My big picture take on the State of the Giants

Thanks for sharing.

In comment 14790383 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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Thanks for sharing.

Thanks. I see too much negativity at times so I was hoping to start our day on a positive note.

Good stuff is going on with leadership / coaching and it will resonate well with the players.

At tight end, another year of Engram, with Smith as backup will do and at free safety, I'm comfortable with Julian Love playing next to Peppers.

In comment 14790388 Ira said:

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At tight end, another year of Engram, with Smith as backup will do and at free safety, I'm comfortable with Julian Love playing next to Peppers.

Engram is never healthy and is more of a Hback than TE to me. Lets hope he finally puts it together under Garrett. Smith surprised me and he can block. Ellison is likely gone.

I forgot RT, probably because I think Solder slides to RT if we draft a LT in round one.

Bethea is gone for sure. I believe Love starts but we can use either a veteran backup or a draftee.

Solder will be any better as a RT?

In comment 14790396 madeinstars said:

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Solder will be any better as a RT?

Point taken. But I see it this way: Solder played hurt 1/2 of his first year and improved later in 2018. In 2019, my understanding is his young son had cancer and well that had to play on his head and heart all year. Maybe 2020 he'll be "good enough" as we draft and build up younger players?

We can't "miss" on our top pick, especially if we have options to trade down. We can use a LT especially but drafting a potential RT is useful too.

There was Pete’s Corner there were letters to the editor and it was all moderated through Eric. I think it was Big Blue Home Page then. Everything was home pages in the early days. Then interactive became the web buzz word.

In any case, I’m feeling much as you are, but after 2 coaching misses, we just have to wait and see. It could hardly get worse....

and all it took was some outside the box thinking on our new HC and assistants- teachers and developers. We have a young team that played a heck of a lot of rookies in 2019.

We have free agency & the draft ahead of us where we are going to count on each and everyone of them to join this team and contribute.

We have a young QB that appears to be dynamic as well as accurate with a magnificent running back still in his prime.

Get a coach to use him correctly. Amazes me how Ertz and Kielce are hardly ever used to block and seem to always be in the pattern, yet the Giants keep trying to use Engram as a 2 way TE. Use him to threaten defenses

How did you feel before the MacAdoo and Schurmer hirings? Did you have the same sense of positivity? Just curious more than anything else.

BTW...I’ve been around here, under various handles, Just as long. It’s fantastic how this has become a community. I’ve never met any of you, but we all celebrate the wins, and commiserate during the losses.

the hiring of Judge brings the franchise, the players, and the fans hope.

This staff is already better than the last two and they haven't played a game yet.

In comment 14790433 Steve L said:

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How did you feel before the MacAdoo and Schurmer hirings? Did you have the same sense of positivity? Just curious more than anything else. BTW...I’ve been around here, under various handles, Just as long. It’s fantastic how this has become a community. I’ve never met any of you, but we all celebrate the wins, and commiserate during the losses.

I was sort of happy with McAdoo, but it felt rushed to me. The whole philly is going to steal him thing...

Again with Shurmur - I thought Patricia was the guy, never like McDaniel. So Shurmur was a smart guy with a good OC record and while I was not excited I was satisfied.

This just feels different. After the season, I was pretty blah at the mentioned names except maybe Rhule and even he seemed pushy or over the top on what seemed like flimsy evidence.

Judge kind of shocked me - completely different demeanor. Don't know why, but he comes off as clear in his vision and how to get there. To date, the only hiring I'm baffled at is Graham - I just don't know him and was surprised that Flores let him go....that is a big ??? Why? Best I can see is Graham did not like Miami for his family, Flores knew it. All of them being Bill's guys, he let Graham come North. I have a feeling it would not have happened with another team. Still very strange to let your DC go even though there was no issue.

I have no clue as to why I think this is the right choice other than it just feels different, just feels so off the wall out of character for the Giants that it will probably work.

In one way or another, on and off, for 15 years I think? 17? Never really posted much if at all.

When McAdoo and Shurmur were hired I never felt good. I though they were at best, average hires. They never inspired confidence in me at all, especially Shurmur. I will confense I thought our defense would get better under Betcher but boy was I wrong.

Judge screams like a good hire to me, but we haven't played a game yet let alone practiced. So we'll see. He doesn't seem like a guy that's all bluster.

His staff seems professional, so I like that. Big upgrade for me all around. I'm confident our Offence will actually attack a defense, and not run Barkley up the middle 10 times in a row and only throwing on 3rd and long every time.

Maybe Engram will run a seam route?

Defense is a mystery to me, it can't get worse. We have not play makers so we'll see who our edge guys are and who our safeties are.

Anyway, I can't tell if this is just off season feel goods and wheels come back off in september or not.

However, I feel that foundationally, they may finally have gotten it right. Joe Judge has a clear vision and I get the impression he has what it takes to lead this organization. He's a young guy lacking in some of the experience you might want to see on his resume, but you would never know it watching the guy.

We will see how things play out as we get more tactical, but I like I'm seeing in terms of his ability to build a veteran staff around him. Some of these guys with more extensive resumes must have been like, who is Joe Judge, but he's done a solid job in recruiting. That doesn't happen without a guy with some presence to him who can get people to believe in him and what he's selling. Nobody wants to hitch their career to failure. This is exactly what we need. It probably isn't going to happen overnight, but for once in a long time I feel like they got it right and are back on the path to prosperity.

Would you be happy if the Giants used Engram like Dallas used Witten?
I don’t see Engram as the same type of player. Not like Kelce either. Like Ertz maybe, or like Reed at Washington, who is constantly injured too, by the way.

If you think Garrett can turn Engram into Witten, you are mistaken.

In comment 14790423 Daniel in MI said:

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There was Pete’s Corner there were letters to the editor and it was all moderated through Eric. I think it was Big Blue Home Page then. Everything was home pages in the early days. Then interactive became the web buzz word. In any case, I’m feeling much as you are, but after 2 coaching misses, we just have to wait and see. It could hardly get worse....

Cool info on the "old days" as they say. Yes, 2 misses but I feel like Judge has "leadership" qualities about him whereas McAdoo and Shurmur not so much. LOL.

In comment 14790433 Steve L said:

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How did you feel before the MacAdoo and Schurmer hirings? Did you have the same sense of positivity? Just curious more than anything else. BTW...I’ve been around here, under various handles, Just as long. It’s fantastic how this has become a community. I’ve never met any of you, but we all celebrate the wins, and commiserate during the losses.

I felt positive as a fan with both of those hires but not as much as with Judge. I think I was iffed they fired TC for McAdoo. And Shurmur had a losing pedigree upon arrival.

In comment 14790510 Ivan15 said:

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Would you be happy if the Giants used Engram like Dallas used Witten? I don’t see Engram as the same type of player. Not like Kelce either. Like Ertz maybe, or like Reed at Washington, who is constantly injured too, by the way. If you think Garrett can turn Engram into Witten, you are mistaken.

Smith is closer to Witten than Engram. LOL. A good OC figures out the best way to use his players skills. Time will tell.

I live in Cleveland area. Over the past decade I’ve seen coach after coach “win” the press conference, so pardon me for taking a more cautious view. I’m not being negative or skeptical, but I’ll reserve judgment until I see something on the field.
That aside, I’m anxious to see what the new staff can do with the existing talent, especially OL. Wouldn’t it be nice to see a transformation like we saw with ST when McGaughey replaced Quinn?

In comment 14790510 Ivan15 said:

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Would you be happy if the Giants used Engram like Dallas used Witten? I don’t see Engram as the same type of player. Not like Kelce either. Like Ertz maybe, or like Reed at Washington, who is constantly injured too, by the way. If you think Garrett can turn Engram into Witten, you are mistaken.

Reed. That's who Engram is, another Reed. Undersized, excellent receiver, mediocre blocker who gets hurt a lot because he is being asked to do thing he's not capable of.

Almost everyone agrees on key needs
Tackle, LB, ER, S, C

They disagree on the order and importance.

Waiting for someone to say I forgot CB and WR or backup QB. I expect the Giants leadership knows this as well.

is direct from the coaches mouth. "Don't tell me what he cant do, tell me what he can do." I think there are players on this team who are not complete but can certainly serve a role and be successful. it is why you see so many washed up players or under performing players go to NE and see success. Use players correctly. I think if we just do that we can improve by leaps and bounds.

Also above you list a handful of positions and I agree with you. Thats not a big ask to obtain those starters, its not a lot of players. I would add CB to that list as I think we will need a slot CB. Hopefully in year 3 we start to see the guys drafted by DG reach their potential. I really want to see Carter make the jump. He looks the part and has flashed, I think he can get there.

the fact that he's not going to run the offense or defense. He's going focus on game time decision making. That's something has been really missing, even dating back to the TC era.

In comment 14790675 Dnew15 said:

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the fact that he's not going to run the offense or defense. He's going focus on game time decision making. That's something has been really missing, even dating back to the TC era.

I'm not sure Judge is "qualified" to run the offense or defense on game day as he's never done that (to my knowledge) before. He is a decision maker, leader, evaluator type of head coach which I like.

In comment 14790730 SGMen said:

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In comment 14790675 Dnew15 said: Quote: the fact that he's not going to run the offense or defense. He's going focus on game time decision making. That's something has been really missing, even dating back to the TC era. I'm not sure Judge is "qualified" to run the offense or defense on game day as he's never done that (to my knowledge) before. He is a decision maker, leader, evaluator type of head coach which I like.

I don't think he is either.
I'm more referencing the idea that it has to be incredibly difficult to call a play and manage the game at the same time.
I think that hindered McAdoo and Shurmur during their tenures here. TC just got worse at that as he came toward the end of his coaching career.

In comment 14790789 Dnew15 said:

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In comment 14790730 SGMen said: Quote: In comment 14790675 Dnew15 said: Quote: the fact that he's not going to run the offense or defense. He's going focus on game time decision making. That's something has been really missing, even dating back to the TC era. I'm not sure Judge is "qualified" to run the offense or defense on game day as he's never done that (to my knowledge) before. He is a decision maker, leader, evaluator type of head coach which I like. I don't think he is either. I'm more referencing the idea that it has to be incredibly difficult to call a play and manage the game at the same time. I think that hindered McAdoo and Shurmur during their tenures here. TC just got worse at that as he came toward the end of his coaching career.

Interesting take and a worthy point. Delegating is important.

The team has cash. But I don't think this is the year you spend huge money on big names. I just want the Patriots UFA Thunney if he is willing to play OC for us. He has been a stud LG to date.

This has been a “weird” offseason for me because I really was paying attention to the assistants Judge was hiring. I never really did that when McAdoo and Shurmur were named HC.

I guess we all believe coaching did not help us this year so this increased my desire to find quality assistants. Thus, I have been very vocal about wanting guys who are considered very good at their trade, like Callahan and Garrett (Good enough as an OC) and then Colombo (small sample size though) and Burns, the RB coach.

Honestly, Graham and Henderson are intriguing because I don’t see “greatness or even some greatness” being shown on the resume. So, here is where I Hope Judge knows much more (And he does) and can see Beyond the writing to the potential .....which obviously I can’t. I can only see what is actual.

As for the positions we need, I do not believe guys like Solder and Baker and maybe even Ogletree are as bad as they were. I’m going to wipe my slate clean and for now believe that they will be properly coached up and will perform much higher in 2020.

Looking at our defense: I believe the following Starting players will be Good to very good for us in 2020:
1. Dexter
2. Williams
3. Tomlinson
4. Connelly
5. Simmons? Or whoever we draft at #4 (assuming defense)
6. Love
7. Peppers
8. Baker or Beal (not sure which one...I hope both)
9. Ogletree (big gulp...I know, what am I smoking?)

So, we need two more guys to step up, besides these 9.

In comment 14790897 5BowlsSoon said:

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This has been a “weird” offseason for me because I really was paying attention to the assistants Judge was hiring. I never really did that when McAdoo and Shurmur were named HC. I guess we all believe coaching did not help us this year so this increased my desire to find quality assistants. Thus, I have been very vocal about wanting guys who are considered very good at their trade, like Callahan and Garrett (Good enough as an OC) and then Colombo (small sample size though) and Burns, the RB coach. Honestly, Graham and Henderson are intriguing because I don’t see “greatness or even some greatness” being shown on the resume. So, here is where I Hope Judge knows much more (And he does) and can see Beyond the writing to the potential .....which obviously I can’t. I can only see what is actual. As for the positions we need, I do not believe guys like Solder and Baker and maybe even Ogletree are as bad as they were. I’m going to wipe my slate clean and for now believe that they will be properly coached up and will perform much higher in 2020. Looking at our defense: I believe the following Starting players will be Good to very good for us in 2020: 1. Dexter 2. Williams 3. Tomlinson 4. Connelly 5. Simmons? Or whoever we draft at #4 (assuming defense) 6. Love 7. Peppers 8. Baker or Beal (not sure which one...I hope both) 9. Ogletree (big gulp...I know, what am I smoking?) So, we need two more guys to step up, besides these 9.

Thanks. I hope Connelly heals up enough to start the season. ACL's usually take 12 months to truly heal, give or take. I would not be shocked if Ogletree was released and a UFA signed.
Beal better stay healthy this off-season.
The DL is the strength of this team. The DB's could be a strength if the youth develops. Hard to say.
But there is some base talent to build on which is a good thing.