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Devin McCourty

BigBlueWC : 1/23/2020 10:18 am
Seems like every Giants beat writer is pushing McCourty to the Giants. Am I the only one that doesn't want to see this happen?

McCourty is a good player, but he'll be turning 33 before the start of the season. To me, he doesn't exactly fit with what we're trying to build here. Signing older FAs as we're re-building just doesn't make any sense.

If we're going to splurge on a FS, much better to do it with Jimmie Ward, Justin Simmons, Anthony Harris, etc.
Solder older  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/23/2020 10:19 am : link
sorry, that's all I have
Still annoyed we passed on Justin Simmons in the draft.  
bceagle05 : 1/23/2020 10:20 am : link
Reese/Ross went with Darian Thompson - must've looked good at the combine, so they ignored all the game tape.
They are going to sign 2-3 players with New England experience  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2020 10:25 am : link
it's just going to happen. Whether it's McCourtey, Logan Ryan, Kyle Van Noy, etc. it's just going to happen.

Even James Bettcher signed Kareem Martin, Josh Mauro, Olsen Pierre, Bethea, Buchanon, Golden, etc.

It is just common practice to bring along a few guys who have familiarity and a track record of success in the system and usually they are more likely to be older role players who the previous team doesn't mind letting go. That doesn't mean they can't end up having a positive impact.
Total pass  
Big Blue '56 : 1/23/2020 10:25 am : link
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RE: Solder older  
BigBlueWC : 1/23/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 14790682 I Love Clams Casino said:
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sorry, that's all I have


What?
Rutgers  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/23/2020 10:30 am : link
guy too no?
Agree completely with what Eric said above  
Mike from Ohio : 1/23/2020 10:30 am : link
This is a very young secondary and I would not be surprised if the coaching staff wanted a vet that they trusted to help bring them along. Wouldn’t hate the signing as long as he is not being paid (in dollars or length of deal) like he is still in his prime.
No thanks  
eric2425ny : 1/23/2020 10:31 am : link
We just did this with Bethea this past season. I think McCourty is better but we need to focus on continuing to draft well and building through youth.
RE: They are going to sign 2-3 players with New England experience  
BigBlueWC : 1/23/2020 10:32 am : link
In comment 14790700 Eric on Li said:
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it's just going to happen. Whether it's McCourtey, Logan Ryan, Kyle Van Noy, etc. it's just going to happen.

Even James Bettcher signed Kareem Martin, Josh Mauro, Olsen Pierre, Bethea, Buchanon, Golden, etc.

It is just common practice to bring along a few guys who have familiarity and a track record of success in the system and usually they are more likely to be older role players who the previous team doesn't mind letting go. That doesn't mean they can't end up having a positive impact.


Yep. Those were all low-cost signings though. McCourty will not come cheap. I wouldn't mind adding Logan Ryan and Kyle Van Noy on reasonable deals.
Depends on the price. He still had game last year.  
Blue21 : 1/23/2020 10:32 am : link
I doubt it would be long term.
RE: They are going to sign 2-3 players with New England experience  
BigBlueWC : 1/23/2020 10:33 am : link
In comment 14790700 Eric on Li said:
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it's just going to happen. Whether it's McCourtey, Logan Ryan, Kyle Van Noy, etc. it's just going to happen.

Even James Bettcher signed Kareem Martin, Josh Mauro, Olsen Pierre, Bethea, Buchanon, Golden, etc.

It is just common practice to bring along a few guys who have familiarity and a track record of success in the system and usually they are more likely to be older role players who the previous team doesn't mind letting go. That doesn't mean they can't end up having a positive impact.


I would add - how did the majority of those signings work out for the Giants? The defense has been an unmitigated disaster the past three years.
We've had some luck  
BobsYourUncle : 1/23/2020 10:35 am : link
With older DB's... Everson Walls, McQuarters, Sammy Madison..

If the price / terms are right, I'm open to the idea.
RE: No thanks  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2020 10:41 am : link
In comment 14790721 eric2425ny said:
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We just did this with Bethea this past season. I think McCourty is better but we need to focus on continuing to draft well and building through youth.


They aren't 1 or the other. You can do both. They have 10 or 11 draft picks I think, signing McCourtney (or any veteran) won't change that. There are 53 roster spots and if you believe Judge the best guys are going to play.

There are 19 guys drafted in 16/17/18/19 still on the roster (15 by this regime). Probably a few more UDFA/street FA's that will stick like Gates/Kaden Smith.

There are probably 5-10 current roster veterans (Zeitler, Tate, Solder, Michael Thomas, LW, etc) that will stick.

So even if we aggressively project 30/53 active roster players are already here plus another 10 rookies still to come, there are still another ~10 slots available to fill with FA being the likely place to find them.
RE: RE: They are going to sign 2-3 players with New England experience  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14790727 BigBlueWC said:
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In comment 14790700 Eric on Li said:


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it's just going to happen. Whether it's McCourtey, Logan Ryan, Kyle Van Noy, etc. it's just going to happen.

Even James Bettcher signed Kareem Martin, Josh Mauro, Olsen Pierre, Bethea, Buchanon, Golden, etc.

It is just common practice to bring along a few guys who have familiarity and a track record of success in the system and usually they are more likely to be older role players who the previous team doesn't mind letting go. That doesn't mean they can't end up having a positive impact.



I would add - how did the majority of those signings work out for the Giants? The defense has been an unmitigated disaster the past three years.


Nothing about James Bettcher's D the past 2 years should impact the judgement of the new staff. The defense was an unmitigated disaster and that's why he got fired.
RE: Still annoyed we passed on Justin Simmons in the draft.  
crackerjack465 : 1/23/2020 10:48 am : link
In comment 14790687 bceagle05 said:
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Reese/Ross went with Darian Thompson - must've looked good at the combine, so they ignored all the game tape.


Actually, the opposite. He ran slow at the combine, high 4.6s.

He led the nation in interceptions his last year at Boise.
McCourty is really good  
ChicagoMarty : 1/23/2020 10:55 am : link
I am open to it
Sometimes these things work out...  
JB_in_DC : 1/23/2020 10:56 am : link
if the guy ages gracefully you can get good production at a discount and without a longterm financial committment - like the Rams did with Whitworth. Without him they probably don't make the Super Bowl.

The key is knowing if the guy will age well.
All about  
Pepe LePugh : 1/23/2020 11:00 am : link
Tracing, remember? If an older player be a mentor while still being productive on the field, he can still be a part of building for the future.
Teaching  
Pepe LePugh : 1/23/2020 11:00 am : link
Damn autocorrect
I like McCourty but only on a 1 year deal  
Jay on the Island : 1/23/2020 11:02 am : link
Gettleman needs to avoid giving multi-year deals to players over 30. Kyle Van Noy makes sense at the right price and term. He would be a 2-3 year stop gap next to Connelly. Logan Ryan would be a nice pickup to start opposite Baker/Beal.
RE: Still annoyed we passed on Justin Simmons in the draft.  
Bill in UT : 1/23/2020 11:05 am : link
In comment 14790687 bceagle05 said:
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Reese/Ross went with Darian Thompson - must've looked good at the combine, so they ignored all the game tape.


I thought I heard that Thompson was playing pretty well wherever he is now.
RE: Still annoyed we passed on Justin Simmons in the draft.  
Rflairr : 1/23/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 14790687 bceagle05 said:
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Reese/Ross went with Darian Thompson - must've looked good at the combine, so they ignored all the game tape.


They would love to have Thompson right now. Playing better than anyone they have.
RE: I like McCourty but only on a 1 year deal  
Eric on Li : 1/23/2020 11:10 am : link
In comment 14790782 Jay on the Island said:
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Gettleman needs to avoid giving multi-year deals to players over 30. Kyle Van Noy makes sense at the right price and term. He would be a 2-3 year stop gap next to Connelly. Logan Ryan would be a nice pickup to start opposite Baker/Beal.


Agree all around Jay. Ryan would be the perfect slot CB/centerfielder to fit with Beal/Baker/Ballentine on the outside and Peppers/Love at safety. He has a ball hawking skill set that's currently lacking. In the past 2 years at TEN he has:

8.5 sacks
13 QB hits
26 passes defensed
4 FF
4 INT

That's a lot of big play production in 30 starts.
You get him on a modest 1 or 2 year contract  
PaulN : 1/23/2020 11:52 am : link
It is an excellent move. Maybe he can help Peppers and Love, who going to be 2 very important players.
McCourty’s been great, and one of the few guys  
mfsd : 1/23/2020 11:58 am : link
The Pats gave a monster second contract to. If memory serves we really wanted him when he was first a free agent.

I’m down with a 1-2 year deal as FS and mentor to Love, who could hopefully keep developing. I get the aversion to another vet free agent safety north of 30, but it think McCourty would be much better than Bethea. IMO
Van Noy  
MBavaro : 1/23/2020 12:24 pm : link
would interest me.
RE: Still annoyed we passed on Justin Simmons in the draft.  
90.Cal : 1/23/2020 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14790687 bceagle05 said:
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Reese/Ross went with Darian Thompson - must've looked good at the combine, so they ignored all the game tape.


Darian Thompson was sick at the combine and was absolutely dreadful... meanwhile Justin Simmons was a height, weight, speed freak of a safety and absolutely destroyed the combine... so really you couldnt have gotten it more wrong.
That would be kind of like  
Simms11 : 1/23/2020 1:05 pm : link
bringing in Bethea to play safety as a Vet presence. Can McCourty still play at 33? Seems like the wheels are starting to come off after 30.
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