $20M roughly
RE: RE: RE: I'd be very curious why they wouldn't tag him and trade him Â
The simple fact is that they need to clear $17+M on their cap just to extend the tag on Yannick. They need to clear out other players to make room for Yannick's tag.
Got to be more to it than that, they're fools if it's strictly a cap management issue.
Well they can't tag him till February 25th. And they have till March 10th to give him the tag. So they have some time.
RE: I'd be very curious why they wouldn't tag him and trade him Â
I've been wondering the exact same thing. The situation is the same as the Dee Ford contract KC didn't want to give him.
And they need to clear the cap space to afford his tag anyway for the draft picks and other funds they need for later signings. It's more a matter of managing the timing of releases and restructurings.
RE: RE: RE: I'd be very curious why they wouldn't tag him and trade him Â
The simple fact is that they need to clear $17+M on their cap just to extend the tag on Yannick. They need to clear out other players to make room for Yannick's tag.
Got to be more to it than that, they're fools if it's strictly a cap management issue.
They can make the space. AJ Bouye can be released for some savings, but he is only 29 and a very good CB. Calais could be released for savings, but there is a reason why he is referred to as the Mayor of Sacksonville. Despite being 31, he still has a lot of football left.
Even if they clear the space, Yannick has already said he won't sign it. So the tag will be extended forcing Yannick to holdout like he did last year. He showed up 11 days after the start of training camp exactly 30 days before the start of the regular season. A deadline necessary to a accrue a year towards FA. Now that he is a FA, he can choose to sit out like Bell did. He can't be subject to fines as he is not under contract.
RE: The more i think about the more I like the idea Â
so i guess he is testing the market. im not a fan of guys who tweet shit like "free" as if they were in prison lol but i think yannick would be a great get.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
Actually players are prisoners just think how would you feel if your employer could stop you from taking a job in a preferred destination just because it suits them ... what if a player does *NOT* like the culture of a team/locker room or simply wants to live somewhere else .... etc .... The system is setup as though the players are property NOT people /w careers and lives ...
players are NOT prisoners. when you sign up for the NFL draft you agree to the rules of the league. Any player who doesn't like them can choose a different career. the reason they agree to it is because they make money not many of us will ever see. In real life careers a lot of people sign non compete agreements so technically their employers can block them from certain companies. Sometimes they are not valid. We all have to live by certain rules some of them dictated by employment especially if you are in certain industries.
RE: RE: The more i think about the more I like the idea Â
Spotrac has them estimated at 7.6 mil Lawson and i read somewhere that Nassib should be around 6-7 mil.
Two players for the price of one. Lawson i could see getting more than 7.6 mil though.
Shaq Lawson or Shaq Barrett?
Your not getting Shaq Barrett for 7mil/yr. Double that number.
Shaq Lawson, i don't know that much about him. But my understanding is that he was injury most of his first two season. And then was a rotation player, but had a strong performance this past year.
Fustrating 1st round pick for Bills fans. But you are not signing him for what he has done, but what the future holds. And there is a reason he will cost 1/2 as much as Yannick.
Does not work in football, signing high priced free agents to a lousy team is the stupidest thing an organization can do, have we not learned this already? Hasn't Dan Snyder taught us enough times, did we not learn first hand ourselves, you actually think this time will be different!!!!! LOL!!!!! You add depth, an added ingredient, a temporary place, role players, NEVER CORE PLAYERS.
so i guess he is testing the market. im not a fan of guys who tweet shit like "free" as if they were in prison lol but i think yannick would be a great get.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
Actually players are prisoners just think how would you feel if your employer could stop you from taking a job in a preferred destination just because it suits them ... what if a player does like the culture of a team/locker room or simply wants to live somewhere else .... etc .... The system is setup as though players are property NOT people /w careers and lives ...
In no way, shape or form, are players prisoners. They sign contracts with teams. They are not jumped in the middle of the night and dragged to a training camp.
No, they don't have the same freedom of movement as most working people. But most working people also don't have large portions of their salaries guaranteed to them, even if they are replaced or released for poor performance.
A legally binding contract the player signs willingly, knowing the terms, is not in anyway similar to a prison cell.
Jax wants him back, I don't think he want to play there Â
Either way, signing a young and talented player is not a bad idea as long as it make sense for your roster.
The fact is there are plenty of options right now for edge rushers: Clowney, Fowler, Dupree, Barrett, Golden and Ngakoue.
Golden had a solid season. 10 sacks and for less than $5 Million. That is a good return on investment. He would be a solid guy to bring back. Ngakoue had 8 sacks last year on a very good D Line. Do we think Golden is better than Ngakoue? I don't. I think YN is a total stud. I think he is gonna make our defense more complete if he could be signed. Even if we do sign him I think another pass rusher should be added as soon as round 2.
This team needs to get better on defense and it starts up front.
Does not work in football, signing high priced free agents to a lousy team is the stupidest thing an organization can do, have we not learned this already? Hasn't Dan Snyder taught us enough times, did we not learn first hand ourselves, you actually think this time will be different!!!!! LOL!!!!! You add depth, an added ingredient, a temporary place, role players, NEVER CORE PLAYERS.
Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie might disagree with you.
The FA system is basically a hostage system otherwise at the end of a contract a player could sign where he pleases. Tagging is essentially a stamp of ownership....teams are barring a person WITHOUT a contract.
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so i guess he is testing the market. im not a fan of guys who tweet shit like "free" as if they were in prison lol but i think yannick would be a great get.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
Actually players are prisoners just think how would you feel if your employer could stop you from taking a job in a preferred destination just because it suits them ... what if a player does like the culture of a team/locker room or simply wants to live somewhere else .... etc .... The system is setup as though players are property NOT people /w careers and lives ...
In no way, shape or form, are players prisoners. They sign contracts with teams. They are not jumped in the middle of the night and dragged to a training camp.
No, they don't have the same freedom of movement as most working people. But most working people also don't have large portions of their salaries guaranteed to them, even if they are replaced or released for poor performance.
A legally binding contract the player signs willingly, knowing the terms, is not in anyway similar to a prison cell.
I don't think we should make "big splashes" in UFA during year one at least of the rebuild. Judge has to figure out what he has and what not first.
But I do believe we should spend for two quality UFA OL's and draft at least one OL in first two rounds of the draft. That is how I see things right now.
If Simmons is as advertised and we take him at 4 (I’d prefer Â
an OL) and Yannick Ngakoue doesn’t suffer from ‘being paid,’ our D is suddenly transformed, imv.
I still think the back end is going to be an issue. I am intrigued by Glenn possibly come in to coach these young bucks up. You just have to hope that all of these guys step up in year 2. Would love to see nothing better than a unit that is considered a weakness turning into a strength.
Were all important signings, but they were not massive contcacts, all were role players, signed to good contracts, they were not core players, this guy would take a massive contract, and is really what I meant, he would become our highest paid player, and be our most important player next to Jones, that would ruin our rebuild, not help it, free agency is not a way to build a team. Aquire more draft capital, trade back to aquire more.
Were all important signings, but they were not massive contcacts, all were role players, signed to good contracts, they were not core players, this guy would take a massive contract, and is really what I meant, he would become our highest paid player, and be our most important player next to Jones, that would ruin our rebuild, not help it, free agency is not a way to build a team. Aquire more draft capital, trade back to aquire more.
I've argued against signing a big-ticket edge rusher, in favor of using that money on an ILB and FS. Regardless, there's a whole lot of "wrong" in this post. For one thing, when they were signed, K-Mac and Rolle became the highest-pad players in the league at their positions. For another, I doubt anyone would categorize your starting MLB, RT, or WR1 as "role players." That's just ridiculous.
Free agency by itself is not the way to build a team, but it's importance should not be discounted. A few key acquisitions can help bad teams become good, and good teams become great.
RE: RE: If Simmons is as advertised and we take him at 4 (I’d prefer Â
an OL) and Yannick Ngakoue doesn’t suffer from ‘being paid,’ our D is suddenly transformed, imv.
I still think the back end is going to be an issue. I am intrigued by Glenn possibly come in to coach these young bucks up. You just have to hope that all of these guys step up in year 2. Would love to see nothing better than a unit that is considered a weakness turning into a strength.
We have super young talent in the secondary. Obviously need to be coached better than last year, imv
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
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For months, we were virtual locks to sign Norwell..:)
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It would seem that he may not want to be there.
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I wonder how considering they are in the red for cap space. Who are they going to cut?!
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
I think he is expressing that he is free of the situation.
They can get to $106M in space with 58 players signed and they dont have to use any of that on a quarterback.
They see him twice/year up close. In those two games, he had a sack and two FF.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
Actually players are prisoners just think how would you feel if your employer could stop you from taking a job in a preferred destination just because it suits them ... what if a player does like the culture of a team/locker room or simply wants to live somewhere else .... etc .... The system is setup as though players are property NOT people /w careers and lives ...
You make the big splash next year as you'll know your team and the "final" piece needed to get over the hump.
Yannick would be a great add, I'm sure, and we have money but I am not big on high priced UFA's, especially with a new team / staff.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
Actually players are prisoners just think how would you feel if your employer could stop you from taking a job in a preferred destination just because it suits them ... what if a player does *NOT* like the culture of a team/locker room or simply wants to live somewhere else .... etc .... The system is setup as though the players are property NOT people /w careers and lives ...
The simple fact is that they need to clear $17+M on their cap just to extend the tag on Yannick. They need to clear out other players to make room for Yannick's tag.
Spotrac has them estimated at 7.6 mil Lawson and i read somewhere that Nassib should be around 6-7 mil.
Two players for the price of one. Lawson i could see getting more than 7.6 mil though.
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rather than simply allow him to walk into UFA.
The simple fact is that they need to clear $17+M on their cap just to extend the tag on Yannick. They need to clear out other players to make room for Yannick's tag.
Got to be more to it than that, they're fools if it's strictly a cap management issue.
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rather than simply allow him to walk into UFA.
The simple fact is that they need to clear $17+M on their cap just to extend the tag on Yannick. They need to clear out other players to make room for Yannick's tag.
Got to be more to it than that, they're fools if it's strictly a cap management issue.
Is it though? They are literally -$1.96M according to OverTheCap. So they need to free up at least $20M roughly
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rather than simply allow him to walk into UFA.
The simple fact is that they need to clear $17+M on their cap just to extend the tag on Yannick. They need to clear out other players to make room for Yannick's tag.
Got to be more to it than that, they're fools if it's strictly a cap management issue.
Well they can't tag him till February 25th. And they have till March 10th to give him the tag. So they have some time.
And they need to clear the cap space to afford his tag anyway for the draft picks and other funds they need for later signings. It's more a matter of managing the timing of releases and restructurings.
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rather than simply allow him to walk into UFA.
The simple fact is that they need to clear $17+M on their cap just to extend the tag on Yannick. They need to clear out other players to make room for Yannick's tag.
Got to be more to it than that, they're fools if it's strictly a cap management issue.
They can make the space. AJ Bouye can be released for some savings, but he is only 29 and a very good CB. Calais could be released for savings, but there is a reason why he is referred to as the Mayor of Sacksonville. Despite being 31, he still has a lot of football left.
Even if they clear the space, Yannick has already said he won't sign it. So the tag will be extended forcing Yannick to holdout like he did last year. He showed up 11 days after the start of training camp exactly 30 days before the start of the regular season. A deadline necessary to a accrue a year towards FA. Now that he is a FA, he can choose to sit out like Bell did. He can't be subject to fines as he is not under contract.
Spotrac has them estimated at 7.6 mil Lawson and i read somewhere that Nassib should be around 6-7 mil.
Two players for the price of one. Lawson i could see getting more than 7.6 mil though.
Shaq Lawson or Shaq Barrett?
They can also free a large chunk by cutting/restructuring Campbell and/or Bouye.
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so i guess he is testing the market. im not a fan of guys who tweet shit like "free" as if they were in prison lol but i think yannick would be a great get.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
Actually players are prisoners just think how would you feel if your employer could stop you from taking a job in a preferred destination just because it suits them ... what if a player does *NOT* like the culture of a team/locker room or simply wants to live somewhere else .... etc .... The system is setup as though the players are property NOT people /w careers and lives ...
players are NOT prisoners. when you sign up for the NFL draft you agree to the rules of the league. Any player who doesn't like them can choose a different career. the reason they agree to it is because they make money not many of us will ever see. In real life careers a lot of people sign non compete agreements so technically their employers can block them from certain companies. Sometimes they are not valid. We all have to live by certain rules some of them dictated by employment especially if you are in certain industries.
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of going Shaq Lawson and Carl Nassib.
Spotrac has them estimated at 7.6 mil Lawson and i read somewhere that Nassib should be around 6-7 mil.
Two players for the price of one. Lawson i could see getting more than 7.6 mil though.
Shaq Lawson or Shaq Barrett?
Your not getting Shaq Barrett for 7mil/yr. Double that number.
Shaq Lawson, i don't know that much about him. But my understanding is that he was injury most of his first two season. And then was a rotation player, but had a strong performance this past year.
Fustrating 1st round pick for Bills fans. But you are not signing him for what he has done, but what the future holds. And there is a reason he will cost 1/2 as much as Yannick.
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so i guess he is testing the market. im not a fan of guys who tweet shit like "free" as if they were in prison lol but i think yannick would be a great get.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
Actually players are prisoners just think how would you feel if your employer could stop you from taking a job in a preferred destination just because it suits them ... what if a player does like the culture of a team/locker room or simply wants to live somewhere else .... etc .... The system is setup as though players are property NOT people /w careers and lives ...
In no way, shape or form, are players prisoners. They sign contracts with teams. They are not jumped in the middle of the night and dragged to a training camp.
No, they don't have the same freedom of movement as most working people. But most working people also don't have large portions of their salaries guaranteed to them, even if they are replaced or released for poor performance.
A legally binding contract the player signs willingly, knowing the terms, is not in anyway similar to a prison cell.
The fact is there are plenty of options right now for edge rushers: Clowney, Fowler, Dupree, Barrett, Golden and Ngakoue.
Golden had a solid season. 10 sacks and for less than $5 Million. That is a good return on investment. He would be a solid guy to bring back. Ngakoue had 8 sacks last year on a very good D Line. Do we think Golden is better than Ngakoue? I don't. I think YN is a total stud. I think he is gonna make our defense more complete if he could be signed. Even if we do sign him I think another pass rusher should be added as soon as round 2.
This team needs to get better on defense and it starts up front.
Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie might disagree with you.
So, too, might Boley, Canty, and Rolle.
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The FA system is basically a hostage system otherwise at the end of a contract a player could sign where he pleases. Tagging is essentially a stamp of ownership....teams are barring a person WITHOUT a contract.
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so i guess he is testing the market. im not a fan of guys who tweet shit like "free" as if they were in prison lol but i think yannick would be a great get.
still prefer judon and extra money to spend elsewhere but i wouldnt cry if we sign YN
Actually players are prisoners just think how would you feel if your employer could stop you from taking a job in a preferred destination just because it suits them ... what if a player does like the culture of a team/locker room or simply wants to live somewhere else .... etc .... The system is setup as though players are property NOT people /w careers and lives ...
In no way, shape or form, are players prisoners. They sign contracts with teams. They are not jumped in the middle of the night and dragged to a training camp.
No, they don't have the same freedom of movement as most working people. But most working people also don't have large portions of their salaries guaranteed to them, even if they are replaced or released for poor performance.
A legally binding contract the player signs willingly, knowing the terms, is not in anyway similar to a prison cell.
I don't think we should make "big splashes" in UFA during year one at least of the rebuild. Judge has to figure out what he has and what not first.
But I do believe we should spend for two quality UFA OL's and draft at least one OL in first two rounds of the draft. That is how I see things right now.
I still think the back end is going to be an issue. I am intrigued by Glenn possibly come in to coach these young bucks up. You just have to hope that all of these guys step up in year 2. Would love to see nothing better than a unit that is considered a weakness turning into a strength.
I've argued against signing a big-ticket edge rusher, in favor of using that money on an ILB and FS. Regardless, there's a whole lot of "wrong" in this post. For one thing, when they were signed, K-Mac and Rolle became the highest-pad players in the league at their positions. For another, I doubt anyone would categorize your starting MLB, RT, or WR1 as "role players." That's just ridiculous.
Free agency by itself is not the way to build a team, but it's importance should not be discounted. A few key acquisitions can help bad teams become good, and good teams become great.
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an OL) and Yannick Ngakoue doesn’t suffer from ‘being paid,’ our D is suddenly transformed, imv.
I still think the back end is going to be an issue. I am intrigued by Glenn possibly come in to coach these young bucks up. You just have to hope that all of these guys step up in year 2. Would love to see nothing better than a unit that is considered a weakness turning into a strength.
We have super young talent in the secondary. Obviously need to be coached better than last year, imv