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CMicks3110 : 1/23/2020 12:55 am
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Good hire  
jeff57 : 1/23/2020 8:48 am : link
Maybe the best one so far.
RE: tuck  
5BowlsSoon : 1/23/2020 8:49 am : link
In comment 14790525 Tuckrule said:
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Good post. I agree there’s definitely some hope and positivity I just can’t blindly be excited.


I hope you also check out there secondary guy and light a fire there. We could all use the passion to get us going. You did well here and make good points.
5bowls  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2020 8:51 am : link
I’ll work on it haha anything to get the discussion going. I did my part on all the Simmons threads.
RE: RE: Is he better than Hal Hunter?  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/23/2020 8:54 am : link
In comment 14790491 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14790475 GiantsRage2007 said:


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If the answer is yes, then this is a win.



That's a low bar.



Don't we know it!

:-)
RE: Anak  
Brown_Hornet : 1/23/2020 8:58 am : link
In comment 14790511 Tuckrule said:
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So it went from 3.8 sacks per game to 3.3? Should I be impressed with that stat without knowing who they faced and the schemes they saw and how many stunts and blitzes the line was exposed to? Again people are starving for positivity. I don’t dislike the signing. All I am saying is we need to tone down his accomplishments because he hasn’t been asked to mold a line. Now he will be tasked with a tough job. I do like that garrett wanted him. That tells me more than any stat or former player interview can.

Selective math?

OK, 3.8 to 3.3, in his 1st 1/2 year.
1.4 in his 1st full season.

Right?
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/23/2020 9:03 am : link
on the surface seems like a really solid hire. I will say though, for those that would have been upset with DD, he seems to have a bit more experience and results than Colombo. That isn't to say Colombo can't be a great OL coach...but sometimes the shiny thing isn't always better. He seems to be a great dude but also a person that demands respect and hard work. We will see.
Would it not be a lot easier to just accept that there's really  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/23/2020 9:13 am : link
No way to try to predict the value a position coach is going to add?

Jumping through hoops to attempt to prove coach A is 'good' or 'bad' seems exhausting. Offensive line play is too complicated to try to boil down to number of sacks or any other single stat. There is usually an explanation for such things that have little to do with purely coaching.

Pat Flaherty was a good offensive line coach until he had no players. Then he was bad, and then he was fired.


RE: ...  
jcn56 : 1/23/2020 9:18 am : link
In comment 14790552 ryanmkeane said:
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on the surface seems like a really solid hire. I will say though, for those that would have been upset with DD, he seems to have a bit more experience and results than Colombo. That isn't to say Colombo can't be a great OL coach...but sometimes the shiny thing isn't always better. He seems to be a great dude but also a person that demands respect and hard work. We will see.


Does he seem to be a great dude? The guy who suddenly lost his brother in Indy, who went out of his way to credit everyone else in the organization *but* DD, would beg to differ. His bouncing around would also suggest that maybe he's got a people problem.
Hire an Asst OL coach too  
Rflairr : 1/23/2020 9:20 am : link
They need as much coaching as possible at this position
RE: Hire an Asst OL coach too  
Mike in NY : 1/23/2020 9:31 am : link
In comment 14790574 Rflairr said:
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They need as much coaching as possible at this position


I think that guy from Cleveland may be the Assistant OL Coach as he had a background as a college OL Coach before getting a job in the NFL
Here's  
YANKEE28 : 1/23/2020 9:34 am : link
an idea for BBI.

Columbo played at Boston College with Chris Snee.

How about hiring Chris Snee as the Asst O line coach? One of the best, toughest, and most consistent reliable Giants during the past 20 years.
RE: Here's  
jcn56 : 1/23/2020 9:36 am : link
In comment 14790594 YANKEE28 said:
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an idea for BBI.

Columbo played at Boston College with Chris Snee.

How about hiring Chris Snee as the Asst O line coach? One of the best, toughest, and most consistent reliable Giants during the past 20 years.


I thought Snee wanted to be a scout? Isn't he currently working with the Jags in their scouting department, or did that end with TC's firing?
jcn  
YANKEE28 : 1/23/2020 9:50 am : link
its just my understanding that he wants to remain in pro football.
Here's a little  
YANKEE28 : 1/23/2020 9:54 am : link
bit back when Snee took the job in 2017. He was involved in coaching during training camp.

Snee will evaluate collegiate offensive linemen, travel to visit collegiate prospects across the nation and provide reports to Jaguars Director of College Scouting Mark Ellenz. Snee will also assist Offensive Line Coach Pat Flaherty and Assistant Offensive Line Coach Tony Sparano Jr. with the team's offensive line unit at minicamp and training camp practices, and as needed. Snee previously served as a consultant for the Jaguars at the 2017 NFL Combine in Indianapolis.

"During my 10 years playing in the NFL, I took a lot of pride in how hard I prepared and the amount of information I was able to obtain through the film I consumed," said Snee. "Watching film and evaluating collegiate linemen are two very different tasks, but I am going to work hard, keep my head down and learn from my peers. Scouting has always been a field that interested me, so I'm excited about the opportunity to join this staff and I'm thrilled about the challenge ahead."
RE: Tjey did hire an assistant OL guy  
5BowlsSoon : 1/23/2020 10:05 am : link
In comment 14790590 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14790574 Rflairr said:


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They need as much coaching as possible at this position



I think that guy from Cleveland may be the Assistant OL Coach as he had a background as a college OL Coach before getting a job in the NFL


I wonder if this guy will be doing all the analytics studying opposing game film and doing all the prep work to prepare our OL coach how to better prepare for their stunts and formations.
RE: RE: Anak  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2020 10:17 am : link
In comment 14790545 Brown_Hornet said:
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In comment 14790511 Tuckrule said:


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So it went from 3.8 sacks per game to 3.3? Should I be impressed with that stat without knowing who they faced and the schemes they saw and how many stunts and blitzes the line was exposed to? Again people are starving for positivity. I don’t dislike the signing. All I am saying is we need to tone down his accomplishments because he hasn’t been asked to mold a line. Now he will be tasked with a tough job. I do like that garrett wanted him. That tells me more than any stat or former player interview can.


Selective math?

OK, 3.8 to 3.3, in his 1st 1/2 year.
1.4 in his 1st full season.

Right?


Selective injury reporting. I recall one main starter missing all of last year. Hmmmm who could that be?
^^^  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2020 10:18 am : link
I’ll help you. The all pro center was back this season.
RE: RE: ...  
ryanmkeane : 1/23/2020 10:22 am : link
In comment 14790571 jcn56 said:
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Does he seem to be a great dude? The guy who suddenly lost his brother in Indy, who went out of his way to credit everyone else in the organization *but* DD, would beg to differ. His bouncing around would also suggest that maybe he's got a people problem.

jcn, i was referring to Colombo as seeming like a great dude, not DD
Hernandez  
BobsYourUncle : 1/23/2020 10:31 am : link
Needs to show marked improvement this year, and under pro coaching.

Will to Coach Columbo: "You mean that there is more to it than "Just get in the guy's way"??"
RE: Here's  
Anakim : 1/23/2020 10:46 am : link
In comment 14790594 YANKEE28 said:
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an idea for BBI.

Columbo played at Boston College with Chris Snee.

How about hiring Chris Snee as the Asst O line coach? One of the best, toughest, and most consistent reliable Giants during the past 20 years.


Not like he has any ties to Jacksonville anymore now that his father-in-law has been canned
RE: ^^^  
Anakim : 1/23/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14790676 Tuckrule said:
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I’ll help you. The all pro center was back this season.


I know he played all 16 games, but was he at full strength? Serious question. I mean the guy was coming off an autoimmune disorder. Did he play like his old self?
RE: Did you know that Colombo is in a metal band named  
Gettledogman : 1/23/2020 10:54 am : link
In comment 14790432 cosmicj said:
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Free Reign? Leonard Williams is also in it. Colombo is the lead singer.


Getting the band back together
If we're not getting Callahan (which we're not),  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/23/2020 11:30 am : link
this is who I wanted. Get it done.
RE: Here's  
Jay on the Island : 1/23/2020 11:59 am : link
In comment 14790594 YANKEE28 said:
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an idea for BBI.

Columbo played at Boston College with Chris Snee.

How about hiring Chris Snee as the Asst O line coach? One of the best, toughest, and most consistent reliable Giants during the past 20 years.

Rich Seubert is another solid option IMO.
RE: RE: tuck  
Fred-in-Florida : 1/23/2020 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14790529 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 14790525 Tuckrule said:


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Good post. I agree there’s definitely some hope and positivity I just can’t blindly be excited.



I hope you also check out there secondary guy and light a fire there. We could all use the passion to get us going. You did well here and make good points.


I agree about the secondary guy. Thought along the same lines. We have a very young group with loads of potential. Hopefully this guy will get them to the next steps!
The OLine isn't as bad as everyone thinks  
JohnF : 1/23/2020 1:12 pm : link
Fix the gaping hole at center, and all of a sudden you have a potentially decent line, with good coaching. The real key here is recognizing that they need to cut Halapio, and making center a FA/Draft priority.

If Columbo can convince Judge of that, he's already 50% of the way there.
I'd love it if we hired Snee and Pierce as Asst. position coaches  
Torrag : 1/23/2020 1:13 pm : link
To have that Giants winning history and yes I'll say it, culture, in the building matters.
RE: The OLine isn't as bad as everyone thinks  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/23/2020 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14790989 JohnF said:
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Fix the gaping hole at center, and all of a sudden you have a potentially decent line, with good coaching. The real key here is recognizing that they need to cut Halapio, and making center a FA/Draft priority.

If Columbo can convince Judge of that, he's already 50% of the way there.


Solder may have been the worst left tackle in the NFL last year. Center is a mess. I'm not even sure they bring the RT back.
Torrag  
YANKEE28 : 1/23/2020 1:28 pm : link
love your idea, but the little bit I researched is that both are unlikely.

Herm Edwards recently promoted Pierce to Asst Head Coach

And Dan Duggan reporting it is "doubtful" that Chris Snee will be joining his Boston College linemate, Marc Colombo as the Giants Asst O Line coach
The OLine isn't as bad as everyone thinks  
Torrag : 1/23/2020 1:32 pm : link
It is, maybe worse. Solder has been flat out bad and he knows it. I feel for him and his sons terrible illness so I'm not going to bash the guy. If my son had brain cancer I'd have one focus and one focus only...him and my family.

We had the worst starting OC situation in the NFL...bar none.

Hernandez regressed playing between two bad linemates. Now the FO and coaching staff have to get him some help on the field and get his development back on track.

Remmers is a JAG. He played to his salary which was the limiting factor based on our cap situation.

We need to significantly upgrade at least two starting positions going into next season.
yankee28  
Torrag : 1/23/2020 1:34 pm : link
Good info thx. You never know with the Jax situation. Pure speculation on my part but with TC out maybe there is some movement there.
.....  
Klaatu : 1/23/2020 1:37 pm : link


The O-Line isn't as bad as everyone thinks.
'Rich Seubert is another solid option IMO.'  
Torrag : 1/23/2020 1:40 pm : link
Another good option. Richie was a very smart player and carries that Giants championship pedigree. I have no idea if he has an interest in coaching though.
I would have preferred Callahan  
Carson53 : 1/23/2020 1:43 pm : link
but with that said, prefer Columbo to the other guy that
was also in consideration. The guy that can't last more than a year with any team it seems, didn't want him!
RE: 'Rich Seubert is another solid option IMO.'  
Carson53 : 1/23/2020 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14791056 Torrag said:
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Another good option. Richie was a very smart player and carries that Giants championship pedigree. I have no idea if he has an interest in coaching though.
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Last I heard about him, he was coaching HS football.
I'd try Solder at RT with obvious insurance at the position  
Anakim : 1/23/2020 2:17 pm : link
So a new LT, Hernandez, a new OC, Zeitler, Solder
RE: 'Rich Seubert is another solid option IMO.'  
blueblood : 1/23/2020 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14791056 Torrag said:
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Another good option. Richie was a very smart player and carries that Giants championship pedigree. I have no idea if he has an interest in coaching though.


I dont think people realize how being an NFL coach works. A lot of former player shave no interest in being a coach working 16-18 hours a day.. sleeping in the office.. going on the road half the time, being away from their families.. and in many cases for LESS money than when they were players..

Just like it takes a special kind of person to be an pro player.. It takes a special kind of person to WANT to be a coach
C-O-L-O-M-B-O  
Professor Falken : 1/23/2020 2:57 pm : link
Learn It, Know It, Live It.
RE: RE: The OLine isn't as bad as everyone thinks  
GFAN52 : 1/23/2020 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14791015 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14790989 JohnF said:


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Fix the gaping hole at center, and all of a sudden you have a potentially decent line, with good coaching. The real key here is recognizing that they need to cut Halapio, and making center a FA/Draft priority.

If Columbo can convince Judge of that, he's already 50% of the way there.



Solder may have been the worst left tackle in the NFL last year. Center is a mess. I'm not even sure they bring the RT back.


Need to come out of this draft with 2 OT’s and a C.
I’d amend that to “this offseason”,whether through the draft or  
yatqb : 1/23/2020 3:28 pm : link
in FA. I definitely agree with your viewpoint.

Draft to “develop the foundation for consistent success” as Judge mentioned.
GFAN52  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/23/2020 3:40 pm : link
You are saying we need to come out of this draft with three starters? Not going to happen.
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christian : 1/23/2020 4:01 pm : link
I can't think of a left tackle who in year 10 moved to right tackle and succeeded.

Typically when a guy with 9 years of pro ball on his body is slipping, it's not a technique issues it's because he's breaking down.

I know there are some recent individual cases of guys playing well into their mid 30s, but it could just very well be Solder at 130 games is shot.
RE: GFAN52  
Anakim : 1/23/2020 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14791185 Eric from BBI said:
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You are saying we need to come out of this draft with three starters? Not going to happen.


I'm hoping for a C in free agency a LT during the Draft (Thomas, Wills, Wirfs, Becton, etc.)

Draft pick - Hernandez - FA - Zeitler - Solder
RE: What about GATES?  
5BowlsSoon : 1/23/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14791090 Anakim said:
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So a new LT, Hernandez, a new OC, Zeitler, Solder


Gates has impressed wherever he has played. I bet he could play center.

But the guy I’m really rooting for is BIG GEORGE A-A.
'I'm hoping for a C in free agency'  
Torrag : 1/23/2020 4:24 pm : link
It's a crap crop of OC in FA this year. Someone recently proposed moving Thuney of the Pats from OG to OC but that's a tougher assignment than you'd think. OC is by far the most complex position to master on the OL. I watched all I could find on Thuney and I mean he was good but far from 'dominant'. The Pats certainly couldn't establish any kind of running attack this season and it was part of their undoing.
Gates and 'big george' haven't established squat  
Torrag : 1/23/2020 4:27 pm : link
Just stop. Neither of those guys has done enough to alter the thinking of the OL acquisitions this roster needs to improve.
RE: GFAN52  
Klaatu : 1/23/2020 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14791185 Eric from BBI said:
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You are saying we need to come out of this draft with three starters? Not going to happen.


I hope we can come out of the first two days with one rock-solid OT.

But if there was ever a draft where we need to strike gold on day three, this is it.
RE: 'I'm hoping for a C in free agency'  
Klaatu : 1/23/2020 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14791239 Torrag said:
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It's a crap crop of OC in FA this year. Someone recently proposed moving Thuney of the Pats from OG to OC but that's a tougher assignment than you'd think. OC is by far the most complex position to master on the OL. I watched all I could find on Thuney and I mean he was good but far from 'dominant'. The Pats certainly couldn't establish any kind of running attack this season and it was part of their undoing.


I would try like hell to pry Ted Karras away from New England. He's not great, but he's light-years better than Halapio or Pulley or any "conversion project." Then I would look for a good OC prospect who might slip to the end of the 3rd round or into the 4th (losing that high 3rd round pick still bugs me). Not a kid who could start right away, but someone who we could develop behind Karras.
RE: GFAN52  
GFAN52 : 1/23/2020 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14791185 Eric from BBI said:
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You are saying we need to come out of this draft with three starters? Not going to happen.


Not three drafted starters, but at at least one OT that can be inserted as a starter and two other OL that can be developed as starters.
RE: .....  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/23/2020 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14791050 Klaatu said:
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The O-Line isn't as bad as everyone thinks.


Ain't that the truth
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