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Regular Season = Eli, Playoffs = Team

Disturbed1 : 1/23/2020 2:43 pm
So the regular season record is all Eli (has nothing to do with the team) but the playoffs wins were the team. Can the media be anymore disingenuous?

That's all I have been hearing about his HOF candidacy.
Who is "the media"?  
Pete in 'Vliet : 1/23/2020 2:53 pm : link
Most sources I've seen put him as a lock for the HOF. I really only saw the criticisms you mentioned in comment sections or or radio call-ins.

I believe you, but can you give a specific name or paper/website?
Barstool Sports I know  
KDavies : 1/23/2020 2:56 pm : link
had a particularly ridiculous article on him. Won't link as to dignify it, but it stated that in letting Eli in the HOF, the size of the HOF would increase. Considering that you can fit the number of QBs who are top 10 in passing TDs and passing yards, and have won multiple Super Bowl MVPs on one hand, it was a bizarre notion.
This is why they wait 5 years  
BillT : 1/23/2020 3:00 pm : link
Let's the dust settle.
RE: Barstool Sports I know  
Pete in 'Vliet : 1/23/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14791134 KDavies said:
Quote:
had a particularly ridiculous article on him. Won't link as to dignify it, but it stated that in letting Eli in the HOF, the size of the HOF would increase. Considering that you can fit the number of QBs who are top 10 in passing TDs and passing yards, and have won multiple Super Bowl MVPs on one hand, it was a bizarre notion.


I feel like I should've been able to guess Barstool
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/23/2020 3:06 pm : link
Most of the things I've read/heard today is along the lines of, 'Yeah. Eli's going to be a HOFer, but..._______________(long list of reasons why he shouldn't be in.)

Oh well. I think he'll get in.
Eli's career is oddly shaped for making a HOF case  
BlackLight : 1/23/2020 3:11 pm : link
You don't find too many cases of QBs who have multiple Super Bowl wins, multiple Super Bowl MVPs, top ten in passing yards, TDs, 210 consecutive games played, and only a .500 winning percentage in regular season games. And that's probably an exaggeration - there probably aren't any other cases.

That's why honest people have concerns with Eli in Canton (and why disingenuous people have convinced themselves they have honest concerns).

My rebuttal is that there are just too many data points in favor of putting Eli in the HOF. He doesn't have the perfect resume, but then, almost nobody ever does.
all you need to know about Eli  
KDavies : 1/23/2020 3:19 pm : link
1. 2 time Super Bowl MVP (1 of 5 players)
2. 7th all-time in passing yards and TDs
3. 3rd longest consecutive games started from QB position
4. two of the greatest playoff runs in NFL history, including one of the greatest upsets in SB history

Sure, he had a .500 regular season record, but smart fans understand it's a team game and that W/L are not solely on the QB. Heck, it's a stat in MLB for pitchers and we have smartened up enough to still give deGrom the Cy Young when he doesn't get run support. A two-time winning GM lost his job due to his inability to draft adequate players around Eli/inability to build an OL for him
Lots of hypocrisy  
BBelle21 : 1/23/2020 3:56 pm : link
from people who aren’t even voters. Gary Myers, who does have a vote, said he will argue strongly for Eli when the time comes. Oddly, if Eli won his SBMVPs in his final years, everyone would call him a slamdunk HOFer.
The thing I think is so ridiculous is this:  
Leg of Theismann : 1/23/2020 3:59 pm : link
What quarterback who won any super bowl didn't have a great team and a great defense? Think of all the HOFers on Terry Bradshaw's and Joe Montana's defenses. How about the HOFers they were throwing to (Swann, Stallworth, Rice, Dwight Clark, etc.) How about those great Pats defenses (and genius mind in Belichick) that helped Brady win 6 titles? Even guys like Peyton and Rodgers... sure they had years where they carried mediocre teams to the playoffs, but never to a super bowl title. Both guys at least needed help on both sides of the ball make it all the way to promised land and win.

Now look at Eli's teams. ONE pro bowler on that '07 team in Osi. TWO pro bowlers on that '11 team, and one of them was Eli Manning! But for some reason when we talk about Eli's super bowls, it was his great team, his great defense, "carrying" Eli to victory?

It's fucking absurd and actually totally backward.
Pff  
Archer : 1/23/2020 4:05 pm : link
PFF and various talking heads have been dissing Eli and his accomplishments

I believe that there is an underlying anti Giants bias
The arguments do not make sense

They understate what Eli did in the playoffs and Super Bowls
The ultimate team objective is to win a Super Bowl
Eli was not a facilitator in winning he was the reason they won both of the Super Bowls
Not only did he win the Super Bowl MVP but he orchestrated the post season runs to get to the Super Bowl
Some of these analysts are the same people who will criticize Phillip Rivers for not winning in the post season


Eli made a whole lot of people look stupid in 2007  
RGhost : 1/23/2020 4:43 pm : link
and then again in 2011. They have not forgotten it.

That crew now plays a sad little game of minimization every time time Eli's all time Top 10 stats and long list of stud playoff performances is discussed.

It isn't just just the media, either.

It's still a snap on BBI to spot the guys who made hundreds of screaming posts trashing Eli between '04 - '07, only to have #10 ram every bit of it down their throats.

He's a HOF lock.
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