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New Leonard article: what Judge wants on offense

DieHard : 1/22/2020 3:34 pm
Some quotes on what he's looking for with Garrett, and continuity on offense.

Joe Judge says Giants not looking for ‘quick’, ‘sexy’ fix on offense
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2020 3:39 pm : link
“We’ve got to build a foundation (on offense) this year, OK? This isn’t about a quick fix,” Judge told reporters in Mobile, Ala. “This isn’t about getting somebody in here who’s got some magic solution or some sexy offensive name in the paper in terms of, you know, what they may be running. This is about finding someone who’s consistently performed, who’s gotten the most out of his players, different players, over the course of time, in different circumstances, and that we can lay that base for our players to build on for years to come.”
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2020 3:40 pm : link
“Well the first thing we want to be able to do is run the ball, OK?” Judge said. “You’ve got to be able to run the ball, and (Garrett) has done that successfully in Dallas throughout the course of his career. Jason brings with him, look, a lot of experience in a lot of different systems. So one thing he’s been able to do is draw from his experience as both a player and a coach in different systems, and really create a player-friendly system that creates multiples within game plans.”
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2020 3:41 pm : link
“That’s what I want to build as this base for this team,” he said. “It’s important to me that we get this right, that we build the base of this offense correctly for the young players that we have in this organization. And that’s for all the ones you’re thinking about: the skill players, the offensive line.”
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2020 3:41 pm : link
Judge did not say whether or not Garrett was his first choice for OC. He did say Patrick Graham “was honestly my first choice” for defensive coordinator, and a huge selling point was Graham’s flexibility in scheme while remaining effective, be it week-to-week or in-game.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2020 3:42 pm : link
“He does a lot of things on defense that work to the strength of your players,” Judge said of Graham. “He’s definitely very multiple in terms of his philosophy and also how he can adjust week by week by game plan as well as within the game to make adjustments.”
RE: the offense  
Chris684 : 1/22/2020 3:49 pm : link
“continuity in terms of philosophy and structure,”

No more square peg, round hole.
I just had a Jerry Reese flashback  
BestFeature : 1/22/2020 3:51 pm : link
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He also addressed the danger of losing assistant coaches  
DieHard : 1/22/2020 3:51 pm : link
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“Look, I hope everybody on our staff has options to advance their career at some point,” Judge said. “That means business is good. We want our coaches to be wanted by other people. It means we’re doing a good job here.
I think you have to be multiple  
ghost718 : 1/22/2020 3:52 pm : link
Helps to be different too
I LOVE this quote:  
Victor in CT : 1/22/2020 4:01 pm : link
“This isn’t about getting somebody in here who’s got some magic solution or some sexy offensive name in the paper in terms of, you know, what they may be running."
RE: I just had a Jerry Reese flashback  
flycatcher : 1/22/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14789777 BestFeature said:
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You heard Jerry Reese in those quotes? Care to elaborate? Do you mean the 2-time Lombardi trophy JR?
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Victor in CT : 1/22/2020 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14789777 BestFeature said:
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why? how so?
the word sexy probably  
mattlawson : 1/22/2020 4:18 pm : link
from the "we dont need to make big sexy moves" pre-2011 season.

followed by "versatility" which jerry always spoke to. unfortunately for him he also liked "projects" more than "players" as carl banks might say and we "lost" more than "won" utilizing that "strategy"

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BestFeature : 1/22/2020 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14789803 flycatcher said:
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You heard Jerry Reese in those quotes? Care to elaborate? Do you mean the 2-time Lombardi trophy JR?


Just the "sexy" part.
He seems to have a practical view of expectations  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/22/2020 4:42 pm : link
For this season.
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flycatcher : 1/22/2020 4:43 pm : link
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You heard Jerry Reese in those quotes? Care to elaborate? Do you mean the 2-time Lombardi trophy JR?



Just the "sexy" part.

Oh ok ...FWIW i hate the use of that word related to sports. Unless Dorothea Weirer is involved.
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BestFeature : 1/22/2020 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14789852 flycatcher said:
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You heard Jerry Reese in those quotes? Care to elaborate? Do you mean the 2-time Lombardi trophy JR?



Just the "sexy" part.


Oh ok ...FWIW i hate the use of that word related to sports. Unless Dorothea Weirer is involved.


It is what it is. We all have our quirky words and verbal ticks. Just thought it was funny.
Eric, thank you for the copy and paste.  
3putt : 1/22/2020 5:37 pm : link
I am on a Leonard boycott.
Offense: I want TD's !!!!  
SGMen : 1/22/2020 5:42 pm : link
But seriously, Judge seems level headed. This team has the 4th pick in the draft for a reason: lack of talent at key places like the OL, Pass Rush, FS and LB.
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Giants38 : 1/22/2020 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14789762 Eric from BBI said:
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Judge did not say whether or not Garrett was his first choice for OC. He did say Patrick Graham “was honestly my first choice” for defensive coordinator, and a huge selling point was Graham’s flexibility in scheme while remaining effective, be it week-to-week or in-game.


This quote should tell you Garrett was not his first choice for OC.
Does that mean..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/22/2020 7:09 pm : link
we re going to hear continually that Garrett was forced on him by Mara and DG?

Because I see that groundwork already being alluded to for some reason.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2020 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14790086 Giants38 said:
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Judge did not say whether or not Garrett was his first choice for OC. He did say Patrick Graham “was honestly my first choice” for defensive coordinator, and a huge selling point was Graham’s flexibility in scheme while remaining effective, be it week-to-week or in-game.



This quote should tell you Garrett was not his first choice for OC.


Who gives a shit?
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DieHard : 1/22/2020 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14790086 Giants38 said:
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Judge did not say whether or not Garrett was his first choice for OC. He did say Patrick Graham “was honestly my first choice” for defensive coordinator, and a huge selling point was Graham’s flexibility in scheme while remaining effective, be it week-to-week or in-game.



This quote should tell you Garrett was not his first choice for OC.


Or maybe the question was never asked, and Leonard is trying to stir shit up, as per usual.
Time to acquire talent.  
Optimus-NY : 1/22/2020 8:43 pm : link
Enough of the soliloquies. Draft OL in Rounds 1 and 2 and get this ship righted. Becton for OLT in RD 1 and Cushenberry for C in RD 2. Sign Conklin to play RT and away we go. That would be a nice start.
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Dr. D : 1/22/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14790125 Big Blue '56 said:
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Judge did not say whether or not Garrett was his first choice for OC. He did say Patrick Graham “was honestly my first choice” for defensive coordinator, and a huge selling point was Graham’s flexibility in scheme while remaining effective, be it week-to-week or in-game.



This quote should tell you Garrett was not his first choice for OC.



Who gives a shit?


Yes, count me in the who gives a shit contingent.

.. and Mara did say a week ago that it was "Joe's decision".

so I really don't give a shit
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Giants38 : 1/22/2020 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14790218 Dr. D said:
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Judge did not say whether or not Garrett was his first choice for OC. He did say Patrick Graham “was honestly my first choice” for defensive coordinator, and a huge selling point was Graham’s flexibility in scheme while remaining effective, be it week-to-week or in-game.



This quote should tell you Garrett was not his first choice for OC.



Who gives a shit?



Yes, count me in the who gives a shit contingent.

.. and Mara did say a week ago that it was "Joe's decision".

so I really don't give a shit


Come on. I am happy with Garrett. I'm just saying I don't accept what Mara says as gospel.

Hopefully it works out for the best. But when a guy says the DC was honestly his first choice and says nothing of the sort about the OC, that concerns me a bit.
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bw in dc : 1/22/2020 11:52 pm : link
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Come on. I am happy with Garrett. I'm just saying I don't accept what Mara says as gospel.

Hopefully it works out for the best. But when a guy says the DC was honestly his first choice and says nothing of the sort about the OC, that concerns me a bit.


Just curious. What's your implication here? That Mara pushed hard for Garrett because of the experience card?
You know what?  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/23/2020 3:32 am : link
If Mara did push hard for Garrett because of Garrett's extensive and recent experience as both an HC and OC, compared with JJ's lack of experience...

It could turn out to be a very good thing. It's not like Graham has that level of experience.
RE: Time to acquire talent.  
SGMen : 1/23/2020 4:46 am : link
In comment 14790194 Optimus-NY said:
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Enough of the soliloquies. Draft OL in Rounds 1 and 2 and get this ship righted. Becton for OLT in RD 1 and Cushenberry for C in RD 2. Sign Conklin to play RT and away we go. That would be a nice start.
No Conklin. If we do draft Becton to play LT, we slide Solder to RT.

My dream scenario is for us to drop from #4 to #5 (Miami) and get their #2. This way we draft say Becton and an OC and defensive player in round 2.

My only issue with Becton right now is his weight, of course.
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YAJ2112 : 1/23/2020 7:04 am : link
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Judge did not say whether or not Garrett was his first choice for OC. He did say Patrick Graham “was honestly my first choice” for defensive coordinator, and a huge selling point was Graham’s flexibility in scheme while remaining effective, be it week-to-week or in-game.



This quote should tell you Garrett was not his first choice for OC.



Who gives a shit?



Yes, count me in the who gives a shit contingent.

.. and Mara did say a week ago that it was "Joe's decision".

so I really don't give a shit



Come on. I am happy with Garrett. I'm just saying I don't accept what Mara says as gospel.

Hopefully it works out for the best. But when a guy says the DC was honestly his first choice and says nothing of the sort about the OC, that concerns me a bit.


Or it could be that his first choice wasn't available.
The problem..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/23/2020 8:17 am : link
with parsing through words to try and find meaning to confirm a bias is that it just leads to a rabbit hole:

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This quote should tell you Garrett was not his first choice for OC


We are now being critical of things unsaid instead of what has actually been said. If Judge says, "Honestly, Jones played really well today" will that mean that by implication other players were complete shit? If he says "Honestly, the Eagles offense is on a roll now" will that be bulletin board material for him shitting on their D?

Confirmation bias is a bad thing on this board.
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