As happy as I am that I was able to witness Eli win two Superbowls, I couldn't help but think of how bad some of the Giants teams were the second half of his career and how this is seldom mentioned by non-Giants fans. I dug in a bit on Eli's supporting cast, specifically: 1) Offensive Line, 2) Defense, and 3) Run Game.
Here were the results:
Giants PFF OL Rankings by Year:
2011- 31st
2012- 11th
2013- 28th
2014- 20th
2015- 20th
2016- 20th
2017- 26th
2018- 21st
Giants DVOA by Year:
2011- 19th
2012- 16th
2013- 6th
2014- 24th
2015- 30th
2016- 2nd
2017- 24th
2018- 24th
Giants Rushing YPC by Year:
2011- 32nd
2012- 7th
2013- 29th
2014- 28th
2015- 16th
2016- 29th
2017- 26th
2018- 24th
I do think that by the time Eli is nominated for HOF, some people around the league will take this more into account than they are now, which would help his HOF chances.
good find, this really does put things in perspective. i'm surprised the 2013 team even had a top 10 efficient D.
good find, this really does put things in perspective. i'm surprised the 2013 team even had a top 10 efficient D.
I was surprised too, but I think that was the year when the Giants played like 6 back-up QBs in a row or something
I hope so, but I do think some naysayers will cite the Giants poor records from 2012-2018 as a reason why he shouldn't be in the HOF.
The flip side of that is that Eli was the highest paid player in the NFL in many of those years. His contract was an anchor not just on free agent signings but the ability to resign home grown talent.
I put more of the blame on the poor drafting, because that is how you win in a cost controlled NFL. The salary cap issues though, we primarily driven by Manning’s contract.
The flip side of that is that Eli was the highest paid player in the NFL in many of those years. His contract was an anchor not just on free agent signings but the ability to resign home grown talent.
I put more of the blame on the poor drafting, because that is how you win in a cost controlled NFL. The salary cap issues though, we primarily driven by Manning’s contract.
I disagree on his contract. There are several teams in the league with highly paid QB’s that manage to put decent lines in front of them. The issue is Reese and Ross couldn’t figure out how to draft lineman. They failed on several early and mid round picks over that 2012 to 2017 time span. Have to hit on some of them.
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is going to remember some randomly picked out of context stats when considering Eli's HOF bid. He will get in on the intangible magic of 2007 way more than any statistic.
I hope so, but I do think some naysayers will cite the Giants poor records from 2012-2018 as a reason why he shouldn't be in the HOF.
I think naysayers would mainly state that he was never really top-5 in his position at any point during his career and that his volume stats are mostly due to longevity in a pass happy league, combined with the fact that the Giants were atrocious with him at QB ever since the last SB. And they would have valid points if they do.
He will still get into the HOF, but let's not pretend that arguing against it is some incredibly crazy thing.
In the first period, Eli was 78-57, with 5 playoff berths, 3 division titles, 8 playoff wins, 2 Super Bowl titles, 6 winning records, and only 1 losing record.
In the second period (2013-2018), Eli was 38-57, with 1 playoff berth, 0 division titles, 0 playoff wins, 1 winning record, and 5 losing records. In this period, the OL rankings by PFF were never higher than 20th, rushing YPC was never higher than 16th, and defensive rankings had a median average of 24th.
In five years the annual BBI freakout when he gets passed over will begin.
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is going to remember some randomly picked out of context stats when considering Eli's HOF bid. He will get in on the intangible magic of 2007 way more than any statistic.
I hope so, but I do think some naysayers will cite the Giants poor records from 2012-2018 as a reason why he shouldn't be in the HOF.
I think naysayers would mainly state that he was never really top-5 in his position at any point during his career and that his volume stats are mostly due to longevity in a pass happy league, combined with the fact that the Giants were atrocious with him at QB ever since the last SB. And they would have valid points if they do.
He will still get into the HOF, but let's not pretend that arguing against it is some incredibly crazy thing.
I don't think it's crazy to argue at all. I just think this is one potential counterpoint to one aspect of the argument against him, that's all.
Nor should they.
The totality of his career including two great SB runs with good but not great teams in 07 and 11 and his remarkable consecutive games started streak should be the factors that propel his candidacy.
Nobody will pay that much attention to how good or bad his surrounding teammates were. Whom among them is even an HOF candidate? Strahan is already in. Tiki wasn't part of the SB runs.
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i heard Eli road the coat tails of a great defense to 2 superbowls! /s
good find, this really does put things in perspective. i'm surprised the 2013 team even had a top 10 efficient D.
I was surprised too, but I think that was the year when the Giants played like 6 back-up QBs in a row or something
This was when Linval Joseph was playing at a high level, but Reese chose not to re-sign him and drafted Jay Bromley as his replacement.
The Giants defense gave up over a yard per carry more in 2014 without Joseph.
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In comment 14790691 madeinstars said:
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is going to remember some randomly picked out of context stats when considering Eli's HOF bid. He will get in on the intangible magic of 2007 way more than any statistic.
I hope so, but I do think some naysayers will cite the Giants poor records from 2012-2018 as a reason why he shouldn't be in the HOF.
I think naysayers would mainly state that he was never really top-5 in his position at any point during his career and that his volume stats are mostly due to longevity in a pass happy league, combined with the fact that the Giants were atrocious with him at QB ever since the last SB. And they would have valid points if they do.
He will still get into the HOF, but let's not pretend that arguing against it is some incredibly crazy thing.
I think the point is his supporting cast was atrocious so their record was atrocious...
Name me any other so called elite QB during those years that had to deal with a team with those rankings...